First Look At J.J. Abrams’ New USS Enterprise
Nov 11, 2008 by Vic HoltremanLet’s hear it: Do you LOVE the new Enterprise from the new Star Trek movie or HATE it?
Thanks to Entertainment Weekly, you are looking at the first full image of the redesigned USS Enterprise from the new Star Trek movie (you can head over there for a larger version).
As a long time Star Trek fan, whose favorite series is the original, my from-the-gut reaction when I first came across this was:
That is one ugly ship.
Here is what J.J. Abrams had to say in regards to the new design vs the original:
“If you’re going to do Star Trek there are many things you cannot change. The Enterprise is a visual touchstone for so many people. So if you’re going to do the Enterprise, it better look like the Enterprise, because otherwise, what are you doing?”
I don’t know… maybe it’ll grow on me or it will look awesome while in flight on the big screen, but at the moment it’s not doing it for me. While he went pretty “classic” with the saucer section (that’s “primary hull” for the Star Trek fans out there) the connecting pylon and the secondary (lower) hull just look… incongruous.
If I had to pick one word that comes to mind when I look at that image, it would be:
Taffy.
You know, that stretchy carnival candy? You get it warmed up and then you can pull on it and it stretches and thins? That’s what the secondary hull and the nacelles look like to me. The lower hull looks like it was molded out of clay, rolled between two hands and rolled narrower at one end.
Almost exactly one year ago I wrote a speculative post asking “How radical is the USS Enterprise Redesign?”
Pretty damned radical, it seems.
Here are some comparative images from that post to help put things in perspective:
The Original USS Enterprise NCC-1701
JJ Abrams’ Redesigned USS Enterprise NCC-1701
The USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A
Tell me the new design doesn’t look like the movie Enterprise saucer section tacked onto some completely different alien ship.
In another post, I tried to guess how a redesign of the Enterprise might equate to the modern trend of doing design updates of classic cars. As it turns out, I think my 1960s to 21st century Camaro comparison turned out to be the closest in design ideology:
Classic Camaro
Modern Camaro
At the time I wrote:
“Let me say that I think the new Camaro is really, REALLY hot and from a design standpoint pays homage to the classic version, but that degree of change for the Enterprise would be completely unacceptable.”
Oh well.
Or… is it just me? Do I need to give it time to sink in and see it in action? I’d like to hear opinions from both Star Trek fans and non-fans.
[UPDATE: Thanks to "Spockboy" check out this minor change to the design via Photoshop that makes the new NCC-1701 look FAR better by adding some bulk to the lower part of the ship.]
Star Trek opens on May 8, 2009.
Source: EW.com via FirstShowing.net
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You might also want to consider the amount of fans generated by James Cawley. What about them?
Joe
I am PRO TREK!
I believe that a good faith effort is being made to revive the franchise .
And I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt,
At least until I see the finished product.
I dont think Abrams is shutting out Trek fans in favor of new ones.
But he is trying to expand the Fanbase ,
and that MUST HAPPEN IF Trek is to survive.
New trailer is up:
http://screenrant.com/official-hd-new-star-trek-trailer-vic-4243/
Plus I address the old vs. new Trek controversies.
Vic
Joe, (and others)
Star Trek is classic. The original series is my favorite. It was also at times very campy but I love it anyway. The fact that J.J Abrams is trying to make Trek accessable to more people does not mean he is going to destroy it. The new design is needed. It looks more believable as a futuristic spacecraft. If a new movie was made using the old model, I truely believe it would be laughed at. I like the design. The changes to me are cosmetic. I’m more interested in the story that will be told. That’s not something you can determine by a redesigned model or a two minute trailer. If Abrams respects the source material and keeps the spirit of Trek then this will be a good movie.
That is my hope.
@Kirk, James T – Firstly, using the old model doesn’t have to look dated; look here: http://vektorvisual.com/projects/TrekXIEnt/gallery/Desktop01.jpg
Secondly, this Trek’s screenplay is by the two writers of Transformers and Mission: Impossible III… I think we’ve already seen some of the quip-heavy footage in the trailer – not a good sign.
I’ll wait for the reviews, though, before beaming aboard this one.
@avoidz
That’s a damn nice render of the original Enterprise.
