Marvel’s Black Panther Movie Confirmed? [Updated]

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Marvel Black Panther Movie Marvels Black Panther Movie Confirmed? [Updated]

[Update: There are conflicting reports as to the status of Black Panther.  Scroll down for details.]

Comic book movie rumors are coming hard and fast in the summer 2012 season, and all of them are exciting. There has already been much speculation about plot points of both Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 - what villains will be featured, how they will build towards Avengers 2, etc. – and now we have yet another Marvel movie rumor that is sure to titillate fans:

Word is, one of the yet-unannounced films that Marvel Studios has planned (likely for 2014) is the long-rumored Black Panther movie. Scroll down for details.

Our friends over at Latino Review are continuing to drop exclusives like they’re going out of style, and the latest comes from a handful of their “trusted sources” who all claim that Black Panther is on the way. Also rumored for a 2014 debut have been the long-in-development Ant-Man movie from Edgar Wright, and a Doctor Strange movie. Until we hear official confirmation from Marvel (say… around Comic-Con 2012?), any one of those films (or another unexpected pick) could be fair game for announcement.

For those who don’t know, Black Panther (the alter-ego of T’Challa, prince of the fictional African nation of Wakanda), is a superhero with enhanced strength and agility, who uses his intellect, mysticism, and a variety of technological weapons developed from his country’s primary resource – the metal alloy known as “vibranium” – to fight evil. Basically, he’s like an African version of Batman. The character debuted in 1966 as the first mainstream black superhero, and has been a member of The Avengers since 1968. Many Marvel movie fans have been campaigning for Black Panther to join the Marvel Movie Universe (MMU); we even had him as one of our top picks for characters we want to see in Avengers 2.

This rumor comes as little surprise: A Black Panther project is something that Marvel (and other studios) have been trying to get off the ground for many years. Wesley Snipes was once attached to a Black Panther film Columbia Pictures was developing in the ’90s; more recently, writer Mark Bailey was hired to pen a Black Panther screenplay for Marvel Studios, while  Marvel Animation launched a cartoon version of the character – though that came and went so fast, few people likely know it exists. (You can check out the first episode HERE). In the first season of The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes cartoon – which is a direct echo of the MMU – Black Panther was also a late addition to the team, so clearly, launching the character into the mainstream has been on Marvel’s agenda for some time.

UPDATE: Coming Soon states that their sources inside of Marvel Studios are denying this rumor. Then again, the studio always denies rumors. Marvel denied it when Latino Review revealed the Avengers Thanos news – and we all know how that turned out.

Captain AMerica Black Panther Marvels Black Panther Movie Confirmed? [Updated]

Black Panther vs. Captain America

Black Panther is a character that is beloved with good reason. Simply put: he’s pretty awesome (as African Batman would understandably be). The MMU could also stand to diversify a bit (as it stands, Black Widow is the Avengers entire diversity program, not counting Nick Fury), and the character has many ties to the established Avengers movie universe, as Wakanda gets a quick acknowledgment in Iron Man 2, and Captain America’s shield is constructed from Vibranium – which also happens to be an alien metal. See the picture coming together?

The only question left, is: Who could play the Black Panther at this point? (For the record, guys like Snipes, Djimon Hounsou, Chiwetel Ejiofor and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje are too old, and Idris Elba is already part of the Thor franchise. So set your nominations accordingly.)

We’ll keep you updated as to whether or not anything truly pans out in regards to this Black Panther movie.

Source: Latino Review

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  1. @Vega LOL @ Black Widow, accent.

  2. David Oyelowo an amazing actor but I think he’s a little too baby face and lean for a mature T’challa. For an Orgin Movie think he’d be perfect, but T’challa is going to have to be played by someone with some bulk muscle. (Hemsworth’s muscular). They aren’t going to start off with with a 20 something T’challa but probably more so in him late 30′s early 40′s. I think they going to have his age range right around Stark’s and Banner’s age maybe a little younger. (Although it would be funny if he was older than both but still looked younger lol)

    • @Angelique – If Marvel chooses one of the 4-5 actors i’ve been talking about i would be elated, so call me a little self absorbed haha. I think whoever Marvel chooses will most likely be someone between the mid 20′s to early 30′s if i we’re to guess.

      • Micheal jai white or Brian J. White would be the prefect Black Panthers. They could be Americanized as long as they don’t have the stupid fake accent like Halle berry did in X-men 1

  3. @Kees – Talk has just amped up much more lately about BLACK PANTHER where it’s popped up on multiple sites, which might not mean a damn thing in the end. Yeah the Morris Chestnut story is just out there, but i wonder if Marvel has their eye on this upcoming “42″ film and is ‘Chadwick Boseman’ on their radar, hopefully he is. But who knows what the hell Marvel is thinking or even planning man.

  4. I’m convinced the best man to play T’challa is Tyrese Gibson

  5. @Supes and Ang

    Yes I agree with you. They won’t put a franchise in the hands of a 50yr old. Someone mentioned that BP is going to be bulky. Now they have shown him from one degree or another in various forms of physical fitness, but I think the most accurate build of a man with the agility of a cat is slightly smaller than Captain America, but larger than Spider-Man. Kind of like if Captain America was Guile, BP would be Ryu. Hollywood and professional trainers can bulk and unbulk any actor so my talk is cheap here, but BP fits a more agile build and not a hulking Hemsworth build.

    • @Kees – Great points buddy. Yeah he won’t be a muscular as ‘Thor’ and does’nt have to be since ‘Thor’ is much bigger. Like you said even if the actor Marvel chooses is not cut, he’ll bulk up enough to wehre it’s needed, they do the all the time anyway for Superhero films.

    • Hemsworth’s isn’t Hulk size imo, but they’re not going to get someone who a lean body type either. If the don’t choose Hounsou (Still rooting for him till the day they film)then they should chose someone with his build, or who could work up to that. But, whoever they choose I don’t feel it’ll be to play a 20 year old T’challa unless it’s flashback scene or an origin film.

    • Micheal jai white or Brian J. White would be the prefect Black Panthers. They could be Americanized as long as they don’t have the stupid fake accent like Halle berry did in X-men 1

  6. @Darren – Tyrese Gibson huh, i never thought about that brother. That’s actually not a bad choice, i’ve seen Gibson in some good movies and not so good movies. Seeing Tyrese in films like “Waist Deep”, “Baby Boy” & “4 Brothers” shows that he has the dramatic range and physicallity requirred for the role. And he has been in blockbusters like “Transformers” and “Fast and Furious” so he has name reckonition to go along with it. The real questions with that brother is will he have the screen prensence to pull it off, and at age 34 he’s still young enough to play ‘T’Challa, but by the time they would even potentially start shooting he could be 37-38 so that might really start pressing it.

  7. Hey Ang,

    Sorry. I forgot we were in the Marvel Universe lol. I didn’t mean to use “hulk” in reference to the character. I just meant hulking as in size. Thor is not as big as Hulk, but he is a huge guy (in comics) and he’s still a big giy in the movies compared to the other actors, but BP will not be the same size as Thor. He wasn’t in the comics and he won’t be in the movie. He actualky will be slightly smaller than Cap as he is in the comics as well. Masculine yes, but big? No. I say more on the lean side, but definitely not spiderman lean. I mean the guy mirrors his moves and some of his fighting style on the stealth-like flow of a cat. Its hard to picture a bulky 6ft 5 man leaping off of walls without a sound.

