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Ken J says:

Aww, that’s a little disappointing, the ending kind of makes it or breaks it sometimes for me, so it kind of sucks that you say the ending wasn’t good. Oh well, I’ll probably end up seeing it anyhow… Edge of Darkness looks crazy too, and Martin Campbell gives me some confidence in it…

Gary says:

Vic, over at IMDB somebody said that it was a ripoff of The Dark Knight.
Specifically,
The Jokers methods of murder.
Just curious about your thoughts on this.

@Gary

I didn’t get that at all from the film.

Vic

Mike E. says:

oh come now, it has Gerard “Butt”ler in it! it can’t be ALL that bad :D

Andy S says:

There truly are less and less movies that I feel warrant the $9.50 to see in the theater. I was hoping that this would be one of them. I’ll see it, but only after it’s released on Blu-Ray.

Gary says:

Vic,
Excellent!
Just an extreme reaction as I thought .

NOT AS SPOILERIFIC AS THE REVIEW BUT–Just came home from the movie and it was EXCELLENT. Twists and turns that keep you on the edge of your seat and the scene with naked Gerry was worth the price of admission alone :-) . However–the ending was not what I wanted and the biggest perpetrator of the worst crime gets off with his life intact. A little older, a little wiser perhaps, but it was a typical Hollywood eye for an eye of an ending. Even with that, it is well worth going to see.

Ken J says:

Not as spoilerific? Yet you talk about what actually happens in the end?? Alright…

I did not give it away at all and when you see it you’ll find that true.

Ken J says:

Um, but you said someone stays alive, what if I was open to the possibility that everyone dies?

Gary says:

I saw it.
I pretty much feel the way about it Vic did.
I would also give it 3 stars.
I just emailed a friend this morning about how I thought a lot of what the Joker did in TDK was unexplained,
he seemed too omnipotent.
now I am not so sure If i want to know how the villains do what they do if it isnt more well thought out then this.
The answer just led to more questions ,
but still if you can stand the violence , a lot of it is entertaining .
Go check it out.

Jason Charles says:

The movies was good. The end was BS. How does a “Brain” get caught by DA. He’s killed countless people and his line of work is to cover his tracks. Plus he would of definitely put those property under another name. I know enough about that “Line of Work” to know that those are the last people (Jamie Fox & the irish dude) on this planet that would of caught him.

Aaron says:

@ Ken J
Everyone dies? Are you referring to ‘The Departed’ ^_^

@ Gary
There’s a line where one of the politicians, not sure what her official position was, but she was a black woman with power…anyway, she said something along the lines of ‘how can one man bring this city to its knees’ which seemed like a major TDK/joker reference, but other than that, no. The methods for killing didnt remind me of the joker at all

Ken J says:

@Aaron

OMG, I’ve never seen The Departed yet! You jerk!! lol :-D

rich says:

lol ken if that were true youd be the jerk for waiting so long to see a classic

shame shame

Ken J says:

There are many movies that I need to rent that I never had the chance to see… :-(

John "Kahless" Taylor says:

Guys, you should really put a ***** SPOILER WARNING ***** before giving out information like this. I saw the movie and while the ending was a bit of a letdown, I think there was a reason.

****** SPOILER WARNING ******

The reason, I believe, the DA was able to catch him was because he wanted to be caught. His life was over and he wanted this DA, who was also an intellectual, to see that making deals with murderers was wrong. As stated before, Butler’s character was methodical and leaving a hole that big (owning the warehouse near the jail) is something he would not have overlooked….unless it was on purpose.

****** END SPOILER ******

I liked it but I don’t plan on seeing it again nor buying it. I would agree: 3 out of 5.

Jon says:

I thought this movie was pretty decent. Kind of dragged along here and there, and some of Jamie’s dialogue sounded forced. Colm Meaney had absolutely nothing to do till the end which was kind of disappointing. I want to see Miles O’Brien do something more than walk around with Jamie Foxx!

But overall, I didn’t think it was bad. It wasn’t as smart as Silence of the Lambs, and not as gruesome as the Saw films. But Gerard Butler really made it more enjoyable with his performance.

Ken J says:

I just saw the movie, thought it was pretty good, and vic, surprisingly, I disagree with you on the ending.

********SPOILER**********

I think it was appropriate that Nick doesn’t die and that Clyde does. Don’t get me wrong, torturing the two people responsible for the death of his wife and daughter, you won’t see me shedding any tears over them, they deserved it. But it got to a point where Clyde was going a bit too far, killing people who have no choice over the principles but are just people who do their job.

And regarding Nick, I read that some people here think that he is the most guilty and should have been killed, but you know what, I don’t really blame him, I blame the system more. The Justice system does reward lawyers for their numbers, and it just breeds this “have to win” mentality over bringing justice. Now-a-days you see prosecutors lying almost as often as defense attorneys. Their motivation is often time no longer to uphold justice, but to simply win the case, regardless of if they really believe the person is guilty or not.

