David S. Goyer Talks ‘Man of Steel’ Controversy & Setting Up ‘Batman vs. Superman’

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WARNING: MAN OF STEEL SPOILERS AHEAD!

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Things may change in the future, but as of right now Man of Steel ranks among the most divisive superhero films in recent memory. Change is never easy, which is a big part of the reason why director Zack Snyder and screenwriter David S. Goyer’s modernized take on the Superman mythos – bearing all the hallmarks of a 21st-century (or, rather, post-Bryan Singer’s X-Men) comic book/superhero movie – continues to inspire passionate debates between fans both young and old.

We’ve addressed the outcry in response to how Kal-El (Henry Cavill) manages to ultimately defeat General Zod (Michael Shannon) in Man of Steel – and, perhaps more importantly, if many a person’s upset response may be more hypocritical than justifiable. Goyer has talked about the issue too, in addition to having touched upon how Snyder’s movie is structured to lead directly into the sequel – colloquially known as Batman vs. Superman, in the absence of an official title.

Goyer spoke about his and Snyder’s decision to have Superman kill General Zod during their final showdown in Man of Steel, while in attendance at a recent BATFA and BFI Screenwriters’ Lecture. The screenwriter/filmmaker/comic book writer flat-out said that he doesn’t agree with many of his peers’ no-budge approach, where it concerns how Superman is not allowed to ever kill another being (the following quotes were reported by Digital Spy):

“We were pretty sure [the ending to 'Man of Steel'] was going to be controversial. It’s not like we were deluding ourselves, and we weren’t just doing it to be cool. We felt, in the case of Zod, we wanted to put the character in an impossible situation and make an impossible choice.

“This is one area, and I’ve written comic books as well and this is where I disagree with some of my fellow comic book writers – ‘Superman doesn’t kill’. It’s a rule that exists outside of the narrative and I just don’t believe in rules like that. I believe when you’re writing film or television, you can’t rely on a crutch or rule that exists outside of the narrative of the film.”

Interestingly, Snyder previously admitted that part of his own reasoning for having Supes kill Zod in Man of Steel is because “if [the film] was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is [otherwise left] unexplained.” This is worth mentioning, if only because Goyer also co-wrote Batman Begins with Man of Steel producer/story writer Christopher Nolan – the latter being a film that attempts to setup the Caped Crusader as a superhero navigating the ethically-murky waters of the new century, much like Man of Steel does with Superman.

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In his review, Screen Rant’s Kofi Outlaw even referred to Man of Steel as being “Superman Begins” in terms of the structure and approach favored in Goyer’s screenplay. The writer has (literally) echoed those comments, as Goyer explained that the whole purpose of Snyder’s reboot was to introduce a new Superman who… well, isn’t really Superman quite yet:

“So the situation was, Zod says ‘I’m not going to stop until you kill me or I kill you.’ The reality is no prison on the planet could hold him and in our film Superman can’t fly to the moon, and we didn’t want to come up with that crutch.

“Also our movie was in a way Superman Begins, he’s not really Superman until the end of the film. We wanted him to have had that experience of having taken a life and carry that through onto the next films. Because he’s Superman and because people idolise him he will have to hold himself to a higher standard.”

In term of additional similarities, both Batman Begins and Man of Steel also show:

  1. The eponymous superhero causing a real mess of things, due to their inexperience and emotional vulnerabilities.
  2. How Batman and Superman form their ethical codes when it comes to killing others (in short: avoid it whenever possible).

Moreover, Man of Steel‘s ending has now allowed the “Superman doesn’t kill” code (in the future, anyway) to exist within the narrative, which means that Goyer now has a good reason to stick to that creed and even address it in the sequel (more on that in a moment). By comparison, Batman Begins shows Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) deciding to passively kill Ra’s al Ghul (Liam Neeson) by not saving him; yet, Bruce’s own moral reckoning didn’t come about until The Dark Knight Rises, when his actions come back to haunt him.