    • Micheal jai white, Brian J. White or Tyrease Gibson would be the prefect Black Panthers. They could be Americanized as long as they don’t have the stupid fake accent like Halle berry did in X-men 1

  8. Also all the other movies were origin stories. I don’t think they will change the format. Im sure everyone would love to see how this young, intelligent, yet hot headed prince gets thrown into king hood without the guidance of his father. That is a lot of pressure on a young man and on top if that, having to be a super hero and discovering what being Black Panther is all about. Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Cap all had origin stories. They aren’t going to stray away from that awesome and winning formula. It also helps new fans to the super hero franchise become familiar with the characters. There is so much to tell about BP and his origins that it would only be fitting to portray him in his early 20s.

  9. My sister says theres a actor on the soap opera General Hospital that would be a perfect Black Panther, I don’t know his name, does anybody know who he is?

  10. @Kees: Agreed! To not do an origin story or at least have some serious flashbacks to a widely unknown character is suicide.

    Kees is on point here. I would be shocked if they tried to tell the story from a 40 year old panther perspective. His beginnings are just too juicy and complicated to pass up.

    • @Kees – Don’t worry they won’t, i doubt Marvel would be stupid enough to start BLACK PANTHER with a 40 year old.

  11. @Supes and Vega

    Maybe we should stop posting here so our ideas won’t get used…for free. Haha. I may have mentioned this in the past, but if we get enough signatures, the same way fans can bring a show back from cancelation, we can have Marvel concider our ideas.

  12. Which excuse or excuses do you believe have kept Marvel from making Black Panther now that superhero movies rule the box office:

    A. Scared of making a movie that won’t attract the ‘right’ demographic
    B. No Passion or desire for the character
    C. Give them time they will ‘get around to it’
    D. BP doesn’t ‘fit’ with what we are trying to accomplish
    E. It won’t do enough at the Box Office to keep them happy

    Cast your vote and tell us which scenario that you believe is playing out right now!

    The excuses we have DEBUNKED already:

    1) Not enough talented actors for the role.
    2) Not enough interesting villains to oppose BP,
    3) The back drop of the film would be almost impossible to create.

    Its your turn to speak, what say you BP fans!!!!

    • @Vegabomber – I’m going to go with option (C) for now my friend, but with caution and a little reservation. (A) would probally be the next most reasonble reason in my opinion, options (D) and (E) should be proven wrong in today’s time. Now if option (B) is Marvel’s reason, than i really truly feel sorry for them and they’re not the visionary and open minded company i hoped they would be. Now if we hopefully get some news at Comic Con this year confirming BLACK PANTHER will be in AVENGERS 2 my choice for option (C) will have been proven to be true.

      • @Supes: I love your optimism and I hope you are right! Right now Marvel is making me plenty nervous. Hopefully after IM3 blows open the Box Office they (Marvel) will be confident enough to at least ‘toss’ Black Panthers name around in some discussion that leaks out to the web.

        • @Vega: I’m trying to be diplomatatic and a little optimistic my friend, eventhough i have blasted Marvel like you have for not including BP yet and will continnue to do so until they do what’s right and include him on the big screen. Man i’m telling you if option(B) is the real reason Marvel has not includded BP, i will want to slap the spit out of Kevin Feige’s mouth and the Marvel studios staff too, and i mean that sh*t too.

  13. @ Vega and everyone else

    Wussup man! That was effin hilarious! In all fairness to the producers, lets at least give them at least one choice of lame excuses with:

    F. We had to let the “major heavy hitter” characters open the doors to give life support to the next phase of characters that soon will appear in the Universe…fair? no?

    Side comments: I’m not bothered at all because he was still a pretty cool and useful character in the movie, but did anyone else besides me feel as if they could have used a younger actor than Jeremy Renner for Halk-Eye and that he should have mirrored his more youthful wisecracking self?

    Second thought is… I’m not sure what kind of lense they used in Tom Cruise’s Minority Report, but I am feeling that style for PB. The lense and the overall Tone of the movie. Anyone who has yet to see that movie, please do. What an intelligent and well made science fiction film.

    • @Kees: Chillin man just chillin. I thought it would be funny to throw out some satire today.

      I agree with you about Hawkeye, they completely wasted him in the movie and Renner was definitely not the best choice for Hawkeye. In fact I can see Renner more as a villain who suffers from short mans disease. He is too serious to be Hawkeye IMHO. Renner comes off like a scrappy guy more so than a precision oriented archer who doesn’t miss. And boy did he get punked by Black Widow in Avengers. In close quarters like that, he wouldn’t have been trying to shoot her with arrows. He also should have overpowered her but that is not the way they wrote it so he came off like a punk. Anyway don’t get me started on the silver screen version of Hawkeye..

      I can’t recall if I saw minority report, nothing that a thing called Netflix can’t fix.

      MAKE THE MOVIE MARVEL

  14. Well I have seen 42 and my verdict is:

    1) It is a GOOD movie just TWO scenes away from being great.
    2) Chadwick Boseman can actually act. He was magnificent.
    3) I was completely entertained and the time flew by.
    4) Harrison Ford just about steals the show (has all the good lines)
    5) Favorite scene the ‘tunnel’ scene GO SEE THE MOVIE IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE

    People, we can officially add Chadwicks name to the list. He is as advertised.

    Chadwick possesses:
    A) the acting chops
    B) the physicality (lean but muscular not bulky or too slight of build)
    C) the swagger and attitude

    As most of you know, Jackie Robinson had such a rage built up inside of him because he could do nothing to his antagonists or else he forfeits the ”guts to carry on and be the bigger person. These play perfectly well with any actor who has to play the calm, but analytical T’Challa who has a rage in his heart for the killer of his father, Klaw. If he were to get the role of BP, he could let out the rage he had to bottle up in 42. I would pay to see that.

    MAKE THE MOVIE MARVEL!!!

    • Vega thanks for sharing your thoughts on the movie “42″ my friend, i’m going to see it next week. I’m a big ‘Jackie Robinson’ fan, obviously the guy broke down color barriers not just for baseball but for sports in general, he’s such a legendary iconic figure with a huge impact in our history. ‘Chadwick Boseman’ in the role of ‘Jackie’ is obviously another reason i need to check this film out, to see if this guy truly has what it takes to play BLACK PANTHER. Judging by your words he does, and i’ll take your word that he’s amazing in the film. “42″ is actually one of my 5 most anticapted films of the year, easily. Judging by it’s box office success it looks like this film is going to be ‘Chadwick Boseman’s’ breakout role. I wonder if Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios has their eye on this, i hope they do.

  15. If you cant get Wesly Snipes only other person id Michael Jai White .

    • Wesley already has Blade, and I thot they were reviving that. Michael Jai just isn’t right for this role

    • I’ve got to hand it to you Wesley Snipes and Michael Jai White fans, you all are certainly persistent. Unfortunately, you are dead wrong about both these guys. As much as I love Djimon, he fits in this group too BUT to his credit he would be the most authentic out of the three aforementioned actors.

      Why? You might ask. Well let me run it down for you one more time.

      1) AGE- Wesley is already 50 yrs old, Djimon is 48 yrs old, MJW is 46 this year. Today it is 2013, and at this moment, there is no script, no director, and no casting managers assigned to the would be BLACK PANTHER movie project. This means that IF they make this movie it wouldn’t start production until sometime in late 2015. Do the math and you see how much older these guys will be. You don’t build a story about old actors when there are sequel possibilities and other movie cameos that could help the film draw new audience demographics. At Best Djimon being the most authentic of the three, could play BP’s father who is killed as the old BP. That would be the best case scenario for Djimon. Djimon = T’Chaka deceased father to the current BP T’Challa.

