‘Lost’ Finale Explained: Answering the Unanswered Questions

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If you’ve visited our Lost series finale review and discussion, you know that opinion is sharply divided over how one of the biggest TV shows of the last decade came to a close.

Some people thought the ending couldn’t have been any sweeter, while others are either frustrated or disappointed with how Lost ultimately wrapped.

However, there are those out there who are currently feeling confused about how Lost came to a close and ‘what it all meant.’ So to help these (snicker) lost souls out, we thought we’d at least try and offer some quick explanations of some of the lingering questions. Hopefully it helps and doesn’t just further confuse.

It must be noted that unlike sites like Lostpedia, I haven’t done years and years of research on this. I’m just a moderate Lost fan who happens to have a good mind for literary analysis. So here goes nothing. And in case you haven’t guessed already:

[MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!]

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THEY WERE NOT “DEAD THE WHOLE TIME”

I don’t know why people are having trouble understanding this, as it is CLEARLY explained in the final minutes of the finale episode by Christian Shephard (Jack’s dad). The original Oceanic 815 plane crash happened. Everything on the Island through seasons 1-6 happened. The “flash sideways” universe introduced in season 6 was a sort of stop-over point between life and afterlife (referred to here as the “purgatory universe”).

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Each person in this “purgatory universe” created a reality for themselves based on their lingering issues in life – that which they could not “let go” of. For Jack it was Daddy issues; Kate, the guilt of murder; Sawyer, the quest to find “Sawyer” and be a better man; Sayid, the unrequited love of Nadia; Charlie, looking for something “real” in his hollow life of fame, etc…

Everyone was still attached to their Earthly concerns (we’re getting very Buddhist here, bear with me) – but when they made contact with those people they’d met on the Island, they remembered the journey and growth they had experienced because of the Island, and could finally understand the connections and “purpose” brought into their damaged lives by being there. With that greater understanding of themselves, they were each ready to “leave” or “move on” to the next phase of existence – i.e., the true afterlife.

WHAT WAS THAT FINAL IMAGE OF THE CRASHED PLANE?

Some people are convinced the final image during the end credits of the Lost finale was the “clue” to the characters being dead the whole time. OK, let’s think about this: The image appears during the closing credits, after the final appearance of the “LOST” logo. That means that the story had officially ended. Saying that the biggest reveal came while the end credits were rolling is like saying a movie’s climax happens during the end credits. Not bloody likely.

The image of the plane crash (if you look closely) has memorabilia from the Lostie’s time on the beach where they first made camp. Shacks, towels, etc… it was one part nostalgia (remember where it all began?) and also one part commentary on the circular nature of the Island.

Like the Black Rock ship that brought Richard to the Island (“Ab Aeterno“), or the downed plane with the heroin that had Mr. Ecko’s brother’s corpse inside of it (“The 23rd Psalm“), the remains of Oceanic 815 and the evidence of a small community built on the beach are just more monuments of the Island. The next time somebody crashes there, they’ll see that stuff and wonder what the “mystery” behind it is…

Then they’ll whine and complain about how unsatisfying the answer is. (“What? That’s how that mystical guy “Hurley” came to the Island? LAME.”)

WHAT WAS DESMOND’S POWER?

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One of the biggest things people seem to be questioning is how Desmond was able to “wake up” from the purgatory universe and how he had the know-how to “wake up” the other Losties. For that answer, you really just have to look back over the history of Desmond.

Desmond (specifically through his connection to Penny Widmore) is a sort of “constant” in the show. No matter what happens, when, or where, Desmond seems somehow immune to the Island’s energy (which has electromagnetic properties) and has a sort of awareness that can transcend space and time (his consciousness shifts seen in episodes like “The Constant“). These “shifts” and Widmore’s explanation that Desmond is special because of his resistance to the Island’s energies, imply that Desmond would even be able to “shift” his consciousness back and forth between this universe and the purgatory one, catalyzed by Widmore’s team placing him in that huge electromagnetic machine in the season six episode, “Happily Ever After“.

So, it does stand to reason (at least Lost reasoning) that Desmond – after having his consciousness “shifted” to the purgatory reality – would “wake up” after encountering HIS constant, Penny. It’s another fast and loose metaphysical explanation, but one that (for me) still works within the framework of the show.

WHAT’S  THE DEAL WITH THE ISLAND’S “RULES?”

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Over the course of the show people have wondered about the mythology of the Island – where it came from, what it is and what are the “rules” that govern it and its mystical protectors? Admittedly, this is an area where the showrunners played things fast and loose, hoping that the momentum of the characters’ story arcs and the whole “good vs. evil” showdown would be enough to appease most fans. Alas, not so.

Season six of Lost did a great deal to semi-explain what the island was – a sort of container for a very important energy that seemingly links this world with worlds beyond… or something. That energy is represented by light and water, and if that light goes out and the water stops flowing, the world is basically screwed. Everything magical or fantastic about the Island stems from this energy, and many of the technological oddities found on the Island (the Swan Station from season 2) are a result of the Dharma Initiative trying to harness and control that energy (i.e., man trying to bend magic and mysticism to the will of modern science).

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However, there are some things that were definitely left unexplained: Why did the Man In Black become a smoke monster when he was exposed to the light (was it a manifestation of his corrupted soul)?; What is the nature of the “rules” that governed certain aspects of the Island – who could come and go, who could kill who, who was healed from injury (Locke, Rose), who lived forever (Richard). How were these rules established and maintained?

The Jacob/MIB origin episode, “Across The Sea”, attempted to fill in that aspect of the Island mythology, but what we came away with were a lot of vague pseudo-explanations. The protector of the Island basically makes up the rules and once those rules are established they are set until somebody (a new protector?) changes them. This is the reason why the MIB was obsessed with “finding a loophole” in order to kill Jacob; it’s also why Jack was ultimately able to kill the MIB. Smokey was connected to the energy source, and when Jack had Desmond “turn off” that energy, Smokey lost his powers and was merely flesh and blood again.

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Makes sense…doesn’t it?

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE BABY MAMA DRAMA?

One of the earliest sub-plots of the Lost mythos was the notion that pregnant women died on the Island before they could successfully give birth. This was especially important during season one, back when Claire was pregnant with Aaron and got kidnapped and experimented on by Ethan, a memeber of The Others (“Raised by Another” & “Homecoming“). Of course we now know that Ethan was likely working with baby-doctor Juliet to help Claire – that is before Charlie killed Ethan (oops!) – and that Aaron was likely born on the Island without incident because Claire was already far enough along in her pregnancy before coming to the Island (just like Jacob and the Man In Black’s mother).

However, the pregnancy issue popped up again in season 3 when Sun learned that she was pregnant (“The Glass Ballerina” & “D.O.C.” ) and was a the prominent focus of Juliet’s flashback arch (“One of Us“). So whatever happened to the mystery of the baby mama drama?

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Simple answer? Story developments made the issue a moot point in later seasons. Aaron was born fine, Sun eventually gave birth OFF the Island and Juliet died, even after she had no more pregnant patients to tend to. So really, when you think about it, there was no more of this story left to tell.

But does that excuse the fact that we never found out why pregnant women were dying on the Island? It might be bugging you, but I’m chalking this one up to being another random “rule of the Island.” Or maybe electromagnetic mystical lights just aren’t good for fetuses. Either way.

WHAT WAS WITH THE STATUE?

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This is one Lost mystery I don’t really need answered. Who built the statue, why they built it and what did represent are all things you can probably find out with some historical research on ancient cultures. People who have done the research claim the statue represents a goddess or fertility or something along those lines, linking the broken statue with the Island’s baby mama drama. Personally, I can neither confirm or deny the historical relevance of the statue -  if you’re curious, you should do the research.

As for the relevance of the statue to the Lost mythos: to me was evidence that the Island had been around for a long, long, time, and that people had been coming to it throughout history. So basically, it was a way to let viewers know, “This place plays a pivotal role in mankind’s existence.

I’m not trying to look much deeper than that.

