Lost Season 5 Finale Review & Discussion

Published 5 years ago by , Updated February 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm,

Some Issues

lost ben linus season 5 finale Lost Season 5 Finale Review & DiscussionWhile the episode is a mind-exploder and television entertainment at its finest for those who like to think about the shows they watch, it was not perfect and I had some little gripes with it.

A dumb thing for me was Ben telling Locke that he made up that conversation he had with Jacob when he brought Locke to the cabin back in season 3. That seems like a bit of a retcon and they’ve yet to address how/why the cabin disappears or moves. I felt that it was a weak cop-out of sorts and Ben saying he did it because he was embarrassed didn’t make sense with his character and what else happened in that cabin scene. It seems that Ben turned into a more of a childlike character motivated by jealousy. That being said, we have seen him like that before with regards to Juliet…

Speaking of which, Juliet and Kate make no sense to me. They seem to have no earnest motivation for their actions and often seem to change their mind or support different characters simply out of spite of others. I don’t get their characters and we saw plenty of that this episode. To make it worse, there was one flashback for Juliet about her parents divorce thrown into the show for no purpose whatsoever other than to add lame dialogue for her to say to Sawyer.

Religious Themes

Alright, let’s get biblical! The episode was ripe with religious connotations with the most focus obviously on Jacob and his enemy Esau who has taken the form of Locke in an attempt to take advantage of a loophole to kill him since he cannot himself. What did I just say? That’s not confusing.

This dynamic we witnessed was cool but it was from the perspective of Esau (the other dude from the intro scene with Jacob) and I hope next season we get more of him and Jacob. Specifically, I want to see more history on Jacob and episodes focusing in on his perspective over the previous seasons and leading up to the events in the show.

Since I don’t have months to do all the research needed to grasp the history and knowledge required to completely understand the show, I’ll cheat and cite some things from the Lost wiki:

Jacob envisioned a “Ladder to Heaven” (described in the Book of Genesis 28:11-19) during his flight from his brother Esau.

In all three – Hebrew, Muslim, and Christian interpretations, Jacob’s ladder can be considered as a bridge between two worlds… a connection between God and Man. In the Bible, Tanakah and the Qur’an, Jacob was the younger twin of Esau. Benjamin was Jacob’s youngest son. Jacob died in Egypt in slavery… but Jacob’s descendants went on.

Egypt… like an Egyptian Statute perhaps? Could Jacob’s descendants be the losties he has chosen in the flashbacks…  Likely relating to that list we kept hearing about starting in season 3. Remember when Pickett says that Jack’s “not even on Jacob’s list”?

lost john locke esau jacob Lost Season 5 Finale Review & DiscussionEsau, who I assume is Jacob’s brother from the intro, seems to be the bad guy in all of this, taking the form of Locke to attempt to have Jacob killed.

In the Bible and Tanakah, Aaron is a direct descendant from Jacob.

Aaron? How interesting. Good thing Kate left him off-island or else, baby go boom!

According to the Book of Malachi, God “loved Jacob but hated his brother Esau” (Malachi 1:1-3).

Remember that “God Loves you as He Loved Jacob” video that Karl was forced to watch back in season 3? That same room that Walt was likely put in when held captive and forced to “take tests” back in season 2? Things are starting to come full circle!

There’s also mention in the religious texts of a guardian/guardian angel for Esau and him being evil. Could this be Smokey the monster? That would certainly explain it taking the form of young Rousseau and telling Ben to follow Esau (in Locke form) which led to Ben’s willingness to kill Jacob for him (Hence, Esau find and using a loophole). Also, this explains why Locke tells Richard to tell the real Locke during that time loop paradox that he needs to die in order to bring back the Oceanic Six to the island – It was actually Esau telling Richard that!

We can extend this further to say that Smokey/Esau’s Guardian/Esau took the form of Jack’s dad, Christian Shephard and pretended to speak on Jacob’s behalf in older episodes. The phrase and episode title “dead is dead” sure means a lot more now in relation to these characters.

The Smoke monster, also known as Cerberus from the map we saw hidden in the hatch made by Radzinksy and Kelvin, seems to be the protector of the temple and so it has some connection to the ancient folk who built the structures and the statue. That map from the hatch also had several spots labeled “CV” which was confirmed to mean Cerberus Vents, likely the holes we’ve seen where the smoke monster comes from. As for the name “Cerberus,” in Greek and Roman mythology Cerberus is a multi-headed dog which guards the gates of Hades. Hades has multiple meanings, some of which refer to the ancient Greek underworld and its God, or the domain of the dead and the lord of the dead. Could that be Esau?

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  1. I believe that Esau is the Smoke Monster! Here are several reasons, especially from the episode, in which Ben confronts the monster.

    The monster doesn’t show up, because it’s already there (as False-Locke).

