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THC4U&ME says:

Esau is the smoke monster, he took bens daughters body used it to tell ben to listen to everything locke says so he will kill jacob.

GeeCee says:

Jin wasn’t on Ajira 316 so Sun couldn’t return to 1977. Ben & Frank neither were on that flight. The ones sent to 2007 are there because their circumstances weren’t completed by returning on the Ajira flight.

Mark says:

Sorry for double-post. The eye in question: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5595/lost6eye.png

Craig says:

The hydrogen bomb assisted in the Incident. This all happened in the past (What happened, happened.). Nothing the Losties have done in the past has altered anything, and I think the proof of this is Chang losing his hand. The explosion will send the Losties from ‘77 to the present.

A lot of the time, you see Smokey scanning the characters in earlier episodes, maybe trying to decide which would be more suitable to inhabit once they die? If you notice, the only people that come back to life on the island are those whose bodies are on the island. Yemi, Christian and now Locke. The only thing I’m wondering is if Christian is smokey (which I think he is), where is his body? I remember Jack finding his empty coffin at some point in the earlier seasons.

The most obvious example of smokey being evil is, as you said, it appearing as Ben’s ‘daughter’ to tell him to follow everything Locke says, which instantly leads to Jacob dying.

When they find Jacob’s cabin in the woods, they say he hasn’t been there in a long time, and that someone else had been living there. Ghost Shephard/Claire, perhaps? They know someone is after Jacob, because when they show Lupedis the body, they say that what it means is something much worse than just Locke being dead

I think Richard came on the Black Rock. He’s obviously not a God, as I presumed, because he said that ‘Jacob made me this way’ in reference to his immortality. The Black Rock would be the perfect introduction point. Richard’s name was Ricardus, which is Latin origins.

Just a few random ideas :)

Betty says:

The way I see lost now is how I conceive life… God/good/love vs Satan/evil/hate… Jacob is God… he believes in us… he somehow “touches” everyone`s life… we believe in him… we have never met him… we have faith.
Jacobs evil enemy surely tries to touch us too… we have a choice… we either have faith or we don`t. He kills Jacob taking advantage of mankind`s weakness messing up with Ben`s faith… Ben`s so mad at Jacob… he had believed in him without ever meeting, he followed him and his daughter ended up dead…things didn`t turn out the way he expected… WHAT WOULD WE TELL GOD IF WE WERE BEN??? Would our faith be enough or would we speak up?? Think about it…
So I believe the secret is living Rose and Bernard`s way.. fullfilled with love, peace, wisdom… all your problems… let them go… God will make them dissapear.
This is what I loved about Lost… never mind about the statue or the Losties… that`ll come in next season…

mimi52 says:

So…
1. I don’t think Jacob is dead. If nothing else, we still have the phoenix imagery (the immortal bird that rises from the flame, and along with time, starts again)…

2. Jacob says that the tapestry took a long time to weave, because he’s making the thread himself. What does he make the thread from? Does he weave and unweave the tapestry, to recreate the story again and again and again…

3. I don’t think the guy in the dark shirt (refuse to call him Esau) is the only one who can use the dead to speak to others. I think Jacob does, too (Ana Lucia, Libby, Charlie).

4. I think Bernard and Rose are dead. And I think Jacob was using them to talk to James, Juliet and Kate.

5. Our heart’s desire? Redemption, of course…to figure out a way to undo our mistakes, to trade in the trash of life for something worthwhile. As the shopkeeper in Ames, Iowa says to Jacob and Katie, as long as someone pays, I guess it’s okay…

zendamon says:

Two great posts, Mimi and Betty . . .