      2) The role of T’Challa is NOT a role of just martial art mastery. He is an intelligent, and regal King who is extremely loyal to his country and devoted to destroying his father’s killer. So just because Snipes and White have martial arts skills DOESN’T make them a shoe-in for this role. Mr. Snipes and Mr. White aren’t the only black actors who have martial skills. Besides all that, most action stars don’t have martial art skills yet they learn what they can and the cameras do the rest. Its called movie magic.

      3)Robert Downey Jr. is older however his character is mostly CGI. Meaning it is not physically demanding as say BP would be. Also Tony Stark’s age doesn’t matter really, his suits do all the work. BP is a YOUNG African Prince who takes over when his Uncle can no longer uphold the mantle of Black Panther physically. So bringing up Downey’s age or Ruffalo’s age is irrelevant here as you are not comparing apples to apples.

      4) The lead actor for BP has to be able to carry a LEAD role. There needs to be some evidence that an actor can do this. One bad casting mistake and BP becomes Ghost Rider or Daredevil or even worse Catwoman. Chadwick Boseman played Jackie Robinson in the new movie 42. He has all the tools to portray T’Challa correctly as he is a young up and coming force and the role of BP could do it for him, like Thor has done it for Chris Hemsworth.

      Finally, we all want to see the best representation of Black Panther on the screen and to do that Marvel has to take the best guy on the table who is really hitting stride right now. You can make a case for Chadwick, Aldis, David Oyelowo however you would be hard pressed to put MJW, Wesley Snipes, and unfortunately Djimon in the same class with the young up and coming lions who are making their mark on Hollywood NOW! Wesley’s time has come and gone, MJW’s career is mediocre at best, and DJimon was born a little to early for what the project would demand for the reasons stated above.

      Just think about it. Put some real thought into what this role will mean for the BP as a franchise which is Hollywoods love language right now. It is no small task and it has to be damn near perfect or else we will probably never get to see another attempt at BP again.

      NOW MARVEL! MAKE THE DAMN MOVIE ALREADY!

  16. @Vegabomber and Co.,

    How dare you talk about Michael Jai White like that man?!?! Nah just kidding. Well said my friend. I am a harsh critic on dumb black flms because I expect more from us and harsh/tough love weeds out the BS and breeds quality (in my opinion.) As a black male who’s family descends from the Dominican Republic, we don’t have many Afro-Latino heroes or figures in the media and the few we have portray monkey bafoons. The last thing we want is another action Tyler Perry movie. The few times us people of African descent get to be represented in a huge way, we need to take full and correct advantage of it. So with that being said; The three actors mentioned above by many posters here are NOT wise choices for this role. If we are going to make this happen, it needs to be done the right way. Everything Vega has said above, I may have said two or three times already because I am passionate about this non existant project.

    Also to add again to Robert and Mark’s ages and their portrayal of Iron Man and Hulk respectively, They are both accomplished business moguls and scientists. Their ages make sense and are appropriate. To be a prince turned king and follow an amazing origin story, why would you even want a 50yr old playing BP? He’ll be 60 by the 3rd installment. Oh and kudos for choosing a young Captain America (Chris Evans) as well. Hec,I’m a little bothered by 39yr old Amy Adams playing Lois Lane opposite 29yr old Henry Cavill (Kal-El)in Man of Steel. ‘Bout time the third installment comes out, she’ll be in her late 40s… She’s cute as hell now, but her age will show by then…smh.

  17. I think we need to be careful about lumping Djimon Hounsou in the group of actors who would be unwise choices. Djimon Hounsou embodies this character in every way shape and form possible. But even I have had to go back and say that his age might (might) be a conflict and that would be the only thing keeping him from this role. Marvel has truly missed the opportunity of a lifetime by waiting to long. Djimon Housou would have immortalized this role forever. Now we’ll have to wait for someone else to come along who might (might) be somewhere close on the radar to Djimon’s skill, look, grace and regal personality. Either way I don’t see Djimon not being involved in this film in some way. I believe he will be an incarnation of the black panther, even if it is a younger version of T’Chaka. I would truly love to see some T’chaka and Captain America interaction. So instead of lumping Djimon into a group of unwise choices, (because he is the ultimate perfect choice) lets try and think of an actor who can match Djimon’s caliber in all aspects for this role. Frankly it’s slim to none imo when it comes to the T’challa.

    • @Angelique: Notice that I did say that Djimon was the more authentic choice than either Snipes or White. We are in agreement there. I am a big Djimon fan and he WOULD have been perfect 10 years ago but as it stands today, he would be an unwise choice to play the young prince T’challa. Just as unwise as if you casted Snipes or White albeit for different reasons. That was the point I was making.

      Regarding Djimons characteristics, there is only one Djimon just like there is only one Robert Downey Jr, so it would be unfair to expect someone to embody what Djimon does. Instead we should be looking for someone young like, Boseman, Hodge, Oyelowo for example to bring THEIR talents to the silver screen.

      It is time for the next generation to shine, and if given a chance, they will. Snipes, White, and yes Djimon all had their chance to shine and each man did what he could and succeeded on some levels as far as success in Hollywood goes for a minority actor.

      Now is the time to see who the next Denzel, or Morgan Freeman is and any one of the young cats I listed could be him but we wouldn’t know if we trot out the same old three minority action stars from years past.

      That’s all there is too it.

      • I understand what you, but there’s no doubt Marvel has possibly missed a great opportunity. I have some personal goals of my own I’m trying to achieve and would love to work on this movie when it because a reality. I went school for theatre and I’ve worked for Disney for a few years. I’m on a break right now but I’ve been planning to go back and work for Marvel on my next internship. This would be my dream job!

        • @Angelique: I agree, Marvel is slipping and they possibly are missing out on a great opportunity. That’s why I come here. That is to say to be an ACTIVE voice that says exactly what we want as it relates to Marvel properties showing up on the silver screen. If we make enough noise about it, Marvel will hear about it. And if they think they can make some money on BP then they will do it but WE have to let them know we are ready and that BP will be the best risk they could ever take as the ‘superhero’ fad roles into Hollywood for awhile.

          I hope you can get your dream job at Marvel. What position do you want in the organization?

  18. @Vegabomber and Co.,

     How dare you talk about Michael Jai White like that man?!?! Nah just kidding. Well said my friend. I am a harsh critic on dumb black flms because I expect more from us and harsh/tough love weeds out the BS and breeds quality (in my opinion.) As a black male who’s family descends from the Dominican Republic, we don’t have many Afro-Latino heroes or figures in the media and the few we have portray monkey bafoons. The last thing we want is another action Tyler Perry movie. The few times us people of African descent get to be represented in a huge way, we need to take full and correct advantage of it. So with that being said; The three actors mentioned above by many posters here are NOT wise choices for this role. If we are going to make this happen, it needs to be done the right way. Everything Vega has said above, I may have said two or three times already because I am passionate about this non existant project.

     Also to add again to Robert and Mark’s ages and their portrayal of Iron Man and Hulk respectively, They are both accomplished business moguls and scientists. Their ages make sense and are appropriate. To be a prince turned king and follow an amazing origin story, why would you even want a 50yr old playing BP? He’ll be 60 by the 3rd installment. Oh and kudos for choosing a young Captain America (Chris Evans) as well. Hec,I’m a little bothered by 39yr old Amy Adams playing Lois Lane opposite 29yr old Henry Cavill (Kal-El)in Man of Steel. ‘Bout time the third installment comes out, she’ll be in her late 40s… She’s cute as hell now, but her age will show by then…smh.