    And then, Ben falls through the hole, down in the ancient room. “Locke” goes away and suddenly the monster shows up! Later transforms into Alex and as soon as Alex vanishes, Locke shows up again!

    We also know, that the monster can transform into persons, as Esau\False-Lock did.

  2. When Jack was still held captive in the cages, I remember that there were adults and children walking past him and asking him questions especially regarding Ana Lucia. I recall the woman was the stewardess from the plain who gave Jack the free liquor and the two children were the one’s who were kidnapped I believe in season three. What happened to all of those people that were snatched on the beach and I still don’t see explanations behind taking the kids.

  3. FYI: this website contains a comprehensive article about Smokey, and is well worth the read.

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Monster

    And to answer the question about the kidnapped children, one of the Others, Tom, said that it was to give them a better life.

  4. I found this site listing the ship’s manifest for the Black Rock. It’s interesting, but is it Canon or fake?

    http://www.onentofl.com/magnushanso.html

  5. Wow, that’s certainly interesting. What is a ship from England doing in the Pacific? Also noticed some of the names from the show but I also noticed some names from Heroes, Linderman, Adam Monroe. Interesting.

  6. but that is not verified. how in the world can we be certain where it came from, and especially who was on it?

  7. Well, hopefully we will find out. I personally think it’s the oceanic 6. They were propelled into that time with the event. LOL!!

  8. wow. daniel miles richard (i assumed thats when he arrived) 2 widmores likely charles’ ancestors…

    you guys hear the rumors that all the cast members who have died are coming back? and that matthew fox said the finale of the series will be so moving that he gets overwhelmed just thinking of it? this after claiming he’s the only cast member who knows how the show will end.

    im excited.

  9. i believe filming for lost season 6 began this week in hawaii? 22nd, 26th…i heard around that time filming was scheduled to commence. im very much looking forward to the final act. i do not believe it will disappoint.

  10. exciting news for LOST fans!!

    This Saturday, September 12, 2009 in Anaheim, CA, LOST cast members are going to be making a public appearance at Disney’s D23 Convention; additionally some really fantastic pieces of LOST history are going to be on display- including Kate’s toy plane, Hurley’s winning lottery ticket, Locke’s hunting knife, Sawyer’s letter and many other surprises! These items will be on view Thursday September 10 through Sunday, September 13, the entire weekend of D23, and will be up for auction after the series finale in May of 2010.

    Look for the guys in the Dharma suits! For the full story, go to profilesinhistory.com

  11. did you guys hear about the big auction after the series finale next year???

    check out profilesinhistory.com for the news!

  12. I want Lockes knife. and Kates plane. or kate herself if shes being auctioned. dominic wouldnt mind.

    i cant wait to see richards backstory. he’s a regular now, to appear in 16 episodes. dominic will be in 3. ecko may be back. will jacob be back? the comment “maybe hes a candidate” by bram and llana….the need a new jacob, jacob new this was coming all along right? he was prepared. thats why he went to llana (with gloves on as to not “touch” anyone and said “i need you.” ok enough rant. just sharing ideas.

  13. I think Lapidis is going to be a candidate for the new Jacob. Jacob is supposed to be the morally righteous and upstanding man in the Bible, and he appears to be this way in the finale as well. Lapidis is the one character in the show that hasn’t shown any sign of immorality, evil, or flat-out dislikable actions. It makes perfect sense he would become the new Jacob (if a new Jacob is on the way)

  14. We’re getting closer. month and change until season 5 dvd release, 2 and change until season 6. i will miss this series when it ends. but until then…

    will the true locke be back? jacob perhaps re-incarnated through one of our losties? aaron and walt may return aged?

    im looking forward to richards backstory and why he was chosen by jacob to advise the “others’ leaders over time. we know charles widmore, ellois, ben, then very briefly locke as the previous 4. who came before, and who comes next? religiously and spiritually, what are the producers trying to tell us? why did matthew fox say in an interview that the season 6 finale would be overwhelming, sad, joyous, that the show could not possibly continue because it will offer complete closure, etc. whats in store guys?

  15. i know,im slow, i always waitfor the LOST seasons to come out on DVD then watch them all in a marathon! so i just finished the end of season 5….
    wow.
    i didnt actually realise how much i loved the season as a whole until they stared to piece ethings together at the end of the season.
    im a massive fan of jack, and reading over all you notes from the page (which are unbelievably thought out! …in a cool way)
    i really hope jack makes some kind of sacrifice at the end of the final series that kind of saves everyone…although its a massive shame that locke turns into a ?bad guy?.
    and YES, i want to see some more of jacob, i think the whole religious theme is awesome.
    when you think about it, the whole series of lost, from season 1 to 5…(nearing 6) has been all about science VS ?god?

    maybe…?

    kev

  16. No doubt we will all find meaning in even the most casually placed propin the new pictures mimicing DaVinci's “Last Supper”. For example: There are two skulls on the ground – one each at the feet of Hurley (Jorge Garcia) and Sayid (Naveen Andrews), whose position corresponds with that of Judas. Does this represent a nuclear holocaust?

