It’s impossible in science fiction even to have someone from nowhere be send down in the past to impregnate a woman who will give birth to a new child. It HAS to be a different father, otherwise this will never work.

Matrix was awesome, but victory against Skynet was John Connor’s destiny. I just dont understand, if Conor defeats the machines, why are they still coming up with ways to kill the Connors in the past. Did the resistance ever fight against the advanced hordes of terminator bitches from T3? its not all just black and white.

oh and the Sarah Connor chronicles sucked ass

Kyle reece is born into the apocolypse. Forced to work by the machines in labour camps, loading dead humans into furnaces. John Connor starts the resistance and frees the prioners. John and Kyle become friends(unknowing of their real relationship) and start mounting for an attack.
Skynet see victory for the Resistance, so they send the Terminator back through time to attack Sarah, thus making sure Connor is never born.
The resistance send a Machine back through time to protect John, and Kyle sends himself back to protect sarah (John gives kyle a picture of Sarah)
On the mission of protection Kyle falls inlove with Sarah and they concieve John. Kyle then dies protecting Sarah.

Here is the problem: Up untill the point Kyle reece goes back intime, they are on an Unchanged timeline. No one has gone back in time, Kyle hasnt met Sarah, they didnt ‘make love’ and connor was never born.
Connor is conceived because kyle used Time travel to protect sarah. So how can he exist before this event?

Im not slating the movie, i think its EXELLENT!
Its just something that has always bothered me about the plot.
Alot of people have different perspectives on time travel. Some belive in the butterfly effect, others belive you can not change the timeline for anyone but yourself and would thus create a parralel timeline.
I for one, do not know

-1st of all burnt of all skin and living tissue, and

-2nd, his leg was damaged, making him considerably slower

Sarah and Reese could have just eluded the terminator outside since he wasn’t fast enough to get em, then jumped into a car and gotten away. the terminator after that moment would have little chance, unless he intentionally risks exposing himself to humans. That scenario could have saved Reese, maybe for a while at least since he was injured. It is unknown if he was fatally shot. He could have bled out b4 he even received medical care. well, my scenario could have led numerous ways,

-Reese surviving teaching Sarah for a few years and maybe being shot to death by the police when Sarah and Reese try to blow up the factory

OR

-Reese surviving for a few more minutes then bleeding out

but the story would have followed the same path and T2 would have gone as it did, because Reese said “his father dies sometime b4 the war” I’m kind of thinking about the Final Destination theory, that he was destined to die. so my scenarios would have made little difference, except for building a stronger Sarah, because Reese could have taught her so much more.

and i never thought about this until now, but why doesn’t the Terminators CPU chip burn up in T1 when his entire body is engulfed with fire after the Tanker explodes? I know the fire couldn’t be as hot as molten steel like in T2, but machines need cooling units (a fan), like this computer that im now using to prevent it from overheating. its clear to me that his exoskeleton is made out of the hardest metal, withstanding bullet slugs of all shapes and sizes, but i suppose when the metallic skull is ablaze on fire, there would be some open spaces for fire to get through to the chip and burn it up. weird huh!

In T5, i predict the plotline will center around making it to that building where the time displacement (ill call it time machine from now on) thing is. They will have a lot of opposition on many sides trying to prevent them from getting to the time machine. BUT, what bothers me is WHO made the time travel thing possible? was it the humans or the machines? The reason I say that they will have to make it to the time machine is, if the machines built it, they will also have it heavily guarded.

remember in T1, Reese said that Skynet blew the whole thing to hell once he went through. so i think T5 will center around a way to get Reese to the time machine. the producers will this time have to find a guy that comes really close to looking like Reese from T1.

unless I’m mistaken and the plot centers around the victory of the war against the machines. But again, did Reese go back in time b4 the way was won or after? if he went back after the war, then the machines SHOULDN”T be able to send ANY Terminators. if he did go back through time shortly b4 winning the war, then the plot would center around BOTH,

-making it to the time machine
-and the victory against the machines

-Reese travels back and impregnates Sarah
-Judgment Day happens
-war is won
-Reese again travels back

BUT, the cycle (or loop) had to have started somewhere. now that it exists, it cant be stopped because as you all know Reese HAS GOT TO travel back.

and the other thing that bothers me is (assuming the war was won in Reeses future b4 he traveled back to T1), if they (john) have defeated Skynet, why did it send a terminator in the first place. if they had wiped out skynet, they wouldn’t then be able to send any terminator to kill Sarah. -BUT THATS ASSUMING ONLY IF THEY HAVE DEFEATED SKYNET B4 REESE WENT BACK!!!-

and other things.

do you guys think Reese knew he was Johns dad in T1 after he slept with Sarah?

and…Judgment day COULD have been preventable on many occasions

-if only the global internet were shut down b4 skynet took control.
-if all the nuclear warheads globally wouldn’t have been loaded and ready to blastoff (heck if they would have never been invented in the first place)
-if John Kate and the Terminator in T3 would have warned Kate’s dad b4 he pushed the YES button which allowed skynet to become self-aware.

I’ve got a lot more thoughts about this topic. But Jason, I think you’re on the right track. we’ll see what T5 will introduce IF it comes out

till later

1)Why not just kill kyle right off the bat and also conner when he is in skynet? There is no reason to let them live as long as they did, maybe the machines are sadistic?

