Johnny Depp As The Riddler In The Dark Knight Sequel?

Hm...interesting parallel, Ryan! :)

Did anyone else see a connection between the Riddler and Stan Lee in Batman Forever? Let's look at it: E.Nigma works for a Wayne Enterprises, presents some intriguing ideas to the company, gets rejected and goes off to create his own company where he puts those ideas to reality, and his company ends up being rumored to out-perform Wayne Enterprises. Meanwhile, back in the real world, Stan Lee worked for DC Comics, presented some creative ideas for new comic books, these get rejected and he goes off to create his own comic book company (Marvel) where he brings these comic book ideas into reality, and Marvel has arguably out-performed DC ever since! It's no wonder that DC decided to cast Jim Carrey for the part, they wanted to make their version of Stan Lee appear as crazy as possible!

Jim Carrey wasn't the original Riddler; he was just the most recent one.

Because Jim Carrey was horrible in the Batman Forever and that would be in most peoples minds if they saw him in the next film. He was horrible and really isn't that dramatic or serious Carrey Does Cheap laughs real well like Holding up sex toys or making odd noises or fart jokes. His best films are long gone and he hasn't had a good one in a long time.

In my personal opinion, if they bring in The Riddler why not have the orginial Riddler play him? Why not have Jim Carrey be The Riddler if he is brought into the next film?

Firefly or Killer Moth as the bad guys. Batman will kick some bug butt!

uhhh... sorry to disappoint you 790, but why would Stan Lee have any input into the next Batman series?? He's with Marvel and Batman is from the DC camp.

When does it start getting filmed???

JUST JOHNY!!! DONT DIE PLEASE!!!!! <3 <3 :'(

Ever read the long halloween?

no there is a story that should be a movie. and it would fit in with the redemption story they sent up at the end of TDK.

Plus, you get all the good villains! including mad hatter, and cat woman can come back (cringe) because she has a minor is she helping or hurting role.

But yeah...Long halloween. do that story :)

Oh dear god please let this be a wind up. Johnny Depp can't act for gods sake don't let him in. He completely rapes roles x_x I was a big fan of Batman up until now simply because of the latest films. Don't kill that for me please >..> classic catwoman.

Okay, I have officially lost my USB. So I will start from scratch with the script. I will make a different plot based on Black Mask. Black Mask will be the main villian and Clock King will be the supporting villian.

The plot will start out like such: Black Mask will set out on a killing spree on Gotham to kill all the rich upper class people of Gotham . This will reduce Gotham's economic value and plunge Gotham into recession. Then from this point Bruce Wayne becomes a target. Deadshot will play a cameo role sort of thing and Clock king will carry out the killing spree along side Black Mask. Now when Gotham's economic value falls, all mob gangs will look to take over Gotham's underworld and Black Mask's purpose is to be the ruler of Gotham's underworld , but faces competition from Sal Falcone. Thus a mob war will also loom at the same time. Black Mask will be simply put-ruthless, strategic and crafty.
This plot is not based of a comic , but my own story since we are under recession and all the hard times . Just thought that would add some realism to the script.

And Clock King will have a real, gritty take on him. He will not be the one from the comics, but based slightly on personality , from the comics.

Johnny Depp has to pull of an incredible acting performance to be not made fun of.
That was a good rumour by the way.

Give Johnny a break. The only reason I wouldn't want him in the next Batman movie is so that his few acne-faced boycotters don't have any more reasons to insult him.

Oops! That should have said "My" not "I'm." Sorry! :(

I hope you find your USB, Fred! I'm interest is piqued!

There will be no Hush because I realized that would make no sense a few weeks back.
The script will have a delay because I lost my USB - yeah, I am not the most organised guy. The title will be - Wolrd's Greatest Detective. I will be using a cameo of the Clock King - do not worry, it will be brief and advance the plot as Clock King is an explosives expert and knows how to get around security systems.

How can you do Hush without a dead Robin? That would just be stupid.

Interesting concepts...I look forward to reading the polished product!