Dan says:

Excellent post! And excellent comments (for the most part). After reviewing our three Egyptian deities and comparing each to the statue in Lost, I am quite certain that we are dealing with Anubis. Here’s why: (1) it really looks nothing like Taweret, who is part hippopotamus/lioness/crocodile. (2) Sobek has the head of a crocodile, and the ears of a crocodile are essentially holes rather than the pointy, upright ears that are clearly visible on the Lost statue. (3) Anubis has the head of a jackal, a canine, which has raised, pointy ears. Bingo! We have a match with our jackal-headed statue, at long last! Also, as has been discussed by my fellow Anubites here on this forum, Anubis’ divine role (afterlife, death, protector of the deceased) just plain fits better with everything that has been revealed lately.

zendamon says:

Except Lost’s official website says that Tawaret is the statue. . . .in the show recap. . . .

Dan says:

Wow … that is one awful depiction of Tawaret. Shame on Lost’s art crew.

Dan says:

Also, people have frequently been saying that Esau inhabits dead bodies. This is incorrect: he does not “inhabit” or reanimate corpses. For example, the mystery people bring Locke’s body to the foot of the statue of Tawaret (thank you, zendamon and your new-fangled websites, though what a disappointment it is that it wasn’t Anubis, Lord of the Dead) and present it to Richard. Inside the statue at the exact, same instant, we find Esau (still in Locke form) with Ben and Jacob.

Thus, Esau may emulate people who have deceased, but he does not “inhabit” their rotting corpses. In other words, Smokey Esau physically transforms into the form of the dearly departed, as opposed to Supernatural’s premise of the smokey-demons entering and possessing a body. And zendamon, please let me know what you’re infallible website sources say on the matter, if anything.

zendamon says:

Thank you Dan for clarifying the “animation” issue which many posts have taken great liberties with . . .One post has suggested that only bodies that are on the island have reapppeared however, Ben’s mother appeared to him after her death and she died on the mainland. . . .

I will say one of the posts did mention that we haven’t seen what happened to Christian’s body since Jack said that he saw the coffin which had no body in it. . . .So there may be something to the whole body thing . . .but again it is really inconsistent because Locke is both dead in body and animated as well.

As far as official rulings, there is none on this. In fact, having the luxury of an official statement is a rare thing. Here is the link if you are interested . . .

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648

Craig says:

zendamon, it was me who made both those points (ie. inhabiting only the bodies on the island/Christian’s body disappearing).

I was just heading over here to mention Ben’s mother, but yes, that throws the spanner in my plans.

Who else thought that Claire’s actions were really weird (ie. her giving up Aaron/staying with Ghost Dad)? Anyone have any theories to do with that?

I like the idea of Smokey scanning the islanders to find the most suitable to complete the killing task, which is why it spent so much time with both Locke and Mr. Eko (before Eko proved somehow unworthy and was killed). What did Eko say to whoever was with him when he died? Was it something like “You’re next,” to Locke? Or has my mind invented stuff >_>

Craig says:

I say inhabit, but I do mean ‘mimic’. I understood the implications of Locke’s body being in the crate/Jacob’s Enemy appearing as him at the same time.

Just to clarify.

Dan says:

Yes, the idea of a Scanning Smokey is indeed very appealing. =) Totally agree with you there. And, yeah, that is odd that Christian’s body disappeared and Locke’s did not. However, I believe either way, Locke’s body being present throws a fork in the “inhabiting” theory. Transforming or shape-shifting are more accurate terms here.

Dan says:

Ah yes, ‘mimic’ does sum it up nicely. Well put.

zendamon says:

Yes Craig ’twas you. Thank you for being so gracious in being corrected. I am up very late and didn’t feel like scrolling back to see who that was. So thank you for introuduciing yourself. . . .

So you were saying on the subject of the mimic thing that if the body was on the island then Smokey could “mimic” it without in fact entering it and inhabiting it. Good point. I think the only exception to that would be Ben’s mom. which makes me wonder if her body isn’t somewhere on the Island somehow.

I have been trying to provoke discussion on another theory i have. i am going to repost it below and maybe one or both of you gents can comment.

Dan says:

Yes, Claire’s behavior was very strange, indeed. It does seem that a living, infant son should take priority over a dead, “ghost” dad … apparently not for Claire, though.

