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		<title>By: Open Discussion &#8211; October 21, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Discussion &#8211; October 21, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Open Discussion &#8211; August 19, 2009 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Oscar picture just got changed big time.
Nikki Finke is reporting that Scorceses Shutter Island has been moved to Feburary 19th 2010.
Nikki believes this might increase the chances that a movie that came out  earlier in the year might be nominated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oscar picture just got changed big time.<br />
Nikki Finke is reporting that Scorceses Shutter Island has been moved to Feburary 19th 2010.<br />
Nikki believes this might increase the chances that a movie that came out  earlier in the year might be nominated.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy S,
I totally  agree wih you about Mall Cop .
Great movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy S,<br />
I totally  agree wih you about Mall Cop .<br />
Great movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshi</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-3/#comment-122450</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shamrose

Yeah, I watched through to the end of season 3 no problem, but was reluctant to get back in after all that business with Angels son. I finally did Season 4 and... well it wasn&#039;t much better (just plain weird), but season 5 seems to be getting back on track, less of the weird, more of the cool.</description>
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<p>Yeah, I watched through to the end of season 3 no problem, but was reluctant to get back in after all that business with Angels son. I finally did Season 4 and&#8230; well it wasn&#8217;t much better (just plain weird), but season 5 seems to be getting back on track, less of the weird, more of the cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joshi

Angel is a great show and season 5 is the best of the whole series

enjoy</description>
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<p>Angel is a great show and season 5 is the best of the whole series</p>
<p>enjoy</p>
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		<title>By: Joshi</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-2/#comment-122439</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dexter... another show I&#039;m on the fence about (and likely won&#039;t end up watching until a year or so after it&#039;s ended :p)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dexter&#8230; another show I&#8217;m on the fence about (and likely won&#8217;t end up watching until a year or so after it&#8217;s ended :p)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Won&#039;t have a day off until *gasp* this weekend... Can it be? I have a weekend off?? Hell must be freezing over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won&#8217;t have a day off until *gasp* this weekend&#8230; Can it be? I have a weekend off?? Hell must be freezing over&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 790</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-2/#comment-122367</link>
		<dc:creator>790</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t wait to long Ken, they won&#039;t have the Comic Con 5 disc dvd bonus editions forever.   
 Out the door it was $29.62... I suggest you run tomorrow and pick it up.    8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t wait to long Ken, they won&#8217;t have the Comic Con 5 disc dvd bonus editions forever.<br />
 Out the door it was $29.62&#8230; I suggest you run tomorrow and pick it up.    <img src='http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ken J</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-2/#comment-122288</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, thanks 790, Got seasons 1 and 2, should get 3, although right now I&#039;m strapped for cash...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, thanks 790, Got seasons 1 and 2, should get 3, although right now I&#8217;m strapped for cash&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 790</title>
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		<dc:creator>790</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is about to pick up Dexter Season 3 on dvd, pick it up at Target.  There&#039;s a bonus dvd that contains the 2008 Dexter Comic Con panel. Its over an hour long !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is about to pick up Dexter Season 3 on dvd, pick it up at Target.  There&#8217;s a bonus dvd that contains the 2008 Dexter Comic Con panel. Its over an hour long !!!</p>
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		<title>By: 790</title>
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		<dc:creator>790</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Star Wars Love Child,   (such taboo).  :-)

 District 9, starts off with the documentary look, but slowly the lines between documentary and normal film weave in and out. 
 Its done with such skillful editing that you don&#039;t notice it...  

 I think the Cloverfield similarity came up in the initial reviews due to the fast paced realism of the film.   The shaky cam feeling of nausea doesn&#039;t happen while watching this.  
 Your safe to see the film!!!!   :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Star Wars Love Child,   (such taboo).  <img src='http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> District 9, starts off with the documentary look, but slowly the lines between documentary and normal film weave in and out.<br />
 Its done with such skillful editing that you don&#8217;t notice it&#8230;  </p>
<p> I think the Cloverfield similarity came up in the initial reviews due to the fast paced realism of the film.   The shaky cam feeling of nausea doesn&#8217;t happen while watching this.<br />
 Your safe to see the film!!!!   <img src='http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Big Dentist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Dentist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - no shaking, bobbing, weaving, zooming or drunken focussing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; no shaking, bobbing, weaving, zooming or drunken focussing!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshi</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-2/#comment-122227</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I first got my friend into Firefly, I&#039;d only ever watched it on small Laptop screens whereas he first watched it on his huge Hi-Def TV (I&#039;m yet to see any Whedon show look good, scaled up to Hi-Def) and even then he felt the shaky-cam nature of it was a little off putting. Happily Joss dialled it back for Serenity so people didn&#039;t even really notice it in the cinema.