Vic
I am star trek fan and have been for a long time, loved it from the original, but im sorry, for the 21st Century it needs to change! whats wrong with creating a new style to it. JJ Abrams is trying to re-invent star trek to bring in new fans of the series. Star Trek is unfortunately not popular compared to star wars because it has seemed “geeky or gorky” to quote an early msg. Please stop holding on to the past and welcome change. Thats the only way star trek will survive!
so I am a big Star Trek fan and the thing the bugs me is what about all the Star trek time line stuff that has been built up from the original series to TNG to DS9 and to Voyager where do all those fit in now? JJ Abrams has alot of guts trying to re-write the whole history of Star Trek and honestly I am somewhat excited about the movie but also pissed off im confused
The prequel Enterprise would have been less sophisticated than the refit Enterprise of TOS and the movies. New technology, miniaturization, and automation could have reduced the size and need for the prequel’s bulkier look resulting in the sleeker look of the TOS and movie Enterprise . Less equipment bulk reduces ship mass and could have allowed refits to add more deck space so the TOS version would have a larger secondary hull for increased storage space and operational range. If you stop thinking in terms of beautiful form and think in terms of aerospace engineering, then the differences in the appearance of the ships,(with the exception of the slender engine pylons of TOS), are logical. I see the prequel version as the Mark I Constitutional class heavy cruiser and it doesn’t hurt my vision of the Star Trek world. By the way, Gene Roddenberry didn’t like the idea of a starship that had equipment and instruments on the outside of the hull. As a former bomber pilot his opinion was based on the streamlined needs of craft flying through an atmosphere.
Maby it will turn out to be like the reimaged Battlestar Galactica (but not so depressing)were it is diffrent and new but still kind of the same. But what will this new movie do as far as Trek cannon?
I love it when non-trek fans start accusing Trek fans of being geeky, nerdy, dorky, or what ever negative pronoun they toss in our direction. Talk about tradition! Most only do so out of tradition, and are extremely terrified of associating themselves with Trek, even though some in secret actually love it. The secret Trek fans are merely afraid of being “CAUGHT” watching Trek programs, because they’re afraid of being picked on, or teased. THAT’S CALLED PEER-PRESSURE!
I never thought that older people today would still be controlled by “PEER-PRESSURE”. When it comes to music, movies, and television shows, I was never the person governed by PEER-PRESSURE, as though others dictated what I enjoy. If I liked the music, then I liked the music. If I liked the movie, then I liked the movie. What I like has little to do with what others like. That’s what makes me, and fans like me, faithful to Star Trek, even to the point of being persecuted, and/or ridiculed by those governed by PEER-PRESSURE.
How does this make fans like us better than future fans? Because we didn’t need someone to change a movie with its reputation of being geeky, dorky, boring, or stupid! We loved Star Trek for what it is, was, and ever shall be, no matter what the non-trekkies think. That, I’d say with great pride (as should the rest of you who feel as I do), makes us dependable fans of a 40 year tradition, despite the displeasure of the apparent main-stream populace, otherwise known to be anti-trekkies, the JJ Abrams and his Klan of followers who need to be won over! To HECK WITH THAT! We loyal Trek fans don’t need Trek to change to suite our needs, as some appear to want! That will only end up as a temporary fad!
Some have mentioned JJ Abrams past failures, such as LOST and Cloverfield (I know that I mentioned Cloverfield), but my dislikes with LOST or Cloverfield have nothing to do with my dislike of his current Trek film. It has to do with his deceptive tactics used to keep Trek fans in suspense. At the beginning, advertisements stated, “TREK IS BACK!” and “WE WATCHED THEIR JOURNEY! LEARN HOW IT ALL BEGAN!” We were led to believe that JJ Abrams was taking us back to the beginning to tell the TRUE story of how it all happened. Instead, this movie is telling a completely different story, which will lead to a new establishment of Trek canon (no, not really).
Do I think this is a bad thing? I do for personal reasons, but that doesn’t mean I want JJ Abrams to fail. New generations have different tastes (some more perverted than others), and there’s nothing wrong with that. But knowing the history of Trek provides me enough evidence that a new style of Trek doesn’t necessarily equate to a new fan base. Today’s young generation thrives on a different movie style. They love mindless comedy, lots of blood and sick gore, thong scenes, neon lights, and a great deal of Hip-Hop. So unless Trek gets “Hip” and “Bloody”, JJ Abrams version of Trek will be nothing more than a temporary fad. So in my strongest opinion, we loyal Trek Fans have absolutely nothing to fear. Any so called new Trek Fans will disappear once the newness wears off. Why? Because the same old prostitute isn’t good enough for them; they’ve got to have something new every single time. WE, my friends, are the PROVEN, FAITHFUL, and BELOVED of the so called “GEEKY, DORKY, QUIRKY” Trek base.
