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  • James M
    Bring on T% and T6....I want more Terminator.
  • Ken J
    The problem with TSCC is that it was too serialized. Often episodic shows do far better than the serial ones, because it's like once you miss one episode, everyone after that won't make sense, and that's just too much of a commitment to expect from the majority of the viewers. It's fine with me because I know how to see any episodes I missed but not everyone knows how to or some are just not willing to go through the trouble.
  • MCat
    TSCC ended great! Too bad it's toast.
  • ogb
    Self Made Man was pretty damn good, I agree

    The show sometimes felt "on and off" but for the most part is better than a lot of "popular" tv programming.

    I think Bale proved himself to be a great actor long time ago.

    And it's interesting because you'll hear that a DIRECTOR brought out great performances from ACTORS but you'll never hear that an ACTOR brought out the best out of a DIRECTOR.
  • JessSayin
    @ogb

    Ditto...both posts. Agree word for word.

    I hope they get this worked out. I liked the movie, plot holes and all. I like Bale. Premadonna? maybe but I liked him in 3:0 to Yuma.

    I personally like the episode, 'Self Made Man' on TTSCC. You can download it in HD from Amazon for $2.99.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001V9D3JO
  • ogb
    TSCC ended with a bang. That last episode was great. Sad we don't get to see come back.

    But HEY! Dancing with the Stars and American Idol are back

    YEEEEEE HAWWW!
  • 790
    Amy I think the only thing you can expect of TSCC will be the second season dvds. That show is done,,,
    And yes TSCC is owned by a different group...
  • Amy
    Forget the movies! What about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles? What does this all mean for the show and possibility of DVD movies? Or is it in the same boat and wait it out?
  • Marty Gaston
    If you read the LA Times articles, it turns out that these two guys, Kubicek and Andersen, are not even from Hollywood, they're just two guys who got off the bus and borrowed the money to make Terminator 4 as their first movie. No wonder the thing was messed up. If you make 300 million on a movie and still go bankrupt there's something wrong and it ain't the director!
  • 790
    Mcg and Bale can't take the blame.
    It was the folks behind the scenes telling them and tricking them into it...
    Bale was duped and Mcg wanted this to be his break out film success...

    Read between the lines of this article. These snakes that are suing each other are to blame...
  • Ken J
    @Josh R

    Even though he didn't actually write it, the director has a lot of influence over the script and plot of the movie. If he really thought it was bad, he would have done something about it. I'm not saying he's a BAD director, but he's certainly not a good one. He's good at the technical aspects, getting the shots, directing the action and whatever, but I think his judgment in the plot and dialog is a bit lacking. I just hope they get some good writers for the next one so at least it'll be a bit more entertaining to watch than T:Salvation. Salvation was an ok watch, could have been much better though.
  • Ken J
    Man, I want to watch T2 again...

    "I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do."

    Wow, what a great line to end the movie with... And then Sarah Connor, the person who hated Terminators more than anyone, extending her hand to shake his hand, and giving him that nod of approval/respect. That was moving. Can't wait to see that kind of writing in a Terminator movie again... But it's not likely to ever happen... Oh well... It'll suck if T5 is made and it's another disappointment like it looks to be, then we'll actually have more bad Terminator movies than good ones. At least now the score is even...

    "If a machine can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too." *que music*
  • 790
    Goes to show what happens when a popular film franchise goes up for bid and gets sold to a bunch of greedy Hollywood scumbag hacks that want to make a quick buck and then hire the wrong director followed by the wrong actors...

    If Pacificor does retain ownership I'll bet ya 5 bucks that they sell it off to a major studio to recoup they're losses. (Imo) They wouldn't have the rep or the funds to pull off financing T5 on they're own.
    This is going to drag out for years. I don't think Terminator 5 will happen for at least 4+ years and if there's a way Bale will bale out of the project...
    I can't post exactly what I know about Bale's position on the franchise. I will say that he wasn't happy with the outcome...

    So what's to look forward to,,, another rebooted future war scenario, and a re casted Connor. Yeah,,, Mcg and his producers have taken the Terminator franchise and completely raped what's left of it.
    Nice Job,,, hope your proud of T4 Mcg...
  • MCat
    Yeah should definitely take a lot of the blame for how salvation played out. I do believe he screwed it up but I would have wanted to change it if it really had that original horrible idea of an ending. And it was definitely one of his worst performances.
  • ogb
    Like I said before, get someone talented/creative to write it or direct it.

    The best way to revive this franchise is to come up with an interesting Terminator. Liquid Metal was and still is one of the coolest freaking characters in a movie.

    T3 we saw a lazy version of a "new" terminator. T4 had too many machines that were just that, machines.
  • ogb
    @ Stephen

    The definitely need to bring it back to current day. Terminators in post apocalyptic world just did not work well on screen. Terminators destroying the crap out of modern day LA/NY/etc., sign me up.

    @ Josh R

    I guess we'll never know the truth. But I don't think you can blame Bale for everything like that. His performance was actually pretty good. Him and Worthington saved that movie from being a complete mess.

    The script was rewritten by Nolan's brother, who co wrote Dark Knight. I don't think the script is to blame either.