But I get what you mean Dentist, I think mine, and most peoples issues tend to come from the actual shaking. Giving a film or TV show a hand held feel (somewhat like a documentarian, where they&#039;re always one step behind with where the camera is meant to be pointed and where to zoom) is, I think, fine if it serves a purpose (like The Office), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s entirely required to give something a sense of realism and actual shaking as if someone&#039;s holding a camera phone is just plain annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I first got my friend into Firefly, I&#8217;d only ever watched it on small Laptop screens whereas he first watched it on his huge Hi-Def TV (I&#8217;m yet to see any Whedon show look good, scaled up to Hi-Def) and even then he felt the shaky-cam nature of it was a little off putting. Happily Joss dialled it back for Serenity so people didn&#8217;t even really notice it in the cinema.</p>
<p>But I get what you mean Dentist, I think mine, and most peoples issues tend to come from the actual shaking. Giving a film or TV show a hand held feel (somewhat like a documentarian, where they&#8217;re always one step behind with where the camera is meant to be pointed and where to zoom) is, I think, fine if it serves a purpose (like The Office), but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s entirely required to give something a sense of realism and actual shaking as if someone&#8217;s holding a camera phone is just plain annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just bobbing and weaving, but zooming in and out and going in and out of focus, that type of shooting is just so annoying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just bobbing and weaving, but zooming in and out and going in and out of focus, that type of shooting is just so annoying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Dentist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Dentist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshi, the first time I really started to notice the shakey-cam was on the series This Life in the mid-`90s.  Diorientating at first, but then the way they were using it (no full-on &quot;bobbing &amp; weaving&quot; as I recall, just focussing on odd things in the frame) began to make sense.  Not in terms of moving your head, but as in during a coversation you&#039;re not necessarily looking directly at someone the whole time.  You might be noticing details about how the other person&#039;s carrying themselves, their clothes, or even something in the background (depending on how much they&#039;re holding your attention I suppose!).

Of course it can be overused for its own sake, and can lead to a few dissatisfied actors.  When This Life was first shown and the hand-held camera was still something of a novelty in drama, Jack Davenport said of one of his scenes, &quot;There I was emoting for England, and the camera was on my bloody elbow...&quot;

I found the likes of Cloverfield and the rapid-cut closeups of Transformers worked a lot better for me on a smaller TV screen.  I was going to say the same of Blair Witch, but actually that&#039;s better not watched at all.

Luke and Leia&#039;s Love Child, Dead Set was made for E4 - offshoot of Channel 4, which shows Big Brother in the UK.  Even had the real host Davina McCall zombied-up!  Quite terrifying she was too, in fact...  Writer Charlie Brooker is mainly a TV critic (hence the subject matter) with a wonderful turn of phrase.  Lots of Romero references, although Simon Pegg had a good-natured dig at it for going with &quot;fast-moving&quot; zombies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshi, the first time I really started to notice the shakey-cam was on the series This Life in the mid-`90s.  Diorientating at first, but then the way they were using it (no full-on &#8220;bobbing &amp; weaving&#8221; as I recall, just focussing on odd things in the frame) began to make sense.  Not in terms of moving your head, but as in during a coversation you&#8217;re not necessarily looking directly at someone the whole time.  You might be noticing details about how the other person&#8217;s carrying themselves, their clothes, or even something in the background (depending on how much they&#8217;re holding your attention I suppose!).</p>
<p>Of course it can be overused for its own sake, and can lead to a few dissatisfied actors.  When This Life was first shown and the hand-held camera was still something of a novelty in drama, Jack Davenport said of one of his scenes, &#8220;There I was emoting for England, and the camera was on my bloody elbow&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I found the likes of Cloverfield and the rapid-cut closeups of Transformers worked a lot better for me on a smaller TV screen.  I was going to say the same of Blair Witch, but actually that&#8217;s better not watched at all.</p>
<p>Luke and Leia&#8217;s Love Child, Dead Set was made for E4 &#8211; offshoot of Channel 4, which shows Big Brother in the UK.  Even had the real host Davina McCall zombied-up!  Quite terrifying she was too, in fact&#8230;  Writer Charlie Brooker is mainly a TV critic (hence the subject matter) with a wonderful turn of phrase.  Lots of Romero references, although Simon Pegg had a good-natured dig at it for going with &#8220;fast-moving&#8221; zombies.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke and Leia's Love Child</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke and Leia's Love Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@790

Glad to hear that District 9 dosen&#039;t have the shakey cam throughout the whole film.  That&#039;s what was keeping me from seeing it.