What’s my prediction? This will be an average action film with some elements of Trek, but completely separated from Trek, that will die out completely. Mark my words fellow faithful fans. Within a year or two after all the chaff and wind have finished their course, the non-treks will continue to be non-treks, and the ones punching us with personal pronouns will continue to hurl insults at us. Why do I believe this? Because their beloved JJ Abrams and his Trek movie will have gone the way of decomposed feces, while we continue to revel in traditional Trek’s glory! In short, they’ll forget all about it, while the loyal Trek fans enjoy other Trek-based films…..James Cawley, dude, you are my hero!
I AM A STAR TREK FAN, AND I AM NOT AFRAID! We don’t need change; Parmount is the one who screwed up, which caused the reduced ratings within the past 10 years. It’s not our fault they put out flaky Trek films, but we still supported them.
I’ve found that most people that dis Trekkies are ppl that don’t have a sense of humor and a sense of open mindedness toward alien life…
Same time they’re playing “World of Warcraft” under the covers,,, :-O
First, I’ve been a Trek fan since 1987, and after having seen all shows and movies many times over the years, I’m GLAD THEY ARE MAKING MORE… some Trek is good, some Trek is bad… but I’m ok with them being made no matter what just to get a bit of a fix and some fresh material.
With that being said, on the ship look in the new movie, if indeed this is the one… I just don’t get how everyone thinks this is so streamlined… the way the saucer is pushed back makes the navigational dish part look like it’s sticking out like an uber beer gut! Cept for that GLARING TO ME flaw… I LIKE the design… if you pushed forward the saucer part a bit, including the bit that connects the saucer to the engineering hull, it would be just about perfect in my eyes. However, the way it is now, I’m sure I will laugh in my head every time I see it on screen just a little, but it’s better than nothing I suppose. Still, it makes me wonder if they ran into a wall at warp and we are looking at it before insurance fixes the damaged ‘pushed back’ saucer part.
Ten seconds into the trailer, the hardcores will howl,(citing “A Piece of the Action”) “But Kirk can’t drive!”
I think I know what just went down though, (besides the ‘Vette)
Welcome to the new time line.
Romulans from the future attack the Kelvin, Kirk Sr. dies over a decade earlier than he would have. Little Jimmy grows up undisciplined with nobody to keep him away from the Old Barn where the Red Barchetta lies waiting.
Meanwhile the Federation, believing the temporal interloper to be current Romulan tech, goes into full panic mode. They triple Star Fleet’s budget and embark on a crash R&D program to close the gap. Working from the Kelvin’s sensor logs an the accounts of the survivors they develop a line of ships that, while not as elegant as the Constitution class that would have been, are a great deal faster, more powerful, and advanced.
To crew these ships and bolster the fleet, they must recruit younger, train shorter, and promote faster.
Actually a good Idea to start them out young, because a successful Trek series can have a real long run and look pretty ridiculous toward the end if you don’t
Much like the “change” promised by our President-elect, I am hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.
What the geek callers fail to realize is that every time they boot up that PC, whip out that cell phone, or drool over that cool new electric car powered by lithium-ion batteries, there was a Trek fan behind it.
We are the ones who dream the dreams, crunch the numbers, draw the plans, fabricate the prototypes and make it real.
If Paramount doesn’t give us what we want; A sense of optimism, a cerebral edge, and just the right touch of humor to leaven the bread, We will produce the GD thing ourselves. We have the technology, we MADE the technology.
We may not get it right at first, but we will not give up until we do. Thats the Star Trek way, that’s the American way.
I tend to prefer SW to ST, and I never much liked the original Enterprise. However, the movie version should have at least looked like it could have been modified into the original version. The proportions on the 1701-2.0 are completely wrong.
This was not supposed to be a new model built as a tribute to the original. It was supposed to be the original, or at least a believable original version of the original. I am sure it will look great on screen, but it won’t look like the Enterprise, and I thought that was the point.