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  1. So, I watched the final episode of Lost yesterday and now I’m trying to pretend it never happened.
    It is not because I didn’t get my answers, somehow I’ve known ever since season 1 that this was never going to happen, not entirely, anyway.
    But for me Lost was never about getting the clues, solving the mysteries. I always thought that the brilliance of the show came from its capacity of plot development inside the circular environment that represented the nature of the island. I needed revelation, more than I needed answers at certain things, and the show did a great job providing them for a while, as the progression of the story, nicely wrapped-up in its many, many layers, never ceased to amaze me.
    Lost was digging a hole that became deeper and deeper as the universe of the island was expanding in space and time, always requiring a higher level of understanding of the bigger picture.
    To think that, at some point everything would’ve simply fallen into places, that the hole would’ve been filled, eventually, well, that’s complete madness. More than that, it’s impossible.
    But that’s not what I asked for in the first place now, is it? So, the question here is, why am I so freaking disappointed with the Lost finale, then? Or, no, wait a second, (change of thoughts), a better question is yet to be put and more worthy for an answer: How could anyone not be, ever?
    Now, I know that there were lots of people for whom the ending made total sense, and made them feel complete and satisfied, and maybe even put a big smile on their faces, as the characters with whom they lived for 6 whole seasons were stepping into the light, moving forward to the next, maybe final stage of their existence, as there is nothing else beyond infinity. And I respect that. Furthermore, I even tried to embrace the same ideas and concepts those people did in order to loose themselves into those warm, fuzzy feelings and conclusions. But I failed miserably, and it is this failure that brings me to the point where I’m about to say…what I’m about to say:
    This was NOT a happy-ending. It wasn’t a bad ending either, and it is quite ironical that the show-producers decided to create the concept of an eventually-happily-ever-after one, considering what Lost is about, considering what it has always been about, as the show’s complexity never allowed the viewer to draw a straight line between pure evil and absolute good, (and yes, this includes the MIB a.k.a The Smoke Monster). Inside the universe of an almost flawless story progression the bad guys could be the bad guys only for so long, until a common enemy brings them and our survivors together, or until they fall into redemption. On the other hand, the survivors of Oceanic flight 815 have always had their own baggage, and I’m not talking about the one they checked in when they were on their way to leave Australia.
    And yet, we, the fans, are left with this ridiculous fairy-tale finale, in which everybody finds their soul mate and, as if none of the craziness that surrounded them for such a long time ever mattered, they feel complete and stop caring about anything else that happened, embracing full happiness,… or at least this is the feeling you get at first, and I would’ve made my peace with that. After all, a happy ending is a happy ending, so for how long can you really be upset about it?
    Except that, as I said before, this isn’t a happy ending. This isn’t a bad ending, either. This is a sad ending and, perhaps, the most depressing one anyone could’ve ever come up with. So, good job, Damon Lindelof, you’ve just ruined everything , (well, I know it happened years ago) !
    Now, this is where some of you might say that I didn’t get it, but sadly, I got it, I got it really well, (the idea and the message the producers were trying to send us) : It was beyond the hatch, and Dharma, and the Incident, and those special radio-magnetic waves that could’ve been the reason of healing for Locke and Rose, ( remember that trip she and Bernard took to see the shaman, and what he said to her?), it was beyond polar bears, and time travel, and The Others, it was beyond Jacob, beyond saving the world. Technically, yes, it was Jacob that brought Kate and Hurley, and Sayid, and Jack and Claire and Sawyer, and everyone, really, to the island in order to become candidates for taking his place, but it was a greater force that drowned them all together in one place, a really, really special place. We might as well say that Locke was right from the very beginning, and it had always been the island. The island itself brought them all there, and it became their savior, as being lost was the one thing that made the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 find themselves, giving a meaning to their otherwise empty life. They were spinning in circles until they crashed and got lost in the truth they didn’t know they were looking for. They could’ve never passed into the light if it weren’t for the experiences they had on the island, because of the island, with each other. The island helped them solve the issues they had before the crash, but, (and this is where it gets dark and twisted), for most of them, that was IT. Literally, after the island would accomplish its mission, making them good to go for the next stage of their existence, it would turn from savior into murderer, killing them off.
    After the problems of their lives before the crash are solved, our survivors are done and the island is done with them, too; so it finishes them off.
    Locke never got to enjoy his gift of being able to walk again for too long, and we could say that this is because he was serving a higher purpose, but we learn, eventually, that none of it ever mattered, so it all really comes down to this. The same way goes for Charlie not being able enjoy his new family long enough. It happened right after everything was good for him, that he needed to die, and he became a hero. He made the right decision, of saving everyone, thus reaching the peak of his existence. It was useless for him to keep on living, and he was of no use for the island, either. So, the island finished him off.
    Sure, he is reunited with Aaron and Claire, but only after decades?, centuries? of being stuck in limbo, or the purgatory universe, (O, and, by the way, if he really was obliviously stuck into a mirrored life of what he really used to live all this time, how come after the Oceanic 5 are rescued and Hurely returns to Santa Rosa Mental Institution he can see and talk to a peaceful, wise, fully-aware of his death Charlie? ), and the same way goes for Jin and Sun.
    Prior to their arrival to the island, Jin and Sun had, well… Jin and Sun had many issues. While their almost broken marriage had nothing to do with their problems with conceiving, it certainly never helped. After Sun got pregnant and gave birth , half of the problem was already solved, but in order for the circle to become complete, she had to go to the island for Jin, and she did, and she found him, and their relationship became stronger than ever. What was there left to do? Well, her plan was to bring Jin back home, to their daughter, so they could finally start being a real family, but she couldn’t,… because she was DONE, Jin was done, so the island finished them off.
    As for Kate and Sawyer and Claire, the very second they left the island on that freighter, they were done, too. It’s pointless to think about their lives AFTER, as it seems that this AFTER, no matter how happy, and hopeful and amazing might’ve eventually turned out to be, (even for Desmond, who might’ve eventually gotten off the island, reuniting with Penny and his kid, with a little help from Hurely), doesn’t count for anything, as they eventually end up being stuck in limbo, (a.k.a the purgatory universe), anyway.
    Now, how would you feel about being told, someday, that no matter what you decide to do from this day on, it would count for nothing. Think about it, and then think about how you feel about the Lost finale. Or, even better, don’t think about it at all because, if you’re like me, you’d like to remember Lost for what it could’ve been, and not for what it eventually turned out to be. Yes, do that, because, if you don’t…
    …That would be a terrible loss.

    • That was a very LONG post, ChocolateThief!

      You pretty much sum it all up in your final paragraph — “no matter what you decide to do from this day on, it [counts] for nothing.” That IS what the finale says . . . in a way. It works for people who believe in the sort of “afterlife” that gives us the chance to reach our highest realm of possibility — be it “heaven” or “nirvana” or something else. If you believe our ultimate goal is to transcend whatever happens on this earth, then yes, nothing we do here really matters (except in how it prepares us for our ultimate transition).

      The LOST characters all had baggage (as you point out), and the island helped them work through a lot of it. The fact that many of them ended up in that purgatory world together simply suggests that whatever they learned during their experience on the island wasn’t enough — they needed more time (maybe even infinite time). But no matter how much time it took, they still managed to transition together (because of the island connection that defined them). That is — to some, anyway — a “happy ending.”

      I don’t happen to believe in any form of afterlife, so it didn’t work for me. But I do understand why it works for some. What bothered me about it is they way it negated virtually everything that happened on the island (including the huge mythology) as ultimately insignificant. The only thing that mattered in the end was transitioning. That was supposedly a victory. If you believe in such things, maybe it is.

    • sounds like you didn’t get it. LOL. sorry, that was too hard to resist.

      well…i’m one of those guys to thought the show wrapped up very nicely. i’m not going to respond to each specific point you made but come away think the producers didn’t want any body to be a “perfect” person. they all had flaws. and sometimes…life just isn’t fair.

    • I agree with a lot of what you said, but not your conclusion of nothing ever mattering after they left the island. This isn’t an attack, but I think you missed the bigger point:They actually saved the world, and every living person on it, by killing the MIB. The finale points out (during Christian’s scene, I believe) that these people have gathered together becuase they shared their existance during the most important time of their lives and, honestly, what could be more important than saving billions of people? That’s not to say that some of them didn’t accomplish great things post-island, just that those moments weren’t as important in the grand scheme of things.

      Great post, though. Good to see someone else’s fresh take on this, as I just finished the show yesterday.

    • In the end they go to heaven where unlike the universe they were in every thing can be good. And second of all they all had huge significance and what they decided to do in life did matter. So it was a happy ending because their lives did matter and in the after life every thing is better. The problem I had with it is in all of season six we believe they were saved, and Jack had a son! Then that turned out to be a huge lie (also known as a linus) So while they went to heaven and things got resolved, the ultimate victory of everyone s’ rescue, A good life for Erin, and a brilliant musician all disappear. So your life does matter even though your going to go to heaven any way, the point is you made those who are on earth, their life better. However once you go to heaven you wont learn your kid never existed. And you most certainly not see Benjamin Linus. HE DESERVES TO GO TO HELL! SEEING HIM IN HEAVEN WOULD BE LIKE SEEING A GROUP OF NAZIS HANGING OUT IN HEAVEN.

      • but they weren’t in heaven… they were in a sort of… purgatory…working out things …jack with his dad…by being the dad he never had and finding out how difficult that can be… Notice that Ben didn’t go in but he did repent and was forgiven for the murder of Locke… he had other things to still work out…like maybe apologizing to the others he killed.

  2.  who could come and go, 
    Anyone that knew the proper heading could come and go from the island.

     who could kill who, anyone culd kill anyone besides jackob and e man in black.. but at was also part of their test to see who was the best canidate

    who was healed from injury (Locke, Rose),
    Anyone that was sick was healed. The island.. I believe witmore was also healed.

     who lived forever (Richard)
    That was a gift from Jacob it was said in an episode because of Richard being scared of going to hell for killing the guy for e meds for his wife.Same episode he said they were all dead and currently in hell

     So whatever happened to the mystery of the baby mama drama?
    My Roy n that is e island boost healing because of its magical powers as well as the magnate thing they has to discharge. By typing the canadits numbers… Once they stopped and the hatch exploded they no longer needed to worry about that and that’s why she was ok.

    Linus widmore rules were not part of the islands rules but there own agreement not to kill each other.

    I myself believe the church was once they all died.thats why they said they had been waiting for jack.. He was the last of them to die. Plane and simple mr echo wanted to much money to be in the final and I think because of all he did he would of been stuck on the island also. And Walt was not dead yet but since he was not really part of them and no one at all had a connection with him besides his dad… Why would they wait for him?

    Would Desmond still be on the island if the hatch had been destroyed in the past?
    Yes Demond and his powers you referred to are what keep the timelines correct Demond would still remember everything because he was there at one point and he remembers so he goes around and make sure things play out exactly like they were supposed to.

  3. The stupidest explanation I have ever seen.

  4. why Charlie Locks the door to die? couldn’t he just leave with Desmond and swim out , the same way they came it?

    how come the Looking glass station does not flood..there is a hole in the center where people enter from under the water ( i mean the same hole, charlie, desmond and Mikhael use to walk on the looking glass station)…can’t that water just get in and sink the station.? I mean , if such a hole is in a boat/ship, the boat sinks as water comes in? what keeps that water under the ocean not to sink the station via that hole?

