Well here we go again. I’m fully prepared for a debate on this – but it looks like once again we’re going to be treated to what could be a really cool uber-action flick punctuated by moments of annoying stupidity. I was willing to give Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen a chance… I really was. But I see that some of the more moronic aspects of the first film have not been left behind, but have instead latched a ride on Transformers 2 as well.
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Before I go on, check out the brand spanking new Transformers 2 trailer yourself:
“What you are about to see is Top Secret. Don’t tell my mother.”
“I feel smarter already. Can you smell it?”
Just shoot me.
So we have John Turturro back as the moronic FBI agent, along with the vacuous parents of Shia LeBeouf’s character. Ugh.
I don’t have a problem with Megan Fox in the movie, and I certainly won’t complain about that cheesecake shot in the trailer – although if you’re one of those people making excuses for the retarded humor because “it’s for kids,” juxtapose that against what looks like a shot from a Maxim photo shoot. If you still defend that, it strikes me as disingenuous.
If I could somehow manage to block the dumb crap from my brain, the trailer actually looks pretty intense and awesome. I loved the locations and seeing those Transformers coming up from the depths of the ocean looked pretty intimidating and cool.
The word is that this one will be darker and more intense – that will make the “LOLs” stand out even in more stark contrast than the first. All I can hope is that maybe they decide to get all that out of the way early on and don’t interrupt tense battle and action scenes with a first grader’s one liners.
On the bright side it looks like Michael Bay may have fixed another annoyance from the first film: Unintelligible action scenes. From what is shown above it looks like the camera may actually have been pulled back a bit for a wider angle on the robot battles – it would be nice to actually be able to make out what’s going on during these fight sequences.
You can find HD versions of the trailer over at Yahoo! Movies.
OK. I’m ready. Bring it.
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen opens on June 24th.
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182 Comments
@swurl
your absolutely right…my comments are or have been withholding everybody else from they’re computers and letting them comment on this thread as well. So lets forget everything i said up there and imagine i said this…
That trailer was awesome… but i hope to not see more trailers because i wouldn’t want them to give out to much… lately in trailers you see the ending and it sucks to later find out that you saw the ending in the trailer. I so want to know how that find ends in the woods between optimus and whoever else was there and devastator did dissapoint me a little for the fact that i thought he would be upright… if that makes any sense. Kinda like voltron or something like that but still can’t wait to see what he can do besides suck people.
@jago
I actually stopped watching any more Star Trek clips about a week ago. I’ve seen enough and I’d like to save some things for the movie viewing.
Vic
@ Charles Darwin
Actually, the people defending the humor on these threads brought up great, logical explanations to “back up” the humor. There have been numerous replies that explained it step by step. But it won’t do you any good since you already hate the humor. It’s all good just don’t say that there’s not way to explain why it’s in there or explain the jokes.
@ Jago
Right on! I hate having these arguments but every transformer thread Ken J is posting insulting posts obviously directed towards me. Some times I let it go, but some times got to set the record straight.
@ Ken J
Jago summed you up pretty well. Why bother? Fine, let your opinion be heard, and you are doing that, but you are also throwing insults on top of that towards people with different opinions.
As far as you HATING the HYPE, I laugh. Yes there are some idiots that say it will be the greatest movie ever, but those are few and far in between. Most people here on SR say that they are genuinely excited about the movie based on valid reasons (trailers, clips, news, etc.) And you HATE people for being excited about it? You HATE people for wanting to see it and voicing their opinion about that?
@Ken J
Seriously, please try to not be so abrasive. I don’t agree with obg about this film but we manage to stay civil to each other.
@obg
I think what’s torquing some folks about your “logical” arguments about the humor is that you only seem to consider your POV to be valid. If someone gives a countering logical argument you just dismiss it by saying it’s NOT logical and it’s only OPINION.