    • @Kees: Amen, I agree with all you just said, or typed.

      Come on Marvel bring us the BLACK PANTHER NOW!!

    • Vega and Kees, what’s happening my Screenrant blood brothers haha, always a pleasure to hear from you dudes. You guys already know i’m in heavy agreement with you both on many things pertaining to BLACK PANTHER and what actors best fit the role to play him. Angelique your real cool too, your passionate about this just like we are and many others on this site. And yes Marvel is blowing it big time by not announcing BLACK PANTHER, the longer they go without confirming BP the more racist they look in my eyes. Now if BP is indeed on their agenda and he’s introduced soon like in “Avengers 2″, than i’ll take back my last comment, but if not one has to start wondering about that company. Another key reason for adding BP besides the diversity he would bring to this line up and being the fact that he a badass character period, is the fact that RDJ is starting to approach the end of his run, and soon so will Sam L, Hemsworth, Evans, Johannson, Renner, Ruffalo and so on. They won’t be around forever, and it would be very wise for Marvel to start introducing new characters so movie audiences can get used to seeing them, and grow interest in them so they can invest in the characters like they have for the other ‘Avengers’ so far. Introducing ANT-MAN & GOTG will not be nearly enough, i can tell you that now. Not only do we need to see BP on the big screen, but LUKE CAGE too, we need a HEROES FOR HIRE film as well. Marvel you don’t have many great frontline black Superheros as it is, so stop being stupid and ignorant and get started on bringing them to the big screen. I’ve mentioned this many times on Facebook and Twitter and will continue to do so. If BLADE 1 & 2 can gross over 70 & 80 million domestic at the box office, and that was 15 and 11 years ago, imagine what a BLACK PANTHER & HEROES FOR HIRE film could potentially do at the box office now. And both BP & LUKE CAGE are far more known to the public than BLADE was 15 years ago.

      • @Super 70: What up doc? Thanks for the shout out. You know I am right there with you on most points about BP. I can also get with your notion of a Heroes for Hire movie. That would be the first Marvel buddy hero movie. And with MMA being so big today, Ironfist would totally capture that demographic with all of his martial art mastery.

        You are right, our only hope to see BP on the screen soon would be the 2015 Avengers 2 movie which is two years away from now. I need Marvel to renew my hope in them because I am tired of not hearing anything new on Black Panther.

        • @Vega – Always man, i would be excited as hell to see ‘Iron Fist’ too man. That would be the ultimate buddy movie with him and ‘Luke Cage’, i can just picture those two being badass on the screen man. I really do hope Marvel has the common sense to introduce ‘Black Panther’ in “Avengers 2″, i’m getting kinda sick of seeing Kevin Feige’s stupid face and no remarks or nothing about BP.

  19. Hey Supes and Vega,

    I’m so serious about this, let’s get a petition together, get some signatures ans let’s make this happen!

    • @Kees – Hey i’m with you there man, it would be awful to have to petition Marvel for not using a great character they obviously need to do. Every step Marvel has taken so far has been perfect except for their obvious resistance on bringing LEAD Black super heroes to the screen, while they’re hitting homeruns every where else, they’re stricking out in that category. Don’t get me wrong now, i love Marvel and i will be in the theater early afternoon on May 3rd for “Iron Man 3″ and the same with “Thor: The Dark World”. I just want characters like ‘Black Panther’ & ‘Luke Cage’ to take precendence for a change and not be put on the backburner like some damn 3rd string line up by Marvel, that’s all. Using only sidekick black characters like ‘War Machine’, ‘Heimdall’ & ‘Falcon’ is not enough, that’s just not gonna cut it in the long run.

  20. Peter Mensah AKA Doctore from spartacus

    • @Jahten – For ‘T’Chaka’ this dude would be great, but at 53 he’s much too old for the role of ‘T’Challa’ obviously.

  21. Hey Supes, Vega and Co.,

    So it is crystal clear, whether we are Michael Jai White Fans or not, we all want to see BP on the big screen. Not even TV, but BIG! I’ve notice that some of us here feel that there may be some issues with seeing this particular super hero on the screen due to them feeling a black super hero can’t hold his own. Now do we all truly believe this or is it due to our passion that we feel the slightest eye roll at BP is something or someone trying to keep a brotha down? Just raising this question for us to think a little bit.

    Blade is the movie that kicked off the whole Marvel revival on the big screen. He is black. He also is a black leather-wearing vampire. Who doesn’t love a dark, action vampire flick? Regardless he is a black character and was embraced. Besides blade, what I’ve noticed is that most of the other black characters throughout Marvel and DC Universe aren’t well rounded individuals who just happen to be black. They’re race is connected to their identity. Something that writers couldn’t shake in the 60s and 70s when most of these characters were created. Even Luke Cage has this 70s Harlem identity. Black Panther is an African Warrior. There aren’t any black characters who are simply super heroes from a middle class suburban family or doesn’t have anything afro-ethnic died to their identity. That in itself is hard to shake or to cross-over into mainstream. There aren’t many new black characters who are cool super heroes who just so happens to be black besides some of the lesser known characters like Night Thrasher, the new Aqua Lad and Static Shock. In order to add more in-depth black characters to these fictional universes that aren’t stuck in the 60s and 70s, Marvel and DC has changed many of their white characters black. Most of these changes were done in cinema and then is translated into print. Should we still have ill feelings forwards Disney, Marvel, Sony, WB and all these other companies involved in making super hero movies if they’ve been turning many iconic characters black from being traditionally white even though they are just supporting cast members? Do we really think a character like BP could have easily been a hit on its own prior to the Avengers or do we realistically understand that BP needs a kick start from the Avengers movies to break ground? Wilson Fisk, Electro, Nick Fury, Cat Woman, Perry White…all iconic white characters turned black in cinema. People clearly want to see blacks step it up as super heroes. Turning Aqua Lad black in the recent Justice League comics and making his character the leader of Young Justice. John Steward’s roll in Justice League Unlimited was powerful and he was the most emotional character on the show. I kind of feel like the issue here isn’t the guys in the corner office not wanting to see these characters shine, I think it is trying to create a modern character out of black super heroes who are stuck in by-gone eras and making them relevant now. Most of our most popular black super heroes have afros or are African. Nothing wrong with that, but that is how people viewed them in the 60s and 70s and that is so outdates. Oh and former drug dealers and street hustlers. Why can’t a cool kid or need from a good family have powers and just so happens to be black (mutant)? They would have to change the entire bio of many of these characters to make them more “now”.

    Anyway my point is, That may be some of the reasons for a delay in many of the black super hero characters besides most of them not being as popular as we feel they should be. Making them so militant and black fist raising was great 40yrs ago, but has held them back progressing characters. Only one that has evolved is African Storm.

    BP might be the only one who needs to stay in his element because if you take him out of it, he pretty much won’t be BP, but he does need the jump start from an Avengers movie or the other characters’ films to create mass buzz.

    I do feel these movie companies are trying. Especially with turning many white iconic characters black and not making their race an issue. We just have to be patient and wait. Things will be done right and we’ll be satisfied. I’m positive in that.

    • @Kees: Thanks for the thought provoking question. I am going to answer honestly and fairly as much as it is possible.

      I agree with you that some of the black superheroes are kind of out of date however the problem with that is, so is Captain America, Superman, Spiderman etc. So really that is not a valid excuse. Movies are magic, you can easily overcome the ‘datedness’ of source material with a little creativity.