I will still see the movie because I like space movies, but what I really wanted to see was a Star Trek movie.
~ RF
I really think that the new model is…”different” but I think you should give it a chance. you haven’t seen it fly yet. sure maybe it should have a little more bulk and a few other things should be changed….but all I’m sayin is give it a shot.
This new design works for me, as does the equally criticized NX-01, and here’s why. Since “First Contact”, everything that should have been has been tampered with. How many of Cochrane’s team would go on to design the Daedalus Class Starship? (The Daedalus being the true predecessor of the Constitution Class) Now how many of those guys were blown up by the Borg? Lilly was also an engineer, and she spent a considerable amount of time on the 1701-E. In addition, she saw Picard destroy several starship models spanning over 100 years of ST cannon. Now considering that one of the founders of Warp capable ships viewed designs that were 300 years ahead of her time, it’s safe to assume that her future work would have been impacted by her experience. You can also blame the design changes to the 1701 on several other Time Paradoxes. Remember Scotty giving a 1980′s engineer the formula for a very strong 1″ glass? How about the U.S.S. Voyager flying over a 1999 LA? I won’t even get into every time paradox that Archer created. In any event, there’s no doubt that some watchdog group from the 29th century is looking at pics of this new old Enterprise and asking themselves, “WTF”?
In any event, the new movie looks awesome. I have to admit that I chuckle everytime I read the “ibridge” reference though.
I have heard many fans blame everybody from Paramount, to George Bush for the decline of Star Trek. In reality, the very same hard core fans that gave it life in syndication are the ones to blame. These loyal “purist” fans have taken what they loved and put it in a small jar with no air holes in their attempt to keep and hold something on a shelf where they can marvel at a beauty that is only at its best when free. Unfortunately, after a time an antenna falls off, then a leg or a wing. Pretty soon all they have left is a dusty carcass. Star Trek needs to be free. It needs to have the space to be creative, fresh, and new. Star Trek is a modern day legend and most legends that survive do so because the story changes with the retelling and stays fresh and RELEVANT to the times. Look at some of the comic book characters whose stories have been drastically updated or renewed over the years. The Star Trek legend will not survive the passing of the baby boomer generation without a major overhaul because the generations to follow will just not be interested. It’s time to let the child grow up, make it’s own choices about right and wrong and live with their consequences. You might be surprised how it turns out.
I am a trek fan been since next gens premier but I am not going to nitpick every little part of a inital pic paramount released and also JJ’s vision of the ship looks great from what I see and it was stated on a website don’t remember which, that this shot doesn’t do it a lot of justice and you need to wait to see it in action or 3d shots as some have stated, also just seen on youtube shatner saying he likes the new ship and looks like the original check on trektoday.com.
I cannot see using the old 1701 on the big screen it could never stand up to the detail, and also that bridge from the original series did look like a cardboard set. I just can not see knocking something till I have seen it, for the rest of ya the choice is up to you if you want to nitpick every last detail hopefully it wont scare off the people that are not in to trek and want to give this movie a chance and see it
just continuing from my previous post, all the bashing about this movie and blaming abrahms and everyone else, I really do not want to be associated with the trekkers trekkies its embarrassing to be associated with this. I have never ever seen a bunch of people whining bo-hooing about small insignificant stuff, remember its not real life its sci-fi its not going to hurt you if things are different ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
if this affects in such a way guess what dont pay to see it may 8th when it releases.
I am not trying to be an ass but this is getting to be annoying with all this complaining
As a 35 year Star Trek fan, I must say that this movie is growing on me. I know I mentioned a few negative things about JJ Abrams, but after careful considering, I do believe I owe him an apology.
Star Trek is about space travel and exploration. It shouldn’t matter about the details, canon, or its history. After all, this is a reboot, and I think in order for Star Trek to continue to amaze those of us who dream about space travel, then it would do us all a great deal if we would refrain from futher complaints, and just accept it.
Here’s a fresh idea for us all. Space exploration is about experiencing different worlds. Let us true Trek fans consider this Reboot of the most popular franchise in American history as such. It’s a new world, with a new beginning. I still don’t agree with using TOS characters, or the glorious name “Enterprise”. JJ Abrams could have avoided much of this had he developed an entirely new Trek, instead of robbing and changing it. At the same time, we get to watch new adventures, even if it means altering the canon.