    • I don’t remember the episode or how the station is set up exactly, but if it’s a closed system underwater it makes sense the water doesn’t flood it. It’s like if you turn a container (cup, water bottle, etc) upside down and push it under water, it doesn’t flood because there’s nowhere for the air to go. If you make a hole on a boat the water can push the air out into the atmosphere so it’s a completely different situation.

    • Charlie believes that the only way to ensure Desmond’s premonition of Claire and Aaron (getting into a helicopter and being rescued) actually comes to pass is by ensuring that the accompanying vision Desmond has already told him off, being his own drowning after seeing the blinking light, also comes to pass.

      As FS states, the ‘moon pool’ (as they are known) within the Looking Glass station functions based on the premises of air pressure/air pockets. While extremely cool, moon pool’s are thankfully not part of Lost’s plethora of unexplained phenomena, of which there is already an abundance (hehe).

    • Take a glass of water and place it upside down on the surface of water in maybe a sink or bath.Now push the glass down under the surface of the water taking care not to let the air out of the glass by keeping the glass vertical.Does the water rush into the glass? No it doesn’t does it?
      Now think about why the water can’t get into the glass. Is it because the air in the glass is preventing the water from coming into the glass?
      Now you should look up the Archemides principle which is the theory of displacement and flotation and perhaps try to understand how it applies to something bigger like say…..an underwater research station then perhaps that might help you understand why the station does not sink even though it has a hole in the bottom. I hope this helps answer your question.Take care.
      Mac

  5. Btw does any one actually know what episode they actually mentioned the “man in black” I been watching lost and im like on episode 6 of S6 and so far they still have not said that he was clearly the “man in black” its been a while since ive seen the show since then so i kind of forgot but where did that name come from. So far they are only referring to him as lock which is the person he possessed.

  6. Eco has written instruction on his stick (Look up to the North…)…how does he happen to know that? how does he know the place of his death.why not south or east or west? when did he write that script on his stick?

  7. question!!! last episode, widmore runs into Ben, Miles and Richard in Ben’s old house. Benjamin was getting C4 to destroy the plane. Widmore states that he was one step ahead of him and that he(widmore) ready wired the plane witb explosives…….i just finished the last episode like 10 minutes ago :)

    • Widmore knows MIB want’s off the island.

      Jacob returned to the mainland and specifically asked Widmore to come to the island to help stop Smokey from leaving it. That is how Widmore knows where to find the island now (since after the Freighter blows up and Ben ‘moves’the island Widmore had lost track of it again).

      The first thing Widmore does after securing a perimeter on Hydra Island is to booby trap any of Smokey’s escape routes, with the Ajira flight being the most obvious and most readily available.

      Of course Smokey realizes this however and uses the C4 to his advantage. He cannot kill any of Jacob’s candidates due to Jacob’s rules, so he uses a long con to try and get them to kill themselves.

      By rigging a timer to the C4, once discovered by the candidates in the sub, they are tricked into acting and detonating the bomb themselves (despite Jack, wise to Smokey’s ploy, correctly warning Sawyer that inaction was their best move). Sawyer’s fear of trusting Jack again (putting faith in Jack is what cost him Juliette at the Swan site) prompts him to pull the wire and detonate the otherwise benign bomb.

  8. ok, I just finished watching the entire (all) the seasons of the best show in the entire world… lOST this show was amazing!!! Yea all the season were great & the stories for each character 10 thumbs up!! But really got me confused was the timelines of the main show, they seem a bit scattered at points of where i really couldn’t focus on the show. Also, my main question is when jack died in the last episode & saw the plane (kate/claire) and all them were on, did it crash or make it too the real world, or did everyone just die! Also remember a bazillion seasons ago, when Charlie knew he was suppose to die & he left his “DriveShaft? ring for the babie, and claire, did Claire eer find the ring????!? I know Sun did, she looked and saw it and remebered Charlie, but did Claire ever get it! I will be so mad that she didnt, but what im most confused about is the ending!!please someone explain that CLEARLY to me

    • I think that the island was just a place between life ‘n death. They all died in the very beginning and the plane did crash. However the Island were a place, where they could find out who they really were, cause they weren’t ready to actually die, when the plane crashed down at the very start. So when they found their true “identity”, they were released – But they could also come back again to the island even if they were dead (Michael onces came back etc.), when they had more unfinished buisness to take care of.

      I thought of that, and the title “Lost” gave me a whole new perspective. They weren’t physically lost, but “mentally” lost.

      • And therefore, when they all was ready to release them self, they could move on.
        Ps. Sorry for my bad English, i’m Danish. :)

      • Joe, the writers have specifically stated that they characters did NOT die in the original plane crash — everything that happened on the island actually happened. The island was NOT some sort of purgatory.

        But, the “sideways reality” WAS a purgatory state — this is where the characters who weren’t ready to “pass on to the next realm” (whatever that is) waited to work through their issues. And in the case of the primary LOST characters, they needed each other to make that transition.

        But I do agree that they were all “lost” on one level or another.

    • No, I think that many people are beyond confused and the moderator who is running this site gave amazing answers/analysis to many of the questions of what took place on the show. When the passengers on flight 815 crashed on the island, they did NOT all die immediately. Everything that took place on the island actually happened…all of the events including Ben, the Others, the hatch, pushing the button,Claire having the baby on the island etc. So for those who have interpreted that the plane crashes on the island and they(Jack,Kate,Locke etc.) all die and are in limbo while on the island, sorry but you are misinformed and interpreting things incorrectly.

      • Okay, I take that as an ecxuse for watching the entire show one more time then ;)

        • Actually, Christian says all of this to Jack in the final episode, before they walk out together to meet everyone in the church (when he says, “…everything that’s ever happened to you is real”).

  9. that pkanecrashed bec they were also there n the ending. i don’t know what happened to the ring but noone knows who owns it bec charlie was alone with the baby whenhe left it. sun wouldn’t know know who to give it to unless she relalized wha DS stood for, then she might have handed it to claire w/o us knowing. ;) ending is they were all happy to see the light “light”. they already made peace with themselves as they were able to release their own baggages in the “purgatory/afterlife” whatever you call what is in b/w life and going to heaven.

  10. I know I’m late. But I started watching it on Hulu on a boring night. Thought…”Family Guy madr fun of it and six whole seasons. Must be good.” And then I couldn’t stop watching. I think it’ve been better if Sawyer was left as the island’s guardian. And that was real. I was upset when Jack was and very content with Hurley. But I am confused on when what was what with whatever. I get all the reasons and such. But I’m confused at what point did they enter purgatory?? Little upset that they ended the whole show with a bright light. But hey. Six seasons of…”Okay.. That was horrible what they left you with! The suspense! One more episode!…..okay…now one more!” And so one. Great show. And just a point being made. They did have Rose in Purgatory. Walt went back to normal life. (MIB was Walt-ghost to Shannon, right?) I fell asleep a lot while watching the show. Soo.. And I think MIB was screwed over. His mom is murdered seconds after his birth, his mother’s killer lies to him to trap him close to her, he finally becomes a part of a community, she kills them all. He had his *entire* life taken from him. Like what? 13 years living memtally oppressed by mommy-killer. 30 years if living with greedy treasure hunters basically, and then how long stuck as smoke. That. Sucks.

    • At the start of season 6, when you see them on the plane again, from that point onward (in the flash sideways scenes) they’re in a (sort-of) purgatory. I think of it more as a “waiting place.” Christian explains that they built this place (the church in the finale and the world around it) so that they could finish what they needed to and go to the next place together (“let go, move on”).

      Ghost-Walt couldn’t have been the MIB, because the MIB can only take over those who are dead (Christian, Locke, et al), yet it couldn’t have been Walt, as he hadn’t died (some spirits, such a Michael’s really do roam the island). The problem is that he appears with whispers (which indicate dead spirits). This all leads me to believe it was the Island; as we’ve seen time and time again through the series, once the island is done with you, it really lets you know (by killing you). Another theory is that it could actually be Walt using his “special” ability (although we’ve not seen any evidence or clues pointing us in that direction, just that there isn’t anything that show’s he can’t do it either).

  11. I know I’m late. But I started watching it on Hulu on a boring night. Thought…”Family Guy made fun of it and six whole seasons. Must be good.” And then I couldn’t stop watching. I think it’ve been better if Sawyer was left as the island’s guardian. And that was real. I was upset when Jack was and very content with Hurley. But I am confused on when what was what with whatever. I get all the reasons and such. But I’m confused at what point did they enter purgatory?? Little upset that they ended the whole show with a bright light. But hey. Six seasons of…”Okay.. That was horrible what they left you with! The suspense! One more episode!…..okay…now one more!” And so one. Great show. And just a point being made. They did have Rose in Purgatory. Walt went back to normal life. (MIB was Walt-ghost to Shannon, right?) I fell asleep a lot while watching the show. Soo.. And I think MIB was done over. His mom is murdered seconds after his birth, his mother’s killer lies to him to trap him close to her, he finally becomes a part of a community, she kills them all. He had his *entire* life taken from him. Like what? 13 years living memtally oppressed by mommy-killer. 30 years if living with greedy treasure hunters basically, and then how long stuck as smoke. That. Sucks.

  12. I know I’m late. But I started watching it on Hulu on a boring night. Thought…”Family Guy made fun of it and six whole seasons. Must be good.” And then I couldn’t stop watching. I think it’ve been better if Sawyer was left as the island’s guardian. And that was real. I was upset when Jack was and very content with Hurley. But I am confused on when what was what with whatever. I get all the reasons and such. But I’m confused at what point did they enter purgatory?? Little upset that they ended the whole show with a bright light. But hey. Six seasons of…”Okay.. That was horrible what they left you with! The suspense! One more episode!…..okay…now one more!” And so one. Great show. And just a point being made. They did have Rose in Purgatory. Walt went back to normal life. (MIB was Walt-ghost to Shannon, right?) I fell asleep a lot while watching the show. Soo.. And I think MIB was done over. His mom is murdered seconds after his birth, his mother’s killer lies to him to trap him close to her, he finally becomes a part of a community, she kiIIs them all. He had his *entire* life taken from him. Like what? 13 years living memtally oppressed by mommy-kiIIer. 30 years if living with greedy treasure hunters basically, and then how long stuck as smoke. That. Sucks.

