Mark Millar Calls the ‘Justice League’ Movie a Good Way to Lose Money

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Mark Millar Calls Justice League Movie Disastrous Mark Millar Calls the Justice League Movie a Good Way to Lose Money

Mark Millar – (ex) Grant Morrison pupil, comic book creator (Kick-Ass 2), and newly-appointed creative consultant to Fox’s corner of the Marvel movie universe – recently had some very kind words to say about Warner Bros.’ Man of Steel adaptation and the casting of Henry Cavill as Superman. Perhaps he was just softening up DC fans for his latest comments.

In a recent interview, Millar spoke at some length regarding the forthcoming Justice League film – specifically, he talked about how “out of date” the characters are, how “disastrous” the team will be, and how the project is an “excellent way of losing $200 million.

According to Mark Millar (courtesy of Sci-fi Now):

“I actually think the big problem for them is the characters are just too out of date. The characters were created 75 years ago, even the newest major character was created 68 years ago, so they’re in a really weird time.”

Of course, Batman was created some 74 years ago and he’s not only the single most popular superhero in existence, he also just came off one of the more successful film franchises – not just superhero film franchises, mind you! – in the history of time. It’s also worth noting that Mark Millar himself practically begged DC and Warner Bros. to let him make a trilogy of Superman movies in the vein of Lord of the Rings. If that 75-year-old character is “too out of date” to succeed at the cinema, why was Millar so interested in attempting just that?

And Sherlock Holmes! That guy was created in the 1800s. There’s just no way you could make successful movies or TV shows based around that character in this day in age. Dracula? More like Lame-ula. Snow White? More like Lame White. The Hobbit? More like the Lamelet!

The point being – who cares if a character was created 75 years ago, a hundred years ago, 200 years ago, or more? Isn’t the significant (and ongoing) lifespan of these characters – the ones that comprise the Justice League of America – just proof that they have the ability to stand the test of time, not unlike Sherlock, Dracula, and so on?

Millar went on to talk specifically about Green Lantern:

“Now the stuff I grew up with… I adored the DC stuff growing up but really, how do you do a movie about Green Lantern? His power is that he manifests green plasma from his imagination and uses them as weapons against someone? Even that in itself if you just imagine then watching a fight scene with a guy who’s like a hundred feet away making plasma manifestations fight someone – it’s not exactly raucous, getting up close and personal.”

And The Flash (a comic book character that Millar had some success writing, incidentally):

“The Flash has door handles on the side of his mask and if he doesn’t wear that mask, I’ll be pissed off, you know what I mean? They’re in a weird, weird situation – if you’ve got a guy who moves at the speed of light up against the Weather Wizard and Captain Cold or whatever, then your movie’s over in two seconds.

And Aquaman (who, according to recent reports, won’t even be a member of the movie version of the Justice League):

“You can get away with stuff in comics that in live action’s just a bit sucky – the best one is definitely Aquaman. Aquaman can’t even talk under water. If you think about it in comics it’s fine, you just have a speech balloon, but how do you have Atlantis and people talking under water? Are they gonna talking telepathically? Is it going to be body forms? The actual logistics of each member of the Justice League is disastrous, and you put them all together and I think you get an excellent way of losing $200 million.”

Aside from the fact that most of these complaints seem incredibly nitpicky (Aquaman’s inability to realistically talk under water is not a serious roadblock to his cinematic future), couldn’t we play this game with every major superhero? Like, every single one?

Captain America: “A guy who throws a shield – with an American flag on it, no less! – at bad guys? And wears wings on his head? And says stuff like ‘Golly gee whillickers!’ Why, that sounds like a recipe for disaster!”

Or Wolverine: “A five-foot-tall wolf-like Mary Sue who sports mutton chops and has knives coming out of his hands? What an excellent way to lose money!”

Or Thor: “The Norse god of thunder – but, in the movie version, an alien who rides alien horses and just acts like the god of thunder – who sometimes talks like someone out of Shakespeare. ‘Verily this’ and ‘verily that.’ Pfft. Like that’ll ever make money!”

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The comments are particularly strange considering Mark Millar previously talked about the Justice League script and was fairly gracious, saying it could be “a thing of beauty” and “it’s in really good hands.” Did something happen between then and now to give Millar the impression that the movie is headed down the wrong path? Because the Justice League characters certainly didn’t age 75 years in the eight months since his prior comments.