      Also turning white characters black is a slippery slope in my opinion. I like Nick Fury, Heimdal, Fisk, Electro and so on as white characters. Is Nick Fury interesting as Samuel Jackson, sure if you are into Mr. Jackson but who is to say that Viggo Mortensen or some other actor wouldn’t have been equally impressive. The world will never know. I wouldn’t want them to make Luke Cage or Black Panther white. Imagine the Joker as a black man, could be interesting, but I am not feeling that.

      I have already said that BP is a movie that needs to come out now. This isn’t about the color-barrier for me as much as it is about the timing. As I have said, at some point the casual fans will get burnt out of all these superhero movies and they will want something else. The populace is fickle, just look at how fast musical groups come and go, how fast fashion changes, and even street slang changes rapidly. No one says, ‘That’s dope!’ anymore, people use words like boss, epic, fail, and butt-hurt now. If Marvel attempts to make ‘BP’ in 2017 when the epic-ness of superhero movies starts to fade a bit then Black Panther will be relegated to ‘See I told you he wasn’t popular enough to have his own movie.’ Timing is so important. See George Lucas.

      Lastly, the squeaky wheel gets the oil, I think it is important to hold Marvel accountable to producing its best characters (they may not sell the most comic books) and do so while the ‘getting is good.’ Or else we will need to have a strong minded producer who won’t take no for an answer and make the movie that is obviously a winner giving the state of how well superhero movies are being perceived at the moment.

      Marvel has made some good movies BUT that doesn’t mean that they see the full picture clearly. In fact it would be easy to keep marching out Ironman, Thor, Cap, and Avenger movies because at least the evidence shows those movies will make money. So far that is what they are doing, which then makes it easy for them to over look, BP, Ms.Marvel, and Heroes for Hire and not lose any sleep because they can always say, ‘Hey we made a lot of money off what we did do so who cares about the B team superheroes.’

      I hope none of this is the case however the evidence doesn’t look in favor of a Black Panther or Ms Marvel movie at the moment. I won’t believe it till I see at least a couple of the following things: movie trailer, a director, a script and a cast ensemble. Its time for Marvel to put their money where their mouth is. There is no reason why this movie and others like it can’t be made given their successes thus far. They can afford to take risks now, and I am not talking about ANTMAN risks or GoTG risks but Black Panther and Ms. Marvel type risks. Ya dig!

      MAKE THE DAMN MOVIE MARVEL!

      • Vega you make more good points, i’m sure Comicbook films will start dying down by ’2017 neccessarly, it definantly depends on the quality and filmmakers staying creative and being visionary. You make a good point about Marvel marching out “Iron Man”, “Thor” & “Cap” films over and over, they can’t keep doing that either. That will become too common, repeative and kill the genre in the long run. That’awhy it’s up to Marvel in particular to the have the common sense to introduce different character s of the ‘General Audience’ can get a feel for them. You can’t just follow ‘Iron Man’ & company coattails forever, you burn out like a candle doing that, and ‘Feige’ and Marvel should no better than to do that. No making “GOTG”, “Ant-Man” & epecially “Dr. Strange” are step in the right direction, but they have to expand more than that. As i was saying before introducing new memebers like ‘Black Panther’ & ‘Ms. Marvel’ in “Avengers 2″ would be perfect, so than when you make their solo films you won’t have to worry about the audience getting to know them, they will have already gotten well aquainted with them in “Avengers 2″. All Marvel has to do is use some ‘Common Sense’ and introduce them in “Avengers 2″, it’s not that damn hard and not that tough of a challenge, some on ‘Joss Whedon’ step your game up and do it. You can get away with changing some characters race like ‘Nick Fury’, ‘Heimdall’ & ‘Perry White’, but frontline superheroes & villians, never.

    • Kees what’s up bro, always good to hear from you. The points you make are spot on my friend, obviously with Marvel changing ‘Nick Fury’ and ‘Heimdall’, a lesser known character both black is cool and all, and seeing ‘War Machine’ & ‘Falcon’ grace the big screen is cool too. Now i don’t want to sound like i’m just ranting and ungreatful to Marvel because i’m not, and i love what they have done so far. I’m also more than happy with Marvel kicking the film universe off with ‘Iron Man’, ‘Hulk’, ‘Thor’ & ‘Cap’, those are the ‘Big Four’ of “The Avengers” so that was a must. But now that the “The Avengers” was a mosnter and the Marvel Movie Universe has been completely established, it would be great to see ‘Black Panther’ introduced in “Avengers 2″, it’s just time. Marvel is on fire right now and ‘RDJ’ won’t be around forever, strike while the iron is hot, no pun intended, lol. I would absolutely love to see a “Black Panther” and “Heroes For Hire” film as part of ‘Phase 3′. Michael Jai White’ as ‘T’Challa’ i don’t really see, but i could definatly see him as ‘Luke Cage’ which i would actually love to see, him or ‘Terry Crews’ would be great for that role in my honest opinion. I agree with you about ‘Ms. Marvel’ in a solo film, that won’t happen anytime soon, but i can definantly see her in ‘Avengers’ sequels easily. I think ‘Black Panther’, ‘Ms. Marvel’, ‘Ant-Man’, ‘Wasp’ & ‘Vision’ are definante must haves in the next two “Avengers” sequels. Now ‘Scarlett Witch’, ‘Quicksilver’, ‘Sentry’ & ‘Quasar’ would make for some cool additions as well down the road, especially if “Avengers” goes the comics route and makes the team have interchangable members.

  22. @Vega

    Good to hear from you big guy (even if you’re not a big guy lol).

    All very good points. Out of the “mid-card” or “B-Class” heroes, BP def is the most realistic and viable of the bunch. I honestly am having trouble seeing Ms. Marvel on the big screen holding her own movie, but she might be cool in the mash-up doing similar support roles like Hawk Eye or Black Widow. I was hesitant about Cage and Fist at first, but the buddy action flick with them two would actually be pretty cool. It reminded me of Gregory Hines and Billy Crystal, or even Mel Gibson and Danny Gover. I’m feeling that now. Unknown but well recieved actors and the budget will be modest since they have low-leveled powers…why not right?

    I’m with you on the timing. I think the timing is perfect now. I don’t think the timing was right a few years ago, ten years ago etc.

    I’m sure there have been racial issues in the past, but I think now it is more about timing and the simple fact that many of the black heroes just aren’t/weren’t popular enough to gamble on in mainstream and comic crowds to gamble on.

    In regards to the change of color on super heroes, villains and support cast members, I think its cool, but most importantly, I like the fact that it was done without it being an issue. When color no longer becomes a novelty is when we’ve successfully achieved some form of equality and I feel the studios who made the effort to do it and not make an issue of it gets a pat on the back from me. Also they wisely chose characters that can be portayed by or anyone. Fury was changed to black in the comics first and they decided to adapt that version to the big screen. I can’t front. It made him so much cooler. Vigo is a great actor, but they built that new Fury character around Sam and black Fury has become more populer in the comics and in the movies. That acceptence is great. I guess what I appreciate it is that it is done without making a case about it and that in itself proves that were are making strides.