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Batman vs. Superman, like Goyer’s story for The Dark Knight, is expected to deal with the problem of escalation, as Supe’s actions in Man of Steel draw a battle-scarred and world-weary Caped Crusader (played by Ben Affleck) out of the woodwork. However, unlike the Joker in Dark Knight, Affleck playing Bruce Wayne -serving as the antagonist in the Man of Steel sequel (note: “antagonist” does not mean “villain”) - is going to confront Supe about the responsibilities that come with his god-like powers – and why the collateral damage caused by Kal-El in Man of Steel cannot be swept under the rug.

In other words, Goyer and Snyder’s artistic choices in Man of Steel could give rise to a sequel that is as philosophically-complex (if not more so) than The Dark Knight, in addition to being a successful expansion of the DC shared movie universe – so that a Justice League film takes another step closer to becoming a reality one day. If all that happens, then it’ll just go to show: change in how we approach comic book mythology, despite how tough it can be on the masses, really is for the best sometimes.

Where do you stand on the Man of Steel controversy? Do you think that if Batman vs. Superman proves to be a success, then it’ll prompt many people to re-evaluate Snyder’s reboot of the Superman franchise?

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Man of Steel debuts on DVD and Blu-ray on November 12th, 2013.

Man of Steel 2/Batman vs. Superman opens in U.S. theaters on July 17th, 2015.

Source: Digital Spy

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  1. I wonder how many pages this thread will get by the end of the day?

    • 3

    • 3 pages worth, minimum…

    • 3 pages in 1/2 a day.

  2. Wonder what they did with zods body.

    • Good question. What happens to an indestructible body when it dies?

      • I wonder if the indistructibility is gone once the brain dies idk just a thought

        • Yeah, how much of their power is mental as opposed to purely physical?

      • If they bury it underground where the Sun can’t reach it will it eventually decay?

        • I think your right about this.

      • assuming it’s still indestructible after death. in the movie, jor-el mentions his (baby kal-el’s) cells soaking the sun’s radiation but if said cells are dead, they no longer absorb radiation and convert it into energy. seems to reason the body would decay like any other perhaps taking a longer time?

    • He takes Zod’s body and throws it into the sun. Not knowing that in time this will give Zod the ability to heal. Thus Zod returns to destroy him.

    • thats what i was saying, the US governemnt OR Lex Luthor will probably used it to make a superman clone AKA BIZARRO…

      • …and don’t forget Zod took off his armor on a LexCorp site…

  3. Great read! Got me all excited for the sequel!

  4. I have no issue whatsoever with Supes killing Zod. What else was he supposed to do? Half the people who dislike the film didn’t pay any attention when they voiced their alternatives. My only issue was the way the film was cut together. Watching it the first time (I’ve seen it 3 times) felt very choppy and all over the place. Upon seeing it again I liked it more but maybe that’s because my expectations had lowered a bit and I knew what to expect?

    I’m hoping because there will be no flashbacks in MoS 2 (fingers crossed) then the whole film will flow a lot more smoothly. Please don’t screw this up Snyder.

    • +1 to the film being a bit too choppy, especially the first half. That was pretty much my only problem with the film.

      • I also agree about the editing. I liked it that way for the most part, but it was choppy. Only saw it once in the theater, so looking forward to a second time at home.

        • I think you’ll like it much more the second time. The firs time, I enjoyed it, but the second time I put it up there as one of my favorites. I just hope Goyer fixes these issues for the next film.

      • +1
        THANK YOU! Someone agrees with me when I say that the film was a bit to choppy for my taste. I remember discussing that with someone and they condescendingly told me that it was “nonlinear”; so it was SUPPOSED to be like that. There’s a difference between nonlinear and choppy and this movie was choppy, lol.

        • LOL, “nonlinear.” Like it’s Tree of Life or Cloud Atlas! MOS fans will say anything to defend their precious movie from any valid criticism.

    • My only issue with the film was the pacing as well. The story and characters were phenomenal, and I think a good story leaves the viewer asking questions and considering consequences and motivations.

  5. “I just don’t believe in rules like that. I believe when you’re writing film or television, you can’t rely on a crutch or rule that exists outside of the narrative of the film.”-I guess Kryptonite won’t be showing up.

    • Not sure. During the fight between supes and zod, we see a casino sign. Turns out the guy who owns that building is the one who first introduced supes to kryptonite!!

      • Who would that be and how does he introduce Superman to the deadly rock?

