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Whoa.
I have heard the same talk around that it is a comedy that misses its mark.
Great review.
I think I will go see “Taken” again.

Also, I wonder if the male nudity thing started with the small bits of comedy it was supposed to represent in “Forgetting Sarah Marshall.”

Oscar! says:

woah, im sorry but that was a horrible review. And the last part was just stupid, who the hell told you that women like watching other women naked? Im not saying I like seeing wiener on the big screen but you cant say its ok to have naked women but its wrong to have naked men. His bi-polar was addressed, it came when he decided to beat the crap out of all the cops. And the F U part was funny as hell!!!

SIN187UM says:

I will be watching this film tomorrow becuz I like Seth Rogen.

Vic I 100% percent agree that this penis phase of Hollywood is a bit annoying, especially becuz the MPAA wants to put X ratings on film that dont show a vagina with a baby coming out (Knocked Up and Doctor T and The women).

@Oscar

I think point was that if women aren’t forced to have to see the inside of the vagina in a scene as Vic described it, why should men be forced to a penis dangling on screen?

Richard says:

I totally agree with this review, and I still found it funny and worth the money, which is weird, I liked it but didn’t at the same time, hmm I think I’m bipolar now.

Walwus says:

@Oscar
I know you disagree with my point of view but I chuckled when you said “wiener”. There are certain words in the English vernacular that are just funny no matter how they are used and wiener is one of them.

My point with the naked women is they react differently than men do when seeing other men naked. Women don’t typically turn away in disgust when another woman is naked on screen. Men on the other hand do.

I didn’t think they were addressing his bi-polar disorder with the mall beat down scene. That whole part didn’t make sense to me or my friends. Why would they call 9 or 10 cops to remove one mall cop from a mall? He wasn’t on a rampage or anything, so I didn’t get it.

Oh well, to each his own. Glad you enjoyed it though.

790 says:

This is one film I have 0 interest in but real good review Walwus,,, you have the shinning,,, :-)
In a good way !!!

On a seperate note, I had no problem with Dr M, in Watchmen. If that bothers some people that’s something they need to think deep about because its a personal insecurity complex.

Then I did look away at that scene in Harold & Kumar 2, but that’s because it was just gross!

Liz says:

I was looking forward to this, kinda, so I’m sad to hear that it falls short. On the other hand, I have to agree with Oscar that Walwus’ passionate aversion towards male nudity isn’t relevant to the quality of the film. It’s ridiculous to assert that female nudity is somehow “okay” and male nudity is somehow “not okay,” or that men “typically” turn away in disgust from male nudity. This is simply not true, even if you discount the significant number of men who identify as gay or bisexual, or who just engage in these behaviors.

As a woman, I appreciate nudity from both sexes in movies because it represents a piece of reality and makes the film more authentic. Most people walk around naked at least some of the time, and there’s no director choosing to keep the camera focused above the neck.

Personally I’m in favor of the trend towards full frontal male nudity, because it’s beginning to equalize the massive amount of female nudity in films. Plus it’s just plain fun to see people naked.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful review, but please do rethink the whole “oh noes, pen0rs!” point of view. It’s a little primitive.

Walwus says:

@Liz
The naked man junk was not what made this movie below par for me but more of a side note as to the trend that Hollywood seems to be setting. A naked woman has always been more acceptable by the movie going masses simply because the women being shown naked are always, and there are very few exceptions to this, very beautiful and appealing to the eye. The men on the other hand, not so much. Male nudity in mainstream films is almost exclusively used for comedic effect, where as female nudity is for sexual reasons. As far as equality goes between men and women, you are correct. You will have a hard time finding some of Hollywood’s most sought leading men doing full frontal nudity, Brad Pitt, Hugh Jackman, Johnny Depp, they know they don’t need to. You might catch a bare butt from them but will never see “willie”. Women on the other hand are almost expected to do at least one bare butt scene and bare breast scene in their movie career to be considered normal. Some of the more liberal ladies will even agree to a full frontal and even though they are told it’s to be done with respect do they honestly believe that?
I have no problems with male nudity, I also have no problems with goats having sex, but that doesn’t mean I want to watch either of them on the big screen. :)

Hunter says:

I completely disagree with the frontal nudity, actually. Trust me when I say I’m not gay or attracted to men at all, but I think you all have serious issues if you have trouble seeing a penis on screen. Oh, tons of boobs are okay, right? The more the merrier? Throw in a couple extremely brief phallic scenes and suddenly everyone’s up in arms.

Grow up guys. I don’t PREFER to see dick, but I’m not gonna cry if I do see it. I actually enjoy that people are finally getting comfortable putting this stuff on screen.

