‘Justice League’ Movie Getting New Script; DC Shared Universe on the Way?

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While it may seem like news to some, anybody who has been tracking the progress of Marvel’s The Avengers has already likely to deduced that new life would not-so-coincidentally get breathed into DC and Warner Bros. perennially-stalled Justice League movie. And that’s just what happened.

Not only does the Justice League movie have a new writer, he’s actually been at work on the script (in secret) for a little while. And, as has been speculated by superhero movie fans everywhere, there are growing signs that DC Comics’ movies will start to emulate Marvel’s shared universe approach.

Will Beall is the writer that DC/WB has currently at work on the Justice League script. Beall is a quickly-rising talent who has found a good nest over at Warner Bros: he is penning several big-budget films for the studio, including this fall’s Gangster Squad, the Logan’s Run remake (which Ryan Gosling is slated to star in) and the announced Lethal Weapon reboot. Those upcoming projects will mark Beall’s first feature-film credits; clearly WB knows something the rest of us have yet to discover.

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The Variety report describes further example of clairvoyant vision from the studio: Beall was reportedly set to work on Justice League before Avengers became a billion-dollar box office smash. The money is clearly on the table when it comes to these next-level superhero team-up films – question is, how will DC/WB go about getting theirs?

The Dark Knight Rises is coming out in a few weeks – but don’t expect things to kick off there. Chris Nolan has long and famously maintained his trilogy’s autonomy, wishing it to be free from any sort of shared universe; ironically enough, he was later approached by the studio to “godfather” their cinematic universe, starting with the story for the Superman reboot, Man of Steel and possibly extending to directing the Justice League movie. After Batman is done, there is no telling at this point if Nolan will hang around or move on to other work… bet safe bet is on the latter.

Speaking of Man of Steel: Zack Snyder’s new vision of Superman arrives next summer – and with it, many savvy fans have expected to see the first few threads of the DC Movie Universe (DCMU) take shape. We here at Screen Rant have seconded that notion – and offered the further prediction that – should he prove successful at relaunching Superman – DC will likely position Zack Snyder as a DCMU architect.

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Of course, Man of Steel still has a lot of people to win over, and the DCMU already took a blow with the underperformance of Green Lantern in 2011. The question of whether Green Lantern 2 is still in the cards – or whether the property should get a fresh start – remains unanswered for now. The G.I. Joe franchise attempted to make a sequel that was also a reboot – so hey, pretty much anything goes, these days.

Director George Miller is finally set to get to work on his long-delayed Mad Max 4 film, but he also suffered many starts and stops when he was set to direct the Justice League movie in the late 2000s. We wouldn’t count on Miller coming back, necessarily – especially if DC/WB does form a small circle with guys like Nolan and Snyder. For what it’s worth, I think small circle is the best way to steer this kind of ship.

DC Comics and Warner Bros. formed DC Entertainment back in 2009, in order to help expand the stable of DC superheroes owned by WB into a brand that could be as lucrative as the Harry Potter franchise had been. This game plan resulted in the DC Comics “New 52″ reboot of their comic book properties, with changes to core characters in the Justice League presumably to make them more modern and multi-media friendly.

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Will Batman be Rebooted?

Man of Steel clearly has New 52 influences all over it, and it’s likely that after Nolan, Batman will also get a movie reboot (probably in the vein of his New 52 counterpart) to establish a shared movie universe version of the character. Just don’t hold your breath for Christian Bale to hang around.

As noted in the Variety piece, here are some currently in-development DC/WB films we’ve reported on, which could all conceivably be orchestrated to fit within a DC movie Universe:

We’ll keep you updated about the status of the Justice League movie as more news comes to light.

Source: Variety

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  1. WB will make a Batman movie guest starring the Justice League. It will be called The Dark Knight and Friends.

    • i’d pay to see that lol

    • No but they could have clark kent or lex luthor show up in cameos.

    • They could have clark kent or lex luthor show up in cameos.

    • They could have clark kent or lex luthor show up in cameo appearance in a batman film.

  2. Great news.
    IMO, DC should just do a Justice league movie. They don’t need to introduce all their characters in separate, solo movies.

    • Yep, trying to go the individual route and build up to a group movie would take too long to do correctly and DC needs to act now to take advantage of the general superhero hype.

      So they should do the opposite of what Marvel is doing (if anything else, just to prove they aren’t just copying Marvel), do the JL movie and THEN do possible individual projects with possible crossover cameos to keep the shared universe feeling alive.

      • I agree that now is the time to act if they want to cash in on the hype but one of the reasons the avengers was so good was because we already established character back stories. there was no need for character development in the movie and so we had a lot of time for action. if WB does a league movie first, they wouldn’t have that advantage. so we’d either be bogged down by character development for all the members or just mindless action.

        • Or we they could find a solid mix of both I can see why they chose him other than being a favorite in the studio Gangster Squad is a team up movie in its own right. Wonder woman has a writer too so Im guessing they will have their own character movies just it wont take as long this time. This needs to be on the same level as Watchmen.

        • Ha, yeah, who wants silly things like ‘character developement’ in a movie anyways;)

    • Except that Marvel did it and it’s the only way it can be done. Not!

      The characters are all recognizable and well known. Flash is a guy who runs fast. GL has a “magic ring” (and a movie).

      This reminds me of a Walter Hill quote where he says, I’m not interested in where the characters come from or where they’re going. I’m interested in what they are doing in the movie. That’s a paraphrase.

      Then I was watching a documentary with TV directors. They were all talking about the superiority of TV over movies for developing characters and plots. Then David Chase (Soprano’s) is saying, No, there’s plenty of great movies where everything you need to know is right there in two hours or less. There’s not a Casablanca 1, 2, 3.

      The only reason more movies are needed is to explain the extraordinary nature of the characters. People understand the origins of DC characters enough to get moving. They can tinker and expand later. Thor needed a movie probably more than anyone, and Marvel was building hype. But I am now questioning the need for solo movies for every charater. Like Black Panther for instance.

      • You know, it’s really hard to get a read the message you’re bringing across… the tone of your comment sounds as if you’re disagreeing with me, but the content of your comment (mainly about how DC characters are well known: Flash being the fast guy, GL has his ring, Wonder Woman is the warrior, etc.) is pretty much exactly what I’ve been saying for months lol.

        So… just to make it clear: you agree with me when I say they can just do a Justice League movie? There is no need for DC to do solo movies on each of their characters?

        • Yes. I agree with that. My first statement threw you, but it’s just sarcasm. Everyone is thinking DC has to do things like Marvel. I’ve never agreed, even back when Marvel started the Avengers project. And I’m a Marvel fan. I know I’ve discussed this many times before on this site and I’m pretty sure you’ve been a part of the ensuing arguments.

          Yes, we agree on this.

      • With all due respect Nostelg, I don’t know what you are talking about. What “people” no the origins of second-tier heroes like Green Lantern, Wonder Woman and Flash? They were on the same level of general populace knowledge as pre-movie Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man – and as you even admitted, most of them needed to be reintroduced.

        In any event, while it is possible that you can try a Justice League and spin out solo films from there, it would be much harder. Look at something like Expendables – they just can’t get all the characters the screen time they need to make you care about them (heck, who even cares about Hawkeye in the Avengers? He definitely drew the short straw of character development). Avengers proved that you don’t need to solo everyone (i.e. Nick Fury, Black Widow, Hawkeye), the ones that don’t get the solo treatment are the ones who suffer most.

        • People don’t need to know every single origin. People know Superman and his origin. People know Batman and his origin. That’s two huge characters that need no explanation. Additionally people know Wonder Woman. She’s an icon. Do they know every single detail about her? No. Neither do I. But if a dark haired woman in a similar (enough) costume with a magic lasso and bullet proof bracelets shows up, people will know that is Wonder Woman.