  6. Man I cant wait for this movie!!!! I think attitudes will change once the dvd and Blu ray of MOS comes out and people get to see it again and get another perspective of the movie . Some people act like people were falling out of buildings while they were fighting. When all the buildings I saw during the fight were empty.

    I loved MOS I was just disappointed Zod didn’t say Kneel before Zod! I was waiting the whole movie for it.

    • I think those “empty” buildings had more to do with the PG-13 rating than nobody actually being in them. Unless it was a public holiday and nobody was at work, then that doesn’t quite make sense.

      • If you pay closer attention, the World Engine starts to float above Metropolis around afternoon and Superman and Zod’s battle ends after the sun has set. So we can assume that people are on their way home, thus leaving the buildings (mostly) empty.

        • Ah I didn’t notice (only saw it once and don’t remember at lot from that scene besides buildings being smashed). Those poor people working late then.

          Just imagine, staying late at the office in order to get that report done for the next day, and thinking you’re being a good employee and all that, and then BAM, some alien smashes through your wall and turns you into paste (or at least gets you crushed under rubble).

  7. I’m such a huge fan of MoS for so many reasons, one of them being the continued debate and discussion that the movie brings forth.

    Articles like this make those who complain about the choices made in the movie appear very foolish and stubborn.

    Complaining about the destruction Supes causes and claiming that it makes the movie bad is the equivalent of claiming that the movie Titanic is terrible because the ship sinks at the end.

    • Man of Steel was bad for none of those reasons. The actor chosen to play Superman was boring. The flashbacks were like being forced to watch “The Best of Smallville” and added very little to the plot. Perry White was a shallow character, Lois Lane was a shallow character. The only really “wow” stuff from that movie was the Krypton flashback where Russell Crowe goes Water World on some random skull storage floatilla.

      I enjoyed that he snapped Zod’s neck. I just couldn’t care about anyone in the film. There was some good action, but I think the only time I actually laughed during that movie was when he crashes the Drone at the end for spying on him.

      It was just a bland, boring movie. Has nothing to do with whether or not he killed Zod, it had to do with poor script, poor character utilization, and terrible pacing.

      • Yeah, the whole “people didn’t like it because Superman kills Zod” line is a huge straw man. Of the hundreds of negative reviews Man of Steel got almost none mention that scene. Most of the criticism comes from the poor editing, repetitive action sequences, and awkward dialogue. BUT DON’T LOOK AT THOSE, LOOK AT THESE BLOG COMMENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NECK SNAP!

        • Funny…I DON’T look at those blogs about the killing, as I find them silly and pointless. I DID, however, watch the film and saw that its editing was fine with fantastic and intense action sequences and fitting dialogue.

          • I’m glad people like you took no notice of the massive flaws in this film. At least some will be able to get enjoyment out of this massive turkey.

            • Ah, Thracian…as mature here as at our last outing. Still, you make no sense, and still, you babble and attack because of that.

              Sad…

      • @ “Matthew Egan”

        Right. You think the movie is so bad, that you need to make sure that 4 months later on an obscure website you need to take the time to post about why you think the movie is so bad.

        Yep. I’m just sooooooooo convinced that this is some random person who has never commented on this site before, just happens to show up to respond to me to let me know that MoS is bad.

        “A” for effort, but you still aren’t fooling anyone…sir.

        • Lol, didn’t you just say you were a fan of MoS because of the discussion it inspires? Yet when someone offers an intelligent critique of the movie that disagrees with your opinion, you dismiss it completely and accuse them of being a troll?

          “A” for effort, but you aren’t fooling anyone…sir.

          • Unfounded statements supported by nothing is not an “intelligent critique.”

            You get a C-

            • He said that he thought it was a boring movie due to “poor script, poor character utilization, and terrible pacing.” Sure, he didn’t go into detail, but he offered valid reasons for disliking the movie.

              Anyway, my main point was that by inviting discussion and then completely dismissing those with differing viewpoints, you’re acting like more of a troll than those that you accuse of being trolls.

              • I don’t dismiss differing viewpoints. I dismiss you.

  8. My thoughts on the controversy?

    I didn’t know there was any until I read it on Screen Rant a week after the movie came out.

