‘Man of Steel’ Ending Controversy & The ‘Superman II’ Hypocrisy

Published 1 year ago by , Updated April 8th, 2014 at 7:06 am,

Just so we’re clear: this movie has Superman and taking a man he knows to be weak as your average human, crushes his hand, and throws him into a bottomless pit. That’s not even mentioning Lois Lane also knocking a now-de-powered villain off a cliff. In short: Superman does and has killed the exact same guy on film before – so what’s all the controversy about?

In Man of Steel Supes is clearly tormented by his actions and needs Lois for comfort; in Superman IISupes and Lois smile through their double homicide and crack wise. Is the latter okay because it’s more of a fantasy world with a John Williams theme song playing when Superman does his dirty deed? Is Man of Steel‘s treatment of death and destruction more unpalatable than cheers for a re-powered Superman crushing a man’s hand and Lois Lane cracking one-liners before killing someone? I don’t get it.

What is there to split hairs about? Superman killed Zod in both films – so how does the notion of “Superman Does Not Kill” even hold water? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below – and/or vote in the poll:

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Man of Steel is now in theaters.

Superman II has been around for thirty-three years. See it if you haven’t.

Sources:  Empire Magazine podcast (viaThe Playlist),  Thrillbent (via Cinema Blend), Collider

Dark Superman Image Courtesy of Eliaskhasho on DeviantArt

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  1. Lol, well I still expected that from him because he has nowhere else to go but more arguing. He kept going on with his intellect,i am sorry, if his intelligence isn’t strong enough to sway our opinions, he is virtually powerless. He Condemns people for accepting the killing of Zod of any evil Entities to maintain a character’s… character because he can’t & will not ever ever ever see him as a killer. Killing isn’t the issue, doimg what needs to be done despite his principles. He puts Superman on a pedestal, this why I love Batman more. Batman would have Kicked the pedestal to the ground.

    • lol I totally went on a Waldae like tirade their. Got on my pedestal about how he was a dink. He provided all the evidence for my argument and yours lol It’s just insane that this guy cant accept what is clearly laid out. We kind of had this same type of thing happening at the wonder woman outfit thread and much of people arguments are nonsense that google and applying common sense could easily dispel. So….1 I actually am watching Batman Returns right now..have heard guys saying batman doesn’t kill either…but google and zap ===>in Detective comics #27 (1st appearance of Bats) he knocks a dude into a giant tank of acid.

    • right there** lol i need to go to bed.

      random i know but have had similar talk with guys about batman and they still will find some way to say it doesn’t count… The thing is the philosophies of life are mucky and difficult in application, even for our heroes. WB/DC is giving us origin tale with MOS which we are supposed to take as Supes learning experience. He wasn’t even Superman really. He just discovered he was Kal-El of Krypton. These people don’t understand this. Everything is black and white(ideologically not racially lol) and to them they are the shining white knight meant to uphold the white ideals no matter how unrealistic in practice, no matter how dirty they themselves play to attempt to feel or look to others as though they are proving their point, ignoring facts and replacing them with colorful insults and hyperbole…by there standards they’ve done no wrong and once you call B.S. on them it’s like “you’re bloodthirsty, lad” remember that? I would have enjoyed intelligence going back and forth about the ideological implication of both Superman II and MOS anf the fact the Code was broken but I had to unsubscribe from this thread because of him. I will say this, at least Man of Steel’s framing is him as a rookie dealing with this horrible situation. Superman 2, yeah it’s as people have said, the to wrap uo the climax, he defeated Zod’s group and then (cue heroic fun family music) > he enjoyed hurting and knocking depowered/mortal/human people into a bottomless pit to never be heard from again(they’re f-ing dead) unless you have only seen the movie on your local non-cable tv on a saturday afternoon.

      The pedestal is there but they have to come down for food and water at some point to let us know they are still relatable otherwise they’re aren’t your heroes, they’re your Imaginary Gods of Perfect Ideals…funny thing is though they are neither, they are fictional characters that evolve with the times and that are interpreted by whatever artists of whatever medium interprets them. Nolan just totally “depowered” Batman for 3 whole movies, he got his ass kicked, wasn’t master detective or tactician, etc…where was my Übermensch then. NO worries for me cause it’s all fictional and i respect film makers doing Justice to their creation as long as it is “true” to the character in spirit. The fact Superman has killed before means, 1 there should be no controversy and this seemingly well thought out trauma of snapping Zod’s neck is not for shock value like the shallow examiners claim, and is actually meaningful to the character development that will probably bring him closer to the ideal..which keeps it VERY true to the character with the new inclusion of realistic reasoning on WHY he is like this. OK i’m done. been wanting to share that.
      ( it also gives finality on the Zod story line for Superman, which probably helped bring about what we are seeing happen as far as JL and all the castings. Which I am liking) Please tell me your not one of the detractors lol I normally agree with what you post, another guy around here i like is the shoveler, um supreme83, tony, a lot of guys around are here are trolls, not even purposely, just powered by natural stupidity, non acceptance of new info, and/or fear of the unknown. rant over. damn insomnia.

