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  • Ken J
    @ Jess

    I agree 100% then, they shouldn't remake The Thing... again... the first remake is probably much better than the original (never seen it), but I heard they wanted to make a prequel... or something...
  • John "Kahless" Taylor
    I don't mind remakes as long as they don't change the plot. When I heard Day the Earth Stood Still was being remade, I was estatic. My jubilation lowered a bit when I heard Reeves was playing Klaatu but I still looked forward to it. Then came the word that the entire plot had gone green, and that's what killed it. Why change a plot that is still relevant today? Hopefully, they won't change the plots of The Thing, When Worlds Collide, Forbidden Planet or Clash of the Titans.
  • JessSayin'
    @Ken J..

    Should have prefaced the title correctly, sorry.

    John Carpenter's, 'The Thing'.

    I grew up watching Kurt Russell, (who did the voice of Elvis in Forrest Gump and directed and owns the masters to Tombstone, btw) doing all those Disney 'clean kid' movies.

    ..Then sitting down in a practically empty theater in 1982 and seeing The Thing with him using the F-word was a real eye opener.

    Made prior to CG or personal computers for that matter, the film is a horror classic and shouldn't be touched. IMO
  • MM
    WTF!? You say that The Manchurian Candidate (remake) is superior to the original? Are you crazy?
  • Liam
    We have SOOOO reached overload... i mean it would definitely be a tiny bit different of a scenario were these remakes done exceptionally well... but nope they never cease to disappoint either fans of the originals as well as belittle the "general" intellect of movie viewers all around the globe
  • SIN187UM
    A good sequel was Guyver 2 Dark Hero, much better than the first Guyver. I think where sequels go wrong is the length of time it takes to make the sequel. Granted not all tht come years later are bad (RAMBO), but some have been a let down on some level (Indy and the Crystal Skull). The same holds true for remakes, some are bad, and some are decent. Most hollywood remakes of japanese horror films suck, and I wish Hollywood would stop remaking them into PG-13 crap fests. I think the John Carpenter remake of the Thing is fine and does not need to be remade, a sequel much like the 2001 Game The Thing would go over much better. Remakes usually fail to capture the essence of the original, the halloween remake did little justice to the original version. Friday the 13th was decent for what is, but was lacking a certain feel, and turned into the predictable slasher movie post 80s slasher films. So I guess in conclusion on remakes updating and retooling the storyline/persona of characters can make or break the remake. But then again remakes aren't for the older generation who appreciate what it was then. If they Re-remake the Thing or the Howling they better not butcher it. Sequels need to have some thought behind them besides cash which yes is ultimately the bottom line but then again Hollywood still green lights the Movie spoofs (Scary after 2, Disaster) and that needs to stop.
  • Ken J
    Hey, if you can find a network willing to finance a cancelled show, we'll be back in business.
  • huntthejest
    Holy hell, they should do another Serenity, and get Firefly back on the air(all new episodes, son!)
  • JLGotrocks
    If a movie isn't older than your dad,then it shouldn't be remade.Plain and simple.


    I'm really sick and tired of movies that aren't even 10 years old that "have" to be remade.With the obvious exceptions of a few like the new Batman movies,The Hulk
    and a few others that escape me right now,they really need to stop.

    As for sequels,as long as movies make ridiculous amounts of money,there will always be sequels.Some are good,but most are not so good,but what I'm really getting tired of are prequels.I don't think that I've seen a good one yet.Underwold:Rise Of The Licans was decent,but far from a good movie,if that makes any sense.I just wish that when they tell these stories that they would just start from the beginning instead of having to go back.Oh,i will admit that the new Star Trek movie does look great,so there is at least one prequel that should be good.
  • Ken J
    @Vic

    OK, I just watched it again, and apparently I was just seeing the Serenity because that's what I expected to see, lol. It was just some shuttle craft apparently that lifts them out of the shaft, so yah, you're right, it's a sequel, not a remake. My mistake. I remember the show quite well, guess I have forgotten that part of the movie a little.
  • Ken J
    I know almanza, that's why I'm asking Jess to clarify WHICH remake she was referring to when she said The Thing. Whether she is saying the REMAKE with Kurt Russell is unnecessary, or the new remake of that remake they are thinking about making... Because the Kurt Russell one would be the first remake, the new one they are talking about would be a second remake, so I don't know which remake she is saying they shouldn't do or have done.
  • almanza
    @ ken j

    there's an old horror movie called the thing, before the Kurt Russell one, it's a classic if you're into horror movies, the monster was a big dude with prostetics/makeup, ala Frankenstein/mummy
    though i could be wrong
  • Ken J
    I'll watch that part again when I get home from work.
  • Ken J
    Vic, if you remember from the tv show, the crew of Serenity DID NOT help him rescue River. He snuck River onto the ship as cargo. Unless I'm remembering Serenity wrong, they did show that Serenity was hoisting him up along with River right?
  • Thandrale
    With the cost of movies I think nowdays you have to have something to hook the backers with. They just won't take a chance on anything without some kind of name recognition.