  13. I know I’m late. But I started watching it on Hulu on a boring night. Thought…”Family Guy made fun of it and six whole seasons. Must be good.” And then I couldn’t stop watching. I think it’ve been better if Sawyer was left as the island’s guardian. And that was real. I was upset when Jack was and very content with Hurley. But I am confused on when what was what with whatever. I get all the reasons and such. But I’m confused at what point did they enter purgatory?? Little upset that they ended the whole show with a bright light. But hey. Six seasons of…”Okay.. That was horrible what they left you with! The suspense! One more episode!…..okay…now one more!” And so one. Great show. And just a point being made. They did have Rose in Purgatory. Walt went back to normal life. (MIB was Walt-ghost to Shannon, right?) I fell asleep a lot while watching the show. Soo.. And I think MIB was done over. His mom is murdered seconds after his birth, his mother’s kiIIer lies to him to trap him close to her, he finally becomes a part of a community, she kiIIs them all. He had his *entire* life taken from him. Like what? 13 years living memtally oppressed by mommy-kiIIer. 30 years if living with greedy treasure hunters basically, and then how long stuck as smoke. That. Sucks.

  14. I am a huge fan of lost, and the characters in it. However, I feel like the storyline jumped around to much, and it was hard to follow at times. The explanations made on this website make sense, but I’m still not clear on why Juliet told Miles that “it worked” in his vision. Why would “purgatory” start after the nuclear bomb was detonated? I felt cheated at the end of the series…Don’t get me wrong, I was relieved and satisified to see that all the people that I had come to admire in different ways were finally at peace, but there were so many loose ends that I was angry when it ended.

    • LadyPathos: I think most of the “loose ends” were the result of the writers’ lack of a game plan until mid-way through the third season. They made a conscious decision to abandon some of the story lines in favor of the ultimate ending they chose (with the island as a “cork” keeping evil from spreading over the earth, and a black vs. white battle between the island’s guardian and the MIB (or “smokey”), who represents this “evil”). This mythology ended up negating many of the elements of the series that most intrigued me (the numbers, the connection between the characters, the mystery surrounding Walt, the significance of Claire’s baby, the children kidnapped by the Others, etc.).

      I don’t think the purgatory (or “sideways”) world started after the bomb was detonated — I think we just didn’t see it before. It is supposed to exist outside of time, so it had no beginning or end — at least not until the characters made peace with themselves and were able to transcend to whatever afterlife (or dimension) exists (heaven? Nirvana?).

      As for Juliet’s statement, “It worked,” I think she meant that the energy was sealed, meaning the island didn’t explode, which would have released the evil into the world. The Dharma people had opened the vent, and the bomb sealed it again. Obviously Jack’s intent in trying to detonate the bomb was to change time so that the plane never crashed — but that isn’t what happened. Too bad. That would have been interesting!

      • For any writer, its kind of treading dangerous waters because its very sophisticated and “time” can be a challenging element to portray on the series and make any sense of it.

        One of the questions i had was When and how the MIB took the form of Jhon lock and which lock was it? It was kind of confusing to me because their was two locks, one that was dead off the island and one that was on the island in the flash backs and then out of no where in the life of death and jeremy betham episode, lock is alive and well on the island in the form of the MIB, the way i see this is that their were two time frames that i know of, one was in 2007 and the other in 2004. The flash backs were in 2004, so everything leading up to the point in where lock turns the frozen wheel and shits into the 2007 time zone, that is the lock that was from the islands flashbacks.

        So when 316 landed on the island, how the hell did they see another lock in 2007 when the other lock was in the casket dead, the same one that was on the island in the 2004. I mean what happened in between, obviously the islands time frame flash backs in S4 was in 2004 but when they oceanix six got to the island it was 2007. So how in hell did MiB have the time to switch with jhon locks body, they never really shown it or i could be missing something, i don’t know. Lost is still so damn confusing to me but i guess thats part of what makes it interesting, to figure out all these theories.

        • Wow, that’s a lot of time travel! I agree, it’s confusing. And you didn’t even mention the other time periods (the late 1970′s, mainly).

          As I understand it, John Locke was killed by Ben in 2007, and his body was returned to the island in a coffin (all part of two plans — Jacob’s (to get everyone back so he could pick his replacement) and MIB’s (to use Locke’s body to get Ben to kill Jacob)). When the coffin was opened on the beach, Locke was dead. By the next scene, he wasn’t — he seemed to be Locke (and Ben accepted him as Locke), but he was the MIB (or Smokey). Ben’s assumption (and ours, until we understood) was that the island had re-animated Locke, just as it cured his paralysis and cured Rose’s cancer.

          In flashback scenes, Locke was Locke (at least I think he was Locke!). But yeah, it’s all a bit convoluted and muddled.

          • After the Ajira Flight returned, the smoke monster wore John’s face, but it was not John. John died at Ben’s hands, his last thought being “I don’t understand”. So Ben kills John and a few months later has his dead body shipped to the island on the Ajira flight. Once the plane arrives smokey presents himself wearing John’s face to make Ben believe he has returned from the dead. Everything before this point is the real John Locke. Everything after is fake Locke.

            Just as the smoke monster wore MIB’s face, but he was not MIB. The smoke monster is an entity of pure evil from another dimension that is able to read/scan and dissect a persons heart and mind, can possess a man (or “infect” him as with Sayid etc) and can alter his own form at will, allowing him to masquerades as anyone he wishes in order to orchestrate his manipulations.

            • I guess more to the point for clarity -

              All instances of Locke off the island were real Locke. Fake Locke (being Smokey) was never able to leave the island before being killed, and assumed John’s appearance the same day John’s corpse arrived on the Island.

    • Here’s the way I see the “It worked” scene (I assume you mean Sawyer and not Miles? Or is there another another scene I’ve forgotten?).
      Juliet does something no other person does in the series: She sees herself in both places at the same time (everyone else just sees flashbacks to the life they lived before purgatory). In other words, during that scene with Sawyer right before she dies, she sees herself in the flash sideways, at the same time the Juliet in the flash sideways sees her dying at the implosion site. In both places, at the same time, both Juliets say the same lines (to Sawyer): “We should get coffee some time. We can go dutch.” In this way, while she may not understand that she is looking at herself in purgatory instead of an alternate reality, she does understand that something did happen, and so she tells Swayer “it worked.” Does that help?

    • I think Juliette said it worked as in “I got pregnant on the island” when she meets rose in the jungle, rose offers her coffee and Juliette says no, while holding her stomach. I believe she was pregnant but maybe that’s just me lol

  15. Just finished the series a few minutes ago.

    Did they ever explain the whole “Jacob’s Cabin” bit? How it jumped around, was circled in ash, and the Jacob asking for help from the creepy rocking chair thing?

    As for the people going crazy/getting sick thing- (Danielle’s people, Claire, Sayid)… Was that a result of Jacob’s “foil,” the Man in Black? Or was there actually some sickness?

    • @Alyssa

      Basically as i understand it, ben took Jhon lock to the cabin to go see jacob and the shaking and the voice that said “help me” was the Man in black.

      Initially Jacob lived in the cabin. The ring of ash was to keep Man in Black out. Then the Man in Black , posed as Christian Shephard, used Claire to break the ash, thus threatening Jacob. Jacob then moved to the Statue, while the Man in Black inhabited the cabin, waiting for John Locke. When Locke came, “Christian” said that he could speak on Jacob’s behalf knowing that Ben would turn the wheel and leave the island so he (Man in Black ) could execute his plan of killing Jacob

  16. @Alyssa

    The infection their was no real clear answer to that in the show. It was something that was never fully explained, you just have to take into account at some point the MIb with his new monster form had the power to infect individuals and destroy their personalities and mental state, basically recruiting them to be on his side. As is the case with Claire and sayid. the first person to mention the infection was Danielle Rousseau when she said her entire team was infected. That was really early in the show but of course you didn’t really know how they got infected until S6 when Dogun finally revealed the sickness and that it was smokey’s doing.

    Yet one of the mysteries i would of liked to have more closure on but unforatntly we didn’t.

    • Basically, the island’s existence was the cork that blocked the gates of ‘Hell’ (without being too religious about the idea, take it as metaphorically as you wish) full of evil and demons and such. The EM energy (the light) symbolizes a gateway for the rebirth of life in our dimension, but is also an inter-dimensional gateway to others. Jacob’s actions throwing his brother down the cave allowed for a breach in the gateway and just a little of this evil managed to slip through, being the smoke monster.

      The evil ‘beyond the gate’ wishes nothing more than to completely inhabit and totally consume our dimension, and the island is all that is keeping it at bay, but with the smoke monsters arrival, evil now has a foothold in our dimension.

      This evil can consume a person’s soul, and ‘claim’ them. This is no different from the idea of demon possession in films such as the Excorcist etc – as Dogen says, the smoke monster has simply claimed these people.

      So they aren’t infected as much as they are possessed, which is why Smokey cannot be allowed to leave the island. Beyond that Smokey doesn’t want to just leave the island, he wants to pull the plug on the gateway by destroying the island, and allowing full access between dimensions and letting the rest of his evil buddies in too.

      Then there is two other examples where the show deals with ‘infection’ which are totally unrelated to this, and made things further confusing imo.

