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disco dave says:

u r ALL SAD I THINK BOTH AVP MOVIES WERE TREMENDOUS ITS ALL LEADING UP TO THE ALIEN FILMS THERE IS A PLOT BEHIMD IT ALL

Quicksilver says:

i did like the first AVP. i thought it was a good movie. i don’t know what all the big fuss was about when AVP came out.

Adam H. Nadir says:

Do it, and do it X-rated with some close ups of the Predators jabbing their wrist blades right in to the Xenomorph jaws. And, the Xenomorphs stabbing their cocci boned tails right through the Predator spines and hearts. This genera has so much depth that it almost pains me to see what limited vision has been applied to it so far. The past iconic Alien series and the Predator series must be used to consult for the screen plays to stay close to depicting the true nature of both villains. And, YES, take it in to space where the element of dark space matter, cosmic hush of any sound, and colorful gaseous blooms will only make those species at home. Full scale carnage, no holding back of any weaponry, and see the battle from the Predator’s eye, since he is the superior species and the dominant force to be reckon with.

Adam H. Nadir says:

And, another thing. Sci Fi is meant to be gruesome and unrealistic, we as the audience demand it. There is hardly any room for “logic” in Sci Fi. The only restriction is that any stupidities or oddities must be avoided. Ellen Ripley can be resurrected, the Xenomoph gestation could vary depending upon warm or cold conditions, Predators can be impregnated with the vile Xeno-embryos. But, what you can’t have is an out right defiance of technological expectations. Gadgetry must be refined, appealing, mind boggling. The situations must be imaginable and carry utmost ambiance of suspense [outside of Colorado]. Limited physical features must be exposed. No matter how astute one might be in morphology and anatomy, an Alien from outside of our realms can never be fully accepted in person, unless we have encountered it already.
A few suggestions: Take the fight to the Planet where prison colony was abandoned. The DarkHorse comic has an awesome comic published already where the Predators respond to an infestation of Xenomorphs in a human colony wiping them out mostly.

790 says:

That’s the problem with the last 2 films Adam, they have just been 2 guys in costumes fighting like Godzilla and (controlled space creature).
Especally Avp-R the last 20 min.
We need some serious story here! Or I’m not interested anymore.

Show us the first conflict and give the Aliens more credit then just being bugs. I’m bored with this mindless conflict.

Screen Rant says:

“Sci Fi is meant to be gruesome and unrealistic, we as the audience demand it. There is hardly any room for “logic” in Sci Fi.”

LMAO!! Oh… dude. I haven’t chimed in here for a while but your comment made me laugh out loud. If they were still around, repeat the above to Isaac Asimov or Arthur C. Clark or any of a half dozen other classic Sci Fi authors.

I would say if your argument is accurate for any genre, it would be FANTASY, where rules truly can be thrown out the window, NOT Sci Fi.

Vic

Adam H. Nadir says:

“LMAO!! Oh… dude. I haven’t chimed in here for a while but your comment made me laugh out loud. If they were still around, repeat the above to Isaac Asimov or Arthur C. Clark or any of a half dozen other classic Sci Fi authors.
I would say if your argument is accurate for any genre, it would be FANTASY, where rules truly can be thrown out the window, NOT Sci Fi.”

Big guy,
How about I start with Mike Richardson? The founder of DarkHorse who conceptualized both of the scifi genera in discussion here. Don’t tell me that you see Sci Fi for it’s “characters depth and inter-twined plot”, character persona undefinable like the love-story in AvP-Requiem’s Alien infested Colorado town. If you pick-up any of the DarkHorse comics in the 80s, which by the way was the discussion fuel for the SciFi cinema of Aliens and Predator; one thing you learn quickly is that SciFi is a purist genera strictly based upon “fantasy” as you called it, fed constantly by the miracles of science and gadgetry. Or else what story line could you possibly develop between Vampires-Slayers, Superhero Gordon-Moth man, Alien-Predator, Batman-Predator, Hammer man-Haunted man…etc. The reason Hellboy has been a respectfull blockbuster is because the movie as a comic rendition offers non-stop action [like it's comics], parallel to Sin city diaries of Frank Miller-same logic or unlogic, action but not too much logos.
Plus, if you ever re-watch Star Wars and Han Solo odyssey, Star Wars made it big not because of Princess L. but because it was a “fantasy” creation that didn’t cling on to logic. Or else, the “War of the Clones” could have gone first before Sith Vader?

