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Gary says:

ang lees The Hulk has in many ciurcles been considered a flop.
But The Hulk Made 9 million more(62million) in 3 days then Terminator Salvation did in 5 days.

NHOZ :) says:

A Director can flex some muscle and prevent scenes from being cut.

I hate when they entice people with trailers and movie clips that have scenes that never make it in the final cut. I believe that Studios do this to increase DVD sales by included deleted scenes as an added feature.

I’m not saying that it is all McG’s fault, he bares some of the responsibility. Others dropped the ball as well.

Some examples of story foibles or gaffes include:

Having Skynet understand the importance of Kyle Reese and then having him captured, this is a terrible oversite for the story. It would have made more sense if Kyle was captured but Skynet wasn’t aware of his critical role as Connor’s father and in the resistance. Otherwise why would it be necessary for Skynet to try to kill Sarah Connor, just kill Kyle and be done with it.

Why are John and his wife having a baby in a precarious time for humanity and not explain the significance of it? They are central characters in the story. This movie had very little character development.

The Marcus Unit seemed totally out of place in the timeline of the Terminator Universe and felt forced into the story. He would have been better served in a sequel.

A scene is cut where John Connor warns the officers of the Resistance about the T-800 series going online. That scene explained the significance of him risking the exposer of the leadership by jumping from a helicopter to the submarine in the middle of the ocean.

They also tested a mobile signal jaming technology that is capable of bringing down a terminator air transport but then is never used again in the movie especially when John goes to Skynet.

The motorcycle terminators are able to make nanosecond calculations to avoid oncoming flying obsticles (i.e. junk cars) but is not able to detect a stationary cable that John sets up in order to highjack it.

In the end, I only hope that if McG is planning on making Terminator 5, that he and other important people will listen to fans and movie goers who have expressed disappointment and give extra care to the story and not just make a pretty movie.

It was pretty!

790 says:

There’s a major plot problem or bs moment every 5 minutes in this film,,,

Can’t divert the blame from Mcg on this. It was a group f up,,,

Matt Keith says:

“The motorcycle terminators are able to make nanosecond calculations to avoid oncoming flying obsticles (i.e. junk cars) but is not able to detect a stationary cable that John sets up in order to highjack it.”

LOL, I wondered that same thing when I saw the film.

790 says:

The mototerminators were a joke!!!

Watch the movie again, you’ll see that there’s two of them behind the tow truck Marcus and Reese are in, and they don’t open fire until they get in front ???

Wtf??? Must be a riceburner,,, lol

A closeline trick shouldn’t be any prob for a MT to shoot before it hits….
Ahh,,,,,
Like I said there’s a bs moment in almost every scene.

Matt Keith says:

I found the scene where Connor hotwires the Mototerminator to be a tab bit cheesy.

Matt Keith says:

Man, after discussing the film a bit I think I may have to lower my rating to a 7 to a 5 out of 10

Matt Keith says:

I meant from a 7 to a 5

790 says:

LOL, Matt that was the apex of cheese?

The entire film was cheesy in a stinky way,,,, :-)

Robert Palmar says:

@buchowski

I was not talking profit. I was talking gross.
The film would have to gross over 500 million
cover costs and then begin to earn a profit after.

If it were to gross only 300 million in theaters as you say,
it would have to have disc sales, gross not profits, upwards
of another 400 million just to break even with profits
running generally 50 percent of sales from discs.

I do not see this film being the DVD/ Blu-ray success story
necessary to achieve such vaulted numbers to make money.

NHOZ :) says:

visually the movie looked good most of the time.

The scene where Connor highjacks the moto-terminator looked like it came out of a video game.

What’s up with the cat eyes on the Harvister? It looks much more intimidating without them.

I liked the Arnold cameo and most action sequences.

Continuity was not maintained in the movie as well. If a T-8oo and T-600 is able to bend and crush steel or other metals, what do you think will happen to a human ribcage (i.e. John Connor) or throat (i.e. Kyle Reese).

NHOZ :) says:

http://www.collider.com/?p=860
This is a link to an interview with McG about Terminator Salvation.
Check it out.

790 says:

Not nuch there NHOZ:),,,,, ;-)

Gertrude Lysenko says:

T1 Budget: $5.6 Million
T4 Budget: $200 Million

T1 Plot: Actually has one. Unfolds organically throughout the film.
T4 Plot: Disjointed, mindless spasms of pseudo-plot bits amounting to nothing.

T1 Drama:
A taut line of tension from beginning to end in one of the most extended chase stories ever filmed. Genuine character development for Sarah Connor, whose fate draws you in.
T4 Drama:
A bunch of boring CGI set-pieces, and empty characters that no one cares about. Narrative tension completely absent.

T1 Dialog: Witty and inventive.
T4 Dialog: Laughably stupid.

T1 Box office: Massive.
T4 Box office: Disappointing, possibly (hopefully) will lose money.

One other advantage T1 enjoys over every other Terminator film: the absence of John Connor. Every iteration of John Connor has been a major weakness – T2 (annoying tween geek), T3 (self-pitying post-Nirvana loser), TSCC (whiny emo-boy) and finally T4 (dyspeptic bozo). The series never solved the paradox that the guy who is supposed to save the world is a hapless twit who must constantly be bailed out by his mom, his girlfriend, or his terminator-ish buddy.