          Let me compare that to Marvel pre-Iron Man 2008. People wouldn’t know who Iron Man was, much less Thor. Much much much less. Hulk is recognizable but from the TV show, not the long-jumping super strong one. But there at least was the Ang Lee movie at that point. Captain America was semi-recognizable but he kind of needed explanation, his WWII character and his shield almost more than his powers. These guys weren’t one/fifth as recognizable as Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Aquaman was more well known. Flash would have given them a run (pun) for their money.

          Now back to JLA. You have “the trinity” already; Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. A hardcore comic fan might WANT more detail about Wonder Woman, but it’s not needed for the audience. That is a pretty strong line-up there. I’m saying with that strong of a core, they can add several more characters and general audiences heads won’t explode (I won’t promise the same for fanboy’s heads). So if Flash is there with a little explanation, people will be okay and accept that this guy runs really fast. Same with Green Lantern. A little explanation and he’s basically a guy with a magic ring. I believe they could even add Hawk-girl.

          Look at “The Incredibles.” They’re weren’t ANY solo movies but there was a movie full of superheros with far-out powers saving the world from giant robots. It also was a touching family drama with a message about asserting your abilities. Now some dismiss that as a
          “cartoon” and not a “movie.” But I fail to see how that movie managed to have dozens of super-powered people who were all previously unknown, and yet there can’t be a movie with several characters, all of whom are somewhat known or extremely well-known.

          Finally, Nick Fury, Hawkeye, and Black Widow “suffered” because they aren’t as flashy and powerful, not only because they didn’t have solo movies. Also, Black Widow didn’t suffer. The audience liked her. I know I was completely turned around on her.

          I asked my 6 year old nephew who his favorite character was. He said “Captain America.” I asked him what he liked about him and he said, “his shield.” My eleven year old niece said, “Hawkeye and then Hulk.” She liked how he shot arrows without looking.

          In case you still don’t understand, I think folks have gone loco for solo movies. It worked for Marvel and was a marketing tool. Sure DC could do that, but if they do, it will take years and be a huge gamble. They’ll be greeted with skepticism as it looks like they are imitating Marvel. Each movie will be judged. Marvel was bare-knuckling it last year worried about CA and especially Thor. Does DC want to go through that with 5 or more movies? By contrast, JLA is a sure thing.

          • Nostelg

            Very good comparison to Incredibles (easily one of the greatest super hero films ever – up there with Dark Knight, Scott Pilgrim, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man and Avengers). I’m not saying it can’t be done, what I am saying is that it will be incredibly difficult and that heroes on the level of Flash and Wonder Woman are pretty much unknown to the general populace, i.e. the people buying tickets (films like Scott Pilgrim, Wanted and Kick Ass showed that movies dont thrive on geek appeal alone). They might know the general gist of them (my wife knows the Flash runs fast and Wonder Woman wears a sexy outfit), but without reason to care, why should people turn out in droves.

            While many kids may be totally open to just there being heroes, kids don’t buy movie tickets (at least, not below the age of 13). Part of the reason Avengers is so wildly successful was that non-geek adults became invested in one or more of these characters and, like the geeks, anticipated seeing them together.

            I agree, we don’t need to rehash Batman and Superman, they are completely within the pop culture. But, will people really go to see a movie involving an Amazon goddess meeting some dude who had chemicals dumped on him while hit by lightning to tap into the “speed force” (I think that is Flash’s origin?), I doubt it.

            I suppose the best way to do it would be to just open with the film with the world in power and the non Supes/Bat heroes immediately putting their powers on display. Then they can all meet through that experience and delve into their history, but as we saw in Iron Man 2 – mid-film exposition can really just kill a film.

            • “But, will people really go to see a movie involving an Amazon goddess meeting some dude who had chemicals dumped on him while hit by lightning to tap into the “speed force” (I think that is Flash’s origin?), I doubt it.”

              I was going to guess that he breathed chemicals, but lighting and speed force sound right too.

              Anyway, to answer that question: Why not? I mean it could be awful or great depending on writing, acting, and directing. Avengers could have been horrible. I think a scene like you mentioned could be handled in brief flashbacks. Commercials can tell pretty involved stories in thirty seconds, so a lot can be done in a few minutes. Have some character who can be incredulous and inject humor into the origins revealed. The audience will care if they like the characters and the writers can give them personalities as well as powers.

              Anyway, the question is moot. That movie won’t be made. Ask the same question by putting Batman and Superman in front of that.

              I’ll have to see Scott Pilgrim. I loved Kick Ass. What a great movie on a low budget. Other movies I liked are the Hellboy movies. I’ll grant they weren’t huge hits, but they were really well done on a modest budget. I don’t care what the objections are, I’ll be watching Hulk if Gillermo Del Toro indeed develops it. Anyway, the Hellboy movies are more movies full of unknown superheros.

              These movies are a crapshoot. I just think they’d be better off making a JL movie without solo movies, which could backfire. I believe that Joss Whedon probably doubled the money any other Avengers movie could have made. So I don’t expect JL to be that big of a hit. But it would be a hit. Flash? Wonder Woman? I don’t know.

              • Barry Allen was standing next to a batch of chemicals when lightning hit him and the chemicals giving him lightning speed. The Speed Force came afterwards and was generated by Barry Allen and is the center of the Speed Force. At least that’s what it was before the new 52.

              • Barry Allen was standing next to a batch of chemicals when lightning hit him and the chemicals giving him lightning speed. The Speed Force came afterwards and was generated by Barry Allen who is the center of the Speed Force. At least that’s what it was before the new 52.

        • Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash and the Green Lantern have all either had a live action movie or tv show based off them. Just saying!

    • i agree

    • I agree. I think overall DC’s characters in the form of the Justice League are better known than Marvel’s Avengers and each one needed an introductory movie. DC’s characters don’t because they’ve had their introductions in the form of JL animation going back to the days of Super Friends. Also, wasn’t JL created before the Avengers?

      Just start with a Justice League movie and not worry about solo movies for the time being. They could do solo movies afterwards.

      • @Rafter, what in the world are you talking about. Marvel hero animation also had roots back to the 60s and most people didn’t know them. Marvel has been dominating the comic sales charts for years, so you have zero basis to claim DC heroes are more well-known.

        JLA was created before the Avengers – but until the recent film, both groups have about the same lack of relevance in non-geek culture. DC would be making a huge mistake thinking that people inherently “know” DC characters better than Marvel ones (especially when you are talking about heroes like Cyborg of Martian Manhunter).

        • Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman have been a staple of pop culture for decades. I’m pretty sure if a trailer showed those three in it, the general population would go.

          • @B-List

            You are right, people will always go, but not in the droves that would if they do it right. Knowing does NOT always = seeing (hell, lots of people know Scooby Doo, GI Joe, and the A-Team. Noone went to see the films though).

            Fox essentially banked on the fact that people would go to see the Fantastic Four because they have a long-standing pop culture presence. That is why Fantastic Four died after 2 movies. Fox kind of used the same strategy with the X-Men trilogy and killed (and X-Men/Wolverine have almost always had bigger pop culture awareness than Wonder Woman, Flash, or Green Lantern). As popular as Wolverine has become, his solo movie couldn’t put enough butts in the seats.

            But, once Fox made a decent film again with virtually unknown mutants in First Class, people came out for it.

            You also have to remember how expensive a JLA movie would/will be. Why act so cavalier with the film when overwhelming success will make you more billions (I am willing to bet the Captain America and Thor sequels will surge thanks to Avengers). DC can’t afford to take the laissez-faire attitude you suggest and assume success simply because people “know of” 3-4 of the leads

            • Fantastic 4 fizzled due to story writing. That was not Dr. Doom. And people would go in droves to any movie if it has a good story. Remember Titanic? Everyone who knows history knew the ending, but it told a love story that forced every woman in the world to drag their man to it. And us men got our payback with the Avengers. I’m not saying rush the JLA movie and write a terrible script. I’m saying tell us a great JLA story without a bunch of origin films because how many times do the people need to hear about Krypton, Thomas Wayne, or the Green Lantern. The answer is once…but we got more than one origin for Bats already and another for Supes on the way. The JLA universe is established enough to create a great movie as long as it has an outstanding script and director.