Very frustrating, futile and in the end pointless I suppose. The movie will make bucketloads of money and people will point to that as proof. Of course that Mall Cop movie made a hell of a lot of money too…
Vic
@ VIC
I definitely see how people interpret it that way but I’m really not dismissing anyone’s opinion. I’m saying that all these opinions exist at the same time, so there’s no reason to say that there are no explanations about why the humor is in there or why the humor is a certain flavor. Maybe it’s the movie hippie in me speaking, but I just want to shed some positive light on the negativity.
Wow, Devastator is a huge vacuum now, but Megan is still the big draw here…. Looks better than the first at least.
Could it be that people like humor in action films to offset all of the violence and give us a chance to breathe before diving back into sea of bullets, fists and blood?
The problem is that some humor in action films just feels forced, it doesn’t move the plot along or help explain the story. It’s just there to try and make people laugh. The best humor in any film is the kind that just happens. I think that’s my problem with Transformer humor, it feels forced and not fluid or seamlessly integrating with the plot.
Did the plate of doughnuts scene really help anyone understand what was going on in the story or the scene where Anderson is doing DDR and his cousin runs in the window fill in any plot holes for you? Not really, they were ok humorous scenes by themselves but they felt forced into the movie and that’s why I didn’t like them.
Some action movies do it right, most of the Die Hard films use action/humor properly were it fits into the movie and at least correlates with another scene in it.
“You just took out a helicopter with a car”
“I was out of bullets”
Good stuff.
Nah, no dismissing anyone’s opinions at all! Just calling them close minded and saying they are “presenting weak arguments” is all!
And I love all of the ambiguous comments that can be applied right back to the poster as easily as I did the first time. We all know what all of the people who attack those who are critical of the first film or the clips will say as well, so I guess all of you supporters might as well stop talking to then right? lol
You think you guys have said anything new and unexpected? Come on, you think I can really help responding sarcastically when we hear the same “oh, it’s a movie based on a cartoon” argument over and over again? It doesn’t deserve anything more than that, lol.
And as far as the clip, I’ve made coments regarding it, but the only responses you guys seem to be able to muster are all of these ambiguous generic comments that really does not at all even attempt to touch on the specifics of my post. Speaking of “weak arguments,” not addressing any of the points at all is not really a weak argument, it’s a complete lack of an argument at all. I welcome your criticisms of my criticisms.
Tell me, you don’t think that our military would have learned from the first incident chronicled by the first movie that small arms fire does nothing to these robots? That the only way to do any damage is with much heavier munitions like those delivered by aircraft or maybe armored vehicles? Why is it in that in all of these clips, including this one, you see so many scenes where troops on the ground and surrounding these robots shooting them with their M4’s or M16’s or whatever only to be killed in some fancy elaborate fashion by the transformer? Seriously, what is the point of having them there doing something completely useless that they wouldn’t do in real life if thrown into the same situation? From how I see it and how they show all the fancy special effects of their bodies being thrown around, smashed, or blown up, it’s just to add that shock factor with all of the carnage.
Say what you will about the government, but our military wouldn’t stand around trying to shoot a giant alien robot with 5.56mm rounds from a M16. Especially after they KNOW it doesn’t do anything after the first movie. Ground units would most likely retreat right away and call in air support. Oh, but that wouldn’t give us all of the cool carnage, oh no…
Hey, if you want to say that this opinion is “weak” then go ahead and prove it, don’t just say that it is, that’s no argument at all, I can turn it around and call your argument weak, and we can repeat the back and forth all day.
As entertaining as that is, it’ll get old eventually…
KEN J
You’re hopeless, everyone is try to keep this civil and “agree to disagree” is the general resolution to this conflict.
You on the other hand are again talking down to people as if you’re better than them. You’re not.
You ARE dismissing the arguments. You just did in your last post (based on cartoon). Just because they’ve been stated before doesn’t mean they are less relevant. Just because YOU don’t agree doesn’t make them less relevant either. They are all on the same level, you can’t DENY these arguments and that’s exactly what you’re doing.
Others have said, for the most part, “I see what you’re saying but it’s not that bad/there could be a reason for it/etc/”
You on the other hand just say NO, throw some insults, and dismiss other people’s points of view.