Craig says:

I wondered if Claire was dead at that point, but I don’t think even Smokey can mimic two people at once >_>

I would love to comment on any theory.

But I forgot something. Sun mentioned the names of those trapped in the past, and Alpert said he saw them die…either they stay in the past after the boom (which would counter my theory of the bomb sending them forward through time) and Richard observes them dying at another time, or he was watching the Incident from a nearby place and saw the blast and either saw the aftermath (Losties dead), or couldn’t see their bodies anywhere because they were sent forward through time and assumed they were dead.

zendamon says:

i haven’t seen anyone theorize this . . .I am new to this posting. I know I picked a strange time to get involved but if anyone is still reading . . . .i would LOVE to hear your great minds think of this. . . .
I am wondering about the nosebleeds as evidence for when they have been on the island. I think Daniel may have been on before any of the Losties and even before his own mother. See my theory below . . ..

the order that they received them as they were time skipping was charlotte, miles, juliet, sawyer…

My question is:

What about Daniel? did his nose bleed? I don’t think it did and i think Daniel may have been on the Island before. Maybe even before his Mom! Maybe he really did bring the bomb, Jughead to the island, So that when we first see Daniel meet Richard Richard said to Daniel, “So you are here for your bomb?”

As viewers we all assumed that Daniel was going along with Richard because that seemed to be keeping them safe.

But what if Richard actually meant that he had met Daniel before in connection with the bomb?

What if Daniel didn’t want Charlotte and company to know the depth of his involvement with Time Travel?

He may have known a lot more than he was letting on to everyone. He was the Time Travel guy . . .

How did that bomb get there? Daniel may have been aware that he had to get a bomb there to alter the Incident and so somehow arranged for it to happen in previous time travel visits . . .

Maybe he knew that he was going to die when he walked into camp brandishing the weapon. He may have known a LOT more than we as viewers have been led to believe.

I love Daniel and hope that somehow there is a way to change what happened to make him live and i KNOW that sentiment is shared by Eloise Hawking.

by the way, any theories on how his name came to be Daniel Faraday since supposedly Eloise HAWKING and Charles WIDMORE are his parents?

Could this have anything to do with my theory of his time traveling?

zendamon says:

Craig:

I like the way you summarize the possible scenarios for Richard having seen them dead. those are excellent and clear possiblities.

Dan says:

One poster wrote something that I found incredibly intriguing: they suggested that Juliet time-travelled as she fell into the swirling vortex of electromagnetic energy (which also could have accounted for her dampened fall, and hence her surprising survival). So the bomb technically could have gone off anywhere along the timeline, not necessarily 1977 as we are led to believe.

However, if the bomb DID go off in 1977, then it stands to reason that our beloved characters would be sent to 2007, and the timeline from 1977 to 2007 would be totally rewritten in regards to the island – however, were that the case, they would have absolutely no memory of the Island at all, or anything that has happened on the series. The would continue about the things that originally sent them to Los Angeles with no recollection whatsoever of the Island.

Dan says:

zendamon

I believe they said that the bomb was on the island because some country spotted the island at one point and, assuming it was uninhabited, decided to use it as a nuclear testing ground (akin to the Bikini Atoll islands). It’s evident that the test was not very successful, as the bomb did not go off as intended upon impact with the island (perhaps due to the island’s plethora of unique qualities).

And wasn’t the whole Richard-Daniel dialogue based on the fact that Daniel visited Richard during one of the flashes and urgently told him to bury the bomb (as it was still exposed during that flash)? Thus, Richard would be remembering that instance, much like he remembered meeting Locke during a similar flash.

zendamon says:

Dan: You could be right on both points. I don’t remember either one. i thought the only time that Daniel dealt with the bomb from our perspective was when he met his mum for what we are led to believe is the first time.