    Horror has always suffered from sequelitis though. Look at all the Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolfman and Mummy sequels of the forties/fifties
  • Sorry Ken, I don't think Serenity was a "redoing" of Firefly. The bit with River and her brother getting on the ship was simply filling in the backstory, not totally changing anything.

    Vic
  • Ken J
    wes, Serenity was not a sequel to the show. It was a redoing of the show. They actually changed a few things about the timeline for it to fit, like how River and her brother got aboard the ship and stuff like that...
  • wes
    I agree that tv shows turned to movies have largely not worked, at least from what I've seen. It seems they do better when the movie is a sequel to the show like Serenity.
  • steven the git
    Hmmm, I do like Beyond Thunderdome a lot, if nothing else, for that little bloke who just won't die. :)

    Road Warrior, more straight forward action, less kids talking daft. So can see what you mean.

    Also there's the Dollars trilogy with Eastwood. Those got better, if personally I prefer For A Few Dollars More. Il Nino is nuts.
  • Ken J
    Which "The Thing" remake are you speaking of? The new one they are thinking of making or the Kurt Russell one?
  • JessSayin'
    I think 'The Empire Strikes Back' was one of the best sequels ever!
    Especially considering it came after a movie that just couldn't be topped.

    'The Road Warrior' was better than Mad Max if for no other reason than them letting Gibson speak his own lines without a voice-over the entire film.

    Although..
    Remaking 'The Thing' and 'Fahrenheit 451' is unacceptable and inexcusable IMO.
  • Ken J
    I also have no issues with sequels as long as they are of the same quality (or better) than the original or at the very least stick to the source material. Because for me, I enjoy movies for their characters, so it's always nice to see the characters I like on screen again. What I'm getting a bit sick of are remakes. Remakes of bad movies with potential I understand, but it seems like it's remake after remake after remake, and it started out good where the remakes were better than the original, but now so many remakes are much worse...

    @ Panda

    I would love to see Milla and Brucey on screen again as LeeLoo and Dallas, but I kind of disagree that the STORY needed a sequel. They completely defeated that "evil force" thingy, they didn't just stop it temperarily, so I think it would be hard to find a good plot for it. Remember the Fifth Element, aka Leeloo, was created purely to complete that weapon to destroy that thing when it came time for it to come and destroy life. Once that task is completed, there's really nothing else for her to do.

    I mean, she still can kick ass, so I guess they can do some random superhero stuff, but it won't be the same.
  • Daniel F
    I actually like sequels usually. I don't think there should be less even if some of them suck. Working with that idea if you look at the number of movies released per year and how many are actually good you could say maybe we should have less movies because so many suck. Doing less doesn't mean the ones that get done are more likely to be good in fact more than likely the bad one will be the ones that get made.
  • Josh
    @steven

    Road Warrior was better than the original. Beyond Thunderdome? No. Not at all.

    @Ross Miller

    While I agree most sequels and remakes suck, I think the same thing can be said for original movies, too.

    Plenty of original movies suck, too. I think that we just notice the sequels/remakes more because, as you said, they get the spotlight at the theaters.
  • @ Panda,

    No I didn't say it was, I was just listing a few GOOD sequels. If you notice - "(sometimes, BUT NOT ALWAYS, superior to the originals)"
  • steven the git
    The Mad Max movies got better each time I felt.

    The perfect word is flippant. You get the feeling so many of these remakes and sequels are done without passion and just for the sake of cashing in.
    If people have a story to tell then it works. If not, it is just pap.
  • Panda
    Ross,
    Did you realy say that Back to the Future II was better than the original??? or did I just read that wrong.

    And then what about movies that begged for a sequel (or completion to the story) that never happened? Many will disagree, but Fifth Element should have had a sequel (now it's far too late)- I even read on Wiki that the writer split one story in two (ala Kill Bill). Not that the first isn't good as a stand-alone, I thought even after the first viewing that there has to be more to it.
  • Matt
    i actually am tired of remakes b/c they trade plot for special effects (TDTESS) and usually suck compared to the original, but there are exceptions to that like THE THING, THE FLY REMAKE, and THE MUMMY, granted the sequel to the fly was crap(imo) and the sequels to the mummy were no crap(except the third) but still inferior.
  • JargonJohn
    What's worse is Hollywood's remake of classic TV shows. Bewitched, The Honeymooners, etc. I feel sorry for those shows because they are probably the most butchered source material of all.
  • DarthMalnu
    I come here having just discovered "The Boondock Saints II".... I hang my head in shame. Hopefully soon, people will start coming up with some original ideas and we can just forget this ever happened. Then again, I can't help but wonder what Shrek is up to these days...

    Why don't we just name every film "The land before Time" and get it over with.
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