            • Wolverine may be more popular in comic fandom, but Wonder Woman has more name recognition than he does to the “common man.” Just sayin’.

        • Evan,

          I am speaking to the non-geek culture and not speaking to comic sales. JL has been more mainstream in my opinion since Super Friends and is seen with the popular Young Justice series.

          My basis is based on my observation in my community. JL is more well known and next Star Wars very popular among the kids. If, before the Avengers movie, you asked who Batman or Wonder Woman were and who Captain America and Thor were you’d most likely see that people know the former better than the latter.

          In the non-geek culture JL characters are more well known because they’ve been around longer and in more media than those in the Avengers. Marvel needed to do individual movies for people to understand the team up. Thanks to Justice League animated series and other Batman animated series, Superman animated series, and the more recent Young Justice animated series, JL is better known culturally so they wouldn’t need to have a WW movie or a Flash movie. Even characters like Martian Manhunter and Cyborg (if he was included) could be introduced in the beginning of the movie something the New 52 did a great job of.

          Marvel’s hero animation has only until this point consisted of X-Men and Spider-Man (and friends) and Fantastic Four and Hulk but recently have had animation related solely to the Avengers. JL has been consistent in being a part of the culture outside of comics in the form of the top 3 versus Avengers top 3.

          • Actually Marvel has also had animated Iron Man and Silver Surfer series, plus Spidey and X Men toons way way back to the 60s (plus the seminal Hulk TV show and the less seminal live-action Spider-Man TV show).

            Also, being around longer is a faulty premise. Captain America was around since the 40s, and also based on your premise, Sub Mariner should be WAY more popular than Aquaman given his much longer premise.

            Let’s be honest, there are only three comic book characters that, to this day, have fully saturated the non-geek market. Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man. You could also make an argument more recently that Wolverine is at their level. So, to compare those three to any other hero is ludicrous. Plus, you keep saying Wonder WOman, but I don’t think she has been particularly relevant since Linda Carter. Hell, David E. Kelly couldn’t even get her a new show off the ground. Hulk is easily (even pre-Avengers) more popular and well known than Wonder Woman or any other second-tier JLAer outside the geek community, and we know how well he has fared pre-Avengers.

            You also say that JLA is more popular, but my understanding is that Marvel has slaughtered DC generally in the geek field (via sales of comics) since the 90s, so I find it hard to believe that JLA is more popular than Avengers or even X Men within the Geek community. I know the new 52 has boosted things wildly from DC, but most of what I read about the new 52 and the JL reboot in particular is negative.

            Yes, there is no doubt that DC animation absolutely schools Marvel animation with Justice League, Batman TAS, Batman Begins, Teen Titans, etc. But, once again, you are looking at a very small sub-culture. As a 28-year old man, I can say I am in a SMALL minority of people who still watch cartoons at this age outside of the Pixar/Dreamworks/big-budget animation crop. I recently tried to show my wife an episode of Batman TAS and she could barely sit through it (she also fell asleep through the Batman Year One animated film). So, DC may have more success and a larger niche following, but devotion to animation will not translate over to big screen success. For that, you need to capture the general public who do not watch cartoon shows past puberty. Once again, kids do not buy movie tickets.

            Thus, why I think it will be harder if they launch into a JL movie with characters that people generally do not know outside of Supes and Batman.

            • Again, read what I wrote. I said popular in my community among the non-geek base i.e. those who do not buy comics.

              • Yes, and most of my points are for the non-geek quotient. Once again, I do think Marvel has the edge in the non-geek community. Do people perhaps know more DC characters? that is likely. Do they actually like more DC characters? I don’t think so.

                My impression is the non-geek crew generally mock capes on heroes and view Superman as stodgy and old-fashioned.

          • Captain America came out two years after Superman. He is every bit as well known as anyone on the justice league. I never read avengers I was mostly a DC guy growing up,except for Spider-man and X-Men, but I knew who Thor and Ironman were. The rest of the team yeah pretty much unknown, but those three are/were at least as well known as most of the Justice League.

            I’ll give you Supes and Bats, but the rest not so much. Even Wonderwoman hasn’t been all that well known in years. I bet most people think she still needs an invisible jet to fly.

          • Hi, I am pop culture at its finest. Im 18 years old. I’ve seen every marvel movie post 07 and all the dark knight movies. I watched justice league as a kid and tbh hadn’t heard of the avengers. I know who the avengers are because marvel did s*** right. I have no f****** clue about flash or wonder woman. I refuse to see green lantern. Literally, batman and superman are the only mainstream ones, and superman is stupid.

  3. WB/DC imo should really offer Bruce Timm & Co the job of being involved in the DCMU since they did such a great job with Justice League/JLU animated series. Loved their version of Cadmus story arc with Amanda Waller, Luthor faking his presidential bid to tick off Superman among other stuff revealed that dated back to Superman:TAS.

    • I definitely echo your sentiment WallyWest, he should be brought on board. Like Joss Whedon, Timm really understands universe-building, character development, the DC universe, and presentation of compelling stories.

      • @ Evan

        Thank you. Im glad im not the only one here who thinks the sameway. Timm & Co really do know that stuff & know what they’re doin in those aspects. Like in their version of the Cadmus story arc in JLU animated series, they felt they needed to have bad guys win one. In live-action i can see them do the same if they do a trilogy of Justice League films in a Star Wars kind of way, you know? I know Timm & Co. would do wonders in DCMU. Id bet all my DC comic-related thing i own on it.

    • Wally,

      I have been saying that (and even said it Timm himself) for YEARS now. They have their own Joss Whedon and they are just wasting him.

      • @ Kofi Outlaw

        I been sayin it myself & thinkin these guys should be first in line if WB/DC ever think about bringing a live-action Justice League film. Besides their work from Batman:TAS thru JLU animated series, they made great Feature animation movies such as Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm, Batman:Subzero which should of been what Batman & Robin was. Not to mention Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker & of-course there some of the good straight to dvd movies they had i enjoyed.

        Like you said they have their own Joss Whedon but won’t use them & it’s sad. Let’s not forget that Joss Whedon might of handed them a great WonderWoman script & they refused his script more than once. Their loss, obviously Marvel’s gain.

    • That is a dream I’ve been having for ages.

  4. If I see another movie with Lex Luther I am going to kill myself. Also, Superman is an alien from another planet. Enough with the son of God analogy (he was based on Moses, anyway). Just give us robots, rocket cars and giant talking gorillas, dammit. http://youtu.be/76Q6Cdqvnq8

  5. People sure do seem to like Bale as Batman. I’m not saying he’s the worst but his Bruce/Batman was a miss for me. Not to mention,for me anyway, he never fit the role visually. I say all that to say, I look forward to a new interpretation.

    • I totally agree. The movies were good, names, places and gadgets the same but it’s not THE Batman. I felt its more Jame Bond in a costume. I hope to see a more comic book interpretation of Batman.

    • @Rizzle I’ve always felt alone in those thoughts.Bale needs a throat lozenge.

      • I also agree, Bale’s Batman interpretation, the voice especially, is not optimal. I would be more than happy to see someone else take up the cape and cowl.

        • @ Evan

          Agreed.

      • @ KK223

        You’re not alone,trust me. Even Kevin Conroy voiced his opinion on Bale’s Batman voice. Imo, Kevin Conroy’s voice is the voice of Batman that i could imagine Batman speaking as in any comic. I agree with Rizzle & George’s comments. Bale’s performance isn’t the worst but is only good for Nolan’s take on film of the character. I couldn’t believe he used his Batman voice partly in Terminator Salvation even.