790 says:

“Watchmen” is the exception to the full frontal rule Walwus,,,

As far as I can tell he was only that way in front of his colleagues… To dwell on that is pretty immature…

Walwus says:

Point taken 790. But did they have to make it digitally “Sway” lol.

790 says:

Gravity was the only force that seemed to effect Dr. Manhattan…

Have you ever seen “Bad Lieutenant” Walwus ???

Walwus says:

*Snort* at gravity! I’ve never heard of it but I’ll check it out on Netflix if it’s available. You’re talking to the guy that purposely saw Bloodrayne in the theater even though I knew Uwe Bolle directed it. It’s like putting my hand on a red hot stove as a child. I know it’s gonna burn but I have to do it anyway. I’ll pretty much give anything a chance.

790 says:

Ahhh Bloodrayne I have the 2 disc movie/video game dvd set.
I picked it up used in mint condition for $2.99,,,,

Look out !!!

Sounds like it’s as much fun as slamming your penis in a car door.

Mr.Movies says:

Not seeeing this.I would see Taken but its not in my theater anymore!:(

Gary says:

Walwus,
Thanks for verifying my instincts on this.
I will DEFINITELY skip it now!

jay says:

I took my girlfriend to see this movie last night and was very disappointed. At least 20% of the audience left before the movie ended. At no time during the movie you define what the actual plot is and there are too many unrelated and underdeveloped characters. The full male nudity was not necessary and even if it did serve to get a few laughs (which was desperately needed at that point in time,) there was no need for it to run on as long as it did. I have really enjoyed Rogens work in the past, however this one falls far short of funny. Save your money for something else.

Your review is how many people will feel. First off the film did hold my attention throughout which is a plus but its not really a comedy. Rogen’s character is a really sick and disturbed person and its hard to feel comfortable watching him as the film goes along. This is like Cable Guy ( a film I like) times 10. On one level I liked it and on another I didn’t. It a very weird mix. The mainstream Sat night crowd will not like this film and it will do a very quick fade from theaters. As you can tell from many of the movie sites, there reviews are very positive because they are drinking the Seth Rogen kool-aid. What else is new. So for me a mixed bag. Its certainly different. It’s an interesting character study dancing on a comedic line but the comedy doesn’t really work. Although Rogen holds the screen and keeps you interested. I also think many sites are drinking the Anna Faris kool-aid. She does the same over the top act in every film she is in. I don’t really get her appeal to some. 5.75 out of 10. PS- the 10 minute full frontal male nude scene at the end is unlike anything Ive ever seen before. Its somewhat funny but will stun many moviegoers.

chuck

Sorry, I’m with Walwus on this one. I don’t go to movies to be learn how to deal with penis aversion issues – I go to be entertained. It DOES seem like Hollywood is trying to “educate” us poor, neanderthal hetero guys who have no desire to see that on screen.

I don’t know if it’s primal or what, but guys have always been more uncomfortable with seeing other guys naked than women are seeing other women naked. Whatever the reason, not wanting to see that in a movie doesn’t make us backward, repressed or whatever other smug, condescending terms may be lobbed at us “regular” guys.

Vic

SIN187UM says:

@ Vic

Again I still agree with you with this forcing of penis upon us.

@ Liz

Sorry but I have seen some women’s bits that are very comedic looking.

As for the film it is a hit and miss. I guess i can identify with it more because I was a former security guard (minus the bi polar, minus the mall). At one point in time every one who is or has been a security guard definitely wants to beat the hell out of the mall/neighborhood kids for the lack of respect and the challenging, hell just everyday showing disrespect because they know u can’t really do much is enough to make them fantasize at least once. I think the film would have been better without the bi-polar disorder bit because I have known/know security guards with that extreme way of thinking just because they take their job too seriously. Yes Anna Faris’s part was somewhat minimal. I’m scared/interested at what the unrated dvd might hold, but more scared. I say it’s worth the watch if u like Seth Rogen.

TieDye76 says:

Main character was unsympathetic. Couldn’t get past the numerous, obvious plot holes. Tedious. Lack of direction. Big disappointment.

Ken J says:

I love the insecurity complex explanation to everything. So basically under that rule, everyone with a big penis will love to watch movies full of male penis. NOBODY with a big penis will buy a sports car or a big truck.

Yep, all of those must be true for that rule to be correct. So you tell me.

You can tell those concepts come from female psychologists because they conveniently exclude women from being overly simplified since women don’t have penises…

foclanded says:

This movie was the most culturally and morally bankrupt piece of &%$# I have ever wasted my money on. I am incredibly sorry that I supported this movie and wasted an hour of my life sitting through half of it. Comedies generally can get away with some controversial material if they’re funny. But watching someone in a position of authority beat up minors, take pictures of women changing, and shoot up drugs while working is not funny. I’m sorry. If this movie is a “fresh face for Hollywood” then &%$# Hollywood.

charles darwin says:

People who can’t handle full frontal nudity, especially concerning people who don’t look that bad, are saying far more about themselves than they are about movie-makers.