      The first is the problem with fertility on the Island caused by the fallout from the Incident at the Swan site. Claire was given shots by Ethan and Juliet to treat her late stage pregnancy, and later Juliet and Ben used an implant in Claire to trigger an adverse reaction, in a con to get Juliet into the Losties camp. They referred to this as Claire needing to be inoculated against “infection”.

      Then we have Desmond dosing himself to ward off infection which was a holdover protocol also resulting from the Swan site incident. Radzinsky formulated the innoculation protocols and wrote Quarantine on the hatch as he was the one left stationed to press the button, and was paranoid (with good reason) about continuing to inhabit the area and contracting a
      possible illness from the fallout from the detonated bomb.

      Later Charlie finds these inoculations in the hatch, and assuming Juliet had been telling the truth, gives them to Claire thinking she might need them, which of course, she does not.

      I think that is the full scope of the “infections” in Lost, just to clear things up.

  17. I have just finished watching season finale,last episode. I personally find it BRILLIANT. The meaning of the island is flashed into everyone’s life. The center of the tv show was the island. So therefor, it makes all the sense in the world that it was the island which healed everyone. It could have been impossible to make everyone alive to end up with a happy full life. It had to be in the afterlife. I really loved the way each character, alone or along someone else, found themselves remembering each other. Amazing show and incredibly written out. Every part of it.

  18. Im a little confused with the whole ‘wheel’ deal. Please someone explain what the hell is going on here lol? I mean, I get how it was built (MIB.. well sort of.. if he returned to finish his work at a later date..) How could a wooden wheel in a random pocket of electro magnetism cause, not only teleportation of the turner, but when thrown off its axis causes the island to move and teleport the turner? Not to mention the whole subssequent time shifts? What acient culture would have such knowledge? (by knowledge i dont mean knowing what would happen when turning the wheel, but knowing putting a wheel there in the first place will harness the power in this area)

    also.. is the wheel the soul reason why the island moves?

    I think I would have accepted the wheels “power” if it wasnt returned to at a later date. As at the time, i assumed it was part of the island, almostlike the inner workings. But seeing it built by man kinda threw a spanner in my trail of thought

    • GJ100 — your confusion is mine as well. I was one of those viewers who expected a “scientific” (or at least semi-believable) explanation for the various mysteries revealed throughout the show. In the beginning, it seemed that’s where the show was headed. Even though there were “magical” elements from the first episode, the basis of the show seemed grounded in reality.

      After the third season, however, the writers took things in a distinctly fantastic direction (meaning the show became basically a fantasy show). As fantasy, the writers had the freedom to do whatever they liked (thus the wheel, the time travel, the temple, the lighthouse, the magic light, smokey, etc.). With fantasy, things don’t need to make sense. It’s just magic! And ultimately, the magic boiled down to the usual “good vs. evil,” “black vs. white” battle.

      So, the island moved because it was magic. The wheel worked because it was magic. And that magic had rules, which had to be followed. It’s frustrating for those of us who were counting on a more rational explanation for what we were watching.

      That said, I do think the wheel worked because of the island’s magical properties, and not because it was built by man. The impression I got was that the island directed the construction of the wheel. But I have a hard time believing in magical islands, so it was a problem for me (and not an aspect of the show I particularly liked).

      • Here is my understanding of the matter. Could be a long one!

        The ‘magic’ you are referring to was called Electro-Magnetism in the show.

        Lost is proposing that mankind has only begun to understand the depths of Electromagnetic Forces and what role they play in existence, as at every level of existence possible to witness, from the very small to the very large, these forces are at work.

        Lost then goes a step further to propose that EM energy is also at work on every level of existence we are unable to witness, and is in fact a fundamental component of what we humans call ‘spirituality’, and also a fundamental component of ‘time’.

        The EM Discoveries in Lost

        Scientists discovered pockets of concentrated EM energy scattered around the Earth, and found that each pocket of energy was interconnected to each other, united through their connection (or perhaps entangled if you prefer). Among other things, these pockets of concentrated energy seemed to have a measurable reaction toward biological tissue.

        In the show, such pockets were shown to exist at Uluru (i.e the ‘healer’ Bernard takes Rose to in Australia), at the Lamp Post Station in L.A, and at Tunisia (the ‘exit’ pocket), with more being implied. Of all the pockets of energy all over the world, none are more powerful than on the island itself, with the two strongest pockets being beneath the Swan and Orchid Stations.

        Scientist then determined that all of the pockets connected back to a large ‘source’ pocket which despite their efforts, they were unable to locate. Then some guy figured out that the reason was because the source pocket was ‘revolving’ through space-time independently of the Earths revolutions – yet defined by it (much as the rotation of the Earth is independent from the Sun, yet similarly defined by it).

        These scientists built the Lamp Post Station above one of the interconnected pockets of energy, installing the pendulum (reminiscent of the pendulum experiment from real history which proved the Earth’s constant rotation) which allowed them to derive the source pocket’s independent orbital path through time and space – to then be interjected upon. As the island moves through time and space, there is never a conventional anchor by which the island’s inhabitants can measure time.

        Faraday

        Daniel Faraday successfully uses EM energy to transport conscious minds through time in his Harvard experiments. Aftter being transported back to the 70′s he maps out a diagram in his journal graphing out a plan to reset his own current ‘dislodge-ment’ in time. The diagram outlines the repercussions on the space-time continuum of how a fusion reaction in one of these electromagnetic pockets would be able to split real time into divergent tracks and then how they would come back together again at one point in time, as part of his plan for ‘the reset’. In other words how a bomb could create an alternate reality which could then successfully supplant/replace their current doomed future at a re-convergence point. Ben Linus also had a copy of this exact page and kept it in a file in his Hydra Island office many years later.

        Ben

        This is important in showing us what Ben may already be aware of before turning the donkey wheel. Ben knows of the Orchid Stations functionality, and the funtion of the donkey wheel which rests beyond (i’ll touch more on the Donkey Wheel shortly). He also knows that a future event is going to trigger a dislodgement of time courtesy of the implications of Faraday’s journal page, and that this event will be central to the arrival of John Locke and friends to the island.

        After John (“what makes him so special”) is told to move the island by the MIB, Ben realizes what is afoot and takes charge. At this point Ben either already knows it is his own destiny to now turn the donkey wheel (through Alpert, who could have learnt this from Locke in the 70′s), or alternatively, Ben is attempting to steal/supplant what he supposes to be Locke’s “special” destiny.

        EM and Time

        Ben may or may not understand the forces at work when he turns the wheel, but I believe the forces at work are enough to support and justify the outcomes delivered on screen. First of all we are never witness to teleportation (moving an object/person through space) but only to time travel (moving an object/person through space AND time) and there is a difference. A time machine can ‘appear’ to act as a teleporter – but conversely a teleporter does not a time machine make. I think it’s an important distinction to make in explaining the numerous appearance/disappearances of people in the show (Desmond’s hatch reappearance, Ajira flight disappearances etc, Sawyer and the gang skipping through time etc).

        The Exit Pocket

        I think what both Ben, and later Locke experience when turning the Wheel is similar in effect to what happens when Desmond turns the fail safe key, however Desmond’s perceptive experience of this event remains unique. I think in triggering their respective ‘events’ their personal electromagnetic energy (in essence their entire being) is absorbed into the network of electromagnetism before being spat out. Because all of the pockets over the world are in fact one network, both Ben (and later Locke) appear at the Tunisia ‘exit’ pocket at what seems to be a displaced amount of time, but is actually a byproduct of their crossing from the island’s independent space-time continuum.

        I like to imagine the Tunisian pocket is simply the smallest pocket of concentrated EM in the world, and therefore the most easily breached release point from the network for a living organism, therefore being the ‘exit’ pocket. Desmond’s experience differs due to his unique resistance to Electromagnetism, he is unable to be successfully absorbed into the network of EM and is therefore spat out where he was.

        The Forces at Work

        So is concentrated Electromagnetic energy plus water enough to create a time machine? That is what Lost asks us to believe.

        Lost depicts concentrated EM as light, the more concentrated the EM, the brighter it appears. This radiation is depicted through the show in various concentrations moving from golden (the cave etc) to white (flashes indicating time skips, and imo, also represents ‘moving on/nirvana/final step of the 8-fold path to enlightenment’ in the final scene) and at times to near ultraviolet/purple tinged (Swan hatch implosion). However when the Donkey Wheel is turned incorrectly, and left off it’s axis by Ben (causing the time skips), we get a green light, which to me is indicative of the normal chemical reaction failing to successfully occur in a stable manner.

        Imo, the Donkey Wheel serves to redistribute the channeling water among the light (as does the cork in the Series finale). The interaction of the light and the water can be either benign or intensely reactive. I surmise it is the direct mixing of the water and light at an extreme concentration point that creates the chemical reaction at play. I propose the water molecules would become de-stabilized upon interaction with EM at a high concentration point, releasing hydrogen atoms which in turn, upon encountering yet higher concentrations, enter into a state of fission with the light atoms.

        The resultant energy then serves to create negatively charged exotic matter throughout the cavern where the donkey wheel rests – the cavern’s high content mineral walls serving as the ‘dividing plates’ in recreating a large scale primitive version of the Casimir effect. This pocket of exotic matter grows, expanding to encompass the entire island and affecting it’s inhabitants similarly to Faraday’s lab rat Eloise.

        As implausible as this may be, I find it on a par if not superior to many of the widely accepted theoretical supports offered in many other works of Science Fiction for their respective macguffins. By using Electromagnetic Energy as a macguffin to quantify the metaphysical components of life, space-time, and existence itself, the writers of Lost have allowed themselves the opportunity to explore themes of the afterlife, ghosts, time-travel, morality, and choice all in the one story, and all with the one Macguffin!

        These are my thoughts on the subject at any rate. The most fantastical/magical elements imo were Jacobs rules and his supernatural powers, so I’d definitely agree on that matter.