    We are a fickle species. I tell people that all the time when it comes to fashion, social entertainment, music, etc. We build up and destroy careers because of our change in taste all the time, but one thing that don’t get blown out of style are action movies. Yes super hero flicks are kind of a niche on its own, but action movies in general will never become played out. As humans we are tuned into violence of any kind. Whether it is a black-ops team or a super hero team. Super Hero movies have been made since the 1910s. Super Hero movies on the big screen have been making money since the 50s. The most recent mega super hero movies can be thanked to Tim Burton’s batman or maybe even the Christopher Reeve Super Man. It is just getting hotter. I doubt BP will miss the boat because the boat will circle back a million more times so no need to worry in comic movies becoming played out. They’ve been around since the beginning of Cinema (Zorro, Long Ranger, BatMan, SuperMan) and aren’t going anywhere any time soon.

    Are you sure you don’t read comics or do you, but just not religiously? To be passionate about characters like Luke and Iron Fist takes some late night reading with the flash light lol.

    • @Kees: I happen to be a big guy so you have guessed correctly. (lol)

      Regarding Ms. Marvel and Heroes for Hire, Ms. Marvel will work in the MOVIE universe because she is a female that rocks regardless that she happens to be a superhero. She is belongs in the same club as Laura Croft, Salt, Girl with that dragon Tattoo, Resident evil chick etc in that it is a female lead character that women and girls will look up to if done right. The hunger games is another example of a badass chick. I’m no one had heard of Hit-girl before the Kiss Ass movie and now they are doing a sequel. So its not about what a fanboy thinks of Ms. Marvel rather it is more how the character is sold to a female dominated fan base that is rapidly paying attention to comic book movies now. For heavens sake they made an Electra movie……Ms. Marvel is more of a boss than Electra. Marvel can out maneuver DC again by being the first to make a female superhero…..Chicks are dying to see this on the screen as much as us ‘people’ of color are looking forward to BP.

      The racial issues that you mention didn’t stop Blade from being made in 1998 so are we not further along now in 2013? Besides racism didn’t stop it just went underground and it still rears its ugly head from time to time.

      As it relates to changing the ethnicity of certain characters in the movies and comic books, I believe that Sam Jackson is over exposed, he is basically playing the same character in most of his movies, the angry mad black man who bugs out his eyes when he wants to be hostile. I am not ready to say that this is Hollywood trying to ‘even up’ the diversity ratio. Just because you but a black person in a film doesn’t mean you have achieved some sort of ‘racial’ equality. Especially if all the roles you put the black man in are supporting roles or worse villians. Again, without seeing anyone else playing the role of Nick Fury, its kind of hard to say that Samuel Jackson’s version is the best one, its more that he is more likable and familiar due to his role in Pulp Fiction. Snakes on a plane and that pathetic shark movie he did was absolute garbage.

      About fickleness, I think its a bit naive to say that action movies aren’t fad-ish at times because they are. The number one movies or Oscar nominated films usually aren’t action films although most movies have a bit of action in them. I think you are changing the argument a bit here because my comment was about SUPERHERO movies which happen to have action in them but not every action movie is a superhero movie so here is were your argument doesn’t apply. I am not talking about action movie directly, I am talking about superhero movies and they are no different then any other kind of fad because fads exist in every type of media. I never said that superhero movies would go away completely BUT that like every fad it will hit a peak and then bottom out. Donner’s Superman hit its peak in Superman I and II and then it fell off horribly. Tim Burton’s Batman brought it back in the late eighties and then Batman movies fell off after the second Batman. It was a seven year break before we saw a really good Batman movie again and that was because the Sam Rami Spiderman movies brought superhero movies back. CGI and better story telling helped change the superhero genre forever. War movies hit big with Full Metal jacket then died hard until Saving Private Ryan came out and all the other war flicks. So there truly is a roll-a-coaster love affair with films also and it should be because it is the same people being fickle about their clothes, slang, and music choices.

      Yeah I read comic books but I am not like a super nerd about it. I am a super nerd about movies especially well crafted movies which communicate and express a great story that movie people to feeling something be it triumph or tragedy.

      • Vega good points as usual my freind. And yes if ‘Blade’ who was relatively unknown to those outside the comic book circle can hit the big screen back in’98 and be a success, you would think ‘Black Panther’ & ‘Luke Cage’ would really flourish in today’s comic book film boom. While i think “X-Men(2000) was the first film to prove that CBM’s outside of ‘Batman’ could be blockbusters, “Spider-Man”(2002) was the first CBM that really truly exploded since “Batman”(1989). You we’re right about the War movies dying off after “Full Metal Jacket” until “Saving Private Ryan”, you just forgot to mention “Platoon” that came out a year befor “FMJ”, that film was huge at the box office and won for ‘Best Picture’.

  23. “Iron Man 3″ is going to be an absolute monster at the box office, probally the biggest movie of 2013. “Thor: The Dark World” & “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” will be big smashes as well. All 3 films should easily top the box office numbers of their predecessors, and “Avengers 2″ will just be in another stratosphere haha, i can’t even imagine how much money that will take in at the box office. With the immense money that will come from these sequels, Marvel should be more than confident enough to bring ‘Black Panther’ & ‘Luke Cage’ to the big screen. When you have more success you should be willing to make more chances, and as far as i’m concern chances like these will be real beneficial to Marvel in the long run, they’ll be looked back on as true groundbreakers, the studio that introduce ‘Black Superheroes’ and made them household names to millions of fans, just imagine.

    • @ Supes: Agreed! When you are making movies that are successful you should be trying to take more risk. To me the only risk that you can take that will lead to ultimate greatness is to take on the risk of doing a Black Panther movie and also a Ms. Marvel movie. Why? Both for the same reason the Black demographic with BP and the female demographic with Ms. Marvel. If Marvel could get both of those movies to break the $300 million club (domestically) perhaps and extra $450 million internationally then that would make Marvel the greatest franchise ever while breaking down some
      ‘culturally constructed’ walls at the same time as it relates to leading protagonist in a film.

      Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, Tyler Perry proved that black people will spend money at the box office and Hunger Games, Salt, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider proved that women lead protagonist can hold their own too if done right.

      At some point, one of the movie houses is going to figure out that the first one who goes to market with a Black superhero or a Female superhero is going to rake in the dollars. Why? Because the others will become old hat and both of these two films will sake that up.

      Finally, How do we know that a Super-girl movie wouldn’t do better than a Superman movie. Imagine if a Super-girl movie was able to attract the Titantic crowd…yeah it was mostly females that watched that movie over and over again. Who says a Ms. Marvel can’t do the same thing with alot less sappy-ness but a lot more punchy-ness. Just saying….gotta think outside the box. Sheesh if a black Nick Fury can work why can’t a Hot Blond who looks good in spandex can’t own in the box office. It worked for Baywatch.

      I know I would pay to see that than a talking tree and gun toting raccoon.

      • Vega it’s no coincidence how we tend to see eye to eye so much bro. Obiously we’re at the highest point we’ve been in CBM, after 2008 i was’nt sure if it could get any higher but it has. Right now i think the ‘General Audience’ is just anamored and totally captivated by CBM’s, especially Marvel. Because CBM’s has far exceeded the ‘Basic’ fanboy base and has ventured out to become a true pop culture phenomenon, you can take more chances now. If Joss Whedon and Marvel continnues to bring it which i think they can, the “Avengers” films will become the “Star Wars” franchise of modern day pop culture, it’s ceilling is unbelivably high. If Marvel introduces ‘Black Panther’ & ‘Ms. Marvel’ in the “Avengers 2″ like they should, the ‘General Audience’ will absolutely eat those characters up, no doubt in my mind about that.