Females have been gratuitously nude, often for no apparent reason in some scenes, in movies for decades, and in movies all the way DOWN to pg-13. And as far as the “blue schlong” of Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen, get a life. This guy was human, and basically metamorphosed into a poor man’s GOD. He didn’t NEED clothes anymore, get it???? The guy can traverse galaxies, and some people think he should be wearing a loincloth. That’s not only stupid thinking, it’s pathetic. Go watch some more PIXAR movies, and I hear Disney films is hiring. Let the adult films, to the adults.

SK47 says:

Walwus, would you say that this film is just a bunch of skits thrown together instead of actually having an actual plot? If so I really do hate that.
Paul Rudd’s lastest, I Love You Man, and Role Models before it, had the ‘by-the-numbers’ plotline of usual comedies, but it actually had a plot and a story than watching ’skits’ thrown in together for 90 minute movie.
If I wanted that, I’d watch a rerun of MadTV.

@charles darwin

Then why did Dr. Manhattan wear a covering in some parts of the film?

SIN187UM says:

@TieDye76

He was unsympathetic because he was bi polar mostly, and security officers are trained to be unbiased and unsympathetic to most situations. They have have to follow the rules and regs which aren’t based on feelings of other people, that’s not to say that common sense shouldn’t be used. Not saying it was the greatest role that Rogen has done, or his best comedy, but I think the character was played as how it should of been.

@foclanded
The reason it was funny (or supposed to be funny), was that it went against everything the character stood for as far as his Job of Observing and Reporting was concerned, plus the fact that the other guy was offering to help him cope and relax . Seriously though some of those little minors need a good beat down for some of the things they do to people, and realistically there are people who shoot up and smoke at their jobs so it’s not that far fetched. Not saying you are wrong on any account just trying to shed some light.

Sorry but I died laughing when he shot that guy at the end.

Ken J says:

Charles Darwin is right. Maturity in movies is about showing nudity. Not about a deep and rich story or acting that shows great emotiona and complexity. Nope, none of that crap, it’s all about seeing a guy’s schlong, that’s what makes a movie a movie for adults. Otherwise it’s an immature PIXAR movie.

:-D

MAKsys says:

@Ken J – nicely done. ;)

Anytime nudity distracts from a movie, it was probably a bad move – and more times than not, male frontal nudity is an unwelcome distraction.

I really enjoyed Watchmen. But seeing Dr. Manhattan’s manhood [i]added[/i] nothing (good/useful) to the story (his detachment to humanity was expressed in several ways). It hurts the movie every time someone makes mention of it, instead of something like the outstanding performance by Jackie Earl Haley.

sammon1013 says:

Actaully I thought the idea of a nude Manhattan added to how his detatchment from humanity left him without the need for clothing or other human trappings.

Walwus says:

@Darwin

Seriously? So what you are saying is that you would rather see the Hulk jumping all over the place with his big green machine pounding tanks into the ground, because that is the only way you would consider it to be a ground breaking cinematic achievement?
Side note – I wonder how many people would still watch movies if they divided up the nudity warning to be gender specific? Rated R for : Graphic violence, language, and pervasive MALE nudity through out, No female nudity at all.

I bet you see a drop in attendance when that starts happening for any film. Also, we are not talking about the sculpture of “David” or a painting of Adam; what these particular film makers are doing is for purely juvenile reasons and you will not convince me otherwise.

@Darwin
How about if for no apparent reason they start adding in male homosexuality just to keep it real? How would your favorite comedy appear to you then? Would you still keep your eyes on the screen the whole time while thinking to yourself “This is awesome. I’m very mature for making my self watch this. I feel like grown up now!” No, I don’t think you would.

(Btw, the Hulk thing I was talking about wouldn’t have fit in the movie at all but might have been quite humorous to watch on the DVD)

greenknight333 says:

I’ll go see Hannah Montana instead…

People forget that the female equivalent of male full frontal is not female full frontal, as in the latter you see nothing but hair, but rather the kind of crotch shot you see in girlie mags, and we dont see many of those in mainstream movies either. This is probably also the reason why females handle nudity better, there’s simply nothing to see but with men it’s all swinging in the breeze so to speak.