    I never had issue with him killing Zod, I understood completely why he had to do it and would’ve done the same myself in that situation. I just didn’t enjoy the movie much because parts were boring and others were unnecessary (the opening 20 minutes, the third act went on much longer than it needed to) but otherwise, it was an average movie and a good start to the DC Movie Universe that’s being set up.

  9. I have no problem with this film. I thought overall, it was the most memorable movie of this summer. I thought the Dark Knight Rises’ overall plot had several highlights, but overall it is choppy as hell. Much more so then MOS. I love the Dark Knight Trilogy, but the MOS universe I suspect will have several cameos and additional DC characters present in it. The potential there is off the charts and its a comic book lovers dream. Also, check out the Flashpoint DC anime. IMO, top 3 DC anime of all-time. End of Line.

  10. I for one am very excited to see how the next movie addresses the events of MoS. Pretty much everything Goyer said reflects my own thoughts.

  11. It’s nice to see an article that can put this weak argument to rest:

    “Everyone needs to stop saying that these things will be addressed in the next movie. Nobody knows that for sure.”

    Uhh… yes, we do know that for sure.

    • Exactly. This first film was designed with a progressive plan in mind, and I find it curious that people do not seem to understand that exceedingly simple (and obvious) point.

      Personally, I found MOS to be an excellent film…one of the best CBMs I’ve ever seen.

      • MOS was designed with a progressive plan: If the movie doesn’t make as much money as the Batman movies did, put Batman in the next one.

        • They were making plans with Affleck as Batman and the sequel long before Man of Steel hit theaters.

          • Yes, it’s always good to have a contingency plan for when your tentpole movie turns out to be a disappointment.

            • That’s cute…but completely misses any sensible point.

            • So they were keeping Affleck at hand for a ‘just in case’ scenario while they worked on another idea for a sequel? Hmm makes a lot of sense.

    • Who cares if Man of Steel sucks? The writers promise they’ll fix everything in the next one!

      • Good thing it did NOT suck and, in fact, was excellent. Problem solved. :)

  12. What Goyer says makes sense to me. I have no problem with the ending of Man of Steel. I am glad that they finally gave us a current, realistic take on the character.

  13. I had no problem with Superman killing someone. I just didn’t like the movie.

    But I’m sure that I’m the only person on the planet who thinks that. I’m sure that everyone else who didn’t like the movie, disliked it solely for that one scene.

    • Nah… plenty of people disliked it for the sole purpose of disliking it so they could visit every page related and post about how much they disliked it.

      • Like Dr. Mindbender says, I was really surprised when I found out I could make $2,000 to 560,000 of dollars online at my homes in spare times by saying I don’t like stuff I like. It easy and I quit work and make lots of mouse money. You should try it to.

        http//:cocamaimiereasonsMOSwasawesomebutpeopledontthinkso#34.spam

        • BWAAA HAAA HAAA! (^-^)

        • HA!

    • Hey, you are not alone. I also did not really enjoy the movie.

      I understand the need to kill Zod..there weren’t a lot of options available to him.

      The problem i have was that i felt no connection to Supes at all. I believe the true greatness of Superman is that he shows the readers/watchers how good/true the human race can be at it’s best and I did not feel that during this movie.

      I am hoping that Affleck will offer Snyder some advice on the direction of part deux and bring some heart to it.

      I really want the movie to succeed because it is a great movie, not only because it stars Batman and Superman.

      • “I believe the true greatness of Superman is that he shows the readers/watchers how good/true the human race can be at it’s best and I did not feel that during this movie.”

        Yeah, and that certainly wasn’t shown when he restrains himself from harming those whom many would claim deserve it… or when he decides to fight for us rather than enslaving us…
        …or when it shows that even Superman just like anyone else has to go through some trial and error before perfecting something…

        No, the point you claim doesn’t happen does happen, if you didn’t “feel it” that’s because you decided not to. The elements that show what the human race can be at it’s best are there,(free choice triumphing over eugenics and population control) whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

        • LOL, the Superman from MOS is so uninspiring that fans have to defend him by pointing out that for all his flaws, at least he DIDN’T ENSLAVE THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.