        • What I find annoying is that every non-comic book reading Batman fan I know who talks about Batman always uses that marble-garbling voice that Bale uses…
          i.e. Bale’s Batman voice has become the norm/a fad among some of the so called Batman “fans” (they think Batman is supposed to sound like that! :()
          I agree: Kevin Conroy is THE voice of Batman. No one has yet to do a better interpretation IMO.

          As for Bale himself: I think he’s a perfect Bruce Wayne and a terrific actor – just not a very good Batman if you know what I mean.

          • I agree Conroy had it down. His Bruce Wayne and Batman sounded different enoughto work, but you could still understand what Batman was saying.

  6. I read last year that Snyder said his take on Superman doesn’t fit in with a Justice League movie and it’s similar to what Nolan did with Batman. Has this changed?

    Here’s where I saw that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEgIONT2vo&feature=player_embedded

    • That could all change if MOS is as huge as we think its gonna be. Once he has his powers intact so too does the whole comicbook aspect of it stay.

  7. http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=61074

    So apparently Mark Millar has inside scoop on the script saying it’s mature and dark. No surprise since Gangster Squad looks the same, even more interested now.

    • I gotta say, dark and mature isn’t exactly what I was hoping for from a JL movie.
      Still, I’m taking Millar’s comment with a grain of salt (is that the expression?). In my “life experience”, when you hear someone say “I have a friend who is friends with _____ and he says ______”, you can usually be pretty sure that that “someone” doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about ;)

      • same with the grain of salt but again dark and mature could be a good thing. He also mentioned real world. First thing I thought of when hearing this is cities burning with dead ppl. Plus it would also mean they’re not copying Marvel.

        With comic-con right around the corner we’ll find out soon enough.

        • It can work. Or not. Just like Avengers could have worked or not. Anything can work. Or not work.

          • I suppose

          • Hahaha!
            You got a point there Nostelg-O ;)

      • @ The Avenger

        No Kidding. Why would i wanna see every other DC hero dramatically dark & mature as Nolan’s Batman & Snyder’s Superman? Ive heard people say how they thought Superman Returns was a soap opera to them. From what i know about MOS, things within the movie been doen already pretty much on Superman television shows. And Snyder wants to start by makin lookin like Batman Begins. If WB/DC were smart, they’d keep Nolan’s & Snyder’s films seperately from their planned DCMU.

  8. Batman vs. Superman! Didn’t we see a poster of this in I Am Legend….. Not going to happen but I can still dream on.

  9. Man this would be so awesome when it comes out

  10. I think a Trinity (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) movie should start the series, then move into a JLA movie where they introduce more characters. Unfortunately Whedon kinda ruined a Darkseid invasion storyline. The New 52 JLA storyline could easily be interchanged with the Avengers movie, minus S.H.I.E.L.D…alien invasion, orchestrated by Darkseid/Thanos, brings a group of hero’s together to save the world. WB/DC is going to have a tough time coming up with an original story line.

    • Yeah, the first arc of the new 52 Justice League was pretty much the avengers.

    • @George,

      Excellent point! Marvel getting the jump with Thanos pretty much eliminates Darkseid from being a JLA villain (too bad since Darkseid is great). The Avengers film would also appear to preclude the “Starro”-type alien invasion brings heroes together as occurred in the real JLA origin or the evil martians from the Justice League TV Show.

      I am curious who they could go with to threaten JLA. I would assume that Green Lantern being a heinous film destroys Parrallax as being the villain. Perhaps they jump right in with a Legion of Doom (that only seems likely if they do the solo films first though). Perhaps they go with Vandal Savage like the recent Doom animated film? Perhaps Brainiac can finally make his official movie appearance?

      • @Evan I thought LOD also, if done right, that could turn into a 3-4 hour movie. Audiences will sit thru a 3 hour movie, Lord of the Rings and King Kong are perfect examples. Those movies share something else in common besides run length, they are incredibly well done movies. So far only one character has taken on the DCU and defeated everyone, Doomsday…but Doomsday “smash” could get old, quick.

  11. Finaly getting Batman and Superman in the same movie….YAHOO. Wonder Woman finaly on the big screen….ALLRIGHT. Other favorite DC heros getting their due….YYEESSSS. It will only take 5 to 7 years for it all to happen………BOOOO

  12. After the discussion over on the Black Panther thread, I really think they should go the JLU animated series route and just kind of completely sidestep the whole Hal Jordan thing and go with a John Stewart incarnation of GL instead. That way they COULD finally cast either Idris Elba or Michael Jai White in the role.

    The only problem is the “New 52″ uses Hal (and also replaces the awesome MMM with an ultra lame Cyborg).

    • Why do people keep bringing up Michael Jai White, the guy is an awful actor.

      It’s like me saying I want to see Casper Van Dien as Flash…let’s be serious guys.

      • @Dante

        Michael Jai White was great in Spawn, Black Dynamite, and that Mortal Kombat viral video. Why do you think he is a bad actor?

  13. Story first, DC/WB. I don’t mean comic-book level story. I mean STORY story, and a good one, with that realistic, dark-ish, smart DC tone that I have always loved. There are several story-types, as in stories with similar but different arc-points, etc., and you ought to COMBINE THEM ALL. Combine them all, take advantage of EVERY point, make the story deep, complex, and yet, not convoluted. Thos who pay attention will get it, those who don’t are the reason why so many movies are horrendously dumbed down for people. Do not dumb it down, do not cater to people, write the best story you can possibly write. Don’t save a character just because people like him or her. That’s not good enough. Obviously, action is nice, but the action has to fit the story. No amount of CGI, awesome sets, awesome costume designs, etc., can make a story with an “eh” story an awesome movie. Presentation and execution are both equally important, but you need an awesome story to base it on. Please, keep the pacing comprehnsible, but somewhat fast. You want to jam-pack as much content in as possible without the story feeling rushed. Too many movies get going when it’s too late, or drag on for the first hour because it’s the “dumbing it down for the audience” portion of the movie. Ideally, I think each movie should be about 3 hours long; beginning, middle, end, credits, after-credits. Do not write a comic-book movie, or a super-hero type movie, or a movie with those stylings, write a cinematic masterpiece where it doesn’t occur to people these are comic-book movies. That has been the beauty of Nolan’s Batman movies; they feel real. Yes, it can be pulled off with Superman and other heroes with super-powers.

    Batman: I dread the idea of reboots. I’d like to see Chris Nolan’s Batman continue on, with Christian Bale dropping the husky-voice and taking on more of a Kevin Conroy attitude. Bale looks enough like Bruce Wayne, I just feel that if Bale speaks in a low and unmodulated voice that even on a stretch sounds like Kevin Conroy, even whne as Batman, people will respect this. This will indicate to us that Batman has matured and people take him seriously enough that he doesn’t need to be gruffy-voiced everytime he has the suit on. That’s what I love about the Kevin Conroy renderings of Batman.

    Green Lantern: not enough of a story. Slow pacing, odd presentation character wise in some parts (I don’t think anyone laughs like Lively does), too much comic book cheese that seemed intentional. Not bad enough that it doesn’t deserve a sequel (in other words, learn the lessons from the first GL and make an awesome second one that makes people forget the misses of the first GL), but enough that viewers thought the ball had been dropped. The CGI and all that was decent enough, I wouldn’t change too much in that aspect expect to increase the quality.

    Logos: I like Zack Snyder’s version of the Superman logo, but it’s still too much of a coincidence for me that Krypton has an Earth “S” for a letter. The same can be said for Superman looking 100% human, but I’m sure there are plausible explanations for all this, right? Batman has a new logo and it works. Wonder Woman’s logo is dated. Her Amazon heritage is not obvious enough, and that looks way too much like a W.

    Superman: From what I hear about Snyder’s approach, steps are being taken in the right direction.