Tiny says:

I saw this movie last night, and i have to say i enjoyed it very much. I Went in to the movie expecting a mall security guard version of pineapple express, instead is saw something different. As i watched this movie i felt a Fight Club vibe ( quite possibly because the end climatic scene in both films had the same song) But while the movie was very funny, I saw a lot more in it. Strangely enough i left with a “Feel Good” type of feeling. Then i realized it because a lot of people missed the point that he is Bi-Polar. Call me sentimental but i just though it was more then a penis joke ‘movie. I don’t agree with the comment that Rogan didn’t know how to play the character, its that he was play somebody who is Bi-Polar( if you check out http://www.bipolar.com/what_is_bipolar/what_is_bipolar.html i think you would have a better understanding of the character. I also think the scene where he beat all those cops asses with the flash light kicked ass. That’s my take of the film, i would see it again and i will actually buy it when it comes out, its that worthy to me.

shelby1kenobi says:

This was one of the worst movies i saw in a theater in a while, i love seth rogen too, but even that couldn’t save it for me. he played such an unlikeable f*#@$ng wierdo, i couldn’t stand him, by the time he’s beating up all the cops in that scene, i was actually yelling out loud in the theater, ” what is the point of this movie!”,lol , terrible

Tim1974 says:

Vic, I agree with you completely. It is long past the time to start seeing as much female frontal nudity as male frontal nudity. For some reason, females believe that since there are many films that show breasts that showing male genitals is equal. However, showing breasts IS NOT equal to showing the genitals. There have been an abundance of films showing just male frontal nudity and it has become disturbing. Have many young males become non caring and so submissive that they are willing to see male exposure film after film without demanding an equal amount of female exposure ???? How pathetic !!!! It is time for the heterosexual males to to take a stand and insist on equality or stay away from this type of injustice.

Smiley85 says:

ok seriously in movies we dont see women’s vaginas but we see guy penis. im not saying guys want to see vagina but that would be considered equal. i dont think a few boobs is the same as seeing a guys penis. girls flant their boobs as a guy could show off his pecks or abs that is equal, and a butt for a butt is equal. i just dont really want to go see a movie and sit there with my girlfriend looking a guys penis.

Viktor says:

I have been seeing boobs from a long time ago on movies, from almost every angle or industry, and seldom, you got a sight of a not too much overexposed vagina or surroundings.
What was really unusual was male full frontal nudity. Only the more ‘artsy’ or pretentious films dared to show some.
I guess some similar thing happened with graphical or gratuitious child violence:
Some years ago, a real rarity on film, but nowaday a tool to ’shock’ audiences. Give them something to look away or talk about at the end of film.

Paul Young says:

@jamie – Soooo…your reasoning for seeing a naked guy on-screen is that you are tired of seeing naked girls on-screen and you’re reasoning why “most younger girls are bi” (btw what kind of research did you do to verify THAT information?)is because of all the girl nudity that makes it onto screen?

Let me tell you my problem…this movie, as are most other movies of this genre, are geared and marketed towards the 18-35 MALE audience! Now unless something has changed in the past, oh say, forever! then 90+% of 18-35 males do not want to see another dude’s junk. Porno can be excluded because there is hot girl or two to draw the focus away.

Now, if you are thrilled to see some fat ugly dude’s peter flop dangling about then by all means brother, enjoy the hell out of it. As for me, no thanks.

Jamie says:

ok paul its not about the guys looks its about the fact there is so much girl nudity and no guy nudity. girls have to see other girls naked all the time but guys can’t see alittle scene of another guy naked. And yes i did alot of research and talked to bi sexuals about it.And the nudity in movies have gone way to far they take a bad movie like this put a bunch of naked people in it and guys are atomaticly watching it. then put a naked guy in it and the movies is atomaticly bad. put a bunch of naked girls in it its atomaticly good. no matter that the story line sucks. its not hard to gear a movie towards 18 to 35yr old males. just put a bunch of naked girls in it some stupid lines and call it a movie but put some fat naked guy in it to be funny like that sahra marshel movie and its how dare they. so paul you can’t see a guys penis in a movie(affraid your going to turn gay)

Paul Young says:

@jamie – you nailed it bud! I don’t find it appealing to look at a guy’s “rooster” because I myself am afraid of turning gay. You got me cornered on being homophobic.

I also do not like watching movies with people eating vegetables because I am afraid of becoming a Vegetarian, same with people in airplanes and Aerophobia. I passed on all 3 Spider man films just in case I got Arachnophobia.

Seriously dude, I’ve never been in a theater when a guy’s “Robin Hood” has popped out of Sherwood Forest and they go “Oh Shat! That was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen!” But maybe that is what you find funny.

Oscar! says:

Lol your an idiot Paul

Ken J says:

Wow, I think I jumped into this one at a very bad time… *jumps back out* lol :-D

Paul Young says:

@Oscar – Heh…yeah my wife tells me that all the time. :)

Oscar! says:

Lololololol lucky, my wife hits me :(

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