  24. Here we go: http://nerdreactor.com/2013/04/22/first-look-at-halle-berry-in-x-men-days-of-future-past/ Hearing that Black Panther might be in this one too……Storm’s hair gets shorter and shorter with every movie

  25. @Vega and Supes

    The more you guys talk about it, I am really feeling Heroes for Hire. Not a goofy action comedy, but with some Lethel Weapon feel. I’m sold on that!

    In regards to female super heroes. You’re right. They need one to step up. DC actually has tried a fiew times with Super Girl (Come on you have to remember that one. I was like 5yrs old when that came out, but I remember that trash like it were yesterday!), Catwoman (Horrible too) and they had the Birds of Prey Series featuring Oracle (Barbara Gordon), Huntress and some young metahuman. Marvel tried, but failed with She Hulk in the mid 80s. We (humans) just weren’t ready yet. So there have been plenty of attemps, but all these either were short lived or just weren’t well made. Oh yea and add Elektra like you said. They are playing it smart with sneaking Black Widow in there to open doors again, then adding Ms. Marvel eventually into the Avengers movies at some point (if done well) would be cool too. We know there are ways to incoprorate B characters into the mainstream, but They are looking at it from a business perspective which is understandable.

    Chicks are looking for Ms. Marvel? Cool! I don;t really know any females who are into comics. Comic movies yes. Comics no. So whoever these females are that you know who know that Ms. Marvel exists. Kudos to them.

    Saying action movies are a fad is not naiive. I think its naiive to think that its a passing fad when history and present serves itself that action movies are here to stay, ESPECIALLY its sub genre of super hero movies. And I never said every action movie is a super hero movie, I said Super Hero movies are always an action movie, not the other way around and most people love action which super hero movies are and places them under the umbrella. Not the other way around. I was pretty clear about that. Batman is the same movie as Die Hard but the lead actor is wearing a cape. Point Blank, super hero movies are not going anywhere. The Academy Awards snubbing action movies has been notorious for decades until they started to lose ratings and expanded their palet so not sure where you were going with that one. I’m a strong spporter of well made movies which is why I am so harsh on black movies that are not well made. Well movies period, but when you bomb with a black movie, it kind of sets people of African descent back a bit. Although we can also look at it like this: Chris Rock said it best. We didn’t make it when Jacke Robinson broke barriers. We made it when there were enough blacks where some actually weren’t even that good. (I still hate a poorly made movie though, but I get Chris’ point!) We, the masses love acton movies and none of us are on the Academy board, nor are we the snubbers that select which films get nominated. They are an entirely different breed of movie watcher compared to the average casual person. I am heavy into independent, story driven and character developed films, but I love my car explosions. Super Man sanked at 3 and 4 because they were made horribly. That did not apply to the super hero genre. Just that series. Super Heroes were still large and in charge on the small screen and Marvel was still trying to pull off movies with their properties but did not have the budget that DC had with its partnering with WB. Same with the Batman films They were good during 1 and 2 but did not fall off, they were made bad. Falling off or reaching a peak is not the same as being made like crap. While the batman movies were being made like crap, Blade and Spider Man were coming up elsewhere. So its not the genre, its individual films. You’ll know when a fad is happening when despite a well-made effort, sales are declining across the board, not just when the movies are made like crap which even then, the crappy super hero movies make a lot of money. I never really had an argument to begin with, but if you are referring to my disagreement with you saying super hero movies are a fad, then yes I don’t believe they are. History has proven that. Crappy super hero movies ruin the taste in people’s mouths, yes, but noone is running from them. War movies is definately a passing fad, That is a serious and toughy subject and the graphic nature of war movies, people can only take (I assume) every so often. So to an extend, you definately are right about war movies. It depends on the change of times I guess. Like Westerns and such forth. We have upgraded our cowboys to commandos in the 80s and cool cops in the 90s…etc..etc… Either way Super hero clicks are feel good across the board. Hec you even just said females are heavy on it and I didn’t even know that. I think thats awesome. Well to sum up my point, Action in general is a genre that will continue to sell tickets and never go out of style, some action movies with costumed figures running around won’t either, not just because I don’t feel it will any time soon, but because it’s been proven throughout the history of cinema. The concept of a figure who comes in to save you under an alias has been around for almost 200yrs, prob even longer. I’m just saying, I know Robert is getting older, but don’t worry, BP isn’t going to miss the boat.

    LOL at Sam’s movies. Sam isn’t the only one who has made some bad movie choices in his career, leave the old man alone. Oh he’s getting old too. He’s almost 70. We can’t replace him. He is that character now on and off the screen.

    Oh yea Iron Man 3 is going to be HUGE!!!! Oh man I am so excited for that movie! I am begging to please have a better script than Iron Man 2 (crap)!

    • @Kees: You were doing well till you got offended by my ‘naive’ comment. Let me clarify as you clearly are misunderstanding what I mean by fad.

      Fad means something that comes and goes and consequently can comes back again and go away again. In other words it is consistently inconsistent.

      I never said it was a ‘passing’ fad, those are your words which I suspect that’s how you interpreted the word fad.

      Clearly history shows that all forms of media hit certain high points and low points. Right now (for CBMs) the needle is HIGH which means a low is coming as no particular genre has maintained such a frequency in anything. You agree that people are fickle. Well that makes my point my friend.

      Point in case, when Scary Movie came out in 2000, it had an opening of $48 Million, the second one did $20 million but the third one had the highest opening of $48, fast forward to today, Scary movie opened up at $14 million. You see it was high then went low i.e. the same people who saw the first four somehow had no interest in seeing a fifth. And that can happen to any movie, even the Avengers. Its not likely right now because it is obviously on a high but lets look at the numbers for Avenger 4 or 5. History shows us that it is hard for movies to sustain that same ‘fickle’ audience. Why do you think they are so worried about Superman?

      Look at Superman, the first one comes out in 78 and does $134 million and on fewer screens then the second one does $108 million but was on more screens, then the last one Superman 4 comes out in 87 (just 9 years later) and only does $15 million even though it was on more screens than the first. Superman returns comes out in 06 and only does $200mil even though it is on 3x as many screens as its predecessor and this is 20 years after the last one. We can look at the Hulk but it pretty much does the same thing. What happened to all those Superman fans, especially in 2006 when Spiderman and Batman Begins had put comic book movies back on the map? Fickle. These are facts, it is history and this is what I am basing my presuppositions on. My argument is NOT that superhero movies are going to go away completely or that action movies are going to go away completely, its more than extremely obvious that they are still around. My point is that all movies no matter than genre can get hot and can cool off at various stages of time. The pop audience is fickle. The fan boy is not, he will watch a Batman movie every year if they would produce one but the average movie loving crowd will not. That is all I was saying.

  26. Kees i have a feeling we’re not going to have to worry about “Iron man 3″, form everything i’ve been hearing about it so far is that it’s fantastic and may be even better than the first “Iron Man”, that would be great if it’s true. Me and a homie will be in the theater early friday afternnon to catch it, and most likely more than once, haha. As far as ‘Sam L’ goes the brother’s set, he signed a 9 picture deal with Marvel if i’m not mistaken. “Captain America: TWS” will be his 6th appearance, so that will leave him with 3 films to go.

    • @ Supes: I agree, we don’t have to worry about Iron Man 3 and I suspect Man of Steel will do well mainly because Nolan is involved and he is a winner and partially because the Marvel movies are doing well.

      Thor is an unknown at this point because it is coming out in November and not the summer like all of its predecessors so I don’t know.