Let’s face it my fellow Trek fans. Star Trek was fading, even though there are millions of loyal fans. But today’s generation needs a different approach to being inspired by Star Trek; and that to me is what Star Trek was; an inspiration.
Therefore, I’d like to offer JJ Abrams and his staff a personal apology, and I wish him the greatest success.
This new Star Trek movie does look exciting, and I for one cannot wait until May 2009 to see this magnificant event. I’ll still forever be a fan of the Original Series, and I look forward to James Crawley producing more Phase II Trek films. At the same time, quoting from James, “There’s nothing wrong with liking both….”
Let’s go Trek Fans! It’s time for a revival!
Joseph
Man, just when you think you’re the biggest Trek Geek out there, along comes an even bigger one.
Nice piece of speculation there Jake, The “First Contact factor” would help explain a lot. “This is no time to talk about the time line, we don’t have the time!”
What Cochrane and Lilly saw would definitely eliminate the Daedelus class as well as that ring-tailed Enterprise from the ST 1. “Thanks for the suggestion Mr Vulcan, but we feel that this layout has more potential.”
Could it have led to the development of a more compact anti-matter tank, intermix chamber, and converter assembly as we saw on the NX-01 engineering “pod”, which in turn leads to a smaller engineering hull on this new ship? Very likely.
Humanity would also be made aware of the reality of time travel and temporal warfare, as well as the existence of a hostile alien race that was definitely not Swedish.
A new time line would keep the new crew from having to re-visit the same worlds and re-live the same situations. It also gives the fan producers access to all the toys from the “original” all though no longer “official” universe, while the merchandising boys get to make their new line of toys.
An elegant solution, with plenty of canonical backing and win for everybody.
I have no problem with more sex and action. The stodgy political correctness of NextGen won’t be missed. Just as long as they realize to stimulate the brain and the heart as well.
An elegant solution
I’m actually up and down on this new design. There are some things I do like and some things I don’t. The Nacelles and the pylonsare one thing I don’t like. I kinda wish they had kept them the same to a degree. The only other things is the positioning of the dorsal section. Too far back. Doesn’t look right. But other than that, from the new trailor and looks of the corridor and bridge I think I will like the new movie. It looks like it’s gonna be awesome. Have to judge things then.
“I have always thought this is not a movie for ‘Star Trek’ fans – it’s a movie for movie fans.” I agree completely.
I have read fans and non-fans comments about the new “rebooted” Star Trek movie. I am a fan of Star Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY). Not Enterprise for obvious reasons. Each series and movies were reincarnations of the original that started it all. And each have different crews and different stories to tell.
Most of these stories told in these reincarnations stayed true to the essence of the universe that Star Trek is … action, adventure and imagination…
In the hands of writers like Gene Roddenberry, D.C. Fontana, Harlan Ellison, Larry Niven, Herve Bennett, David Gerrold, Alan Dean Foster, Nicholas Meyer, Leonard Nimoy and even Johnathan Frakes.
These writer and producers “making it up as they went along” give us their best and worst efforts to keep the universe of Star Trek alive. They adding to the Trek Universe and in return, they earned the fans support.
Is Star Trek…dead no nor is it dying. Not in the hearts and minds of it’s true fans. But.. The reason why so many fans have left is because…
Paramount keeps insulting the intelligence of its fan base. By giving $150 million dollar budget to a person who is considered the new “it” boy. And tells him to do “whatever he wants.” and he did not do the other important thing… “Research”. That is why this reboot will not get a huge box office…$70 million maybe? My prediction and that is being very generous.
That is the reasons why I became a writer. Because, I believe in the power of imagination. Not CGI to tell and support my stories. Nor will I be so arrogant to take someone else’s work (in this case Gene Roddenberry’s) and call it my own “rebooted” revision.
My script would honor those of the past to invite the future to come and play and I could make a profit. (If it sounds like a challenge. That’s because it is.)
I would take into consideration fans complains and input. I would not lie to them or give them a brain fart about being concerned about their support. This is what JJ Abrams did on some of the Trek fan sites. This movie will go by way of “Nemesis.” The names Berman and Braga come to mind.
By the way, Dr. Who reincarnated(which I am also a fan of) is the longest running sci-fi series in TV History and originated in England… Star Trek is second… and we also have a place in the Webster’s Dictionary
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I found this on Amazon I am maybe thinking its true in a lot of ways… LOL
Would you like to become a brooding, cynical, pseudo-intellectual, “Star Trek malcontent”?? It’s easy, and it’s sooooo en vogue!