I loved this trailer. I think this looks like it will be better than the first film (which I will go on record as saying I liked). Megan Fox looks AWESOME and so does the action scenes. This trailer just ramped up my excitement for this film, although I REALLY REALLY hope they edit the Bumblebee crying part out of the final cut.
You know, some of the humor could have been handled much better. Take, for instance, Bumblebee urinating on agent Simmons; they could have taken a cue from the Airplane movies where this was done in the background. While Optimus is talking to someone, they could have Bumblebee urinating on the agent; I think that would have been much better.
The masterbation scene could have been subtle humor like, “We didn’t interrupt your special time, did we?”.
@Andy, I doubt they will edit it out, I’m sure someone at the studio is really proud of that. Wasn’t it said that one of the harder things (special effects-wise) they had to do for this one is the addition of liquids to these robots, like drool, tears, etc.? Hopefully no lubricant pee this time though…
@ogb
Oh snap! If you say so it has to be true!
Whatever dude, why don’t you try applying what jago was saying and actually talk about the clip, I just did, go ahead and actually “prove” why my opinion is “weak” by actually addressing it instead of simply saying so. I welcome it.
KEN J
It’s really sad that you’re not getting my “peaceful” and balanced message in my posts. I’m not attacking anyone’s opinion. I am however pointing out that you present your opinion with a “better than thou” attitude and with insults mixed in.
Your military argument? You really want me to say why it’s weak? It is WEAK because you’re selling it as an END ALL argument that’s fault proof. It’s not. It’s been addressed before.
First and foremost IT”S A MOVIE.
“Why is it in that in all of these clips, including this one, you see so many scenes where troops on the ground and surrounding these robots shooting them with their M4’s or M16’s or whatever only to be killed in some fancy elaborate fashion by the transformer?”
– First of all, keyword “CLIPS”, not the whole picture!
But okay, if you must be so ignorant as to whine about few second clips from a 2 hour movie without seeing it, here it is. Maybe the robots ATTACKED a military base. Maybe the military did not anticipate an attack. So when the robots DO attack, what are the soldiers supposed to do? Just fall over and die? Of course they’ll defend themselves and shoot at the robots!!!
Furthermore, not that much time has passed between the two movies so the military has not had time to “adapt” to this threat. FURTHERMORE, how else are they supposed to fight the robots in populated areas? With nukes?
I know I threw some insults in there but seriously man, how are you going to talk down to me and other people about this stupid, trivial and pity stuff that can go EITHER WAY!!!???
Really? I made them sound like end all arguments? Really? Is that why the first time I mentioned it I say the thing that *I* don’t like about it is… as in it’s my opinion?
And now when I repeated it, I ask it as questions? Oh yah, they are “end all” questions… that makes perfect sense. Nice try though…
And another point I want to point out is that my gripe with those clips is that they are in there. The fact that they are just small clips in a trailer only proves one thing, there’s probably MORE in the movie. So… technically since being in there at all is seen as a bad thing in my opinion, then how is more of it supposed to make me like it more? There are times when things in trailers don’t end up in the movie, but I don’t think this is the case here, it looks like they spent a lot of time with the special effects of having humvees and soldiers’ bodies being thrown around left and right.
Also, please stop trying so hard to play the victim, it’s a little ridiculous. Your posts will be easier to read without it too.
I just explained why your argument might not hold up and all you do is go to other topics instead of saying HEY MAYBE THERE IS A REASON FOR THOSE CLIPS.
Yes you do make them sound like end all arguments:
“Say what you will about the government, but our military wouldn’t stand around trying to shoot a giant alien robot with 5.56mm rounds from a M16.”
Yeah, they just WOULDN’T, for no reason whatsoever…right
Those clips are in there, okay, but don’t you think there is MORE TO THE STORY…these clips probably have a backstory that’s developed at some point through out this 2 hour movie. All you’re doing is speculating as to what actually happens IN THE FUTURE (when you this movie comes out). Do you not see how ridiculous this is? I’m also speculating, but I’m not POSTING this stuff all over the boards and making it out to be a fact like you are.