      I will be very interested to see what happens with Cap, only Hulk did worse than Cap and I wonder if the “Public” not fanboys will make it a point to be there for round 2 which is usually the weakest movie (think Empire) though it might be the better movie script wise. Just don’t know.

  27. @ My Supes and Vega

    A Super Girl movie was already made in the 80s and hit theaters everywhere, but it didn’t do well because the 80s just weren’t ready for it. It was too soon. Also the script was horrible, but noone found that out til after they saw the movie so thats irrelavant lol.

    Also I feel Blade did so well even though he was an unknown character to the mainstreet audience because he was a vampire first and a marvel comic second. He just so happened to be based on a Marvel Super hero and didnt need the Marvel association to do well. Just Wesley and Vampire lovers were needed. Pretend Blade wasn’t birthed from a comic book, How cool is the concept had movie producers come up with that idea? Very cool, which is why they went with it and why it was successful. What is awesome though is that he was indeed a black character and its cool that he broke down the walls for Marvel super heroes to be taken seriously. Movie studios were scared to bank on Marvel comics because they just didn’t have the novelty players like Batman and Super Man. Blade helped let the studios know its okay to invest in these comics the way DC does. Now its just the matter of reversing that favor back to the lesser characters and informing Marvel and Disney that its okay to spend some money on the lesser known characters. Kind of did a 180.

    • Kees you and Vega continnue to amaze me my friend with your spot on points and analysis. To put it straight, you cats know your sh*t, excuse the language there, haha. It just was’nt the right time for “Supergirl”, because by the time her movie was made the “Superman” films had begun to falter and fade off badly. Plus the writers and producers did her no favors with a very weak script and terrible directing. Maybe after ‘Supes’ can hopefully have a rebirth on the big screen, a new future appearance in a ‘Supes’ sequel might await her. ‘Blade’ did have some good elements going for it like ‘Vampires’, always a fan favorite theme. I think “Black Panther” would not have fared that well on the big screen if he was released back then. But now in this day and age, i think “Black Panther” would be a smash at the box office, especially if he’s introduced in “Avengers 2″ first, than look out. Like you said my friend, sometimes the timing isn’t right, and when the time is right like now, than you bring it on.

      • @Supes: Right on! The ‘Superman’ movies got hot and then fizzled out and even a 20 year later reboot couldn’t save Superman. Are there any less Superman fans? Hell no, but the over all interest in Superman was at low point. Superman could not sustain its original success even with a reboot 20 years later. Nothing last forever and that is why BP needs to be made now and I know most people don’t realize it but the first person to bring a female superhero to the screen is going rock it too if they make it a quality film. Doesn’t matter if it is Wonder Woman or Ms. Marvel but somebody will capitalize on it. It’s just the way things work.

  28. I was not offended by your choice of the word naive m Bomb even though you could definitely you a different vocabulary because you can come off as rude and condescending even when you feel you’re being factual. Movies make and lose money for various reasons. Franchises go through periods depending on the economy and due to quality of the film. Scream declined in revenue due to the lack of story line and honestly how can you attemped to repeat the same formula for 4-5 movies? Fast Furious movies These continue to increase in revenue because the story changes and writers continue to innovate the series and keep car race movies fresh. movies in franchises dont always make the same for various reasons, but not soley because of fads. You gave the proper definition of a fad, but a few million dollars here or there difference still does not prove your point. Super hero movies are and are doing better over all than they ever have in the last 100yrs since they’ve been made. You’re small examples of a few films proves nothing. All I wanted to do was reassure you that you have nothing to worry about when it comes to super hero movies being a fad and once again you’ve turned this into battle of the wits. This isn’t a game show about let’s see who’s clever. I have two masters degrees to satisfy that for me. I don’t need topics about super hero movies to prove that. Besides a few bumps in the road, in dollars and crappy movies, these movies have been increasing in revenue significantly almost every year since 1910. And in regards to me doing well, did you really mean to say I was doing well until I disagreed with youI think that’s what you really meant to say. Because now im offended that you’re monitoring and policing my activity here.

    • @Kees: Whoa! You are reading alot into this. You accuse me of being condescending so your play is to turn around and be condescending back!

      Its not a good idea to try and tell people what they are thinking and feeling. When I said ” You were doing good until you got to the naive thing” I said that because you spent the majority of your post discussing that one small part of out of everything else I posted. It came off defensive as you tried to turn it back to me and say that I was the naive one. That’s why I said that because clearly you took offense to the ‘naive’ comment. Go back and read it. I am not making this up. I can’t help how you are going to read my posts, its like you have some trust issues or something.

      You clearly are in attack mode as you blame me for turning this into a battle of wits when that is YOUR interpretation of what is going on. All I did was disagree with you about action movies not being fad ish at times like everything else in the world. If what I said was rude then I apologize, that is not what I was going for.

      I don’t know why you care to bring up your education, it has no bearing on this conversation and only makes you look more defensive. It appears that when I disagree with you, YOU think I am being condescending so you go on the attack as if that really is going to make things better. Is that not what just happened here?

      Dude seriously, I don’t know what you are going through but I don’t have nothing to do with it. Clearly I am not on here to ‘police’ the board or ‘monitor’ your activity, that’s really an untenable position. I don’t own this board I just post here. Sometimes I agree with people sometimes I don’t. Some people enjoy hearing another POV and some don’t. Its as simple as that.

  29. THE TOP FIVE REASONS WHY MS.MARVEL WILL OWN AT THE BOX OFFICE

    1) There are more female comic book fans now than ever before
    2) It will diversify the current Marvel line up just like it would with BP
    3) New subject matter, imagine seeing the life of a superhero through female eyes
    4) Females came out in droves to see movies like Hunger Games
    5) Marvel could get the jump on DC before they attempt Wonder Woman

    And just outside of the top five:

    6) Hit-girl/Chole Moretz is equal to IronMan/RDJ if you get the right actor or actress a phenomenon can be created.
    7) Who wouldn’t want to look at a Hot Female in Spandex kick some butt and still be feminine
    8) Someone is going to do it sooner or later why not Marvel

    Think about it…..Ms. Marvel doesn’t have to be a popular character she just has to be casted right with a good director. It is the same type of situation with the making of Black Panther.

    Need more proof. I will write you all a rough treatment and tell me it won’t make her sound more believable than freaking Antman.

    • Vega my man, you lost me a little at number 6), how is Hit Girl equal to Iron Man. I might have misinterpretated what you mean, so you’ll have to explain that one a little more to me if you don’t mind bro.

      • @ Supes: Sure no problem.

        What I mean is that Chloe Moretz was the best possible choice for Hitgirl just like RDJ is the best possible choice for Iron Man. We see that Iron Man did well because of great story telling and it was perfectly casted which makes a Huge deal. Chloe Moretz made Hitgirl work, I mean I can’t see any other kid playing her. The wrong actress and maybe we don’t have a Kick Ass 2.

        So sometimes a movie makes it based off the strength of its casting. Audiences leaving thinking that it couldn’t have been done any better by another actor/actress and so they become fans of the character even if they thought the movie was just alright. Another example would be Heath Ledgers Joker.

        • Vega i get exactly what you mean my man, some actors do truly get immersed in the roles they play and they absolutely own it. Those examples you have given are great ones. I also think ‘Hiddleston’ owns the role of ‘Loki’ as well, he has been fantastic in the role. The scenes he had with ‘Thor’, ‘Black Widow’ & ‘Tony Stark’ & ‘Hulk’ near the end of “The Avengers” we’re masterful in my opinion.

          • Agreed Supes! Agreed!