          • ^^ Eventually, you just have to let trolls eat themselves with comments such as this

            • Let’s hope sooner than later…

            • Rule #1 for being a MOS fan. When your weak arguments fail you, switch to personal attacks.

              • Explain what weak argument failed, and where exactly was the personal attack?

                Pointing out the absurdity of a post is not a personal attack.
                Calling you a big fat poopy stinky head is a personal attack. If Superman were real, I would be very inspired at the fact that he doesn’t proclaim himself king of the planet.

                Damn straight.

                • Dr. M…

                  Don’t worry…Motorhead can’t seem to defend his trolling and his (apparent) inability to understand a great film, so he’s decided to try and make us feel the effects of his amazing mental prowess.

                  Heh-heh.

                  • Right. I’ve read Also Sprach Zarathustra in the original German but a dumb 2 hour Sears commercial where grown men in pajamas punch each other into outer space must have exceeded my grasp.

                    • “…a dumb…commercial”

                      Yet, you KEEP RESPONDING to people about it…hmmm.

                      Also, thanks, but your reading resume serves no purpose here. Many of us here have read a great many works. This film is not being compared to them.

                • So calling me a troll was meant as a compliment? At least be man enough to admit when you’re insulting someone.

    • Actually some of my friends just found it boring, overly complicated, too dark for the character, you couldn’t see anything (they disliked the camerawork), didn’t like the actors..

      Those are some things I heard. I liked the movie fine.

    • It’s not that superman killed zod that bothered me, its everything else other than the acting, some flashbacks (sans tornado scene), and that’s it.

  14. “This is one area, and I’ve written comic books as well and this is where I disagree with some of my fellow comic book writers – ‘Superman doesn’t kill’. It’s a rule that exists outside of the narrative and I just don’t believe in rules like that. I believe when you’re writing film or television, you can’t rely on a crutch or rule that exists outside of the narrative of the film.”

    ——————-

    …and, that is why Superman’s messiah complex is not pure. Within a messiah type of situation, Superman would have died to become a martyr.

    I guess Superman is not the messiah (savior) as his mythology makes everyone think.

  15. In Superman 2 Superman had his chamber take Zod’s power away, and then he through the now powerless Zod into the pit. Go watch the movie again folks. So Superman killing Zod was nothing new. True fans have seen that movie and like me, will be shaking their heads on why such a fuss on that part of the movie. They are both the same race. So Obama and his supporters can’t claim Superman is a racist by killing Zod.
    So all the folks who have a problem with Superman killing Zod are basically saying Zod should have been allowed to kill as much as he wanted and should not have been stopped from killing that family at the end?

    Superman stands for “Truth, Justice, and the American way.” So he did in fact do the right thing by snapping Zod’s neck to save that family. He’s an Old School American. New school would have slapped Zod’s hand and told him he’s a bad boy and let him live to keep on killing. Just like Americans are doing with terrorists. Instead of going after them to put an end to things we get the whole garbage that we are supposed to apologize to them for being American and hope they stop trying to kill us. Like that will work? It won’t and so we gotta put an end to things, just like Kal- El did with how it was enough is enough and he put an end to it.

    • I love how you turned a comment on a Superman movie into something political.

      AMERICA, #$%& YEAH!

      • …and it didn’t even make any particular sense.

        :P

        • Whew! I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt that. :-D

          • Lol wow.

    • Ed D, “Truth, Justice, and the American way.”
      ———–

      Many people didn’t get what you said; however, I completely understood everything your wrote. Superman was created between World War I and World War II, and he was used to sell war bonds. Many of the superheros were used to sell war bonds, so that we can fund the materials we needed for World War II. As a result of people getting upset, due to Superman’s overuse of patriotism, DC comics turned Batman into an anti-hero.

      “Truth, Justice, and the American Way.” was all about American exceptionalism, and our country’s resolve during times of crises.

      When Obama came into office, he sold everyone on the idea of: (1) US does not want to lead the world, (2) US is sorry for its past, and (3) we are not longer going to believe we are exceptional. Its in his 2008 inaugural address.