        In other news, turns out even the lighthouse is just an ancient telescope employing nothing but a relaying array of mirrors to function. Go-figure, now I was sure that thing had to be magic!

        It is implied the civilization which built the temple, lighthouse, and statue also installed the wheel, and it is interesting to note that in real history, certain ancient civilizations (Sumerian etc) are evidenced to have possessed technological capabilities, knowledge and processes that we are still only able to speculate upon and unable to reconcile.

        • If it isn’t magic, but a clever (and I use that word very loosely) use of elctro magnetism, therefore there has to be some plausable way that its possible, and a reasonable explanation to boot. I find it much harder to accept because there is no explanation of why, espcially if its not a supernatural occurance. As kate made the point, these things happen because its magic, and therefore it happens.. just because. This is acceptable because we are working in the realm of fantasy. Now having elctro magnetism plus water cause all of these fantastical occurances, a realm of science so to speak. The problem here is that this science works.. again just because.

          Now this ok for a lot of scifi beacuse they dont take place in the real world, so time travel, space travel etc can exist. For me, lost takes place in the real world, with real world physics. So by trying to explain a magical island with actual physics is a tough pill to swallow. Especially when its along side pure fantasy i.e rules and powers of jacob, agelessness etc

          If the lost writers made it a magical island,then fair enough, explanations are not really required on the goings on and fans are not left with hundreds of questions. But going down both a science road in a real world setting, making said science work because it just does, makes me wonder why they even bothered down this path in the first place if it couldnt be explained using science.

          • Ah, you see I look at Lost as more of a Stephen King, horror / science-fiction story. Like Carrie or The Stand or pretty much any of his titles.

            Lost is basically saying imagine these pockets of energy were discovered all over the world, and they have always been there – a natural phenomenon, and now as always science is playing catch up on trying to understand the reason behind them, and the part they play in existence.

            Like Carrie’s powers, or IT, LOST is fiction which requires a leap of faith to be taken seriously. I mean, I even remember it being marketed upon release as Cast Away meets The X-Files.

            To me, Lost’s greatest message is that neither men of Science nor men of Faith (and in turn the audience) can ever possess the full knowledge of existence, try as they might, and that the pockets of EM energy serve as an example of a discovery which could test the limits of both disciplines (along with audience credulity by the sounds of things, lol).

            Different strokes, I guess…

            • Physics can in no way explain the parts of LOST that are mythic (or pseudo-religious, if you will) in nature. In its first few seasons, I did feel that there would ultimately be a scientific explanation for the things that were happening on the island (and for the plane crash itself, as well as the interconnectedness of these particular characters). But then the mythology started taking over, we got Jacob and the MIB, “rules,” time travel, that crazy temple, the lighthouse, a moveable island, gifts of immortality, etc. And none of that has anything to do with real science, which doesn’t care a whit about “good vs. evil,” much less “human redemption.”

              I do see the Stephen King connection to the series, especially in its final years. King’s work, also, tends toward mythology, with heavy doses of moral judgment. These are not scientific things, and King never professed to have a scientific explanation for the haunting of the Overlook Hotel or the clown monster in IT. His novel DUMA KEY actually reminded me a lot of LOST.

              I’m fine with the show ending up fantasy/sci-fi. It just didn’t start out that way. I still consider LOST to be a unique and exceptional series, and I have watched the first four seasons several times. I’m just not a fan of the way things washed out in the end.

              So, yeah, different strokes.

              • Well expressed, I can respect your opinions in that regard guys .

                Personally I felt that things remained consistently incredulous throughout, and therefore didn’t really share the experience of a Seasons 5 and 6 drop in credibility, as I know many did.

                I think some of that may stem from the fact that I purchased each Season on DVD upon release and gave the special features a good scrubbing on each, in which the writers revealed a heavy Stephen King influence from the outset.

                I mean, to me even the pilot is a perfect example of King’s kind of realism infused with some unknown threatening creature lurking about the periphery (like say ‘Dreamcatcher’), whilst including an ensemble of characters forced together by fate (‘Desperation’ springs to mind).

                Would love to know if you consider Duma Key worth a read btw Kate?

                I will say I do have certain mixed feelings about the last two seasons having seen all seasons many times. On one hand I actually regard Season 5 as the most re-watchable season of the series, yet on the other, whilst Season 6 remains good for a second watch from a new perspective, I regard it to be the least re-watchable season overall.

                • I loved DUMA KEY until the last hundred pages or so (when all the “mythology” stuff comes out as King is trying to explain his own magic island). It reminded me a lot of LOST (I can’t believe he wasn’t inspired, since I know he was a huge fan of the series). If you weren’t bothered by the final seasons of LOST, you won’t be bothered by DUMA KEY. And as always King has created some wonderful characters.

                  • Kate- Thanks for the replies, and i seem to agree with every point you have made (in regard with this post and any previous I have made) I tend towards your theories and explanations (or the evident lack of) of lost. I wanted a more scientific approach myself towards the end, as the trend seemed to be set from at the start.

                    But, this is a personnel problem I suppose, and im not wanting to take anything away from lostbecause we are here years later discussing it a still. Now that must be an achievement in its self

  19. I get the ending only loose end I have is, if Kate sawyer, miles, lapedis, and Claire flew away. Why were they in the pergutory state? Something else I remember is that they never closed up the issue of Aaron not being raised by Claire. They told her bad things would come if it were anyone else. Any thoughts?

    • The show is implying that those that you mention who left on the plane successfully returned to the main land and lived out their lives, eventually dying from old age or the like. As Christian says to Jack in the Church, “Some died before you, some long after you”.

      The implications of this are interesting for each character. For example Hurley, as new leader of the island, along with Ben as his ‘number two’, could have lived very long lives (like Jacob/Richard Alpert), before perishing and joining everyone in the ‘Purgatory State’.

      The implications for Kate is that she returned to the mainland, re-uniting (the somewhat unstable) Claire with Aaron, then spent many years helping her raise the boy. Kate would have lived out her life in sorrow without Jack, until finally being reunited with him in the purgatory state making their re-union in purgatory so much more profound.

      The time distortions relative to each person’s unique experience prior to arriving in the purgatory state are explained away by Christian in the Church, with a single line – “There is no now… here”.

      I have no answers on the Claire/Aaron plot line though, that was certainly something the writers should have further addressed imo.

  20. So I was wondering one thing. At the final episode, Kate, Sawyer, Claire, and others left on the plane and got off the island. How did they end up in the afterlife if they never died in the first place? I would really appreciate some help.

    • Sambo already explained this (his post is just above yours). These characters DID die — we just didn’t see it happen (except for Jack). Presumably, they went back to their lives after their second island adventure, and eventually died (at different times and in different places). They ended up in Purgatory together because their time on the island and their connections to each other linked them — and they needed each other to “transcend” (or whatever you want to call it) to the afterlife (whatever that is).

      The fact that Hurley and Ben were part of this is interesting, since they will end up the new guardians of the island — and they are actually dead. That suggests that perhaps Jacob and MIB were also dead. I hadn’t thought of that before, but it might explain a few things. Just a thought, anyway.

      • I assumed that walt continued the role of guardian after hurley, under the assumption that hurleys work as guardian was completed within walts lift-time.

        Maybe its because of bens help that hurleys was able to complete his tasks quiker than expected. Or possibly the re-introduction of walt to the island in the epilogue was the catalyst.. an extra pair of hands always helps

        • Indeed more than possible.

          I think Walt definitely had some reconnecting to do with Michael’s ghost who was still trapped on the island.

          I actually like to imagine Walt, Ben and Hurley are granted immortality, and guided by ghost Michael go on a crusade to release all of the trapped spirits on the island (‘the whispers’) or something, lol. Perhaps it takes all 4 of them a hundred years or more to accomplish this, and Ben dies along the way, then Walt becomes Hurley’s number two and the pair of them spend the next 100 years playing backgammon back on the beach – until Hurley loses a bet for 50 million coconuts and does a streak into the cave (loaded on McHutcheon’s) to steal the cork!

          It doesn’t go well – Hurley becomes a saintly white cloud and drifts about the island collecting 50 million coconuts to repay his debt after failing to complete the dare.

  21. Alright which people lived? Was Hurleys conscious right about killing himself on the island and where was he on the island or crazy place?
    thank you to whom has solved this for my last question of the greatest show ever

  22. Alright which people lived? where was Hurley on the island or crazy place?
    thank you to whom has solved this for my last question of the greatest show ever

  23. Upon finally reaching the end of the series, I think what annoyed me the most about the finale was how Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Richard, Miles and Lapidus managed to fly off the Island and still 3 of them appeared in the church. Until the very last second, I was expecting the plane to a) blow up due to there still being C4 wired to the electronics, or b) crash. I get the idea of how they got off the Island and later passed away but, for me personally, I think it needed to be more explicit.

    As for Ben and Hurley, however, my take on them is that neither of them had any responsibility. When Jacob is asked to protect the Island by his mother during season 6, she says something very specific in a different language which Jacob later says when he passes it on to Jack. With Hurley, Jack says no such words and simply offers him a drink, although he does provide the “now you’re like me” part. From my point of view, Jack simply does what he does because he knows Hurley won’t let him enter the cave with the intent of dying without Hurley believing the Island is still under someone’s protection. Jack tells him what he needs to hear. As does Hurley with Ben, who’s been looking for a position of power since day 1.

    If you look at the facts explained throughout season 6, people on the Island were always ‘brought’ there by someone for a reason. Either by the Man in Black, in order to help him escape the Island, or by Jacob, as candidates, in case the Man in Black managed to kill him. If Hurley did in fact become the new protector of the island, he’d have nothing to procect it from. The darkness, portrayed by Jacob’s brother and later Locke, had ultimately ceased to exist and there wouldn’t be any reason to bring people to the Island anymore.