Ultimately, I think Justice League – as with any movie – will live or die (critically, financially) depending on who’s writing, directing, producing, and starring in the movie, and not because of any specific character foibles. If those writers/directors/producers/actors aren’t the right people, the movie will probably be less successful than it could’ve been – maybe even terrible. And if they’re precisely the right people, the movie probably has a pretty good shot at being a massive blockbuster. After all, who doesn’t want to see Superman and Batman on the big screen together?

But what do I know? Maybe Mark Millar’s right and all these characters are just too old and out of touch with the world of today, unlike all those hip X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Avengers characters.

What do you think, Screen Ranters? Do you agree with Millar that Warner Bros.’ Justice League movie plan (what little we know of it, anyway) is an excellent way to lose money?

The Justice League movie is tentatively scheduled to hit theaters in 2015.

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Source: Sci-fi Now [via Bleeding Cool]

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  1. I agree that a Superhero’s success on screen just depends on how well they are adapted, and all superheroes seem crazy on paper. But the Justice League universe does seem very far out. Like there are a lot of different worlds going on to introduce this quickly. In the Avengers, despite how bizarre the lengths are taken, all their powers apart from Thor’s, are actually exaggerations grounded in very real world possibilities. The assassins, super soldiers (genetic tampering) for Hulk and Cap, and mechanical soldiers for Iron man. And the fact Thor is from another planet and is in fact an alien (also possible just exaggerated in a god like manner) means that he doesnt confuse the natural order too much either. In Justice league you have Aquaman and wonder women who come from secret cultures on planet earth. All seems quite a lot. Also, in a world where there is superman and wonder woman and flash, why would there be need for a Batman (o i went there). I guess the avengers bizarrely works as a better extension of our world, whereas Justice League mangles it a bit, almost doesn’t fit in a realist filmic serious concept.

    • “Also, in a world where there is superman and wonder woman and flash, why would there be need for a Batman (o i went there).”

      Two things – 1) This is a question you could pose to The Avengers (in a world with Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man, why do you need Captain America?) and 2) These are all questions that creators have dealt with quite well in the comic books. He’s the genius of the group. He does the planning. He provides the funding. He’s the greatest living detective. Etc., etc., etc. Do you really think those skills wouldn’t be beneficial to the group? And did you feel the same about Cap, Hawkeye, and Black Widow in The Avengers, who – with the exception of Cap (to a small degree) – were really just extra fighting power in that movie?

      • I think it’s easier to throw in hawkeye and black widow as they are powerless characters and not central to the group. Batman is a top 3 person in DC’s world, so how he contributes in a fight amongst superbeings would have to be well thought out and written. I’ve always thought of him as an odd man out in JL but in Gotham he fits in perfectly amongst other non-superbeings. Funding, planning, detective skills – kinda boring in that universe IMO.

        • I suggest you read some classic Justice League stories then, where Batman was not only vital to the team but incredibly interesting as a part of the story. For example, read Grant Morrison’s first arc on the Justice League of America and tell me that Batman is out of place, unnecessary, or boring.

          Or, heck, just watch the Justice League Unlimited cartoon. Both these things were successful and (practically) universally well received for a reason.

          Mark Millar’s argument – and yours, to an extent – seems to be that these things work in comic books or cartoons, but they can’t possibly work on the big screen, which is way more serious business. Except movies like Spider-Man 2 and The Avengers – which are incredibly “comic booky” – are proof that you can do the same stuff in both comic books and movies, and with grand success.

          • I guess I’d have to read some of those classics. Regarding animation, one of my favorites is Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, which I thought was well done. But even in that movie, as well as Crisis on Two Earths, Batman felt out of place to me. There’s only so much gadget tech and utility belt stuff you can get away with when in the JL universe. I suppose I prefer him in situations where he’s in Gotham or environments like that going at Joker and villains like that.

            • I mean, to each his/her own. I thought Public Enemies was fine and didn’t much care for the animated version of Two Earths. Besides Unlimited, a good example of Batman/Superman coexisting excellently in a cartoon would be the Batman Superman Movie: World’s Finest, the crossover between their respective series in the late 1990s.

              • I’ll take your word for it regarding how they co-existed in that. I thought they were going to do a World’s Finest live action film…haven’t heard anything about it in a few years. Not likely with JL movie coming soon.

                • There will not be a JL movie in 2015 for sure, if ever! I just simply think DC/WB does not know how to “believably” bring all these characters together and therefor will ultimately never bring them together! YOU WATCH, we have all heard b4 that there will b a JL movie (where is it?) The same thing will happen thins time!

                  • I think the main problem is simply that Warner Bros is too arrogant, too incompetent and simply does not care about adapting its DC properties. Just see the history of the Superman franchise under the hands of studio exec Jon Peters for an example of how incompetent they can be and how little they care about the comics.