@michael
I know you think that Deadshot cannot be used because he was captured in Gotham Knight, but one of the main reasons that I used this idea of Black Mask secretly owning Arkham Asylum is because it would actually allow mw to bring Deadshot back. Heres how: doing flashbacks as to how Deadshot moved to Arkham from jail since the comice books state that Deadshot is suicidal and was committing attempted suicides. Thus Gordon decides to move him to Arkham Asylum . Now since Black Mask owns Arkham, He can actually give Deashot a job of being his personal assasin and pay Deadshot plenty of money.KGbeast is kind of a metahuman who likes to uses a large gun on his left arm and Deathstroke fels like a deadpool rip of-another metahuman. And Nolan has a realistic take. And Deadshot actually uses snipers and assualt rifles and Balck Mask uses explosives. So it makes for a nice action pack mix as well. My version of Black Mask will get burnt by Sal Falcone, but indirectly. I will use a flash back to show Sal's men , who burn the house down of a client who did not pay up. Now Roman was also interrogating this same client because the client hide will not tell Roman who liquidated Roman's shares of 700 million dollars( because the Client does not know). This is where he gets his face burnt and gets a hugh scar across his face with a red-hot knife.
But I'll most likely go with you're awesome idea of-"Roman Sionis who owes him money but cant pay because he drove his company into the ground due to his inabilty to compete with Wayne enterprises. Sal takes romans head and sticks into a creamation chamber in which romans grandmother is being cremated. the ashes and bones then morph to his face and causing mental trauma which creates Black Mask.", if you are okay with me using it that is.

What do you think?

I like it and i am sure you are going to have a sal vs roman type thing and i think you could have flash backs to how black mask came to be. I want to know which assassin you will be using because i just watched "Gotham Knight" which is like Batman Begins 1.5 and Deadshot and Killer Croc are in there so you should restrain from using those two villains. So youre assassin choices are Bane, KGBeast, Deathstroke, and people like that. I think the fashion in which you had Roman look was very true to the character and thank you for not using Penguin, he is probably the worst batman villain.

@michael
All I can say is excellent. I could not think of a better way to use Bane. However, Nolan's Batman was stated to commit to Batman as an ideal, was made to never date or commit to one woman. Bruce's commitment was what his parents wanted to do for the city, thus Batman will only cease to exist when Bruce has stood up for everything his parents wanted for Gotham, so I do not know about Bruce dating Vicki though. Awesome story though, most realistic take on Bane ever. I like it a lot.

This is my outline for the first twenty five minutes of the script. I am still fiddling around with it though since the first 20-30 minutes usually dictated the tone and style of the movie.

So here goes:

It is morning time, in an abandoned warehouse, Black mask is interrogating Marcus Celios, one of the main Henchmen for Sal Falcone by placing a knife into hot pokers and making slow slashes into Marcus' skin. This is regarding the issue as to where Sal has transported Scarecrow's remaining fear toxin , as Roman wants to use it on all the Arkham inmated to rule over them since he secretely owns Arkhum Asylum and has a secret penthouse there and makes all his comands from there to carry out his crimes. Finally after four and a half hours of torturing, he pulls out a silencer gun and shoots him in the back of the head. It is night time, and Bruce Wayne is sitting in Cobblepot Luxury Dining with three high profile ladies , The waiter then serves one of the Ladies a seafood meal that is stale, thus Bruce Wayne deamnds to speak with the owner , Mr. Cobblepot, threatens to sue, then Cobblepot says that he is sorry, and Bruce Wayne subdues him into selling the restaurant for a reasonable price of 80 mil. Bruce Wayne then gets a call from Fox , says that Alfred has been mysteroiusly stabbed and is in hospital, Bruce Wayne has a heart to heart talk with Alfred in private when the doctors leave , the doctors come in the room and then say that Alfrd will take a month to recover due to Alfred's age.

Well that is the first twenty-five minutes . Now Penguin will not be a villian even though Bruce Wayne brought his restaurant. I just put that scence in there because I wanted to refresh the audience of what the Bruce Wayne is like with other people and then I cut to the talk with Bruce and Alfred because I wanted to show the audience what Bruce Wayne is really like, and you only see what Bruce wayne is really like when he is talking with Alfred. Now Zsaaz is also not included even though Alfred is mysteroiusly stabbed. I just wanted to show the audience to true Bruce Wayne. And the interrogation scence would have set the tone of the movie and shown what Black Mask is really like.

So let me know what you think and if you are fine with me puting this into a script, as the start of the script is something you want to get right.

this is the story outline i just thought of.