Dan says:

However, as far as Daniel knowing that his mommy was going to kill him and other events, I’m not sure — he seemed genuinely shocked as he spoke his dying words to dear mum: “you knew!!” It really seemed, though, like HE didn’t know, if you know what I mean. He’s not exactly a master manipulator / deceiver like Ben Linus was, and Esau is.

zendamon says:

Dan:

What i think is interesting is that he could have known and still be surprised that she knew.

zendamon says:

i found another interesting development in the world of “official Lost land.” i am posting a quote from a post on Lostpedia.

by Sam McPherson at 2:53:00 PM

Could it be? The start of a new ARG? It certainly seems so, and this one seems to be going back to the style of The Lost Experience.

Recently, a Twitter account for a Simeon Hobbes (from Tunis, Tunisia) was established, that posted snippets like, “”There is a time for many words, and there is also a time for sleep.” Hear, O Jacob, and bless me in rest,” and “We’ve all lost so much. Jacob, weave the right path.”

When I first saw these Tweetings, I noticed the Lost references but could help but think that perhaps it was just a bored fan trying to stir up some excitement for this long break ahead. That was, until the YouTube channel for The Lost Experience posted a video entitled “Who is Simeon Hobbes?” The video was of a constellation, but the audio was morse code, which, when translated, read “I AM THE BENNU BIRD, THE HEART-SOUL OF RA, THE GUIDE OF THE GODS TO THE TUAT.” Hobbes then posted an instruction “Follow the Phoenix,” which a user quickly determined referred to Twitter user Epithet Alpha, whose first Twitter post was the quote mentioned above. Simeon Hobbes later confirmed that Epthet Alpha was indeed who he was referring to, stating simply, “Phoenix found.”

It’s all very Egyptian, which relates to the statue of Taweret, as well as the Temple and all those hierogyphs. But what does it mean? What will we find out in preparation for next year? Who is Simeon Hobbes?

The one thing about Hobbes that we can tell you is that he shares his name with the philosopher Thomas Hobbes, who along with the real John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau is one of the guiding lights that Thomas Jefferson used when writing the Declaration of Independence.

It’s exciting to see Twitter becoming the grounds for an all-new ARG, one which I might actually follow this time around.

As always, you can find Lostpedia on Twitter here. Simeon Hobbes’ Twitter can be found here, and Epithet Alpha’s Twitter can be found here.

We’ll keep you posted with all the developments into this new ARG.

Craig says:

Okay, I’ll address your theory, zendamon, in one second.

Firstly, I’d like to address the idea of the Incident and the ability that anything the Losties do in the past could possibly change the future. There has been nothing to show that the Losties presence in the past could change anything at all. I don’t know what people are basing the idea that the explosion will send anyone to 2004 or whatever. It doesn’t make any sense, whatsoever.

Onto the Faraday theory. I would love to believe it, as I love Faraday oh so much. However, like it’s been said, he’s not the master manipulator. At best, I don’t think he would have known how he would die until he died.

However, don’t forget that he tested the time travel thing on himself at one point, then on his assistant and then both suffered from brain damage. I can only assume Faraday was brain damaged until he landed on the island, which gives me a hilariously perverse (or perversely hilarious, iunno which) image of brain damaged Faraday parachuting to the island. But still, who knows what happened to his brain that caused it to be scrambled…

In response to the Twitter viral marketing…awesome. So very, very cool.

Dan says:

Lol at parachuting Faraday image =). About the time-travel from the explosion thing … it’s not that they “time-travel” necessarily, it’s just that the bomb accomplishes exactly what Daniel, Jack and Co. wanted it to all along … and that is destroy the source of electromagnetism so that their plane never crashes on the Island in 2004. However, something tells me that THAT is not what happened … either the explosion did NOT occur in 1977 at all (see my post above), or the writers throw yet another monkey wrench into the pot. Because the main cast having absolutely no recollection of the island and proceeding with their lives as if Oceanic 415 never crashed … I dunno, but it doesn’t really seem like that would be a viable direction to steer the show.

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