    That’s my take, anyway. Only a handful of people really know.

  24. “If you look at the facts explained throughout season 6, people on the Island were always ‘brought’ there by someone for a reason. Either by the Man in Black, in order to help him escape the Island, or by Jacob, as candidates, in case the Man in Black managed to kill him. If Hurley did in fact become the new protector of the island, he’d have nothing to procect it from. The darkness, portrayed by Jacob’s brother and later Locke, had ultimately ceased to exist and there wouldn’t be any reason to bring people to the Island anymore.”

    What I meant with that was that IF Hurley and Ben did in fact become the new Jacob and Richard, they’d been immortal just as the original two were. And considering they weren’t facing any threats, with good already having defeated evil once and for all, they would never have died and been at/in the church at the end of the series.

    Sorry if I caused any confusion.

    • But Jacob, the MIB, their mother, Richard/Ricardo, and Jack (inferred) were all immortal at one time. When their job was done, they became mortal again and could pass on, so this makes sense to me that eventually Hurley and Ben would do the same.

      • And we can’t really know what their purpose on the island might have beem (but I see now what you’re saying). There were certainly still a lot of spirits left behind (Michael’s is one), so maybe their job was to exorcise the island.

  25. I still never understood how Jacob was able to leave the island. I am sorry but with season six made things more confusing. They should have left Jacob’s back story out because it makes everything more confusing. MIB never had a name. They didn’t explain how the “mother” got there. How the statue was there. If the lighthouse and temple was built after Jacob’s arrival. How did MIB complete the wheel when his “mother” killed everyone after she went to him to find out what he was doing with the “others”. He then killed her and in turn Jacob killed him. When did he have time to build the wheel if he was dead and buried. Okay let’s say he can take on the body structure of the deceased, how was he able to become Richard’s wife? Or is it only those who died on the island can reappear to loved ones? How did she appear to Richard? Where did the horse that Kate saw come from? How come there was a child version of Jacob walking about which Hurley saw? How did Ben know so much about the island when Jacob never talked to him. Why did the “others” wear the primitive clothing and theatre makeup in the beginning. What was the purpose of that? Why did they take the children away? Jacob’s “mother” said people come to the island fight and kill one another off (good and evil). So why did she kill their “real” mother? MIB could see the dead, like Hurley. Why did the “mother” think Jacob was special when he was never special? Danielle told Sayid she had never seen the “others’ but later we saw Ben kidnap Alex. Why didn’t Danielle recognize Ben when she captured him and gave him to Sayid? How come Farraday’s mother could tell time events when Desmond met her the first time before he knew who she was. But when they go back in time, everything was new to her as she met her son in the future when she was a young girl. She seemed to be a regular girl “a candidate” because Richard answered to her, yet it was her son not her with the ability to get Desmond to time travel. I guess those are enough questions for now.

  26. 1 day agoI just finally watched all of Lost after many false starts this/last year but I was quite angry at what I initally believed was a cop out by the producers at the finale. I understand that it wasn’t a sci-fi show at the beginning but neither was it a religious drama intertwining various dogmas to get me to dedicate hours of my life away to inspire me about God(s) knows what-pun intended. It was adventure and discovery about things which in my real life I would never get to see, hear or emotionally experience and I lived vicariously through the different characters each episode.
    It was soap opery and cliched at times but I wanted to know the trevails, worries and mysteries they endured and the solutions the castaways came up with to the outlandish scenarios that could only happen there on that fabulous Island. The producers took a great premise and made it ordinary season by season because afterall how many times can you watch them trudge, in small bands, on “road trips” throughout the jungle to unveil something about a particular character. Also once the enemy is known and is humanized then that side of the story faulters into opnions of how things are to be done and it is just squabbling over political nonsense and there is no danger to get a rise out of. If I want that I’ll watch an old Bonanza rerun.
    Then the writers unveiled mysteries ala King- pun intended again, and I went along for the ride eagerly. Then they pulled the rug out from under me and other relevent cliches I can’t remember. I want answers like what poster Sambo wrote earlier on this site. He should have been involoved because I and Others- pun intended saw the switch to a quick cheap resolution before this season even began. It’s like being promised to go to the amusement park and then having to watch and wonder about all the rides and thrills from the outside parking lot while just the Christian radio station is played for your amusement because they didn’t exactly say you would go into the park itself. Cheated, cheated, cheated is what you would feel even though the sermon is uplifting it’s not what you wanted and you now detest what you have been subjected to. Why show creativeness and then stifle it in the end? Cheap thrills? I can only guess that the ratings were slipping for some projected audience they wanted to keep and they pandered to it.
    I watched a series called Stargate and loved every franchise from it because they delivered on technical fantasy although the personal relationship in them were not as fulfilling as Lost. If you come up with something you had better have an answer or solution to it as well and not just keep fudging it along season after season and then go spiritual at the sudden end to explain it away. This was so nonsensical because everybody except Hugo and Desmond and a few Others …. was either a murderer or some lowlife before the island and even on it… frequently! So how did that jibe with any known religion I just don’t know. Did ABC get hijacked by CBN and how exactly can they play Lost on any religious channel is beyond me? Thanks for listening to my rant.

    Tony,
    A dying Jack watched as the Ajira aircraft piloted by Lepidus took Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles and Richard Alpert home supposedly thru Guam because there was now a new protector (Hurley) and his new relaxed rules for leaving and such now that Jacob was dead and also by the subsequent abdication of control by Jack to Hurley.
    In the epilogue Ben and Hurley stayed on as protectors of the island and doing other Dharma chores off island. They recruited Walt (Michael’s now teenage son: remember he’s special) a little later on, from a mental institution that previously held Hurley. This may not only help his dead father (Michael) ascend from being a troubled spirit (“whispers in the forest”) but eventually the torch will pass onto Walt to redeem him from his troubled youth. This probably happens after Ben and Hurley somehow mysteriously die at a later unknown date.
    So at least fourteen people, who either are mentioned or shown in the finale, live after the finale of having some interaction with the island either in someway and/or sometime in the past, present, or future:

    (1) Desmond- likely off island. Drained but alive after doing battle with
    the plug and the EM field. The new Protector of the island (Hurley)
    and his Second (Ben) discuss sending Desmond on his way home to
    Penny and her wealth which has just recently been increased
    expotentially because dad (whitmore) is polar bear food now.

    (1) Ajira flight 316:
    Pilot Lepidus- piloted Ajira off Hydra island and sole survivor of 316
    Never gets another gig flying because he came back with only three
    original passengers and two stowaways, one with no id, and an
    unbeliable story to boot.

    (7) Oceanic 815:
    Sawyer, Claire, Kate- left on Ajira.
    Claire raises Aaron with money from insurance settlement and her
    father’s estate and marries another has-been rock star who reminds
    her of charlie who’s out of luck and hooked on heroin
    and Sawyer and Kate get hitched, then divorced, then hitched again
    then divorc….
    Hurley- stayed on as island protector/ Main Dharma man.
    Opens Chicken shack and emporium because it sounds “cool”and staffs
    it with Others he found in jungle but closes it two months later
    because there is no walkin business.
    Walt- left island on boat previously with Michael but who is destined
    to return as Protector and then leave again six months later to find
    his first girlfriend … and a life.
    Rose and Bernard- gladly stayed on island and were bemused by all the
    dead bodies parts Vincent dragged in daily. Waiting for the reopening
    of Hurley’s Chicken Shack because no more air drops are forthcoming
    because the new Protector didn’t think it through… or did he?
    (1) Aaron (Claire’s son)- birthed on the island and is native- left by
    helicopter then on Penny’s boat and was finally rescued from another
    island by unknown means and then flown home. Smuggles drugs in his
    diapers when the family goes through the Chunnel security
    checkpoints because his new dad can’t leave home without a fix.
    (1) Ji Yeon (Sun’s and Jin’s orphaned daughter)- was concieved on the
    island, her mother (Sun) left by helicopter, raft, then on Penny’s
    boat and was finally rescued from another island by unknown means and
    then flown home and birthed in Korea. Being raised by a gangster
    grandfather who is too old-fashioned and won’t let her walk alongside
    him when they go for walks where she has too carry his umbrella.
    both kids escaped the island and lived so they are valid survivors
    (?) Kidnapped kids and adults- unaccounted numbers in early seasons and
    those who ran from trouble i.e “the flaming arrows” etc. in later
    seasons- left on island. Applying for positions with islands only
    business: Hurley’s Chicken Shack and Emporium but they don’t know
    what to do with the applications they’re given after they wipe their
    butts with them nor even know what a chicken is!

    (1) Ben (Dharma/Others)- remained as Hurley’s Second on island as
    Hurley’s helper and associate Dharma man off island was dating
    “Smokey” (who’s a girl from far away dimension btw) but some
    butthead killed the man she was possessing at the time and she’s in
    limbo for …ever. now hangs with ladies-man Hurley and waiting for
    the chicken thing to bring in the babes.

    (1) Richard (Others)- Jacob’s Second and Consigliere to the Others’
    leader- left on Ajira. Was considered for the Nobel prize for
    medicine for discovering the Fountain of Ageing but was shunned and
    laughed at by everyone in the world and is now in residence at Santa
    Rosa drooling next to some guy mumbling some numbers all day at
    him.

    (1) Miles- Widmore’s recruit- left on Ajira. Did he try and get the
    diamonds? And when he did did the couple wake up as zombies and
    follow him to the airplane and infect the entire world with halitosis.

    (?) Dispersed and unaccounted persons from Others- left on island.
    Waiting on jobs jobs jobs that the new Protector promised after he
    drank the radiation kool-aid Jack gave him and turned him insane

    and of course:

    (1) Vincent- Labrador dog who finally got a good meal by waiting around… Jack. – left on island and waiting for next castaway.