    In the images, Jack (Matthew Fox) is placed in the Apostle Thomas’ spot.

    The cast is seated at a table fashioned from an airplane wing and sitting in airline seats. Behind them is a destroyed Dharma Initiative outpost bearing the Swan logo. At the end of the table there is an empty seat.

    The empty seat on the right remains empty in both pictures. Hmmm.

    Or is this just another stunt placed as a red herring designed to throw everyone off? Is J.J. Abrams messing with us?

    This is the link to the pictures

    http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2010/01/05/new-prom

  17. Funny about the names of the “Good vs Evil” characters.

    According to the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible, Esau was the fraternal twin brother of Jacob (whom God renamed Israel)—the patriarch and founder of the Israelites. Esau and Jacob were the sons of Isaac and Rebekah, and the grandsons of Abraham and Sarah. Esau was born first and when Jacob was born, he held onto Esau's heel (Genesis 25:26) Reading further about this you will find that Jacob tricked Esau into getting the birthright from thier father. Esau wanted to kill Jacob later but was thwarted by Jacob and his sons against overwhelming odds. Later, God despised what Esau did to Jacob and others and destroyed his family and descendants with a few exceptions. Interesting?

  18. Funny about the names of the “Good vs Evil” characters.

    According to the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible, Esau was the fraternal twin brother of Jacob (whom God renamed Israel)—the patriarch and founder of the Israelites. Esau and Jacob were the sons of Isaac and Rebekah, and the grandsons of Abraham and Sarah. Esau was born first and when Jacob was born, he held onto Esau's heel (Genesis 25:26) Reading further about this you will find that Jacob tricked Esau into getting the birthright from thier father. Esau wanted to kill Jacob later but was thwarted by Jacob and his sons against overwhelming odds. Later, God despised what Esau did to Jacob and others and destroyed his family and descendants with a few exceptions. Interesting?

  19. I am totally disappointed with the ending of LOST!!! The show started off so exciting and progressively got crazier and crazier only to end in all of them being DEAD????? Why put us through six seasons only to have them all die?? All the flash backs, forwards and every which way have together with the ending left a really bad taste…. EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING GUYS!!!!!!

    • Everything dies sooner or later. I thought the ending was very honoring of that.

  20. The defining feature that makes a program a soap opera, according to Albert Moran, is “that form of television that works with a continuous open narrative. Each episode ends with a promise that the storyline is to be continued in another episode”. Wikipedia.
    If LOST is revolutionary in any way, it is simply that it has transformed the soap opera format into something that is completely new. We’re all talking about the finale and what it means, and completely ignoring all the high drama of previous episodes and series. No one’s talking about the numbers, for example, or Locke and the button (2 or 3 hours of viewing at least), the war between Linus and Widmore (hours of viewing) to name but a few of these intense moments of drama. But why aren’t these important to us now? In the same way that what happened in Coronation Street 10 years ago isn’t important.
    This series cannot be compared a program like The Wire in any way – plot development, characterisation, script – but it can be compared the melodrama played out in Neighbours where we’re absolutely absorbed by what happens one day, and are capable of forgetting about it completely just a few weeks later.
    In LOST, almost every episode introduced some new kind of mystery. In fact they threw so many at us that the only way to keep watching was to forget what had come before. The only kind of program that requires its audience to accept these kind of radical changes is a Venezuelan ‘culebron’ where the characters spend their days trying to kill each other or locked in a dungeon in high heels and a mini-skirt. And then get married a couple of weeks later.
    Please, correct me you can think of a format that is more similar.
    The characters go from being psychotic killers to normal people and back, from episode to episode. Surely no one took Claire seriously when she started walking around with a gun and her hair all messed up.
    And why isn’t anyone talking about how poor the script was. Almost every conversation, every scene was the same cliff-hanger nonsense. “Do what I want because a. if you don’t something terrible will happen b. all your dreams will come true.” Please. This is 100% venezuelan. In comparison, I think of the scene in the Wire where McNulty is confronted by D’Angelo’s mum about her son’s murder, and it still breaks my heart. And this is being compared to a scene where people who spent a good part of their lives trying to kill each other all kiss and make up in a church for no good reason? …
    At best LOST is a soap opera with an identity crisis (identity crisis because soaps don’t ever finish) , at worst it was just a bad program and the writers have been stringing us along to see how much of their nonsense we would swallow.

  21. Can someone please tell me what happened to Frank Lapidus the pilot, he wasn’t in the end scene, and we clearly see him flying off the island with Richard, Miles, Kate, and Sawyer. What happened to the people who got on the plane and flew off?