The movie starts in Santa Prisca with the growing up of bane including his schooling being taught by a jesuit preist and other inmates teaching him fighting techniques including jui jitsu, street fighting, kick boxing, and the brazilian martial art that i cannoyt think of. As he progresses in his age he creates a unique fighting style composed of all the fighting styles he learned in jail. he also teaches himself a wide variety of sciences which by the time of his escape he is as knolegable of them as the leading people in each field. he also learns multiple languages including english(spanish is his natural tounge). He soon becomes the "alpha male" which the prison guards notice and test a drug that has killed all other patiences on him. he barely survives but after he recovers he relizes he is severley addicted. while raging on this drug him and his freinds, bird, zombie, and trogg escape him being the only one to survive. he breaks into a missionary hospital kills every one and performs surgery on himself and puts an iv pouch on his chest covers it with steel and connets it with tubes and needles to his brain. he puts a button on the steel casing giving himself a dose once every week. he then becomes an assassin thru out ssouth and central america.

the scene is then put in gotham where sal falcone is head of the falcone family and is much like the nephew in Godfather 3, fearless, merciless, dealing everything possible and the city is becoming as corrupt more and more evryday. he then puts his sight on Roman Sionis who owes him money but cant pay because he drove his company into the ground due to his inabilty to compete with Wayne enterprises. Sal takes romans head and sticks into a creamation chamber in which romans grandmother is being cremated. the ashes and bones then morph to his face and causing mental trauma which creates Black Mask. He then goes on a crusade to take over the mob and over the next thirty minutes he does while bats is only helping by puting falcones thugs into jail. By the end of the thirty mintes Roman kills Sal out of revenge and then looks to hire an assassin to kill bruce wayne.

Then bruce goes on a date with vicki vale while the place is being robbed by romans men and batman must leave to only come back as batman to fight crime. being the good reporter she is Vicki puts 2 and 2 together and after some research finds that Bruce Wayne is in fact Batman.

As roman is looking for an assassin he goes thru such names as KGBeast and Deadshot but finds what he is looking for in a central american assassin named bane. he contacts him and gives him 2 mil to kill bruce wayne after a failed attempt bane figures out in a couple of days who batman is.

Batman finds Vicki calling him "Bats" and Bane attacking him on both fronts relizes his secret is becoming less of a secret and begins to become more and more inconspicuous until he eventually stops talking as batman unless it is with C. Gordon. He then asks vicki not to tell and gets in the back breaking fight with Bane. In the short run, he has to use a gadget that stops his heart for 30 seconds in order to keep his face on. after bane leaves bats is jolted back to life and crawls in his new batmoble(a thin fast car to contrast with his last big strong car) and zooms to the bat cave where he recovers and alfred comments that his back was nearly broken. With batman out of commision crime swells up and the new mob boss is the worst in years never hesitating to kill.

After batman recovers he finds that black mask kills vivki vale because she got in his way and as he goes to fight roman he runs into bane the third time but is merciless in the fight throwing bomb batarngs at the toxin after which bane goes into a coma caused by lack of "venom". batman then confronts black mask who is then put into arkham and the movie wraps up and ends.

that was only a rough outline and tell me if you like it, especialy fred since your writing a script.

I agree, Rob! He was great in that...a joy to watch even if he was extremely gross!

Depp should be the riddlerjust watch him in Once Upon a Time in Mexico
i have had this weird idea of Benicio Del toro as one of the villans he was great in Sin City

I look forward to reading each installment of your script, Fred!

if you look at the BB game, the usable batsuits are as follows: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Worlds Greatest Detective, The Caped Crusader. Doesnt it seem then that the next title would be The Worlds Greatest Detective. In that case it would lead to a villain fit for a detective so a smart villain (riddler, bane, clue master) so fred, maybe you could base your mock script off of bane as in deadshots role assassin. And like the first and second one have the villains be core opposites of Bruces ideals BB:Life(Batman) v Death(Ra's al Gaul) TDK:Order(Batman) v Chaos(Joker) TWGD:Genius(Batman) v Insanity(Black Mask). Thats my two cents. and with your script create a title for the movie

Batman Villains that could be used in Batman 3:

Rupert Thorne
Deadshot
Azrael
The Mad Hatter
Killer Croc
Bane

Ok, I am going for it. I will not change to anything. I will have the first twenty minutes of the fun script by next week.I will be posting this script part by part instead of one whole long script so it keeps things interesting. I may sneek in a cameo from another DC superhero just to set up the justice league. Do not worry, it will not be an awkward one. Just a clue in . I will only use the appearence of the superhero's alter-ego. It will be way at the end if I decide to do it.

Here is the structure:
Main villian: Black Mask
Side villian: Deadshot
Main mobster: Sal Falcone(the son of Carmine Falcone-from Batman Begins)
Main Themes:insecurity, identity, friendship, the mask of Batman. I may delete or/and add some more themes.

That is a really good idea Fred, I like that one better then the Zsaaz idea! This will be the first time that Bruce Wayne will be a target instead of Batman, It could throw him a bit. Stick with that one!

I think you should go for it, Fred! The idea is intriguing and if developed correctly should be a good read! :)