Come to think of it, I believe the person responsible for the above clever fabrications about Cochrane & Sloane is someone from on here, whom I would like to credit for his cleverness: Brighteyes.

I’ll see if I can find that post, I found it very enlightening.

~Johnny

That IS cool, thanx for sharing that with us.

Kinda like the transitional design between the TOS ship & the Refit/Ent-A, sorta like what they were gonna do with the series that never happened, ‘Phase II’ – have you ever seen that design? It is almost the Refit, but not quite – with just enough of the TOS original to, you know, connect.

I did like these pics by this Dennis Bailey guy, very professional. I copied them both for my Pictures file.

You guys, uh…DO understand that all we saw in TOS is safe in its own timeline, that this new Abrams movie is a BRAND NEW timeline and that there is therefore no connection between the world of TOS ever sice Nero sailed out of that wormhole, right?

Probably, it was changed back in Bozeman, Montana, as soon as the Ent/E had to follow the Borg Sphere to 2163 and ensure Cochrane’s first contact, if you ask me; that is the origins if the whole ST/Enterprise series with Archer & the NX-01. Love it or hate it, that wouldn’t have happened without First Contact, they had repercussions. That’s how T’Pol, not Spock, became the first Vulcan Executive Officer in Starfleet, get it?

When Zef Cochrane & Lily Sloane started comparing notes, combined with the earthshaking common knowledge of these aliens called ‘Vulcans’, it changed EVERYTHING!

On a related Screen Rant thread, there is a guy who wrote a fanciful synopsis of what happened after the Vulcans came & went, having listened to ‘Scooby Doo’ on ol’ Zef’s juke box –

Apparently, both Cochrane & his assistant Lily became writers (eventually); his was entitled ‘Saucers & Nacelles: The Way to the Future’, by Zefram Cochrane, and Lily’s was called ‘They’re Out There, and They’re NOT Swedish: An Interstellar Call To Arms’, by Lily Sloane.

Very amusing, I thought!

~Johnny-O

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Joe

The technology, through out the ship is inconsistent, from the ultra high-tech Bridge to the “Grain Combine Cylinders” with a Radio-active sign posted on it, in Engineering. Then comes the plexi-glass 19th century water reclamation room. ugh…

Not to worry, with enough people ranting, they’ll blow it up by the end of the next movie, and replace it with Gabe Koerner’s design, the way it SHOULD have been.

The ‘Screen Rant Spoiler’ afficitonadoes can now gather at the thread called, simply, ‘Star Trek Review’; Ken & I found our ways there okay, and so can you. Just follow the links to ‘Star Trek Review’, and you’ll land there just fine – if I can find it, anybody can, lol!

JOHN

Whoops! I meant Matt Jefferies, dunno who the hell Walt Jeffries is, sorry!

Not to sound like Time Magazine, but as they would say, I regret the error…

JOHN

Btw, did any of you ever hear the story of the original struggle Gene Roddenberry had to put up to get the original Jeffries starship design?

He got a visit from the head of the studio there at Desilu, a bit piqued that Roddenberry was still waiting for Walt Jeffries to finalize the design. He just couldn’t understand what the holdup was.

“It’s a show about people on a spaceship, right?” he says to Roddenberry. “Well, just take a cigar shape, put some windows on it, and there’s your spaceship! Simple, right?”

Wrong. Roddenberry had to fight to get Walt Jeffries’ design to be accepted, and that’s why it took so long (1964-’67, also two pilot episodes).

It could be that we are all being too hard on JJ Abrams – it is possible that his efforts to save the original Enterprise design, to any extent, are nothing less than heroic.

After all, stupidity, just like anything else, skips a generation, right???

JOHN

You got that right! We’re lucky the Enterprise doesn’t look like the Protector from ‘Galaxy Quest’…

Thanx for reminding us to look on the bright side, Bob.

JOHN

Glad I could brighten your cloudy day, ‘Eyes; yes, I have been called something very close to that – usually it’s just two words – ‘cynical bastard’, lol!

I admit, I have a hard time buying into human motives when it concernes making money, but not in humans’ ability to survive & make the most out of life through problem solving.

For all my cynicism, I can honestly tell you that it would’ve deteriorated into full-blown depression if not for that Franchise.

Seriously, for all the inspiring words that have come down thru’ history from real, live people – Edmund Burke on the triumph of evil over the complacency of good men, Bertram Russell on the ultimate prevalence of mankind as a function of survival, even Lincoln on the better angels of our nature – the words that have given me the most comfort & hope for the future, even after we here now are long gone, came from James Tiberius Kirk, spoken to an alien on the meaning of our people:

“We are of a race born to strive. We cannot grow, or even survive, without the challenge of adversity…”

I am glad I could make you smile, but this movie DOES have meaning…

But then. yo already knew that, didn’t you?