    The Flash: Try not to make the mistakes of CSI and have technology that is either not plausible or non-existent; Flash is not Batman, so having the ability to create years-ahead technology is unlikely. Example: “Zoom in zoom in zoom in” when the resolution of an image is not high-enough. *REAL* CSI should watch Wally doing CSI work and feel it to be far more accurate than an episode of CSI.

    Lobo: Keeping in with that there being humanoid-aliens all over the universe has to be explained or addressed in some way, shape, or form, Lobo can’t just be a human-looking guy with gray skin, so adjust him accordingly but don’t change much else. Naturally, anything that makes him what it is, the testorone-bounty hunter attitude, etc., turn it up all up to 11 but still make him a character that can have a story. Also, it doesn’t make sense to me that a purposefully out-there character like Lobo often doesn’t have body hair. Really minor, but again, turn it up to 11.

    Wonder Woman: I have a long post I saved for this, so here goes…

    “*****ATTENTION, DC CREATORS! THIS CONCERNS THE TREATMENT OF WW IN A POSITIVE MANNER*****: That JL picture at the bottom where WW is holding her lasso is a step in the *right* direction, although it seems to get rid of the leg-hatchings that diversifies WW a bit :(. *****KEEP HER PANTS!***** This is coming from a *guy* who loves Wonder Woman! While some characters are more “exploitative” looking than other (Catwoman, Power Girl, etc.), this should not be the main point of them, even if that is part of there character. “Exploitative” isn’t WW, unless it’s played for humour in that she kicks whoever’s ass it is after…and obviously she can’t just be the stereotype of an angry man-hating lesbian Amazon, or the softened down as heck character she gets treated as sometimes. Wonder WOMAN. There has to be a balance without it being trite or cliche. I know this is comics we’re talking about here, but there’s a very good reason why I prefer DC and not the unnamed competitor; I believe that sometimes they ascend or come close to ascending the all-too-unfair notion that comics are an inferior form of literature and art.

    The *real* believable direction while keeping the basis of the characters is *awesome.* Improve the fundamentals, *remove the cheese*. MOVING ALONG:

    The way WW looks here, shown on some of the backgrounds on DC, as well, is *awesome*. This picture concerns Wonder Woman’s “action costume” as I’ll call it here, which I will talk about below:

    1) Concerning WW’s “action costume”

    http://cdn2.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dc-comics-the-new-52.jpg

    That design is close to perfect.
    -LEG HATCHINGS: KEEP THEM! Keep the leg-hatchings! They diversify the looks of WW.
    -WAIST: They should take on the molded eagle/sharp superhero look of some older WW renditions. That worked, and it soldifies her Amazonian heritage without being painfully obvious.
    -CHEST-PIECE: can be left pretty much the way it is, if not *exactly* the way it is. IF any changes were made, you would just have to make the middle-part of the chest-piece into a trangle intead of a side-trangle eagle-head; the difference is so miniscule it could probably be left alone. I almost lean in the direction of the idea that the waist need be the eagle-motif and the chest-piece need be the W-but-not-a-W motif, but it’s pretty pointless as it’s pretty much a W anyway and you don’t want it too obvious…even Superman’s really obvious “S” has always annoyed me. Think what you will of Zack Snyder, the *NEW* Superman S shape is *NOT* going to get much better…in fact, I’d wager any further shape-changes would be considered mucking about. Here is a picture of new S emblem:

    http://screenrant.com/galleries/superman-man-of-steel-pics/

    THIS IMAGE ONLY PERTAINS TO AN EXAMPLE OF A GOOD IMPROVEMENT IN RELEVANCE TO WW.

    Likewise about super-obviousness, the super-obvious WW “W” that is sometimes seen is just too much. I’d be happy if I never saw that silly “W” again and instead I always saw a “W” in the shape of the chest-piece seen in the WW picture I pointed out. If there were *ANY* additional changes I would make, it would be to make the “wings” of the chest-piece sharp-edge facing-down at the start of the rib-cage and curve like a stretched “C” on its back until they joined together at a sharp-edge on wonder Woman’s back somewhere between her shoulder blades or a little above the rib-cage level on her back.
    -BOOTS: My only real complaint about the boots is that they are a bit generic and plain…HOWEVER…I feel just about any change could break the look of WW. I usually tend to think “Who’s going to bother looking at their shoes?”
    -BRACERS: WW’s bracers are usually pretty plain, and considering how special they supposedly are, I’ve always had an issue with that. There are a few renditions to the exception. BELOW I show a picture that shows my idea of what are *close* to ideal BRACERS for WW. Keep in mind what I said about the silver metal colouring:

    http://marvelist.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/wonder_woman_new_costume_02.jpg

    PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IMAGE PERTAINS TO THE BRACERS.

    -ARM BAND: For some reason, it seems WW only has one of these. I’m a symmetry nut, but I suppose a little asymmetry is good for diversity. My REAL problem is that it is just too plain in the *1ST* WW picture. That is why I have provided this *3RD* WW picture, the WW rendition on the RIGHT HALF of the picture.

    http://blog.wryterra.com/wp-content/uploads/wonderwoman.png

    THIS arm band NEEDS to be thicker, but it otherwise close to ideal. If you *COMBINE* this with the arm band of the *1ST* WW picture, I think you have your ideal.

    -*****THE PROBLEM WITH NAUTICAL STARS/HEAD-CREST***** Aside from me not being a fan of nautical stars in general, for many people, including myself, they seem a very “AMERICAAA” motif. This is best left to the competitor’s super-soldier, who is basically a walking American flag anyway. This is something WW is not, something she should not be, and something it does not make any sense for her to be, even within the scope of the comics’ realm. If they have anything at all do with Themyscira, Amazon heritage, Greece, etc., then that is *TOTALLY lost on me*, and probably on many other people. If nothing else, they just *LOOK BAD* and look *REALLY CHEESY*. She’s not Booster Gold. Booster is *supposed* to be cheesy. WW should not have *ANY* stars on her at all, ever, *PERIOD.* If this is not possible, at least make the star really teeny-tiny and keep it just on the head-crest and *NOTHING* else. IF the star is ever going to be ANY larger than I have described, it needs to be redisigned as a different kind of star or even a whole new shape resembling a star, so it’s not a basic nautical star that feels too much like the template for an “AMERICAAA” figure, and even *THEN*, it needs to be low-key. I would make the star closer to a black colour, as well, just to add a little contrast. The ONLY exception is if you somewhat redesign the head-crest in a more diverse and sharp way that can showcase this shape without it being cheesy or superflous. LASTLY…no “hiding” stars either!

    -CHOKER: In the first WW picture I have provided, the picture is somewhat small and difficult to see, BUT, I have no real problems with *THIS* version of the choker. Keep it as is, unless you somehow tie-it-back to Hercules. I have no clue how. Probably one of those “don’t muck with it” situations.

    -GENERAL COLOURS/PATTERNS/ETC: The *RED* needs to be more like the *RED* in the *2ND* WW picture I have provided, more of a scarlet hue, maintaining a slight bit of its current vibrancy. Like I said, the star, if it’s kept or even changed, should be a bit darker red, and maybe do something about its sheen so that it is muted if sticking with the nautical star, or stands out if a crest-and-star redesign is decided on.
    The *SILVER* is getting there: The gold look *supposedly bronze, but I’m not buying it*, was just not working. For the bronze to work, it would have had to be really *bronze* looking to not be confused at all with gold. The bronze would have had to be much darker than it’s usually presented as..and yet I feel that would mute the wonder of WONDER woman. Silver is a step in the right direction post-Themyscira (or post armour-gain, take your pick), although a slight darkening of the silver wouldn’t hurt, so the distinction between steel and chrome are made…very minor distinctions, but all the same. Bronze as I have described it works better in the pre-armour gain/Themyscira setting.
    The colour for the PANTS and BOOTS are perfect in the *1ST* WW picture I have provided.
    The PATTERN for WW’s top in the *1ST* and *2ND* WW pictures, and ONLY the *RED* parts, should be *COMBINED* without *NO* other changes.