Don’t worry, I’m not sympathizing with criminals and think that there are a bunch of innocent criminals behind bars, there are some but the majority of them are definitely guilty, it’s just the lawyers’ motivations that I’m putting into quesion. I also think all of these technicalities that let guilty criminals free should stop. That would result in less plea bargains too.

Anyway, I saw Nick as being a morally gray character in the beginning, but by the end, I think he realized his mistakes, and by then, I didn’t really want him to die, I really didn’t want Sarah to die either, that was really sad, she seemed like such a good person… Jonas too, actually a lot of them seemed like pretty good people that didn’t deserve to die. It just seemed like after a while Clyde just started enjoying the power he had over everyone and became a sociopath. Basically, he went from a grieving father seeking justice and revenge to simply a murderer by the end of the movie.

****END SPOILERS*****

I liked the movie, even the ending, I think I would have given it a higher score than Vic, 3.5 or even 4 out of 5. :-)

That’s my opinion of the movie.

badlvillemojo says:

I just saw the movie tonight, and while I see your point Vic. I also have to disagree about the ending and agree with Ken J up to a point. I don’t agree that Clyde was going down that road (power tripping, sociopath, etc) because you can see the disgust on his face killing the other people. I think you read it incorrectly. The impression I got, for instance, in killing the cell mate was that he was doing it out of necessity and you could see him go through “stomaching” what he had done after. He always did his job “remotely” or “from far away” never up close. So I didn’t see him as the type to go down that road.

They mentioned that he was very calulating, skilled, and a “brain”. Basically someone who is trained to kill as his job. I got the feeling that he was the type to “do” his job well but he never enjoyed it. I also think his goal was to “teach” Nick a lesson that he would never forget and change him.

Which he did, if you recall at the end Clyde said something like, so are you ready to bargain with me? And Nick plainly stated, No, I don’t bargain with killers.

I think that last 15 to 20 minutes was what I was expecting. It seemed to me it was what the movie was driving towards. I don’t think Clyde planned on living through it either. I do think he was very surprised with what Nick came up with but was satisfied that he “got it” at the end. Just my impressions of the movie.

I would have given a 4.5 as I throughly enjoyed the movie.

stpau1y says:

SPOILER WARNING*********

Does no one remember how they caught him? They used illegal tactics to catch him buy using those property records from Panama or wherever. What I find more head scratching is why Butler’s character did not make his bomb unmovable, if it was unmovable then Foxx and the other guy were boned and everyone was dead. Also how did Foxx and the other guy make it to the jail cell and place the bomb before Butler got back to the cell? Finally am I the only one who wanted Butler to live?

@stpau1y

The major complaint most people have about the film is the ending – poor choice on their part.

Vic

While spending some “empty-theater” time this weekend (me and two other lost souls apparently, wow) I saw this film and – I guess it makes up for Gamer at least.

I also got a lot out of talking about what we saw at the end with a friend recently who at least had “fixes” for the questions I saw. I’ll wait for some more detailed rantings until after this movie goes away in the theater, but even the rather outrageous ending can be explained away with the right mind. The problem is folks:

ENDINGS SHOULDN’T need to be be explained :)

More soon as the three people in the theater becomes none and this movie disappears like the common sense 3/4 of the way through it.

SIN187UM says:

Saw the film yesterday. It was decent. I was surprised the F. Gary Gray directed this.

Robert Standridge says:

I saw the movie. It started out gripping, then lead to interesting,then I became anxious, and it ended with a “Carrie like” ending.

Dave Burton says:

Loved the first 80% of the movie that was so annoyed with the ending that I am online searching for someone to explain it to me in a satisfying way! (no such luck)

I wanted Butler to live. They showed his countless studies of law books, I was expecting him to somehow argue his case and get off scott free and remain a “law abiding citizen” even after these crimes.

ie) how could he be blamed for committing murder while locked up in solitary – who can prove that in court

I agree, the bomb moved from the location to his jail cell pretty damn quickly, I guess the bomb technician also knew how to teleport.

With a different ending, this woulda been one of my favorites, isntead, I’ll just play keep playing my xbox and never watch it again. : -)

Ken J says:

I don’t think he deserved to live. He was willing to kill a room full of people just to satisfy his own twisted vision of justice. The guy got caught up in his own powertrip after a while.

I agree with his dislike of our justice system and I 100% agree with him murdering the two murderers. But as much as I dislike bottom feeding scum suckers like defense lawyers or activist judges willing to let criminals go, I don’t think they deserve to die. That’s a bit much. Although I did enjoy the ways he killed people, but there were a lot of people that he murdered that really didn’t do anything wrong…

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