The only hope for T5 is to do it as a musical comedy.

NHOZ :) says:

Skynet was harvisting human flesh to incorporate onto the frame of the T-800 and was finally mass producing them for the first time and yet, here is Marcus, who is supposed to be advanced in that he is half-human/half-machine (making him harder to detect therefore being Skynet’s ultimate infiltrator)and able to regrow his skin back within hours.

Can anyone see how out of place that is? If Skynet is so advanced then why even have the T-800’s, just make a lot of Marcus units.

790 says:

@NHOZ :)

Lol, the film has major problems,,,

We’ve pretty much covered what your talking about,,,,
:-)

NHOZ :) says:

I’m sure every aspect of the film has been discussed, debated, and ranted over. I just needed to get it off my chest.

I don’t know the behind the scenes but my instincts tell me to put more blame on Fox than on McG. They’ve been known to screw with a director’s vision before (Bablyon A.D., anyone?).

Vic

John "Kahless" Taylor says:

I saw T4 this weekend and I did like it; better than T3 (not saying much) but not as good as T1 nor T2 (just like everyone else has said). I enjoyed the action and I thought the effects were pretty good. My problems were
1) How can a terminator motorcycle be able to detect and evade debris but not be able to evade a stable cable?
2) Marcus Wright was the perfect infiltration unit? Why build a less perfect one then?
3) The Wright fight with the T-800 showed that the T-800 detects vulnerabilities. Why didn’t it use that software with Connor or Reese?
4) Moon Bloodgood’s character ejected from the plane but the Hunter Killer let her go?
5) Skynet had been looking for Reese yet just held him in a room; why?

Many have wondered why Reese wasn’t killed if Skynet knew he was Connor’s father; I didn’t get that from the movie. I always thought that Reese had been doing a good job as a resistence fighter and that’s why Skynet was looking for him. Maybe I missed something?

Ken J says:

I forgot to mention that mototerminator scene in the spoilers discussion, that entire hijacking the mototerminator scene was pretty stupid. Anyone else notice that the music stopped the second the bike hit the rope? What, was the music playing on the bike’s radio? It’s not like you see John turning it off or you see the bike hitting the radio, it just magically stops when the bike hits the rope… And the bike didn’t even resist while Connor walks over and starts messing with it… I don’t know, that scene was just not good, lol.

kofi outlaw says:

How about my fav: John Connor jumps out of a moving plane into a violent ocean during a storm: one jump cut later he’s magically on the submarine of the resistance leaders. Right.

Speaking of the sub: don’t we have tech in this day an age to detect subs?

The plot holes with this film just go on and on and on…

And blame Fox and the Script writers if you want, but a director is the one who is supposed to nip that kind of B.S. in the bud. Quick fast.

hud says:

john taylor
the t-800 only detected vulnerabilitys on marcus b/c he was had to kill. it wouldnt need to detect any on kyle or conner b/c there whole body is a vulnerability.

I felt this movie was better then T1 and T2. i thought they were both very good but not great.
Also i think 400 million would break even. And T3 made 433 million whick is what i expect this movie to make. 430 million and great dvd sales a fith WILL definatly be made.
Bale did good worthington did good the guy who player reese did good.The effects were good. And i enjoyed the story. I dont mind the plot holes, use your imagination.
ratings
T1 4.25/5
T2 4.25/5
T3 3.25/5
T4 4.5/5
can not wait for sequel

hud says:

@kofi
Maybe they had the sub from red october

NHOZ :) says:

@John “Kahless” Taylor

About Skynet being aware of Kyle being John’s father:

Even if Skynet did not know about him before Marcus was captured by the Resistance, It became aware of him after John said to Marcus”…you killed my father, Kyle Reese.”

Remember when Marcus returned to Skynet and he connected to Skynet and there was a transfer of information. Later, Skynet showed Marcus scenes where John was speaking with him.
Skynet had Kyle in a cell and could have dispatched him then and there.

Believe me, if a T-600 grabs a human by the throat and squeezes, it’s all over.

Ken J says:

@NHOZ, except that conversation happens AFTER they found out that Kyle Reese is number 1 on Skynet’s list of people to kill…

NHOZ :) says:

Even if Skynet did not know about him*(being John’s father) before Marcus was captured by the Resistance, It became aware of him*(being John’s father) after John said to Marcus”…you killed my father, Kyle Reese.”

Skynet obviously knew about Kyle before Marcus meet Connor because Skynet identified him will he was driving a vehicle for the first time.

NHOZ :) says:

@Ken J

exactly

Ken J says:

I don’t get it, are you defending the movie on that point or agreeing with us that it didn’t make sense that Skynet knew Kyle Reese was important??

NHOZ :) says:

read my other posts.

790 says:

@NHOZ. Besides the overall physical bs bad writing/bad character development/poor story elements and Terminator rip off cliches, Kyle’s identification and pre 2029 importance is pretty much the biggest plot hole of the film. ;-)

Skynet reverts into a PC on that one,,,

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