                    Were DC owned by a studio like Disney or even Fox there’d be a hundred times more movement in getting its many properties adapted to the big and small screen.

                    Fingers crossed that WB ultimately realizes they’ve got no clue how to do superhero movies and just sell of DC to some other studio.

            • Batman can easily fit by simply making him the team strategist who commands and positions his superpowered teammates via radio during the action. When required he himself can step in with some serious firepower via a fighter plane, tank or cybernetic battlesuit like he periodically does in the comics and cartoons.

          • Please bear with me because I’ve always read more Marvel Comics than DC Comics, but it seems that either universe COULD be as strange or grounded as someone makes it.

            In terms of Marvel, a lot of the Avengers used in the first movie were very “science” based. I do feel Captain America seems rather out of place in a modern environment, especially when being used in an invasion like what was in the movie. It seems in their “Ultimate” reboot that Marvel went through they seemed to arm Cap with lots of guns all the time so the shield was commonly used as close-combat or defensive purposes only. Hawkeye and Black Widow seemed very outclassed in a grand-scheme sort of way. Now, with Marvel bringing in Guardians of the Galaxy, possibly Nova, Warden, Dr Strange and all of the other “space” or “mystical” characters, it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

            In terms of Justice League, it seems many of the main characters are space-based. Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter all have powers that are out of this world, literally. Wonder Woman Aquaman and Flash are more mystically or at least mythologically based. Cyborg and Batman are the true grounded heroes that really seem to add the interesting element. Mostly because it is their tactical knowledge and creation of technology that is their true strengths.

            I’m not sure of which comic it was (I saw it in a movie, I’m sorry) but I LOVED the story that showed Batman creating Doomsday files on how to counter each of the heroes in case they went bad. I think that would be a great way to make a movie where we could see these heroes coming together to fight some evil that none could handle alone. And then Batman fears this gathering almost because it is too powerful.

            Just my 2 cents as a Marvel fan that would love to see a JL movie if it could be done well!

            • Thanks for the reply! I agree with most of your analysis, though I’d say Flash is as “science-based” as The Hulk (unlimited speed vs. unlimited strength).

              The comic arc you’re referring to is Tower of Babel, which was adapted as an animated movie called Justice League: Doom. I would not be opposed with seeing elements of it on the big screen.

              • So the “Speed Matrix” (sorry if that isn’t right) with the Flash was science based? I really don’t remember much of the Flash mythology…

                And I always felt the unlimited strength of Hulk (along with the unlimited power of Superman) could make for either a true cop-out (because they could never be beaten) or an interesting superweapon. It’s just in a movie, how do you make that superweapon not feel like it’s unbeatable?

                • Well, the “Speed Force” was not the original explanation for Flash’s power. But:

                  “The Speed Force is a vaguely defined extra-dimensional energy force from which most, but not all, superspeed-powered heroes in the DC Comics universe draw their enhanced abilities.”

                  I’d say that’s more science fiction than mythology, but I agree it’s a gray area.

            • You have the proper perspective for a potental JUSTICE LEAGUE film: Batman fearing the otherworldly powers of his “colleagues”; and perhaps a (non-comical) romantic competition between Batman and Superman (as often speculated); add a worthy super-villain and a few other elements…and maybe the 3 acts of a screenplay could come to a first draft.

        • Also: “I think it’s easier to throw in hawkeye and black widow as they are powerless characters and not central to the group. Batman is a top 3 person in DC’s world, so how he contributes in a fight amongst superbeings would have to be well thought out and written.”

          I can’t help but notice that you neglected to include Captain America in your comment, who was the real comparison character to Batman in my argument. Captain America is a “top 3 person” in Marvel’s movie universe, yes? Top two, I’d say, right behind Iron Man. If Cap works in The Avengers movie, can you really say that Batman wouldn’t in a Justice League movie? They’re incredibly comparable, except that Batman has more skilllzzz.

          • Before the MCU, Cap was more of a 2nd Tier guy IMO, with Spidey, Hulk, and Wolverine being top 3 (that’s not based on any sort of data, just what I’ve seen through exposure). Anyway, to over-simplify my point, Cap at least is a super-soldier…he has superhuman ability. So, it’s less far-fetched seeing him duke it out with aliens or other superbeings. I’m not saying that Batman absolutely can’t work in a JL movie…I think it’ll be interesting to see how writers have him contribute beyond his money and fancy equipment. Seeing what hollywood produces time after time, it wouldn’t surprise me if JL was a great movie and Batman played a significant role. We shall see.