Adam H. Nadir says:

Show us the first conflict and give the Aliens more credit then just being bugs. I’m bored with this mindless conflict.
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Right on! Nostromo and Ellen Ripley history to me can never be discarded as the earliest contact between humans and Aliens. In one DarkHorse comic, teh character of “Newt” was used as a fighting force. In others of Xenomorph and Aliens orginal comics, the character of Karen De La Cruix was doing the same job of fighting off the Aliens.
But, the most intense of them all was the “War of the Xenomorphs” where there was an inter-species warfare for dominance. You put all of those collages together, and we get at least 2.15 minutes of kick-ass cinema time.
Later.

Craig says:

As I said before
I have sent this idea to John Davis, but it will probably get thrown out. You can’t have an AVP movie without humans who’s going to watch basically a slient film with no dialouge.
First off they should get Adam Baldwin back to reprise his role of Garber and he could be with the now weyland yutani corp. Maybe bring in Jake Busey to play peter keys son? still have it on earth but on a remote tropical island where they have the preds pod from AVP-R and the frozen but now thawed alien queen from AVP. with her now producing eggs. there is the usual catasrophy to allow the aliens to run a muck and a predator ship that looks like the derilic craft in alien and aliens with a spacejockey on board are transporting eggs to other hunting grounds, they scan earth for the heat and conflict they crave and see the aliens are running a muck on the island they cloak and land but the scientist notice the atmospheric disterbance and go to the ship and play a homing device on it. in the end the ship crashes on LV-426 and the last thing you see is the alien queen moving to the back of the ship and the camera pans back to reveil all the eggs and since there is a homing device on it this is how weyland yutani knows where the ship is and to bring back the life form
They have to do something to merge the 2 series together and once they do this then they would be free to go to any planet any time.

Adam H. Nadir says:

Hey Craig,

Why not introduce a new character, the historical character of karen DeLa Cruoix from the DarkHorse comics. Let’s face it, Ripley is over-stretched, but you need an ass-kicking hot female who knows how to fight like a marine [per Comic concept]. I would however, stay-away or keep the eggs or the chest bursting episodes to very limited few scenes. We have been watching those scenes since the 80s.
I always thought, the idea of Sulaco ship crash landing on the prison colony planet “Fury 161″ was a hell of a montage. I thought director David Fincher did an exceptional job in depicting that remote “ass end of space” planet. Wayland-Yutani showed up in the end only hoping to cage the specimen. They can always have Fury 161 penal colony infested by Aliens, only to attract the Predator hoard for a quick recon mission. The Predators however, have to use their camouflage regularly which according to DarkHorse comics they do when faced with unknown situations. Whereas, in Requiem we see a Predator walking right into the tunnel to face the Aliens??? not very Predator-like, they are stalkers. And, if we must have a regular human story line intervention, then let the Predators hang and skin human cadavers; without hugging and all sentimental towards Sana Lathan, please.

Screen Rant says:

Adam, you’re obviously a smart guy, so I appreciate your comments. :-)

But yes, I *do* look for good plots and character development even in sci fi movies. Otherwise who gives a damn about all the pretty special effects if the story sucks and characters are disposable (as in AVP-R)?

And I’m sorry, but I don’t put the founder of DarkHorse or their comics on the same level with iconic sci fi authors and their works.

Vic

Adam H. Nadir says:

Vic,
no arguments here and I respect your reservations about DarkHorse writers and publishers in general. So, suit yourself, but do keep an eye on “Hellboy” this summer, let’s see if it breaks all time records to include Terminator’s first week. May be then we can pick up this conversation..peace out.

790 says:

Sci-fi is not based in reality, its Fantasy ? :-O

Adam, yeah I’ve read some of the Dark Horse stuff and its pretty good. If I recall DH was the group that started the Avp storyline to begin with.

Concerning some that think the Avp series should ty into the Alien film, I have a bad feeling that it will.
If you didn’t walk out of AvP-R in disgust, it was obvious that the Pred weapon is in the hands of some Black Ops group. I can easly see this all lead to a deep space plotline that in some way takes us to LV-426.
Do we really want to go, is the question?

Adam H. Nadir says:

right on! finally a brother who can appreciate the DarkHorse selections. And, I agree LV-426 has been mined to the deepest cores. Let’s explore a new planet. I would suggest building something out of the Predator home planet, we saw a 3-sec glimpse of it in AVP-2; but, fundamentally speaking the Aliens have no shot at that planet, they be lucky if they get their queen outta there with her tail intact..peace out.

Craig says:

At the end of AVP-R the pred weapon is in the hands of Ms. Yutani, which will obviously become part of weyland-yutani, the only part of my idea that is on LV-426 is about 2minutes at the end of the movie the rest is on earth. and once they do this then they would be free to branch off to new story lines, planets and times.
Just don’t let the strause brothers do it again, and make sure who ever does it uses a bit more light, I couldn’t even read the tombstone in the grave yard it was so dark. they should bring in John Mctierran, or Nicholas Meyer, or james cameron to direct.