    If anything, it's McG average/below average director skills and some of the supporting cast (Common) was horrible. And ENOUGH with cute little girls/boys in post apocalyptic movies. I thought that that was a distraction and a cliche in this movie.
  • Stephen Tilson
    I don't think the franchise has anything fresh left to say about the interaction of humans and technology. All the man vs. machine, machine becomes man, man becomes machine inversions have been taken care of now. If there's a fifth Terminator, it needs to move back to its roots and be less a contemplation of the nature of humanity and technology and more of a full-throttle action flick pitting relentless cyborg killers against a small band of humans.
  • Josh R
    Here's my stance on McG.

    He's NOT a bad director. I loved the look of T4, even if the story was less than stellar. But the thing is, McG had almost nothing to do with the story.

    Now obviously it seems he has some pretty stupid ideas for a fifth movie, so maybe that's a moot point, but I still hold that T4 did not suck BECAUSE of McG, and there were points in the film that I thought he did a really good job with.

    Bale's let the success go to his head, so he had the entire story rewritten so that he was the star, and then he gave one of the worst performances of his career. If anyone's to blame, it's Bale.
  • ogb
    Sorry, some other thoughts about his name from other posters:

    "McG is not simply his name. McG is his nickname. Joseph Nichol is simply his name. This guy's a f**king r**ard."

    "Ahhh, the old let's-pretend-I-don't-like-my-name-but-the-truth-is-that-I-like-it-because-it-looks-cool-in-the-credits bit. Gotta love it"
  • MCat
    I think you guys need to remember that McG did not write the script. Yes, he had much to do with how the movie played out but he can only improvise so much when it comes to the script. He can't really make a bad script better if he doesn't have control over those things. He wasn't great as a director for TS but not horrible by any means. I fully blame the writers for the mess that was TS.
  • ogb
    lol Django

    I wander if the downgrade in quality of the director/crew really did bug the hell out of Bale?

    I still can't stand his name and will never take him serious until he makes a superb film or CHANGES HIS DAMN NAME. I understand it's his "nickname" but he said it himself it sounds dumb...why keep it?


    “I realize my name is ridiculous. I was born Joseph McGinty Nichol. McG is short for McGinty. I have been called this since the day I was born to create separation from my Uncle Joe and Grandpa Joe. I realize it sounds like some Hollywood nickname, hip-hop choice. But the truth is, this is simply my name - for every day of elementary school, every zit-filled day of high school. I have been taking shit for it ever since. I get it, I would think it’s lame too. But it’s just a name, and to change it now would seem fraudulent.”
  • Django
    Now do people understand Christian Bale's tirade?

    To go from a class act like Christopher Nolan to
    (ahem)

    a dude calls himself "McG"?

    They should somehow incorporate the techno remix of Bale's tirade into the soundtrack to the next film. And have a whole factory's worth of Terminator's dance to it.

    Because they won. Humanity lost.

    THAT's how this should end.
  • ogb
    I say we're 2 for 2 right now. 2 good ones and 2 bad ones (T1,T2 vs T3 T4). Even steven. Let's do another one but make it right. Keep MCG away from the franchise, Salvation was a mess (even the soundtrack, which on its own has good songs, pissed me off) The cast did not fit the franchise at all IMO.

    I wish a talented director would gain interest in the Terminator franchise. I remember when Aranofsky said he'll be doing Robocop I was so excited. That's what Terminator needs...talent.
  • I enjoyed T4, but I hope we don't get anymore sequels especially if McG is gonna send HKs back in time.
  • John "Kahless" Taylor
    In my opinion, any future Terminator movies should be in the future with Connor fighting, and finally defeating, Skynet. The next movie can have Skynet sending back the 3 Terminators, and Connor sending back Reese and the 2 Terminators, but the 6th movie should be Connor getting killed and the resistance defeating the machines once and for all. AND BRING BACK CAMERON!!
  • MCat
    @tasouli
    why would you want that? So we can see Terminator 2 all over again?

    Btw, have you seen Robert Patrick in a while? He's looking pretty old.

    I will repeat myself once again. Anyone who wants to bring the terminator franchise to the present instead of the future does not care about continuity and shouldn't step anywhere near a terminator film.
  • tasouli
    I thought Salvation was pretty good, liked Rise of the Machines a lot, and Judgement Day is obviously a classic so I say bring it on. If they stick with the idea of time traveling back 20-30 some odd years ago to when T2 took place and bring back Robert Patrick I think it would be VERY VERY cool.
  • Andy S
    I haven't seen T:S yet as I heeded the reviews here and decided to wait for it on DVD. I do hope, however, that the franchise doesn't end. I hope it continues, but goes back to it's roots of relying on STORY not SFx. Yes, the effects in the first 2 were part of the charm of the movies, but the stories and the actors are what made them AWESOME films. The last 2 films (and from T:S I am going by previews) seem to rely more on the SFx and WOW factor than the actual story itself. Bring in some good writers, scale back the epicness of it and you can once again have a great Terminator film.
  • dafadge
    I'm to much of a fan to see it end now, plus wait till dvd the film will eventually find its audience
  • MCat
    If the same writers are a part of it then yes it should mean no Terminator 5. If new writers are brought in then I say bring on the fifth movie and keep us in the future. NO PRESENT DAY!
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