            • But we’re talking specifically about the Marvel movie universe. Spider-Man and Wolverine have never been a part of that equation, and Hulk … at most, he’s tied with Cap. His movies have certainly made less money than Cap’s.

              As for Cap’s abilities – the super soldier serum magically made him a peak human being. I’m not sure that’s any less far-fetched than a guy with billions of dollars “perfecting” himself through extreme training in a variety of martial arts and other areas (deduction, etc.).

        • “Detective skills” might be a good opening act for JUSTICE LEAGUE; what at first seems like a routine, earthbound crime turns into something unearthly…and Bruce Wayne suits up then moves the rest of the League for “the push”.

        • Batman has the skills, resources, and know-how to take out any member of the justice league should any of them go power crazy (and he takes out Superman when he decides to be God).

      • I like your reply. because to me the averagers movie was weak. not much more to say but I thought they just threw this cast together and just prayed they did well.

    • Jak’s perspective is actually one of the better ones I’ve read in years regarding JL. I think there’s a certain level of campiness (if that’s a word) with the JL characters. IMO there’s more depth to the Avengers characters which makes them more interesting and easier to translate into film. There’s obviously a lot of liberties that had to be taken, but it definitely worked on film. Hopefully a very good writer can do the same for JL. Shield was the reason the avengers even knew of each other. How and why would the JL heroes find each other? Perhaps batman would be the one to bring everyone together.

      • When the word “universe” is used to distinguish the different characters of any league (be it THE AVENGERS or JL), this doesn’t mean a different planet. Each superhero is reasonably well-known for their individual triumphs. To not be would make for the most ridiculous anachronism imaginable. They don’t share the same metroplex, for sure, but there is the Internet (Google) and what passes for “the media”. If we are to believe any one of them is “contemporary” or “modern” then surely they are in some way acquainted with one another (at least) by some electronic means. Perhaps members of THE JUSTICE LEAGUE have a Facebook page or tweet from time to time. Maybe they’re “LinkedIn”…whatever. If not, then what planet are they on?

    • Any of that stuff can be applied to any type of fiction work. Its fiction it is meant to entertain. botttomline if the movie poorly done like the Green Lantern movie it will suck but if it is even slightly better with a strong cast and maybe 1 or 2 films before it that introduce every one it should do just fine.

      • I agree that it would benefit from a couple of films that introduce some of the major players. I also agree that a great cast with great writers can do anything. Looking forward to it either way.

      • GREEN LANTERN is arguable the most disappointing comic-to-film in terms of its potential squandered. No reflection on GL’s eccentrc ability with the ring–it’s failure to keep the character reasonably connected to the audience who, after all, is the one being entertained (if so lucky). The book on GL is the same one on JL: the story simply can’t go flying off into outer space (where most of the league can’t follow); that’s for Star Trek and StarWars. If entertainment is the goal, the “bottom line” as it were, then it must be here on earth among the league cohorts and between them and the audience. One possibility, what if the arch-enemy of each JL member formed their own compact to oppose our heroes? It’s a place to start.

    • Thor is a Scandinavia god not an alien. And by ripping on bats you, as Ben has pointed out need to do some reading. I suggest you start with tower of babel.

      • Ok, fair enough!

      • In the Marvel universe The Norse gods are aliens that inspired the myths and whatnot from the north

  2. This reminds me of an agreement myself, my brother and many of my friends have come upon in recent years.

    Marvel has more interesting heroes, DC has more interesting villains.

    Saying that, Miller seems typically outspoken as always and you either agree with a comment and like the man or you don’t.

    What we should remember is that if people are giving him and his comments attention, he benefits from it because then if people hear that a guy has been trashing DC’s characters in an interview and then find out he’s the guy behind the Fox version of the Marvel Movie Universe, that gives his movies and anything he’s involved in get a little more publicity than he would’ve gotten otherwise.

    It is a good way to lose money IMO if they screw up the writing and casting but I doubt DC will be that stupid with its potentially biggest franchise ever.

    • Miller is either manipulating the media (Screenrant among them) to promote talk about him and this Warner Bros likely franchise, or what we’re getting from him is sour grapes. Either way, it’s all good…because from these comments come ideas and the studio (in part) is reading them, I suspect.