      We use to believe in: lace up the boots, roll up the sleeves, and dig into the dirt. Now, we have people who want ‘free stuff’, and they reject the idea of working hard for a reward. I believe we have more people on the system than we do working.

      You are eerily correct in your assumptions.

      • Yes, because all of these things arose in the last five or six years…

        Please, pay more attention in your next World History class. Please.

        • Would love to pay more attention in World History Class if they would really teach World History.

          • Funny…I learned quite a bit of world history in MY World History classes.

            Admittedly, I DID also read independently…

          • @ Mr. O,

            I agree. During the first term of Obama’s administration, he had the head of his educational department rewrite our history books. Kids are no longer being taught about ‘what is truly means’ to be an American.

        • @ Archaeon,

          You will have to face some truths within a few years. Obama’s term is almost over. He cannot come back.

          • …good thing he’s doing what he needs to right now then, isn’t it? Oh, and I would LOVE to know how he changed the history textbooks…especially since the majority of the approved material must pass through Texas first, as it is one the biggest markets for said material.

            Please, cite your source for such an ignorant accusation. THIS I want to see…

          • By the way, you’re preaching to the wrong guy about truths…I successfully completed my education, replete with different, often equally supported, if not necessarily equally favorable or egalitarian sources.

            Did you?

    • @Ed D, do we need to call someone for you?

  16. These days the internet gives a voice to the loud minority, and it’s quite possible that the majority of the people who saw the film didn’t care that he killed Zod, but aren’t the type to go talk about it on the internet.

    • +1
      Exactly. The general audience is a whole different crowd than most of the people talking about movies online.

    • Exactly. The majority don’t care. Better yet most liked the ending and see the importance of it for future story telling.

  17. Well, it’s good that Goyer’s addressing the “controversial ending”.

    Now he needs to address whether or not he’s going to bring someone else in to help with the script, because that was the real problem with Man of Steel.

    Seriously, I have very little desire to see this movie if it’s just going to be another 2.5 hours of exposition and Bold Declarations of Truth.

    • I think you should boycott this movie.

  18. I wonder if they’ll have Batman be more open to killing if theres no option left. He usually does within the past films anyways. And he would if called for it even if it’s against his code.

  19. MOS does many great things and has many flaws. I like the begins comparison (hopefully MOS2 is like TDK) My 2 big questions are 1) can superman still restart the kryptonian race with the codex and 2) how does zod fly through buildings and get tackled from space and live,but then die when his neck gets snapped?

    • I would think that it’s because he is strong enough to not get hurt from earthly objects, but Superman has the strength to actually do some damage.

    • One problem I had with the film was it seems some gases can hurt Kryptonians. The most intelligent villain on Earth (Lex) should be able to exploit that particular vulnerability with ease.

  20. @ Auzz

    They change things. In Smallville Zod resorted to using Blue K to trying to kill Clark since both would be powerless & Zod was a skilled soldier who was trained to fight more so than Clark.

  21. All throughout the dark knight trilogy there was a lot of focus on batmans “one rule” to which he saw through to the end of TDKR. But he didn’t seem to have much of a problem when Catwomen blasted the hell out of bane at the end (something I thought needed to be fleshed out more in the film-even though that film was already too long.) so my question still is why we’re people so upset about supes killing zod? Bane was moments away from killing batman until cat women saved the day. Had she not though, would he still have adhered to his one rule? Just let bane kill him to become some sort of martyr? I completely agree with Goyer, supes had absolutely no choice, just like no matter who killed bane. it HAD to be done. Even though Tdkr was the most devisive film of the trilogy I think people are just giving Snyder and Goyer far too much unnecessary crap for this decision. Supes had no choice, none whatsoever, some call it bad writing but I thought it was genius. “The big blue Boy Scout” is outdated in and of itself and this new version of supes needed more depth. Was that horribly agonizing scream after the death of Zod not good enough for people? That alone had me sold on why Supes did what he did and how horribly it did\will continue to affect his overarching story for these films. Lighten up people, it’s not like Goyer and Snyder wanted to piss people off. At least they didn’t rape the canon of superman (looking at you iron man 3). Thoughts?

    • He also didn’t have a problem “not saving” Ra’s Al Ghul, or tackling Two-Face off a multi-story drop… to his death, or fire missiles at Talia forcing her to drive a truck through a cement barrier and crash land head-on into the street below.