JOHN

Well, okay, I know, one person’s cynic is another person’s realist; and the truly worrying thing is, you may well be right!!

And it raised a smile on an otherwise grey and gloomy day!!

Vic, forgive me, but in view of all this discussion about a comic book necessary for proper understanding of the new JJ Abrams movie, I just had to share the text of that cartoon I sent you.

The following is a supposed compilation of a series of meetings between the Paramount Motion Pictures Chairman of Scripts & Development and staff which must’ve taken place back in, I figure, early 2007 at the latest, regarding the original enterprise (pun intended), TO WIT:

CHAIRMAN: Gentlemen…We’re making a new Star Trek movie.

GIRL WRITER (throwing hands in the air): All right! “Star Trek XI: The Search For Data”, here we come!

CHAIRMAN (ruminating): Hmmmm…

CHAIRMAN: You’re all fired.

THREE WEEKS LATER…

CHAIRMAN: Gentlemen…We’re making a new Star Trek movie. And this time…it’s gonna have Kirk & Spock.

JJ ABRAMS (one of a whole new batch of writers): Sir, they, uh, kinda killed off Kirk in ‘Generations’…

CHAIRMAN: It HAS to be about Kirk & Spock. No one will go see it othewise.

ABRAMS: But LOTS of people went to see ‘First Contact’ –

CHAIRMAN: KIRK AND SPOCK!

ABRAMS: Well, I guess we can remake Star Trek, like they did with ‘Battlestar Galactica’…

CHAIRMAN: NO, NO, NO, if we do THAT, we’ll lose the hardcore Trek nerd crowd. They’ll get all upset about their ‘canon’…and then come the death threats…

ABRAMS: We…we, uh…could cast younger actors, and call it a ‘prequel’.

CHAIRMAN (brightening): Gettin’ warmer…but if we do that, then it will limit the potential for making ENDLESS SEQUELS. We’re trying to create a new CASH COW here.

(Abrams & other writers look at each other)

ONE MONTH LATER…

CHAIRMAN (looking over proposal, with JJ Abrams standing at attention at the table): “Alternate timeline”? “Quantum theory of parallel universes”? Hmmmm…This reads like bad fan fiction…

CHAIRMAN:(reading quietly)

CHAIRMAN: I LOVE bad fan fiction! Here’s a blank check!

I hope that’s clear…

JOHN

A fleet of Starfleet vessels then engaged the Narada. Most of the starfleet ships were destroyed, and the Enterprise-E was badly damaged. This is when Ambassador Spock comes flying in with his “jellyfish ship”, and manages to pull the Narada, as well as himself, into a black hole.

Ive seen the movie now too, and I dont think the redesign has something to do with the current state of science….more with current state of fashion.
The Film is quite cool except or the already known design crimes on the Enterprise and its bridge (I liked the engineering, and if you remember, the engineering room in ST2 also looked very “industrial”)
and on the Romulans.

What I dont understand is, after watching the film, it became clear to me that that this mistakes wouldnt have been nessecary for it to be good. A more matching Version of the old enterprise like the one in the render I posted earlier WOULD STILL ROCK the same way in those really nice exterior scenes.
The Bridge is just a bit too “white” for my taste, fitting, like I said, current fashion for electronics (I-pod). I liked the touch screens and displays, but the whole environment was too bright to be a believable ships bridge. If you ever have seen the bridge of a navy vessel, you have a rather “grey” environment or the nice “red-lights” what makes the orange or green displays perfectly readable.

Anyways I really liked the interior design of the USS Kelvin, the atmosphere in the beginning of the Film felt right from the old films St 2 – 6.

But….btw…..what kind of romulans are those….!!!????

I take your point, so far as it goes; there are a lot of otherwise, well-balanced, peace-loving people here who would take your characterization of ‘trivial’ as fighting words!

Hahaha, feelings run strong about the Starship Enterprise, and a lot of people are saying “Who’s the is sumbitch JJ Abrams think he IS, anyway?”

The Big E is a form of art, that is true, in it’s most classic sense, as a focal point of our shared dreams & inspired ideas, and as a specific platform of (in our minds, anyway) a particular set of shapes, sizes and dimensions, the question is: Has Abrams gone too far? His Enterprise is a lot closer to the original than, say, Ron Moore’s reimagined Galactica, for example. I just saw the film and I think it rocks, and while certain things (like the internal engineering spaces, for example) kinda bugged me, I must confess, overall it was a singular cinematic experience (not to mention outstanding box office receipts) on the order of the original Star Wars. That’s not bad for a film submitted as a prequel to an original TV series of which the creator/producer, his wife, and two of the series’ main stars are all dead from old age.

Having said that, it should be remembered, in the words of the old Texas truism:

“You can put your boots in the oven, but THAT don’t make ‘em BISCUITS!”

JOHN