Drop it man, just drop it.
Hmm, I’m actually looking forward to this. Some people seem to either be really looking at the negative side, or to want to water down Transformers to soft porn via Megan Fox and intense, k.a. action sequences via Optimus.
At heart, it is a story. As such, there have to be characters that people empathize with and characters that people dislike. It’s a part of making a well-balanced dramatis personae to work inside of a story. We aren’t SUPPOSED to like Torturro, however that does not diminish what he can do for the story and the other characters. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it does seem like he is helping Sam in the trailer.
To add to that, we are still getting the really great action sequences. Optimus with two swords, Devestator (the real one), as well as Megatron coming back and probably causing some serious damage to Optimus by the end of the movie are just a few of the scenes that I’ve seen in the trailer regarding some really great robot kick-butt action.
Take it for what it is – a story, first and foremost, that has to involve a human(s) for empathetic reasons around a Science Fiction universe that takes itself seriously, and yet not so seriously that it becomes unbelievable. Live inside the story for a minute, and you might find yourself liking both the good parts as well as the not-so-great.
Ladies and Gentlemen.. Some of you need to stop taking this movie so damn seriously! Some of you are comparing it to G-1 or any other TF versions. Yes, it’s true.. these characters (speaking for myself here) are some of the best cartoon characters ever created! I, myself, am a Transformers fanatic! If Transformers were a drug, I would be a proud junky! LOL So, with that said.. I give Mr. Bay a lot of kudos for taking something so “bigger than life” to a lot of us; making it fresh and some what new.. and a little in your face fun.
Yes, there are some cheesy lines and moments in the movie but come on! G-1 to the Armada to the Cartoon Network’s newest version has some cheesy one liners and moments too! It is what it is.. cheap laughs! To tell you the truth, I bet that the majority of you wouldn’t like the movie so much if there were just serious dialogue all through the movie. Damn, even in real life we get those cheesy moments! So, lighten up, AMERICA!!
One comment on here really stood out to me which I totally agreed with, is a statement that stated “I’m not looking to this movie to be an earth shaking story that will shape our society for generations to come. I’m watching this movie because A. I grew up on the cartoons and loved em and B. I want to see giant robots blew the crap outta each other and see the occasional booty shot of Megan Fox! Come on people take it for what it is. It’s a cool FX Sci Fi shoot em up action flick that has a few corny scenes (IE Optimus spitting out a tooth in one of the other trailers)”.. MY POINT EXACTLY!!!
Now, all we die hard fans have to do now is, on 06/24/09, go to the movie theater, buy a ticket..(I myself am planning on seeing it in IMAX.. DON’T HATE!! LOL) buy a huge bag of popcorn (with extra butter).. a large drink (and anything else that tickles a movie viewers movie watching fancy). Sit back, relax and enjoy the visual and fantasy feast that is: Transformers 2: Revenge of The Fallen!
Thank you…
@ Evan J
Stop reading my mind
Um, nice quoting one line that isn’t even speaking for the clips but for what is common sense for people in real life…
So you’re saying that if giant shape-shifting alien robots came to earth and you see that shooting at them doesn’t work, that our platoon and company commanders will order the troops to surround it out in the open and shoot at it with our M16’s?? Alright… I mean, at least try indirect fire weapons like mortars, or maybe shoulder launched recoilless weapons like javelins or AT4 or something.
Look at War of the Worlds. Sure it wasn’t a GREAT movie, but just look at the military action. They tried to full on direct assault before that didn’t work. Then you see them in the end, doing a more stealthy approach, sneaking up behind one and launching javelins at them.
And that is all within the same invasion. This is obviously months, maybe even years after the first incident. You don’t think the commanders would have at least passed on some information regarding what they feel is the best defense against these things?? Sure we have a lot of bureaucracy and red tape, but come on, lol.
@ lee, you might have to get your tickets BEFORE that time or you’re not a true die hard fan, lol. You know it will be sold out on opening day, so start the line now, haha. I’ll bring the marshmellows. Not for the movie, I just like camping…
@ogb
Just lending a hand, my friend.