      • I wasn’t that bothered with Superman killed zod or that batman didn’t save Al Ghul or that he killed 2 face or that he didn’t have a problem with catwoman killing bane (although I felt that was anticlimatic). The big difference, however, was that batman wasn’t going around destroying the city. Yes he did shoot 2 missles into a building in an effort to get the bomb away from the population but that was just because he was running out of time. In MOS, superman could have moved the fight to a less populated place.

        • He really could NOT have moved the fight, since Zod had already specifically made it clear that he was focusing his attention on the humans (and their extinction).

          Kal pushes one way; Zod merely pushes him back the other way…a lose-lose scenario…for humanity.

          • To me, I didn’t even see superman try.

            • Pretty sure I saw him throw Zod into space… away from the city.

              • Yep.

  22. I agree with Goyer. All the things that were controversial in Man of Steel is apart of a story arc that will span future sequels. Superman killing Zod that will help shape his morality. And the destruction of Metropolis weigh
    on Superman and shape his sense of responsabilty.

    • Just like when he was riding his bike through a damaged metropolis looking for a job
      Yep
      The destruction of metropolis will teach him about responsibility
      Smh

  23. I think I figured out what his middle name is. It’s David S*** Goyer. Go away and take Zhack Snyder with you, too. You’re just making me sad that you’re being employed instead of talents like Bruce Timm, Paul Dini or Greg Wiseman.

  24. I admit when I first saw “Man of Steel” I disagreed with Superman killing off Zod, however after listening to the reasoning behind it, I can get behind it. I look forward to watching the sequel and seeing how they address Superman’s inability to prevent the mass destruction he caused (let’s be honest, Supes managed to stem the damage much like how a firefighter sometimes have to set fires to stem the damage of a forest fire. The reason I look forward to it is because Batman’s philosophy to “no killing” has been murky in just about every medium he has been in. It’s almost like a drug dealer telling their kid to not do drugs. Due to the lack of space there is to bring up this debate I will say look at the first 3 Batman movies, look at how in the Dark Knight Trilogy how he will kill of villains like Ras, Two-Face, and Talia but only when it suits him, and Batman Beyond (before fanboys start demanding my head, this hypocrisy to Batman, makes him a more dimensional character at least to me, one of my favorite heroes)

  25. When I saw the ending, I was just as shocked as everyone else at what Supes did, but I get it. I’m not angry at all about how it all played out because, like Goyer says, I figured it would play a big role in any following films. Plus, the way Cavill played Superman in this film reminds me a lot of Grant Morrison’s New 52 Action Comics Superman (which, if you haven’t read any yet, I highly recommend it.) He’s young, inexperienced, slightly arrogant, and a little morally ambiguous. He’s on his way to becoming that Christopher Reeve-esque Superman we all know and love. And that’s what I saw in Man of Steel. He’s learning. He’s growing up. And I think we’ll see a lot more development on that in the sequels.

  26. damn, i think Lex Luthor will appear witha kryptonian/human hybrid tech suit

  27. I didn’t have any problems either. The only scene that was lame is when Pa Kent dies. It should have been done in a different way. They could have made an scene where the tornado was going to pull up the bridge and killed all the people there forcing Clark to stay there and watch his Dad die.

    • @ Hector

      I prefer both Mr. & Mrs. Kent lived. So they’re always there to give Clark advice as Whether problems are facing Clark or Superman.

  28. 2 pages. :)

  29. PEOPLE DID NOT GET OUTRAGED WHEN SUPERMAN(CHRISTOPHER REEVE) BASICALLY KILLED ZOD IN THE ORIGINAL SUPERMAN 2 MOVIE I SUPPOSE CAUSE OF THE LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC THAT WAS PLAYING DURING THE KILLING OF ZOD IN THAT MOVIE LOL

    • So what if MOS sucks? Superman2 sucked just as bad!

      • Cute…but just as pointless as your other statement.

    • Depends which version of Superman 2 people watch. In The Richard Donnor Cut, all 3 of them live as Superman turns back time again as if they never escaped the Phantom Zone.

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