    -POSITIONING OF THE LASSO: The rendition of this in the *2ND* WW picture comes CLOSE to ideal, BUT needs to be at the top-middle-side of the waist, while keeping somewhat snug as in the *2ND* picture. A little looser than the *2ND* picture, and it just becomes an eye-sore.

    2)

    “Urban/Casual WW”
    For when she’s out and about, WW can have that leather jacket if she *really* wants, but we need to feel like she’s not being reduced to motorcycle girl. Make the jacket longer, don’t push it with the stars…it’s okay if it has a few because it’s a bit of a “leather jacket” motif that makes some sense, maybe make it a little more fashionable without it being “girly” or “high fashion.” This jacket, maybe even covering the majority of her costume, still needs to accentuate her features. Maybe for fun you can through in there some light fashion sunglasses, but I wouldn’t push it. If WW could pull off a stylish and tight-ish women’s leather jacket, I’d like to see that. Please note, however, I’m used to seeing WW as a business woman or in a dress in urban settings. As long as it’s not out of character or fits the situation (is taken shopping reluctantly), it works. Maybe the jacket can show hints of her chest piece and hints of the waist armour, but I feel it ought to be longer than that.

    3)

    “Themyscira/home WW”

    I don’t see the point of having more than 2 of these. One would be befitting of a traditional the Amazons with no real WW features. Another would be a little more personalized and have WW features. This is where the LEFT part of the picture I have shown comes in:

    http://blog.wryterra.com/wp-content/uploads/wonderwoman.png

    Like I said when I was talking about Ws, that W is ridiculous. Scrap that, probably stick the eagle-version I was talking about in its place or just leave it plain, with the considerations I said about two eagles, etc., still in place. The star is still annoying as heck. The bronze is actually closer to a bronze colour instead of gold, which is good. The bronze should be darker, however. The pants are a little too plain…perhaps a little closer to her “action costume” version would be better. She seems to have no real shoes or boots, maybe some type of high sandal would be nice if it could work, or leave that for the “war costume.” The anklet rings are a little silly, maybe have them closer to that in the picture with the leather jacket.

    4)

    Onto “War Costume”…one I would love to see.

    I’ve been keeping an eye on what people think of pants vs no pants, and this is my conclusion:

    People tend to want no pants just to oogle, most people prefer pants, and people actually prefer a war-skirt. I think this should be used on a seperate occasion, and that there should be two versions: Pre-becoming Wonder Woman and post-becoming Wonder Woman. Here is a picture.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eWAgNd_cltA/SjnGhbOHt4I/AAAAAAAAABs/5Rh48ThLfiw/s1600/WWArmour02.jpg

    Now, in concept alone, this is a good start. This concept needs to fit within everything I’ve talked about, first of all – colours are too bright, nautical star issue, etc. For this one, I’m thinking either a dark silver with black silver components, or a dark bronze with blackened bronze components…or…if possible…*sectional* mixes of both. If a use of both work…dark/blackish silver and dark/blackish bronze, that would be ideal. The “action costume” eagle chest-piece could keep the same type of design and extend down the middle — a reinterpetation. The pattern should be overlaid the “action costume”, minus the “action costume” pattern, while keeping the leather jacket picture overlay, yet again, combination. The waist should be the same as I’ve talked about for the “action costume”, and reach out more to the upper and lower parts of the costume, being elaborate and keeping in its design style. Can do without the earrings. Bracers need to reflect that of my suggestions about the leather pictures, and the arm brace need to go with the sharp version or combination I talked about. The head-crest should be the same as I’ve talked about for the “action costume”, and reach out more to the upper and lower parts of the head and face…maybe it could *almost* be like a helmet and hug the face and back of the head, or maybe just have something like that that attaches to the head-crest as the helmet in the picture is far too traditional, although the tuff can be kept in some way, shape, or form. The boots need to reflect that of the “action costume” more, unless my suggested changes are made to it. Still needs to have her choker. Metal/leather(?) straps look fine. The war-skirt needs to appear way more layered, the strips could appear segmented and be different lengths. The stars need to dissapear. Colours in general need to darken. For the purposes of the costume, pretend the weapons and weapon straps don’t exist. The gloves can remain leather but take one features that make them more consistent with the bracers; perhaps make them more like gauntlets with a padded leather palm or something, with the leather being a blackish or grayish colour, fingerless should have black fingernails if that’s the case. I’m not sure if the white cloth is supposed to be a cape or something, but keep it functional with subtle design motifs. Keep the lasso position as suggested. This is something I would see WW wearing is she’s not expecting to make it out of a final battle alive.
    5)

    -CHANGES CONCERNING WONDER WOMAN HERSELF: Greek heritage. Amazon. Wonder. Woman. When I think of these, I think of all the factors of an exotic, strong, powerful woman with hard-sharp striking features. *NOTHING* about Wonder Woman should appear soft, yet there is a tendency to do this to her. I prefer the renditions of her where she is *NOTICEABLY* taller and stronger – more muscle and definition do not hurt-, even in comparison to other superheroes. She should not *NEVERr* pale in comparison, even if standing next to Superman. This is an Amazon we’re talking about. She should almost be an Olympian body-builder, with the definition of an Olympic gymnast with 0% body-fat. Loosely speaking, Wonder Woman needs to seem likes a *GODDESS.* She should not *NEVER* pale in comparison, even if standing next to Superman. She almost almost have a cello body-shape, more specifically, at her waist/hips and around her rips; that minor change would make a huge difference. The ratio should be very close to a little too obvious. A way to avoid softening Wonder Woman up is to keep with the trend of sharpening, hardening, and edging her features, particularly her facial features, *AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE*, particularly her *JAW* and *CHIN*…the EXPRESSION in the *1st* picture is fine, even if it could be a little more intense, but the DESIGN is far, far, far too rounded. Wonder Woman is best when she has that *PROMINENT* chin that, if it were much were prominent, would probably be manly. That’s a good thing; Wonder Woman is so much WOMAN that she can take on MAN. That’s the Wonder Woman we want. She will kick your ass and look godly doing it, and in no soft way whatsoever. This sort of prominence also needs to be translated to her nose, which, in the tradition I’ve noticed of drawing females in comics, is small and downplayed; it looks about the same as every other female nose I’ve seen. WW needs to have a *STRONG, PROMINENT, HARD* appearing nose with a bit of a curve to it. She doesn’t need to be Pinocchio –please don’t!–, but her nose should be just as striking and promiment as her chin. They should both be pushed to the limit. Her eyes need to remind people of Greek Amazon heritage; she should have eyes that make people think. “How is it genetically possible she has eyes like that?”, like pictures of Eastern women with unbelievably green eyes. This is just an example of what the reaction should be. The shouldn’t be soft. They should should rip into you and intimidate you without having to even be angry. A plain blue isn’t going to do this. A stark aqua I think comes somewhat close. All the features of the eyes need to be *bold*, strong, sharp, and that contrast in all these features are key. Also, playing a little more to the Amazon-island idea, and to help give that “how are those eyes possible?” reaction, we have to face the fact that many times, WW just appears way too white. She needs to have the skin tone of a warrior-woman who spends a lot of time in the sun. Her skin should have that dark almost hardened glow some think of when they think of an Amazon. In fact, most DC characters do. There should be clear distinctions between each of them while they are all each their own characters; let Cyborg be Cyborg, don’t let people think he fits the stereotype of certain black characters, for example. WW’s hair can’t just be black with tinges of blue with it, because that’s so many DC characters summed up. She’s Greek. She’s an Amazon. She’s a warrior. So, I think, dark brown hair, almost black but noticeably not, a bit of that sexy in-the-sun Amazon singe and barely noticeably frizz…you’d have to look twice to notice the frizz, a bit of that natural waviness/curliness, that just-starting-to-dry-up-after-having-been-soaked look kind of hair. Her hair should also be down to her lower back if she’s not currently in “action costume.”, and around down a little past her shoulders when in “action costume” EXOTIC. Maybe in “action costume” it’s wavy, in urban/etc it’s straighter, and in a “war costume” or something, it’s a bit crazier and curlier. Here are some pictures to highlight of what I think is “halfway-there” with Wonder Woman:

    http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/wonder-woman-tv-series.jpg

    Pay particular attention to her *TAN*, jawline, and chin. Even sharper. Even stronger. Even bolder and edgier. Push it to the limit. Her lips are about the perfect colour, though they could seem slightly redder while being just as dark . I think maybe a dark red for her nails is good for “action costume”. Lighter nails when in an urban environment or something, darker when in “action costume” , none when at “home”, and pretty darn dark when in a “war costume.” Nails should be longer when in an urban environment, etc.