    I was just a funnin and hope you get some joy from my post.

  27. Updated 2/16/2012

    Tony,

    Here are your answers, sometimes tongue in cheek if you don’t mind.

    A dying Jack watched as the Ajira aircraft piloted by Lepidus took Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles and Richard Alpert home supposedly thru Guam because there was now a new island Protector (Hurley) and he created new relaxed rules for leaving and such.

    So at least (14) people, who either are mentioned or shown in the finale, live after the finale who had some physical interaction with the island either in someway and/or sometime in the past, present, or future or alternate reality.

    (6) People are on the escape plane (Ajira 316): Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Ricard and Lepidus. (5) are left living on the island: Hurley, Ben, Desmond, Rose and Bernard plus Vincent the dog. (3) are already living off the island: Walt (USA), Ji Yeon ( Sun’s baby-conceived on island born in Korea) and Aaron (carried in-utero, born on island lives in USA).

    How they first got there-

    (3) By sea: Richard, Desmond, Miles,

    (1) Richard (Others)- Slave on beached Blackrock ship in jungle. Left on Ajira.
    Jacob’s Second and Consigliere to the Others’ leader. Was considered for the Nobel prize for medicine for discovering the Fountain of Ageing but was shunned and laughed at by everyone in the world and is now in residence at Santa Rosa drooling next to some guy mumbling some numbers all day at him playing Connect4.

    (1) Desmond- lost then shipwrecked by sailboat. Likely off island now by Wheel of Fortune teleportation.
    Loves Penny and nickel and dime and farthing and crown and sheckel and lira and pound and euro and just… loves life!!!!
    Drained but alive after doing battle with the Hell Hole Plug and the EM Field of Screams. The new Protector of the island (Hurley) and his Second (Ben) discuss sending Desmond on his way home to Penny and her wealth which has just recently been increased expotentially because dad (Whitmore) is polar bear food now. A very happy man indeed!

    (1) Miles- Widmore’s recruit on freighter- left on Ajira.
    Did he try and get the diamonds from the buried alive couple? And when he did, did that couple wake up as zombies because he could talk to them and they surreptitiously followed him onto the airplane and infect the entire world with halitosis when they all have landed. Zombies don’t brush!
    Pretended to be Jin and feigned grief over Sun so he can get some Oceanic setllement money when he arrived in the USA. Was convicted of fraud when Ji Yeon’s family intervened and exposed the ruse and now resides, but doesn’t sleep, in a correctional facility with it’s own death house and a vast paupers cemetery.

    Ajira flight 316:

    (1) Pilot Lepidus- piloted Ajira off Hydra island and sole survivor of Flight 316.
    Keeps job as pilot but no one wants to fly with him and threfore never gets another gig flying because he came back with only three original passengers and two stowaways, one with no id, no luggage and an unbeliable story to boot! Later checks into cheap “Bates Motel” but doesn’t check out.

    (7) Oceanic 815 passengers:
    Walt, Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Hurley, Rose, Bernard,

    (1) Walt- left island on boat previously with Michael but who is destined
    to return as Protector and then hurriedly leaves again six months later to find… his first girlfriend…and a life. Invents Connect5!

    (2) Sawyer and Kate leave on Ajira.
    Get hitched, then divorced, then hitched again then divorc….
    Fan favorites on ” Alabama Hillbillys with Guns”, “The Bachelor 8″,
    “Bride Wars”, “Cheaters” and “Maury” and “Divorce Court” and “America’s Most Wanted” etc…

    (1) Claire- raises Aaron with money from insurance settlement and her
    father’s estate and marries another has-been rock star who reminds
    her of charlie who’s out of luck and hooked on heroin. Inventor/smuggler. Fanatic fan of “Downton Abbey” which she recites outloud daily in her cell, Calls out to anyone passing by that she thinks a dingo stole her baby.

    (1) Hurley-stayed on as island protector/Dharma President.
    Hurley runs for McMayor unopposed and gets the Oceanic 816 vote. Opens “Flaming Arrows Chicken Shack and Emporium because sounds “cool” and staffs it with “Others” as archers he found in jungle but closes it two months later because there is no walk-in business after the first customer is shot in chest with a skewered chicken. Gets very sick afterwards but ignores it because he’s an immortal afterall and figures what’s the worst that’s gonna happen?

    Seriously:
    In the epilogue available on “the End” Dvd, Ben and Hurley stayed on as Protectors of the island and doing other Dharma chores off island like closing down the food air drop station on Guam. They recruited Walt (Michael’s now teenage son: remember he’s special) a little later on, from a mental institution that previously held Hurley.
    This may not only help his dead father (Michael)and other recently dead ascend from being troubled spirits (“whispers in the forest”) but eventually the torch will pass onto Walt to redeem him from his troubled youth as a Connect4 addict. This probably happens after Ben and Hurley somehow mysteriously die at a later unknown date. How can they die, they’re now immortal right?

    Back to the fun:

    (2) Rose and Bernard- At first gladly stayed on island.
    Were bemused by all the dead bodies parts Vincent dragged in daily and tried to reassemble them, to make friends-pun intended, because there is no tv or radio and they already discused everything there was to discuss and nothing new was happening anymore. Oh how they wished for some
    “drama” now! For awhile Rose ran the employment office placing Others’ in Jobs throughout the island and Bernard did dentistry with old scavenged airplane screws in the professional building shack he and Rose co-own.
    However, both are eagerly waiting for the reopening of Hurley’s chicken shack because no more air drops are forthcoming because the new Protector/ McMayor (Hurley) didn’t think it through… or did he?
    They are now divorced yet keep running into each other and now believe Richard’s prophecy about the island being an interminable hell. They secretly play Meatloaf’s Paradise by the Dashboard Light in their mind daily.

    Born or concieved on island:

    (1) Ben left island as newborn from island then returned as kid with dad on submarine (Dharma apprentice janitor/Others lead stooge/ vice president)- remained as Hurley’s Second banana on island and flunky Dharma man off island.
    Was dating “Smokey” (who was really a special girl from far away dimension btw) but smelly Kate killed the man she was possessing at the time because that was the one man on the island she didn’t sleep with yet and she now wanted him too now that he was in charge. Smokey is now in limbo for… ever on the edge of a cliff but the view is nice. Ben now hangs with ladies-man Hurley and waiting for the Flaming Arrows chicken thing to take off and bring in the babes.
    Poor Ben! Always a wingman (pun intended) and never a leader.

    (1) Aaron (Claire’s son)- birthed on the island and is native. Left by helicopter then raft then onto Penny’s boat, raft and was finally
    “rescued” from another island by unknown means and then flown home by C.G.
    Has to smuggles drugs in his diapers even though he’s 5 when the family goes to France for holiday through the Chunnel security checkpoints because new dad can’t leave home without a fix. Claire gets the idea to then market “special” diapers:
    “Smugglies- Where the baby stays dry and so does the contraband”.
    She is arrested after first advertisment airs on BBC 1 in a sting operation and misses Downton Abbey first two seasons. Starts to lose it!

    *(1) Ji Yeon (Sun’s and Jin’s orphaned daughter)- was concieved on the
    island, her mother (Sun) and her (in-utero) left by helicopter, raft, then onto Penny’s boat, raft and was finally rescued from another island by unknown means and then flown home by C.G. and birthed in Korea.
    * Escaped the island while alive in-utero and lived to be born so she is a valid survivor of the island.
    In Korea she is raised by a gangster grandfather who is too old-fashioned and wouldn’t let her walk alongside him when they went for walks, only having her carry his umbrella for shade which she now beats him daily with while running the rackets herself.

    Unknown alive but lost on island or at sea nearby:

    (?) Oceanic 815 kidnapped kids and adults-unaccounted numbers in early seasons and those who ran from trouble and got lost from running from bad things i.e “the flaming arrows” etc. in later seasons- left on island.
    Squatting the land and hoping and waiting on promises of Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! and land reform that the new Protector made in his election stump speeches after he drank the Radiation Kool-Aid (now on menu btw) that Jack gave him from a filthy bottle and turned him really insane.
    They later took partime work as pirates ransoming ships that float by on occasion. But since they can’t contact the outside world nor sail to it, they now have a flotilla rusting away and despoiling the beaches with the floatsam of dead shipcrew bodies and empty bottles of MacCutcheon that the remaining Others used to immerse their torch rags with.

    Dispersed and unaccounted persons from Others- left on island.
    Wants McMayor Hurley to deport the illegals (Oeanic 815 people) and send them back to Mexico where they say they belong.
    Now praying to a “Golden Bear” they fashioned out of polar bear skin at “Temple” every Sabbath Saturday, they ran a radio and entertainment empire before the gentile Oceanics destroyed it by placing salvage wings on the tower to effect a cross and raiding their community with yearly cleansing pogoms.
    Presently, they are reapplying for positions with island’s only business as archers for “Hurley’s Flaming Arrow Chicken Shack and Emporium” but they don’t know what to do with the applications they’re given so they wipe their butts with the free paper nor do they even know what a chicken is in the first place.

    And of course:

    Vincent:
    Labrador dog who finally got a good meal by waiting around… Jack.
    Left on island and waiting for next castaway.

    I was just a’funnin and hope you get some joy from my post.

  28. Sorry for the multiple posts but I was in MODERATION “Never-Never Land” limbo and didn’t know if it was my writing, my connection or some third thing. My update is wahat I wanted to say to Tony so ignore my earlier posts.
    Hey shout out to Sambo who is a freakin genius with the electromagnetism field explanation. Where were you when they needed you, in a jailcell under Ben’s house? Keep up the great writing!

  29. I’m just sad it’s over. I will miss all of the confusion.