See, typical sci-fi fans have become so embittered with the ammount of heckling and ridicule they receive when they go out in public dressed like a Horta, that they have come to develop this cruel, self-loathing, love / hate relationship with their cruel mistress: The Star Trek franchise!!
So, in order to be “hip” and “with it”, I’m sure you, the casual Trek fan is wondering “hey, just how in the heck can I be a cool anti-fan!!??” Well, it’s difficult, because it requires that you abandon any sense of fun or suspension of disbelief that is necessary to enjoy sci-fi in the first place. It also requires you to expect epic and grand stories from a franchise that has always been campy and “popcorn” material to begin with. But, most importantly, it demands a nit-picking eye that can only be held by the most rabid, insane, “Star Trek Encyclopedia” memorizing fan! See, that’s the irony of the whole thing…it’s the biggest “fans” who are the biggest critics and problems of the franchise. If you want to be a member of the pseudo-intellectual “in crowd”, you must begin to enjoy hating and nit-picking the stories MORE than just actually watching them! You’ve got to be one of those guys who think that books like The Nitpicker’s Guide for Next Generation Trekkers, Vol. 2 were written out of spite, and not fun!
Anyway, here’s how you get it done:
1. Continue to watch EVERY episode of Enterprise, no matter how much you complain about it. Be certain to hate the opening music. Have a copy of your The Star Trek Encyclopedia next to you, and at every commercial break, look up different references and immediately blow a gasket if a reference in the show does not match the established “Trek lore”. You may also need a copy of Star Trek Chronology: The History of the Future because, after all, this IS a prequil!!
2. Cite inane opinions like “they could have done SO MUCH MORE”…but fail to define what “more” could have been done. Expect a “Laurence of Arabia” epic that is three hours long and contains some of the most amazing cinemetography ever attempted. Forget the fact that you and other fans like you have been crying “why can’t they make a movie like “Wrath of Khan” again???”, and critique the film because of it’s similarities to this classic. Gripe about non-issues like “We never get to see Riker’s ship, The Titan!” (all Trek malcontents are concerned about geeky things like this). Feel personally slited by the filmmakers because they killed of Data, and plot your revenge for having your feelings hurt by telling everyone that this movie stunk.
3. Hate Rick Berman and Brannon Braga like they are Adolf Hitler and Osama Bin-Laden themselves! Feel personal hatred toward these men for “ruining everything Gene Roddenberry stood for”, even though by 1969, all Roddenberry “stood for” was making a buck and getting the heck outta Dodge! Let your hatred grow to the point that you will accept NO Star Trek product under their names, no matter how good it may be (see above on “Star Trek Nemesis”).
4. Frequent as many Star Trek message boards as you can and bad-mouth everything (remembering to bash the Enterprise theme music whenever the going gets rough or anything coming out related to trek! This is the DEFINITIVE stand-by for all Trek Malcontents). Start arguments with the blissfully “ignorant” fans who are happy just being entertained and allowing themselves a few hours of escapeism. Say things like “well, maybe YOU don’t care…but Star Trek is so much MORE to those of us who TRULY understand!!!” Pretend that you are from the 60′s and that this is a great movement, and that your voice MUST be heard. Since you are probably a useless loser in real life…this will make you feel good and important. Is is particularaly important never to let anyone know who you really are, however…because you’ll otherwise end up beaten up by people who think you’re pathetic.
5. Always talk about the “good ole days” and what “Gene would have wanted”. Ignore the fact that Gene was a money-hungry producer, just like everyone else in Hollywood. Ignore the fact that he lost control of his own franchise becuase, in the 70′s, the “ideals” became more important than making a good story! Ignore that the Original Series was more flawed than anything that’s come out in modern times. Brush over the fact that many of the things you will complain about (continuity violations, mindless action, cheesy dialogue, etc) were present in ABUNDANCE in the Original Series and Films. If you can do this, you are well on your way!
@JimBob
Ouch.
Actually you’re not far off on Roddenberry. Two stories come to mind: Adding lyrics to to the opening credit music because for some reason that made it qualify for residuals (or some such thing) and the design/creation of the IDIC medallion and inclusion in an episode so he could have knock-offs manufactured and sold as Star Trek jewelry.