    • @ Dazz
      That is DC/WB main problem, they either 1) get the right actor to ply the part but have a terrible script, or 2) have a good script but choose the wrong actor that cannot pull off the script! IMO most of DC’s downfall has been in their script writing but I hinestly think that with the GL they got both wrong! RR was not the right guy to be the GL and the script was also just as bad as his acting, IMO DC/WB have not put both elements together in one film! and they have givin me NO REASON to believe that they DC/WB can do that to this point.
      Hopefully the new Superman has done just that but until I see that they can do both I have to believe that either the JL movie will 1) never happen or 2) it will happen (not in 2015) but they will again make bad choices in actors or the script (or both) and the movie will fail for that reason.
      I want a JL movie as bad as the next guy but I just cannot put any faith that DC/WB can pull together all the aspects of a great film, and unless they start with a cpl small character building movies I do think the will lose everything trying to rush a JL movie

  3. This was written by a DC fan wasnt it

    • I’m a comic book fan, period. Sorry, I don’t take sides in the battle of Marvel VS. DC VS. whatever.

    • And so what if it is?

  4. If written and directed well, I can’t imagine a JL movie not doing well either. Even if it’s written/directed poorly, it might still do well.

    Honestly, even the “bad” Batman movies and Superman Returns (which I thought was okay except for the son and questionable use of Kryptonite) did well.

    Millar is just trying to generate some press… what he sees as “out of date” most everyone else considers “iconic”.

  5. One of the problems I have with DC characters is that none of them with the exception of Batman seem to have personality flaws. Because Batman is sometimes willing to get his hands dirty, he is the most

    • What you have to remember is that a majority of DC’s main players were created at a time when the world was in a terrible state (depression, war, famine etc) so comic books were one medium of supplying hope.

      What you get then is a character written a certain way for years because writers are too scared of straying too far from the original basis of what that character stood for and if they do, people complain that it isn’t the same.

      Batman writers could get away with it because he was a darker character anyway and based on the pulp comic books and radio plays where private eyes got into trouble before solving the crime and saving the damsel in distress from the master criminal.

    • I love seeing Green Arrow as getting more attention lately because of the fact that he truly is a flawed hero.

      I also felt that Green Lantern could always be a flawed character, simply because with other character traits like fear or rage could cause the inclusion of the other color rings. But, considering the difficulty with even one Green Lantern movie, throwing in the full color spectrum would be WAY too deep at this point.

      • You’ve just suggested a problem…AND the solution. Yes, “way too deep” is the color spectrum while it is also the pathway to a reboot:

        Jordan’s emotional quality assumes the color of the ring (or the rainbow; “Green” for envy obviously excluded.) When emotions interfer, the color of the ring is altered and the manifestation is not “plasma” but something GL never expects. What it delineates is the conscious mental reaction that marks human emotion(anger[red]/sadness[blue]; whatever the defect or concealed imperfection, it must first be overcome by Jordan before arising to the occasion as GL for which he is being called upon.

    • Eh? They all have something:

      Superman – God complex and adopted son syndrome, has all this power but has to deal with not being able to save everyone and coping with his own humanity and being one of the last of his race living among people who are not his own.

      Wonder Woman – Same as Supes, but from the goddess angle

      Flash – Depends on which one… I think Wally had more issues than Barry.

      Aquaman – From King to 2nd tier superhero… there’s that whole “he can only do stuff in water” stigma

      Green Lantern – Didn’t they depict Hal Jordan as irresponsible with a chip on his shoulder in the GL movie? I would go with John Stewart for diversity and because of his distrust for authority and willingness to take lives if needed.

      Martian Manhunter – Similar to Supes… and his fear of fire.

      Everyone has flaws… and if not, their movie characters can be written to have them.

      • You and Silver Babe got the right idea(s) and hopefully Warner Bros will have a clue. Each character who makes up the JL is impaired by some psychological handicap. Hope they’re reading this.

        • @Frederick:

          Well if they are, I think they should cast The Flash as a wise-cracking Asian (or half-Asian so he can keep his West last name).

          Martian Manhunter should either be African American (like in Smallville) or Samoan.

          :fanboi-shields-up:

    • Superman- Always fear that he is feared by society. Tries to save everyone to make up for being feared. As he human, he can’t really do anything because he’s afraid that his secret identity might be compromise. That’s why he chose journalism to stop/expose the bullies of society without being Superman.

      Wonder Woman – Never read anything pre-52 but in the New 52 she was reveal as the daughter of Zeus so she felt betrayed by her own mother after she tried to reconcile with her mother after spending time outside Paradise Island. Felt like an outcast by the people she grew up with because she spend more time in the outside world while the outside world never really accepted her.

      Green Lantern – An irresponsible army brat you needs to learn not to be selfish after being chosen by the ring.

      Aquaman- A king who felt like spending his time with the air breather makes him value the air breather more than his people which worries him. Try to be the leader of the JL but end up as the butt of everybody’s joke.