AO1 McLean says:

I liked the both the avp movies myself and i am a die hard alien/predator fan….i dont see the problems with these 2 movies at all….
“Concerning some that think the Avp series should ty into the Alien film, I have a bad feeling that it will.
If you didn’t walk out of AvP-R in disgust, it was obvious that the Pred weapon is in the hands of some Black Ops group. I can easly see this all lead to a deep space plotline that in some way takes us to LV-426.
Do we really want to go, is the question??

That black ops group is Weyland-Yutoni(spelling) and yes these movies tie directly into both the predator and alien franchises….weyland of course found the pyramid in the 1st avp which of course merges with the yutoni group at some point (after avp-r)which they both end up doing weapons research and contracted to the govnt….skip to the future and the weyland-yutoni group is searching for evidence of the aliens under the gise of converting hostile planet atmosphers…

My problem is, what corp was tracking the predators in predator 3?

790 says:

You make me laugh!
Are you fricken serious Mclean?

:-/

AO1 McLean says:

“And Stephen if you didn’t like Avp I’ll warn you AvP-R is really bad. =¤.”

Why is it so bad? I see a whole lot of complaining and whining in here but absolutely no justification….

What did AVP-R do that made it so bad?

AO1 McLean says:

“As I said before
I have sent this idea to John Davis, but it will probably get thrown out. You can’t have an AVP movie without humans who’s going to watch basically a slient film with no dialouge.”

Finally someone who agrees with me, I’ve been saying that forever also….i said it was going to either be all sound FX or they have to do subtitles for it, and i dont know about all of you im not going to READ an AVP movie…..

790 says:

Give me a break. :-¤, :-¤,
Read the reviews on this post before you give me your ____!

Your feedback is crap!

AO1 McLean says:

“Give me a break. :-¤, :-¤,
Read the reviews on this post before you give me your ____!

Your feedback is crap!”

And you are a POS!

If you cant come back with some type of educated rapport then dont at all, if you read above this post you see 1 thing and 1 thing only….OPINIONS…..and that is all….

AO1 McLean says:

“Give me a break. :-¤, :-¤,
Read the reviews on this post before you give me your ____!

Your feedback is crap!”

And you are a POS!

If you cant come back with some type of educated rapport then dont at all, if you read above this post you see 1 thing and 1 thing only….OPINIONS…..and that is all….

Now if you dont mind I have to go back to defending YOUR right for free speech….BYE

AO1 McLean says:

“You make me laugh!
Are you fricken serious Mclean?”

:-/

I must have stomped on the toes of a bunch of haters in here….which 1 of my post specifically upset you? and then we can talk…..

But to answer your question YES I am very much So Serious…..

790 says:

Yeah whatever!

790 says:

That’s cool Mclean, I’m falling asleep on this topic. I fear I’m done with the AvP topic.
Carry on chum.
Facehuggers 4 all!

Whatever……..

AO1 McLean says:

Anyways….I was just getting started too…

Everyone in here knows Hollywood will do what haollywood does….tray and make the most amount of money possible….now if that means butchering a franchise in the fans eyes, they would rather get more money than do a film that will only garner so much from dedicated fans….you get my drift at all? even though i do understand that avp and avp-r didnt do too well…in theatres that is…

790 says:

Of course, good luck Avp fans.

AO1 McLean says:

Trust me…..I seriously wish the James Cameron and Ridley Scott would get together and convince FOX that they should do ALIEN 5 and end the franchise the way it should be instead of dragging it on with low budget sequels…

Screen Rant says:

“Why is it so bad? I see a whole lot of complaining and whining in here but absolutely no justification….”

“What did AVP-R do that made it so bad?”

McLean, dude, I’m not a “hater,” I just call it like I see it. And come on with your “no justification” comment… I have reviews up on this site for BOTH movies which state exactly why I have the opinion I do about them.

And 790, chill dude… you’re starting to come off like a troll.

Vic

AO1 McLean says:

“”Why is it so bad? I see a whole lot of complaining and whining in here but absolutely no justification….”

“What did AVP-R do that made it so bad?”

McLean, dude, I’m not a “hater,” I just call it like I see it. And come on with your “no justification” comment… I have reviews up on this site for BOTH movies which state exactly why I have the opinion I do about them.”

I didnt mean justification by agreeing with reviews up on the site…..I meant in the post’s right here….most of the just say I think the movie is bad but no body gives a reason in their post on why they think its BAD….

Now maybe you should just name this thread the ” I hate AVP/AVP-R thread….then it will be ok….

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