Cloverfield made me want to throw a beating on someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@790</p>
<p>Glad to hear that District 9 dosen&#8217;t have the shakey cam throughout the whole film.  That&#8217;s what was keeping me from seeing it.</p>
<p>Cloverfield made me want to throw a beating on someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshi</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-2/#comment-122197</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in action scenes I feel people need to hold back a little. I think the Bourne series had a decent balance, but really, if I&#039;m just a bystander, watching a bunch of action, I&#039;m certainly not going to be bobbing and weaving. If I&#039;m the guy caught up in the action, my vision won&#039;t be all shaky, so there&#039;s little need for it really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in action scenes I feel people need to hold back a little. I think the Bourne series had a decent balance, but really, if I&#8217;m just a bystander, watching a bunch of action, I&#8217;m certainly not going to be bobbing and weaving. If I&#8217;m the guy caught up in the action, my vision won&#8217;t be all shaky, so there&#8217;s little need for it really.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic Holtreman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic Holtreman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joshi

Yeah, in regards to shakey-cam, I&#039;m not a fan, but at least in an action scene it makes a bit of sense. What drives me NUTS is on TV cop shows where it&#039;s just two people in a room talking and the camera is doing that. I don&#039;t know about you but when I&#039;m talking to someone I don&#039;t bob and weave.

Vic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joshi</p>
<p>Yeah, in regards to shakey-cam, I&#8217;m not a fan, but at least in an action scene it makes a bit of sense. What drives me NUTS is on TV cop shows where it&#8217;s just two people in a room talking and the camera is doing that. I don&#8217;t know about you but when I&#8217;m talking to someone I don&#8217;t bob and weave.</p>
<p>Vic</p>
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		<title>By: Joshi</title>
		<link>http://screenrant.com/open-discussion-august-19-2009-vic-22161/comment-page-2/#comment-122186</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@790

Yeah, it was the Miniseries that arrived at my door today, I&#039;ll be delving into it in a couple of days (honestly didn&#039;t expect it to arrive this early, I&#039;ve got the rest of Angel season 5 to go through yet... another series I got into really late).

As for the other stuff... I&#039;ll look into it as an when I get there. :p

And yeah, District 9, from the trailer and short film it seems like they have a documentary feel without the shaky-cam, which just makes much more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@790</p>
<p>Yeah, it was the Miniseries that arrived at my door today, I&#8217;ll be delving into it in a couple of days (honestly didn&#8217;t expect it to arrive this early, I&#8217;ve got the rest of Angel season 5 to go through yet&#8230; another series I got into really late).</p>
<p>As for the other stuff&#8230; I&#8217;ll look into it as an when I get there. :p</p>
<p>And yeah, District 9, from the trailer and short film it seems like they have a documentary feel without the shaky-cam, which just makes much more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was not at all enough action in the Thomas Jane Punisher. That whole middle sequence of him making that plot against that gay guy was downrigh boring and tedius to watch. The action in Warzone was way over-the-top, I wish they would just get someone to direct the film that wants to make a dark, gritty, and violent film. For example, I think the original idea for the beginning sequence, was he kills the mob boss in front of everyone, then while everyone was still in shock, he leaves, and goes to a machine-gun nest he had set up outside and waits for the mob to pour out the front door, then he just mows them all down.

So much more believable and cool than hangin from the light and spinning, that was just dumb... But we got some stupid director that sees the world as a cartoon apparently...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was not at all enough action in the Thomas Jane Punisher. That whole middle sequence of him making that plot against that gay guy was downrigh boring and tedius to watch. The action in Warzone was way over-the-top, I wish they would just get someone to direct the film that wants to make a dark, gritty, and violent film. For example, I think the original idea for the beginning sequence, was he kills the mob boss in front of everyone, then while everyone was still in shock, he leaves, and goes to a machine-gun nest he had set up outside and waits for the mob to pour out the front door, then he just mows them all down.</p>
<p>So much more believable and cool than hangin from the light and spinning, that was just dumb&#8230; But we got some stupid director that sees the world as a cartoon apparently&#8230;</p>
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