      Flash – Barry Allen’s a police officer who tried to protect the world even himself/

      so tell me, are they flowe chaos yet?

      • *tell me are they still too perfect?

        typo

    • After the Chris Nolan franchise (and post-Iron Man) no superhero will be flawless. Whatever DC character, as he/she may appear in the comic, will not survive scrutiny in the film version. Rest assured, where shortcomings do not exist in the comic book, they will be manufactured for the movie version. Here’s the pitch: The “dark side” of each JL member must be overcome in order to face down an even darker villainy that awaits them all, all at once.

  6. They will make 200 million on DVD sales alone. Not counting all the toys, movie channels, etc. By the way, a rubber man, a human torch, and a green hulk are believable. Right!!!

  7. Watch out we got a big shot over here

  8. Ben Moore, u mad, bro?

  9. Ben Moore seems particularly butt hurt over Millar’s statement…

  10. I just looked at Ben Moore’s website. Millar is INFINITELY more talented and qualified to criticize others’ artistic ideas. Ben is a crappy hack “artist” who should be ashamed of himself for even trying.

    • Wow, neanderthal…

      You are one sadly pathetic example of the lowest form of scummy, bottom-feeding troll.

      Oh, and to clarify for your own obvious simple-mindedness (I believe that’s how you earlier described, erroneously, those of us who are hopeful and anticipating both a great JL film and continued entertainment from DC AND Marvel):
      You are pathetic AND a perfect example of a troll.

      Grow up.

    • Haha. Sorry I hurt your feelings, Mark Millar’s mom.

      • What I find funny is Cave D Bag saying Millar is “qualified to criticize others artistic ideas” and Ben is a “crappy hack”…But….. what the hell are you Cave-ish Man? What makes you so qualified to do the same???

        • Good point! Furthermore, if there’s anyone who’s quote unquote “butthurt” here, I can’t help but think it’s probably Cave-ish.

    • Cavemen putting the d in bag on a daily basis.

  11. I’m staying optimistic and look forward to seeing a Justice League film and/or someone beyond Superman and Batman getting the individual treatment. Of course, as others have said, pretty much any of these comic superheroes can be either horribly campy or genuinely awesome, depending on the approach taken by the filmmaker.

    But I think that honestly, there is some substance to what Millar is getting at. The DC characters do not seem to fit together into a team as naturally as Marvel characters, and they are in fact older. I think that most of them can be handled in a way that works in the now, but that will require, again, some very deft filmmaking and willingness to depart from literal homages to the classic comic source material.

    I have not read many of the actual comics, but almost every Justice League animated show that I have seen was really pretty silly, no matter how serious the attempted storyline. The characters themselves are just out there. And in the case of Green Lantern specifically, even if they do recast the character (as I believe the definitely should), I do not see him *really* fitting in the Justice League universe. But that’s just me.

  12. Ben,

    You hit the nail on the head. As I read everything he was saying I was thinking the exact same thing – he could draw the same connection between the so called impossibilities of any Comic book character coming to life. I think Fox got a hold of him and told him under no circumstance should he promote the film and comic franchise of another company – specifically their competitor. Either the guy has no real imagination to bring any character to life, which is what his comments sound like or he’s trying hard to get in the heads of the producers and imaginary team behind DC and Warner Bros. These “out of date Characters” are some of the most popular and well known among comic book fans. Even if you don’t like them you know of them. Again, success will be based on writers, actors and the collaboration of the studio to bring it to life in a well thought out depiction. I’m glad he didnt get his hands on Superman – his Superman probably wouldn’t have been able to fly – BECAUSE THAT’S JUST SILLY, right Mark?

    • The “out of date characters” comment is what really got to me. The Marvell “Ultimate” universe seemed to be a focused modernization effort done to get younger audiences more in line with their comics. (That was the universe that introduced us to a Nick Fury ala Samuel L Jackson.) The DC New 52 is also designed to “modernize” their characters into something that might be more recognizable and marketable in the current environment. Things that might work..
      Superman – A Clark Kent that seems more distant from everyone, feeling like he doesn’t fit in. The trailer for Man of Steel seems to really focus on this.

      Green Lantern – A reckless super hero that has a lot of potential skill, but seems to leap before he looks.

      Wonder Woman – A dominant woman in a man’s group. Not taken seriously by most people but wants to prove that she can go toe-to-toe with any man, then rip the toes off for fun!

      Aquaman – No clue…I’ve never understood how he could be a dominant hero without being in the water.