@Ken J
Why is this an issue? I still can’t figure out why this can’t be dropped until a later date? Say, until after 6/24/09? Now it’s just getting into an antogonistic battle because you think your opinion is getting trashed. Not to play monkey in the middle, but I think it would be best if we watched the movie fist and then discuss the military actions presented in the movie as to whether they were realistic or not. Seriously, take ogb’s advice. Drop it for now – arguments (different from debates because debates are fun)
only drive people away instead of anticipating the movie in an intelligent and civil (nods at Vic) way. It’s not even about dialogue; I’d call it an omni-logue. 
Everybody has an opinion. Give them room to voice it. Your’s has been heard.
“”So you’re saying that if giant shape-shifting alien robots came to earth and you see that shooting at them doesn’t work, that our platoon and company commanders will order the troops to surround it out in the open and shoot at it with our M16’s?? Alright… I mean, at least try indirect fire weapons like mortars, or maybe shoulder launched recoilless weapons like javelins or AT4 or something.”"
– I’m saying that the the scenes also look like they could be surprise attacks on the soldiers by the robots. The soldiers are surprised, panic, open fire with whatever they have. No time to draw up a strategy right then in there. Soldiers are trained to fight and at that point in time it could be that that’s their only option, use M16s.
“”And that is all within the same invasion. This is obviously months, maybe even years after the first incident. You don’t think the commanders would have at least passed on some information regarding what they feel is the best defense against these things?? Sure we have a lot of bureaucracy and red tape, but come on, lol.”"
– Yes there’s probably strategy involved but again, it could be a surprise attacks. Furthermore, months/couple of years is not enough to develop a sound strategy/tactic to fight GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS FROM OUTER SPACE!!! If you’re so informed, tell me how they should fight the transformers?
@Evan J
My problem with first film was precisely that I could NOT “live inside the story.” Just as I would get into the film some retarded, out of place ha-ha scene would be injected, kicking me right out of the film.
As to Turturro’s character being the one we’re supposed to dislike – they could have easily done that without making him out to be a complete moron. They could have made him the hard-case, no rule-bending FBI agent.
Vic
Evan J, I don’t get why people who have a critical opinion of what they have seen need to drop it? Is this like a suggestive censorship? We don’t “need” to drop it or wait for the movie to come out. If someone has an opinion on what they have seen, we’re all allowed to share it, and hey, it might cause people to take a closer look at the footage to see if they are right or wrong. I never said that these are bad things about Transformers 2, obviously it hasn’t come out, and Vic or Rob or anyone haven’t said anything about the movie, we’re all talking about the clips we’ve seen in the trailers. The only movie we’ve talked about was the first Transformers since we’ve all seen it.
Ken and ogb give each other your email and have your flame wars there…you’re filling up my inbox with unnecessary fluff that is neither entertaining nor thought provoking.
Ken – ogb disagrees with you and so do some other people, but you do have some people that do agree with you
Ogb – Ken disagrees with you and so do some other people, but you have some people that do agree with you
Now, can we please stop the flaming response posts and get back to whatever else is it we were discussing on this topic?
@Vic
That’s a great point. I never thought about the opposite side of Turturro’s character. Hmm, yes, I see what you mean. That would have been a better solution than to make him just… laughable.
KEN J
Again, missing the main point. Evan is saying to drop it because it’s all speculation. None of it can be proven or backed up. Hence these arguments don’t really add up to anything substantial. We don’t know much at this point so we got our opinion out and it’s time to drop this.
I’m taking Evan’s advice. No more.
@ Walwus – public forum, these are the side effects. I am stopping though so you won’t have to highlight,delete much more.
Oh, c’mon Ken J and ogb. It’s really becoming annoying to see that you always start stupid and pointless argues that no one care about when it comes to any Transformers news.
Hey, does anyone else here noticed that the Fallen only showed up in one scene (I think)? I’m betting Megatron will have much more screen time, though the other is supposed to be the “title character”
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