Vic
@vic
what your doing on this site must be lot of work and i congratulate ya.
My only concern with all these mssg boards with the fans complaining non-stop about little useless things is starting to make me think anyone who is not a fan might end up skipping the movie…. how should I put it… “the non fans will see all the negativity and think the hell with this movie.”, I do like trek but I wont go to the point of nit-picking every last little bit of details on the ships ect… I just dont see the sense in it as it is sci-fi not real life and the way the fans are acting makes me think they have O.C.D or some other disorder that they can not differentiate the sci-fi from there real world.
I liked TNG when it came out, but now I do look back it was entertaining but at the same time to political, DS9 I never really got into it till Season 4 as the producers writers ect.. went onto doing different things straying from what trek was always playing it safe and not crossing what it should not have been.. I love the action and sci-fi intertwined , and also Enterprise daring to do something different often called “Modern Day Trek” doing something that no one had done with trek going with a prequel straying from the canon trek but unfortunately with B&B in charge it was already to late for trek to ever recover, the re-hashing of stories a.k.a series to series same stories different casts and by season 4 it was actually getting on track but to late again treks fate was sealed and destined to dye.
Now we have a new bunch of writers, producers, ect… and fans are not even giving it a chance without bashing it and it hasn’t even hit the big screen yet… now what I want to know how can someone try undermining something before hand just from pics and trailers ect… some fans are accepting of the change and can’t wait others are so opposed to anything straying from what they have seen in trek-lore … now for them wow all i can say you have to let the past remain the past and if you cannot live with diffrence in trek fine stay home watch you ols trek on tape disc whatever
@vic
What your doing on this site must be lot of work and I congratulate you.
My only concern with all these mssg boards with the fans complaining non-stop about little useless things is starting to make me think anyone who is not a fan might end up skipping the movie…. how should I put it… “the non fans will see all the negativity and think the hell with this movie.”, I do like trek but I wont go to the point of nit-picking every last little bit of details on the ships ect… I just don’t see the sense in it as it is sci-fi not real life and the way the fans are acting makes me think they have O.C.D or some other disorder that they can not differentiate the sci-fi from there real world.
I liked TNG when it came out, but now I do look back it was entertaining but at the same time to political staying safe, DS9 I never really got into it till Season 4 as the producers writers ect.. went onto doing different things straying from what trek was always playing it safe and not crossing what it should not have been.. I love the action and sci-fi intertwined , and also Enterprise daring to do something different often called “Contemporary Trek” doing something that no one had done with trek going with a prequel straying from the canon trek but unfortunately with B&B in charge it was already to late for trek to ever recover, the re-hashing of stories a.k.a series to series same stories different casts and by season 4 it was actually getting on track but to late again treks fate was sealed and destined to dye.
Now we have a new bunch of writers, producers, ect… and fans are not even giving it a chance without nit-picking it and it hasn’t even hit the big screen yet… now what I want to know how can someone try undermining something before hand just from pics and trailers ect… Some fans are accepting of the change and can’t wait others are so opposed to anything straying from what they have seen in trek-lore … now for them wow all I can say you have to let the past remain the past and if you cannot live with difference in trek fine stay home watch you old trek on tape disc whatever and stay out of the forums as there will be to much negativity going around about the film…please read my post above vic’s post and I bet that will be you.
Anyway the new film at lest from what I have seen looks great, I will stay away from the theater till a week after it releases as I don’t like being crowded and all you hear is crunch of pop-corn and bags rattling now that’s annoying and no one ever shuts-up and you cannot hear the film, Big mistake opening night of ST-First Contact, I actually got up and left managed to exchange my ticket for the 6th day after it opened.
Just a thought I just wanted to add from my last post… J.J has said its not a reboot of the franchise he has said a re-imaging of the original which means things are going to be different and as he also stated and I have seen on the boards on this site to, it is going to be movie for “movie fans not trek fans” he is trying to reach the general audiences
As for the fans of past trek. Trek will keep going on in whatever way the new directors, writers, producers choose and it will go on without you and have a new generation of fan followers possibly,
But it all comes down to one thing Trek is Paramount’s cash cow and there looking at other ways to milk more cash out of the franchise till it’s bled dry, just like anything else any studio will do if they think it’s financially viable to cash in on.