  13. I think a major problem with justice league is the power levels of the team members. superman, martian manhunter, wonder woman, green lantern, and maybe even flash, all have god like strength and thats hard to create threats that seem a challenge for them. what threat could they not handle with that many cosmic power level being on one team? and then you have batman, pretty much the only guy who can really get hurt.

    • Not God Like,

      Green Lantern is mental. If you impair his mental judgement or give him a reason of doubt, he will not be powerful. What Makes a Lantern, their lack of fear.

      Martian Manhunter, can be defeated or contained with fire. An element any bad guy can procure and use with reckless abandon.

      Wonder Woman can bleed, if you fight her to her limits she will die.

      Flash, his Speed is his greatest downfall. He cannot be in two places at once, and he cant run for ever. You defeat him, by giving him too many people to save in the less amount of time after he saves each person. If I were to defeat flash, I would have him detonate a nuclear device as he is running into the intial blast. I calculate his speed and difference and know exactly where to place the bomb. He could not survive a direct run in with a nuclear explosion, since it would be activated faster than he can run.

      Superman. You just need to find a being who can take him to his limit and exhaust him. Superman fight all day with a being as powerful as him, but without the need for the Yellow Sun. Simple equation, at Night, Is the best time to fight Superman, no yellow sun to power him, and his power will drain, the more he exerts, the weaker he becomes.

      Batman….Um….er…Ahhhh…Well he just don’t care, which makes him the hardest one to defeat. The Man has zero emotions and he is more willing to lower to a bad guys level to get the job done,

      • someone recently watched justice league:doom haha. i see your point though.

        well yea, they all have weaknesses otherwise they would be unstoppable, but what im saying is they are all vastly powerful. green lantern has the most powerful weapon in the universe, superman is one of the most powerful beings in the universe, martian manhunter has similar powers to superman, and wonder woman could go toe to toe with superman as well. I just think to make ti compelling, they would need to be significantly powered down to make any threat seem realistic outside of darksied. but if you power them down you risk people crying foul that their character isnt getting his due. even batman, they make him unbeatable in the comics because he is their most popular hero, so who would present a challenge for his super sherlock holmes type brain?

  14. Wow,Millar is kind of a troll isn’t he? But you know what? I think he might actually be right.

  15. Marvel just pays Millar to say those awful words.
    Y’know the ol’ “paying a famous person to say bad things about your competitor” stuff.It almost always kinda work someway somehow.

  16. I don’t agree with Millar about the age thing. But I agree in principle based upon major character complexity. Think about it, with the exception of Batman who is grounded in tragedy, the majority of Marvels major characters are grounded in either conflict or tragedy as their primary motivation or impetus. Hell, all of X-Men was based around concepts seen during the civil rights struggle. Hulk, infinite power, uncontrolable destruction. Ironman, arms dealer turned hero drunk. Peter Parker, broke nerd. Even Captain America was a super soldier who got stuck in a time not his own originally. Of course it isn’t every character, but Marvel has always seemed to ground the majority of their major players in an internal struggle that made them more relatable.

    DC really hasn’t they were much more idealized as a whole.

    I don’t think this means that they can’t make a good or even great Justice League movie, but I think it gives Marvel an inherently easier job of turning their characters into big screen successes based upon the simple concept of relatability and drama.

    • +1

    • Actually, originally, Captain America was just a super soldier in World War II.

      And even out of time, he’s still a boy scout.

      There’s really no difference in terms of “complexity” between him and Superman. Of course, they both can be complex. Superman’s the last member of an alien race, and he’s living on Earth adopted by humans, pretending to be a human…I mean, there’s some super interesting stuff you can do with that. It’s been done many times in the comic. It looks like they’re trying to do it in the movie. So we’ll see.

  17. What a badly written, childish, UNPROFESSIONAL article from Ben Moore. Feeling defensive are we?

    • What was childish? Or unprofessional? All I did was question some questionable logic. It seems like you’re the one being defensive.

  18. A JLA Movie needs spin offs and sequels, like if it became a spin off it shall be called Justice League: Secret Origins. Iam not saying if it’s going to happen. Iam trying to clarify that DC Comics may get every superhero off the ground like Legion of Super Heroes and Teen Titans.

  19. I THINK THEY SHOULD START EVERY CHARACTER WITH THEIR OWN MOVIE SETTING EVERYTHING UP FOR JL MOVIE IN THE FUTURE I THINK IS TO SOON TO MAKE THE MOVIE RIGTH NOW AND IF THEY TRY TO RUSH IT ITS GOING TO A BE A DISASTER THEY NEED TO REALLY SIT DOWN AND THINK REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE SCRIPT AND THE ACTORS THAT COULD PLAY IN THE MOVIE THE JL MOVIE ITS MORE COMPLICATED THEN THE AVENGERS MOVIE BECAUSE OF ITS SUPERHEROES BUT IETHER WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BUT NOT IN 2015…IN THE FUTURE…

    • WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME?!?!?