    Everything about WW’s actual physical features needs to *POP* and *STICK OUT* She needs to look vacuum-sucked tight at all times like she’s flexing and exerting great force, and an “in control” expression is better as opposed to a “calm” expression. Every tendon and fibre. Her cheeks sucked-in and almost non-existent, without looking like she’s had a tonne of work done. Her bones to add definition without *EVER* looking skinny, scrawny, or slim. She should be *more* than athletic, always.

    This picture very *looooooooosely* establishes what I mean. The limits have to be pushed as far as they can possibly go.

    http://www.comicvine.com/forums/rpg/9/the-justice-lords/29124/?page=28

    WW’s voice is a tough one. I think she needs something that makes her distinct from other Amazons while maintaining all that I’ve talked about. I imagine the Amazons ideally as warrior woman who scream and shout and debate passionately, but are just as passionate about peace. I imagine maybe some of them are a fan of arts, too, when they’re not training. *DEPTH. Broad DEPTH that says “Woman.”* Maybe most amazons sound “cold”, and WW is a little less “cold.” She shouldn’t sound like someone who smokes 10 packs a day, but she should not sound not sound at all girly or soft. I guess what I’m saying is her voice should be “warm” and it should “roll.” There shouldn’t be any sign of nasally-ness in her voice whatsoever.

    Attitude and personality: As I said at the start…obviously she can’t just be the stereotype of an angry man-hating lesbian Amazon…that’s just cheese and it’s poor writing if that ever does happen…, or the softened down as heck character she gets treated as sometimes…that just makes her a weak girl with powers. Wonder WOMAN. There has to be a balance without it being trite or cliche. She can smile. She can cry, if ever. She can love without being a highschooler about it, she can have moments of weakness here-and-there without all of them having to do with men, being catcalled, grabbed, etc. While there are things that will make her WW, she still needs to be diverse in her own right while making sense, unless it’s one of those rare occasions where the character is *supposed* to do something that doesn’t make sense :P.

    I feel DC is pretty good at substance over style, (the competitor is the opposite) but the substance has to be deep, and the style has to fit the substance, with things being pushed as far as possible without mucking it up.

    6) Closing.

    I wish I had artistic skills, but alas, I don’t. I like to take a look at what I see and figure out what works and what doesn’t.

    Anyway, that’s my ideal WW and her various costumes. The design with flaws have bugged me the most out of most any other DC character, besides Superman, who is getting a lot better. (I mentioned the now-fixed S from Zack Snyder’s movie.) The other main JL I’m not too worried about, except for Cyborg who looks way too “chrome-y”, and Green Lantern’s costume, which, thanks to the movie, I now expect to look more like a Power-of-Will symbiote flesh-type armour.

    Last, but not least, I don’t *ever* want to see WW in an “action costume” situation without pants.

    If I ever do see WW without pants, she best be in an urban environment (formal event/reluctantly shopping/reluctantly dancing/etc.), in typical Amazon gear (not WW version), or in her “I’m not going to survive this battle”/”war costume” warskirt. I loved the pants change, please keep it this way.

    I hope you also make these changes as I have suggested, and would love to see them enacted. Especially the nautical stars thing. Seriously. That needs to be fixed. WW is not an American flag.

    Thanks very much.”

    Other stuff in general: Also, contrary to popular belief about stories, people do NOT have to like a protagonist, they just have to be able to emphasize with them, or, find them interesting enough to watch. Also, the heroes being close to 100% good and the baddies being close to 100% bad is silly. The best characters have flaws, have problems, etc., good and bad. I’m not saying every chacter needs to have a crisis, but not every good guy should be all “Stop, evil-doer!” and not every bad guy should be all “Muahahahahahha”.

    LASTLY…I want BOTH Martian Manhunter AND Cyborg! Please and thank you! I have noticed in Justice League: Doom, Cyborg doesn’t really come off as a stereotypical black character. GOOD. There’s too many stereotypical black characters as it is, never mind in comics, and there’s not enough characters that seem “non-white”, especially not enough of them not being played to stereotypes. This is part of the reason why I want Wonder Woman darker.

    • Wow, huge endless wall of text I didn’t have time to completely read.

      I like the comicbook version of WW’s look but it just wouldn’t work in a serious JL movie along side the other members.

      If you want to know how the WW costume “should” look:

      http://www.scifiwright.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/wonder_woman_new.jpg

      I’m not saying this is perfect and could use a few tweaks (would still use boots) but it’s much more sensible and practice (halter top to keep things in place when kicking butt ftw!) than what they tried in the failed WW TV show. Even the model is a pretty damn good match imho.

    • “…and obviously [Wonder Woman] can’t just be the stereotype of an angry man-hating lesbian Amazon,” laugh out loud! I had to stop reading your post, I can’t stop grinning.

    • Well that was informative. Don’t ever let it be said you don’t know what you want.

  14. DC shouldn’t try to build a shared universe just because Marvel did it. I think they should concentrate on making better solo movies instead. That will give them flexibility w.r.t. the story, style and timing of each movie (something that Marvel could’ve used). Also, Batman and Superman each have more star-power than all the Avengers put together. They can pull off an Avengers-scale epic all by themselves. Batman will probably do just that for the second time next month. :D

    • Yes, and I think the shared universe with the Avengers made me dislike Iron Man 2.

      I think the best way is to let them have a team up like World’s Finest and have stand alone stories that won’t need them to have their origins explained.

      • But Iron Man 2 had way more to dislike than its’ Avengers links.

        I chose the lack of a coherent or engaging story as my reason to dislike it.

  15. They really should start the JLU project with the Trinity, then have them take on Darkseid or Brainiac for the JLU movie. They should include Aquaman, the JL cartoon version.

    It would be cool if Superman would be the one to recruit the members, or Batman.

  16. I say they should begin the “shared movie universe” scheme with next years Superman movie, because it won’t be happening in TDKR.

  17. I nominate Lynn Collins. She looked awesome in ‘John Carter’.

  18. Ideally, the best way for them to this is to copy Marvel. Start building it up now, and have a JL movie within 4-5 of the release of Man of Steel, just like Avengers came out 4 years after Iron Man. So:

    2013 – Kicked off with Man of Steel – possible scene at end tying in other characters
    2014 – Wonder Woman, Green Lantern 2 (reboot-sequel kinda like GI Joe 2 is supposed to be. Keep Reynolds)
    2015 – Flash, Man of Steel 2
    2016 – Aquaman (or maybe Martian Manhunter/Cyborg, whatever they decide), Batman – (I think they should NOT reboot Batman, as that would be a disservice to what Chris Nolan has done and general audiences don’t wanna see Batman’s origin again. Rather, they should continue with the same Bruce Wayne, just with a different director and actor, just like Batman Forever did.)
    2017 – JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!

    Chris Nolan should be a producer on every single one of these movies, and Zack Snyder, too, and try to have similar tones throughout these movies that can work well together in a teamup.