    • I’m guessing they went home.

  22. This may be redundant as I’ve only scanned the prior comments, but it does seem that the prugatory sideways plot of the last year which I agree that is what it was, has nothing to do with the island, which my wife pointed out. She was confused by the ending, I explained my thoughts they were all dead as explained and creating their realities before moving on – which is a common belief of afterlife researchers (a subject I follow) and then verified on this site that is the consensus. But then my wife astutely pointed out, “what does that have to do with the weirdness of the island?” I paused, thought about it and realized absolutely nothing. That ending – purgatory could have been slapped onto any show – since purgatory is an independent element of the events of the island. We all die – we all have unresolved issued we address in the afterlife before moving on to the next level of existence, etc… That is a completely independent theme from what occurred on the island – it could be a conclusion to Fringe or Flash Forward to use some current shows as examples. In other words they never explained why the island is a source of electromagnetic anomaly – nor why it had protectors in the first place and where the protectors powers came from. Having these people meet in again in the afterlife due to their shared experiences on the island doesn’t explain in any way or even connect to the weirdness of the island except for Desmond bridging both worlds. It seems like just a lot of noise and smoke to obcure the fact maybe they never had a good explanation to begin with and tacked on this ending hoping no one would realize it or rather to appease all the critics who believed that to be the case. One other item that bugs me – Juliet right before she died in Sawyer’s arms whispered to him “it worked” referring to the bomb changing the past/future. This contributed to the red herring of the sideways being a parallel world/timeline and not prugatory, however the finale refuted that. So what did she mean – or did the writers just use that at the time to mislead us and then forget about it later conveniently? Thoughts?

    • Juliet’s declaration that “it worked” is understandable considering she would’ve at that point found herself in the purgaverse, which was specifically designed to be that What-if possible alternate reality in which it did work.

      And while purgatory could’ve been “slapped” on any show, it truly did fit the themes of this particular series, having always been about religous themes and the idea that there was something bigger guiding them and uniting them.

      I think the explanation of the island and what it was, the symbolism of Jacob and the Smoke Monster was intentionally written to be the most basic of metaphors about the eternal conflict of good and evil and, as it always had since the first season, as fantastic as that island was, the focus was always on the lives of those characters.

      The purgatory setup was a perfect way to acknowledge those characters and recognize that the events that took place on the island was simply a representation of their individual and group test in life.

  23. Guys…it turns out that the people who created Lost, got lost in the end themselves! During the 4th season, they told us that everything would be explained before the show completed. Guess what … they lied for the extra money, as if they hadn’t made enough already…Shame on them to disappoint so many fans!

    Peace!

  24. 6 years LOST watching this show, that promised to reveal all, but just left me totally confused.

  25. Do you feel that they all died from a plane crash? Perhaps in the ocean as no one ever came to look for them and the island was the place that struggling souls all went to to struggle with good and evil and redemption; after all the dharma people, the others, etc assuming they were all dead too? Do you take it Richard was finally allowed to die too? Was Jacob and MIB the island guardians and now the island exists for the next group of souls who will work out thier struggles before they can move on? The more I think about this the more I wonder. When the oceanic six went home, was home another made up reality where they learned they were still miserable and needed to go back to the island to work out thier purpose? I really can’t wrap my hands about this yet. I loved the ending for the most part, loved Jack and his dad’s reconciliation. Cried like a baby.

  26. i feel you are a stupid asshole working for the lost creators…they created this show with no ending, they thought they can show everything in the world without ever explaining it. Just think about the mysteries and what they did with it.

    I would never ever suggest anyone to ever watch this show coz it is just crap folded in a nice wrapper.

  27. It’s really amazing how many people don’t even realize what happened in the end. Look how many people think they were dead the whole series. Look how many don’t realize that the events on the island really took place and were seperate from the side-story about the passage to death. Unless people were just not paying attention or they’re really dumb, it was absolutely clear that they were not dead the whole series. Please rewatch the last episode and pay more attention, especially to what Jack’s father tells him at the end about all of them dying at different times…some before Jack, some long after. Of coarse it’s up to each viewer if you think the whole side-story of them in this pre-afterlife was a good idea or not…but please at least understand that it was seperate from the main series of events on the island.

  28. Just one point-

    Could this be Smokey the monster? That would certainly explain it taking the form of young Rousseau and telling Ben to follow Esau (in Locke form) which led to Ben’s willingness to kill Jacob for him

    It was actually Alex, Ben’s daughter, that told him to follow Esau. (Although she’s Rousseau’s daughter, it was teenage Alex rather than young Rousseau.)

  29. why don’t you take that rag off your head, Anzit. oh wait, don’t, because it’s just a stupid piece of s*** in a nice wrapper.

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