  20. All I’m seeing is “Guy who works for Marvel comments on why a DC Comic movie is going to suck!” I mean come on most comic book characters are weird, I’d argue that The Avengers doing well if prove that Justice League can succeed.

    Really though as Bob Chapman has pointed out numerous times “COMICS. ARE. WEIRD!”

  21. Mark Millar’s just pissed because he got passed up on working on what has the potential to be “a thing of beauty,” as he previously stated. So what does he do? He makes a couple of slanderous remarks, completely throwing out his previous comments, to try and bring down a potential blockbuster. What a baby. I feel like I want to punch him in his man parts.

  22. To put it bluntly, Mark Millar and all the numerous people espousing the above opinion have obviously never bothered to read any Justice League comics, or even watch any episodes of the animated series, over the past few decades.

    How these characters work is well documented over hundreds of issues and scores of story arcs. Just learn to friggin READ.

  23. For Green Lantern they should just use John Stewart, he has less of an imagination than the other GLs so it makes it more believable plus he adds more diversity, not just because he’s black but because of his hard ass military attitude. Flash’s costume is the only problem with him, just have his fight scenes in slow motion like The Matrix. Batman just needs the right actor and Wonder Woman just needs some time for her character to develop like a solo movie or thirty minutes in the film like the justice league pilot. Pay whatever it takes for Paul Dini to write the script and the Justice League movie is good to go.

  24. It is hard to read this when it basically reads as a DC fan boy debasing him self for his obsession. Screen has been completely biased about all things DC, way to much in love with Christopher Nolan, and always quick to attack anyone who might give a dissenting opinion. This article was absolutely horrible to read, and shows why comic book nerds ruin everything.

    • So…you haven’t actually read any other SR articles (and certainly not the responses following those articles), right? If you had, you would not have typed such an utterly ignorant post.

  25. As stoked as I will be for a shared universe movie from DC about their ensemble cast for their iconic superheroes in 2015, I am, however, quiet cautious about the Warner leadership unconventionally introducing these gestating figures through one explosive plot. Trying to introduce each of the separate characters through one movie is a dauntingly risky move, not only from a fiscal point of view but from a thematic one. What concerns us more is the latter one. Clearly, trying to write a story that will properly be able to encompass all the different background story arch of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash and reboot Batman will convolute the overall story, thereby making it difficult for audiences to encapsulate the overall picture. Generally speaking, good movies are attuned to niche storylines. It would make sense to follow the marvel path by giving a fair amount of attention to all of our superheroes separately and then bringing them together into one JLA movie, even if it will mean postponing the date for a JLA movie for another three years. Remember, stalling the movie would be an infinitely better option than doing a horrible job of it and single handedly making it a colossal embarrassment as well as ruining potential sequels. However, if done well, this unconventional method could perhaps turn out to be a novelty strategy. Such would only be possible if the Warner Bros. entourage could somehow focus on as little characters as possible, thereby developing more effectively on a more restricted story arch, while leaving the climactic buildup as being open to the calling out for the need for other superheroes for protection from even greater threats in future movies. This, then, could be a more subtle approach to introducing Flash and other heroes alike. This would be akin to Michael Bay’s first Transformers movie, where Optimus Prime, at the end of the movie, steps up on top of a hill calling out to other surviving protagonists, asking them to unite for even greater evils to come. As a huge DC fan, I will want Warner Bros. to get their eggs in one basket (or separate ones!) and consider approaching this sensitive situation cautiously. After all, this movie in 2015, or the lack thereof, will determine the future of the other JLA cast members and whether they will be able to compete with their Marvel counterparts.

  26. I like the comparison between Sherlock Holmes and a woman with a laser lasso who flyes around in an invisible jet!

    • If you’ll notice in the article, my argument took to task 1) the idea that “old characters” (e.g., Sherlock Holmes) were somehow incapable of being realized on the silver screen and 2) the idea that ridiculous comic book characters can’t be successful in movies (e.g., Wolverine, Thor, Captain America). So here you are connecting my “old characters” argument to the “ridiculous characters” argument – as if I was saying Sherlock Holmes is equally ridiculous even though I didn’t – completely ignoring that my ridiculous argument was elsewhere in the article. I think this is what they call a straw man argument.

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