    The only problem is the fact that we wouldn’t be getting Justice League until 5 summers from now. And that is the best case scenario, assuming that all of these projects can be made so quickly after one another and no problems will arise. Even though this would probably lead to the best possible quality Justice League movie, I seriously doubt WB would go for that, seeing that they want to get in on the superhero-teamup money NOW. And for good reason. The hype is at an all time high, and for all we know, everyone could be tired of it in 5 years. So, several movies leading up into a JL movie would work well ideally, but I feel like it would take too long.

    (Sidenote: to all those who say that DC shouldn’t be trying to copy Marvel but do something completely different, I honestly don’t think the WB executives care whether they’re copying Marvel. They just care whether the fans will care enough to not see the movie. And if DC does follow in the footsteps of Marvel, they can still do it with a different, darker tone.)

    So, maybe, as some people here posted, they should just release a Justice League movie with little to no movies leading up into it. This might work, seeing that the DC superheros are more well-known than their Marvel counterparts, so they might not necessarily need the backstory that Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap needed. But even so, the movie will need to bring some backstory for each character, and if you introduce 5-7 new characters in one movie, it could get very busy and jumbled and then just turn out to be a big mess.

    So, I think I’ve done a pretty good job of stating the issue at hand, and in conclusion: I HAVE NO SOLUTION!! All I know is that I’m very happy that I’m not a WB executive right now. They have a lot of tough decisions to make now, namely, whether to release a Justice League movie now, and risk it being confusing/bad/rushed, OR build it up slowly, but risk the hype dying down. There’s billions of dollars on the line. Oh, and the hearts and souls of fanboys everywhere. Don’t screw it up, Warners!

  19. Well I still think introducing characters in their separate movies first is the right way to go. I understand that this could take time – possibly 5-7 years, but the Justice League film should be just as big an event as the Avengers and deserves a big anticipation and build up. It would also make sense financially.

    I commend Nolan for wanting to keep his Batman creation standalone, but when considering how many will turnout for TDKR – even a slight hint towards the Justice League would just help to get the ball rolling. Maybe , if Bale’s Batman does die at the end – they will announce a new Batman ready for the reboot.

    And speaking of reboots – Lethal Weapon?? please say it isn’t so.

  20. I really don’t care what they do with the other movies, but Batman is their big draw. Next time he should be in a movie is when they put out this JL movie. That alone with get people back (only if it’s Bale though.)

  21. Imo i wouldn’t flat out release a Justice League film. We know it will have to be a long movie with a great story, each character gets their share of screen time,etc. I thought it was wise on Marvel’s part to do solo films first before bringing the heroes together instead of the otherway around. I believe DC should be wise to do the same but they could do it alittle different. They could use World’s Finest as a example bring Batman/Superman into the first movie to get things started. They been who they are for years already so no origin telling. They cross paths & of-course don’t eye to eye on each other’s methods with upholding justice. But when learn they need to work together as one of each of their villains are doin if they’re gonna bring them down. Of-course at the end i would suggest Superman(Clark) be the one to suggest to Bruce(Batman) if theres others like them, they’d made a pretty a good team like the two them did. Of-course have Bruce say somthing like, Maybe. Then they can get into The Flash, Wonderwoman,Green Lantern(John Stewart) which i prefer, Hawkman, Aquaman solo films. But maybe have Superman make a cameo but not ask about starting up a team but kinda let on theres other heroes out there sorta thing. Bruce Wayne maybe appear as himself to someone like Carter Hall in a museum. But another good idea would be Martian Manhunter in disguise watchin over everyone.

    One thing i disagree on is Chris Nolan or Zack Snyder’s being involved. Afterall they wanted their franchises to be standalone ones. I have to say with Nolan’s style of his Batman films, there’s limitations that wouldn’t be right in DCMU. Because this isn’t just about Batman & Superman, we’re talkin about other heroes & who knows how big WB/DC wants to expand their universe. Alot of heroes don’t have a great rogues gallery as great as Batman or Superman’s. People need to keep that in mind.

  22. I think in the credits of MOS Bale as Batman should make an appearance. Like Bat figures out who Superman is and confronts him about his identity, and something else, like a threat. That would be so epic I would prob jizz right in the theater.

  23. Here is the line-up I would want to see:

    2013 – Man of Steel
    2014 – Wonder Woman, Flash
    2015 – Green Lantern, Aquaman
    2016 – Batman
    2017 – JLA
    2018 – Green Lantern/Flash Team up, Wonder Woman 2
    2019 – Batman/Superman Team up, Aquaman 2
    2020 – JLA 2

    I would love to see the Tower of Babel story line in live action, but that would probably be better for the second JLA movie, once the characters have more of a history, and the betrayal is more PERSONAL.

    Team up movies a MUST. And with most characters getting their own film, you could use the JLA film to introduce MMM, or Cyborg if you wanted to.

    I wouldn’t mind keeping Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan, but could also see Ryan Gosling (as either Hal or Flash really). Or perhaps Reynolds as GL and Gosling as Flash… that would be pretty sweet. Keep Cavill as Superman. Christina Hendricks as Wonder Woman. No idea about batman or Aquaman.

    Obviously the dream would be to have Nolan mastermind the whole thing, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. But I do think consistency is important. Someone needs to be involved across the board, making sure that the level of each film is on par, and that the story lines mesh appropriately without feeling forced (like IM2).

    Anyway, I hope this happens the right way, but after GL my faith in WB/DC is shaken. I hope I’m wrong and that this is awesome.

    • Flash doesn’t need his own movie nor dos AQ Team them up instead.

  24. I don’t want to see a FLASH movie. He should be saved for JLA Then Assassinated within the first ten minutes.

  25. DC is late to the game again (as always?). I am really puzzled by this announcement as, unlike Marvel, they don’t yet have any films to really lead in to JLA (they pretty much have to reboot Green Lantern, and it seems apparent that the Nolan Batman wouldn’t link to JLA without at least one bridge film). I agree you don’t need to solo every character, but you at least need an Iron Man that sets up the universe. I also can’t see how letting the guy who contributed to one of the worst super hero films of all time (Green Lantern) take the reins of another major property (Wonder Woman) is a good idea at all.

  26. I had a much more involved comment which managed to run away into the ether…sigh, sometimes, I really despise technology.

    Anyway…my point was that DC could easily do the slow buildup and still be successful in the coming years with a JLA film…If they are CAREFUL.

    They, however, might consider jumping into to JLA sooner than later BUT starting the film with a ten to twelve minute epic-inspired narrated prologue with the briefest, effectively choreographed introductory flashes of origin for each of the MAJOR heroes (momentary/overlapping for Batman and Superman…longer for WW, Flash, GL, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter/Cyborg, depending on the members present)…ten to twelve minutes TOTAL, fading into the start of the film.

    MOS looks like it could be great, and TA’s extreme success has hopefully greatly reduced the WB higher-ups’ longstanding squeamishness, so I feel confident in the possibilities and am excited by this news… :)

    • I agree if they do just dive into a JL movie it can’t be completely cold. They will have to spend at least a few minutes introducing the lead characters and their origins. This could be handled any number of ways but it needs to be done right, like the entire movie. DC/WB can’t afford to gamble on anything.

    • Yea Im already envisioning a 3 hr epic. No need for the same kind of lead in’s Marvel did maybe a little hint about other heroes at the end of the new DC movies and then let the JL movie bring them together. Once there is enough character development it will work.

    • Hmm, interesting. That might work.

  27. If Bale isn’t Batman I’ll pass

  28. Actually, the perfect villain for this would be Doomsday!

  29. I would be thrilled if Bale wasn’t batman, Since Batman Begins I have NOT liked his Batman voice. AND HE’S STILL DOING IT IN DARK KNIGHT RISES!!! Would someone please get that guy a cough drop!! So, I would welcome a different actor for Batman. Totally!!

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