      • i was saying i like tony, the shoveler, you, supreme83 couple other guys that seem to be about good info and rational discussion….but a lot of the other guys that pop up screaming foul play are being ridiculous

    • right there** lol i need to go to bed.

      random i know but have had similar talk with guys about batman and they still will find some way to say it doesn’t count… The thing is the philosophies of life are mucky and difficult in application, even for our heroes. WB/DC is giving us origin tale with MOS which we are supposed to take as Supes learning experience. He wasn’t even Superman really. He just discovered he was Kal-El of Krypton. These people don’t understand this. Everything is black and white(ideologically not racially lol) and to them they are the shining white knight meant to uphold the white ideals no matter how unrealistic in practice, no matter how dirty they themselves play to attempt to feel or look to others as though they are proving their point, ignoring facts and replacing them with colorful insults and hyperbole…by there standards they’ve done no wrong and once you call B.S. on them it’s like “you’re bloodthirsty, lad” remember that? I would have enjoyed intelligence going back and forth about the ideological implication of both Superman II and MOS anf the fact the Code was broken but I had to unsubscribe from this thread because of him. I will say this, at least Man of Steel’s framing is him as a rookie dealing with this horrible situation. Superman 2, yeah it’s as people have said, the to wrap uo the climax, he defeated Zod’s group and then (cue heroic fun family music) > he enjoyed hurting and knocking depowered/mortal/human people into a bottomless pit to never be heard from again(they’re f-ing dead) unless you have only seen the movie on your local non-cable tv on a saturday afternoon.

      The pedestal is there but they have to come down for food and water at some point to let us know they are still relatable otherwise they’re aren’t your heroes, they’re your Imaginary Gods of Perfect Ideals…funny thing is though they are neither, they are fictional characters that evolve with the times and that are interpreted by whatever artists of whatever medium interprets them. Nolan just totally “depowered” Batman for 3 whole movies, he got his ass kicked, wasn’t master detective or tactician, etc…where was my Übermensch then. NO worries for me cause it’s all fictional and i respect film makers doing Justice to their creation as long as it is “true” to the character in spirit. The fact Superman has killed before means, 1 there should be no controversy and this seemingly well thought out trauma of snapping Zod’s neck is not for shock value like the shallow examiners claim, and is actually meaningful to the character development that will probably bring him closer to the ideal..which keeps it VERY true to the character with the new inclusion of realistic reasoning on WHY he is like this. OK i’m done. been wanting to share that.
      ( it also gives finality on the Zod story line for Superman, which probably helped bring about what we are seeing happen as far as JL and all the castings. Which I am liking) Please tell me your not one of the detractors lol I normally agree with what you post, another guy around here i like is the shoveler, um supreme83, tony, but a lot of guys around are here are trolls, not even purposely, just powered by natural stupidity, non acceptance of new info, and/or fear of the unknown. rant over. damn insomnia.

  2. Your point,

    Yeah, it was cleary a movie of a Superman in development. The outrage is shallow and unwarranted. What he would let him live & somehow imprisoned him (haha). Wouldn’t that be unnecessary torture of a being that no longer had a purpose. Not to mention he was going to kill every human on earth. It’s sad but a no brainer. I told one of my friends about this thread and the Superman II fabricated controversy. He knows WAY more on comic books than me. He said they died.

    How about this for debate: in the Killing Joke, at the end the Joker, told a joke that made Batman laugh. It shows Batman putting a hand on his shoulder and the images slowy fade to black. Did Batman kill him? Or did the Joker kill him? Or did they both live.

    • I’ve always believed it to be pretty obvious, imo, that he didn’t kill the joker. Hands seemed pretty clearly on the shoulder and Bats had just pleaded with him not long before to stop the madness and that he could get help. TJ pushed things far but for me that “death” always seemed more like a fan wish (that I liked the idea of).. but seemed to me a fan embellishment of open ended situation like many of the great media theories, ie ‘Saved by the Bell’ is All a Dream in Zack’s head, Same with Ferris Bueller being all in Cameron’s Head(even though that requires omitting details and making serious leaps), Gilligans Island is Hell, The Gilligan’s Island Drug Runner Theory lol. Joking :P . I think TKJ is left open ended on purpose but for me there were no indicators, I can recall, that Batman was going to break his neck other than theories. I’ll have to dig this one up for a re-read

  3. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69852/2292625-91931_v1.jpg

    oh, to stay true to our ideals…..

  4. Your point,

    Yeah, initially when i first read it, there was never a thought in my mind that he killed him. The Joker made him laugh, holy crap! That was my reaction. But it is called the killing joke, maybe this needs a re-read. I got to say it has to be on of my favorites. Before I really got reading comics, this was the one i read. It was addictive, i really enjoyed this one. Though i believe that TDKR won me over, yeah, a larger book but still. I can see the notion that he could have, but, who says it couldn’t have been the Joker doing the killing? I think aside from anarchy and the torment of others, wasn’t the Joker’s life ambition was making his favorite brooding hero to laugh? Goal achieved, so does he end him? It definitely a better argument than the Superman II argument. At least you don’t have to worry about hostility from me, i prefer these to be fun.

  5. Yes guys, life is better without him.

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