2) The signal: If the machines know its a trap for the humans how is the heli at the end allowed to just touch down without any anti-air defenses or hunter killers? I dont buy the bull that they were using the signal while conducting operations at skynet. Skynet wouldnt allow the signal to be used against them in that manner, no way!

3) having both targets in the same area skynet would of terminated them and even if they blew up skynet their GLOBAL resources would of just nuked the area if they had any left. That goes for the incredibly absent army at skynet. Again skynet would never compromise their army that way with the signal.

4) skynet would be in control of all our satellites and would of found the human bases and sub control IMMEDIATELY! If skynet was global then there is no way any human bases would be left standing with all of skynets resources to throw at them. Planes just sitting on the tarmak? NO WAY even in WWII they had to hide air stripes and the such, the human bases would of been eradicated by cruise missiles. The only way i can see the bases standing is that sky net has basically total control of everything so letting a few bases operated to eventually find john conner is a logical action from the machines. Let the humans gravitate to the bases instead of playing wack a mole.

5) i do agree with how marcus got to the human base. There are so little humans left that human nature is to gravitate to other humans and seek out their company. Its very logical that eventually marcus would make it to john conner.

6) Chemical warfare not being used? I dont buy this. There would be no humans standing if they released upper air aresols. Maybe the machines want to preserve the earth?

The only explanation that explains all of this is that some part of that womens humanity that runs skynet is still left and the central AI is somehow very sadistic. It has to be some sort of lingering humanity because real machines would of executed Klye and John as soon as they stepped foot inside skynet. John was on camera and kyle was being held down by the machine, they would of been terminated immediately when they both were confirmed on the base, there is no logical explanation to keep them alive for that long. Its only the lingering humanity that gums up the works for skynet.

Frankly, the issue is that John Conner *supposedly* saves humanity from the machines… but how? In the opening scene of T3, we see an older Conner (Nick Stahl)standing with his troops, celebrating the destruction of Skynet in the future. But, thus far, he has failed to do actually do this. So the point of T1 Conner being fathered by someone else (and thus not being capable of winning the war) is moot: T1 Conner was incapable of winning the war, so he sent Kyle back to protect his mother after the 1st terminator is sent back to kill her. This altered the future war, so we now have a new Connor who grows up through T2 & T3, and takes over in TS. He hasn’t ended the war yet, but now he sends Kyle back in time because he now knows this kid is his father. We have yet to see if this Connor can end the war in the present day…

As we all know, time travel at this moment is still only in theory. And there are many conflicting theories. Movies have used several different theories for their movies. McG is assuming that the Terminator universe follows the same time travel rules that Back to the Future used which is that there is only one timeline, and any and all changes made in the past will affect everyone in the future. This is where the grandfather paradox rears its ugly head.

However, from my understanding, Terminator seems to follow the theory in which everytime something is changed, it splits off into its own separate timeline. Meaning no matter how many Terminators Skynet sends back, it’ll never be able to change its present because that timeline already exists. Skynet might form a parallel timeline in which John Connor doesn’t become the leader of the rebels and Skynet wins, but that’s in another timeline so it really makes no difference to the Skynet that actually sent the Terminators back…

So in essence, killing Kyle will really have no effect on John Connor from the current timeline in which they all reside. But it’s a stupid concept for Skynet to know about Kyle’s supposed importance anyway…

McG makes up things as he goes along and has no clue how things work in the terminator universe so you can’t go by anything he says on the matter. He plans on sending harvesters back in time in the upcoming movies (that he’s not even a part of) so that right there tells you how much he understands about it.

Killing Kyle Reese in Timeline 3 won’t erase John Connor from Timeline 3, because the SAME (genetically) Kyle Reese from Timeline 1 already did that in Timeline 2 (as I posted above). I’d advise you to look over what I put down more closely, because you’re not understanding the general concept. As I stated earlier, the reason John Connor says, “Kill Kyle Reese, reset the future, no John Connor.” is because Sarah Connor misunderstands the concept on how time travel works & that’s who he learns from. This is why the question about SkyNet being aware of the alternate timelines was answered by McG the way it was (so yes, all of this WAS intentional).

Also – as for the Heart Transplant

Marcus’s body was donated to Serena Kogan in 2003 for medical research. The fact that he’s got fast regenerating tissue, and functional organs and a brain 15 years later are enough to show that the research done was successful. John Connor being able to take his heart & survive’s not really that big of a stretch, because Marcus’ current body is the product of highly advanced medical research. Totally different than just randomly swapping hearts with another wounded soldier. (Marcus is even aware of this to some degree if he thinks the events of his life through).

And to address the Heart transplant:

Marcus donated his body in 2003 to Sarah Kogan for medical research. The fact that in 2018 he's got swiftly regenerating tissue that's been able to be attached to a metal endoskeleton in addition to possessing organs and a functional brain, makes me think that the initial research that was done on his body was highly successful in the medical field. -Thus his heart being used as a replacement for John Connor's injured one is likely not as huge of a stretch as it would be if you were just flat out swapping hearts between two people, because Marcus' body was engineered on highly advanced medical research.