(My dear readers, you have permission to treat this rumor as hostile.)
Not two days after wild rumors started circulating that Angelina Jolie was looking to play Catwoman in Christopher Nolan’s third chapter of the Batman Begins series, comes an even wilder rumor from out of the UK that Warner Bros. execs have begun eying top-notch actors Johny Depp and Oscar-winner Philip Seymour Hoffman for the roles of The Riddler and The Penguin in the next Bat-flick
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DON’T DRINK THE KOOL-AID JUST YET. For every new rumor of which villains will be featured in the next Batman film, comes another statement from Dark Knight scribes Jonathan Nolan and David S. Goyer, saying that they are trying NOT to take the obvious route of throwing the second-most iconic villains from Batman’s rogue gallery into the next film. However, as Spider-Man 3 taught us all, when a franchise reaches a certain $tature, the studio’s wishes quickly begin to trump any creative desires. Don’t be surprised to see The Riddler, The Penguin, or both, show up in the final draft of the script.
However, we won’t really know anything until a script for BB3 is actually done. But that hasn’t stopped fan debates from raging 24/7. Personally, I don’t think Goyer and Nolan should be working too hard to try to pull out obscure villains and/or plotlines for the next installment. If Heath Ledger’s performance in The Dark Knight taught us anything, it’s that an actor at the top of his or her game is able to take what is iconic and totally redefine it. (And fanboys, really, is that not the essence of all the best comic books: re-definition of the status quo?)
Which villains do you think should make into BB3?
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I’m with you on the action. Some of my least fave parts of BB and TDK were the actions scenes. Especially the car chases.
I think Deadshot is a good option he is certainly up there with Bain and Black Mask. Bain is my first choice though followed closly by Black mask.
I love deadshot he was one of my favorites he would be good for the part and like Jay P was saying it would just be Batman and Deadshot. No mob and no interference, just Deadshot tearing up Gothom and good old batman trying to stop him it would be perfect.
I’m ok with Dead shot, but one problem for me is that the DVD anime Gotham Knights was suppose to essentially be Batman Begins 1.5. One of the major villains was Dead Shot. So he sort of already has been done. They could get around that, but why when there are plenty of bad guys already out there and ready to go. I think Bain deserves Justice after Batman and Robin. I am also a fan of the two villain story so I would love to see Black Mask in it.
The Riddler, but NOT johnny depp.
Clayface, anyone?
@ Jess, Jay P, Daniel F-Each of you says that (essentially) violence thrown in for the sake of violence/to up the mindlessness factor to that of a bad WCW videogame works against the plot instead of advancing it; in this, I cannot agree more strenuously…likewise, The CLOCK King?
BWAAAAAAAH-hahahahahahaha!
Like I said before I’d rather not have the riddler, but it wouldn’t ruin the film if he was in it. Depp however that’s another story. I don’t know if I could even give the movie my money to watch him.
I love Clayface, but i’m not sure how well he would work in Nolan’s world. If Nolan would have to completely change a character to fit them in I’d rather not see them.
Would would you think if they limited what they showed Clayface do with his power through most of the movie. He either looks away or the camera focuses on a distraction and then a face change occurs. Perhaps they show some of it in shadow on a wall. Then the last minutes of the show, you pull out all the stops! He’s a horrific monster. Set up some creepy music in the first transformation then have that follow him around. Even though you rarely see him transform that way you know his character is in the scene.
If Deadshot is used, then he should be some hitman hired by Black Mask to do Black Masks’ dirty work. BAtman should then seek out Deadshot to find out who he is working for, then try to take down Black Mask. Could work because Deadshot will kill batman without hesitation while batman cannot break his own code. Then what happens when Black Mask tells Deadshot that his next target is Bruce Wayne? I would be nice to see how Bruce Wayne deals without being batman when he is getting killed, because remember-Black Mask has grudge against Bruce Wayne, and Bruce Wayne has the highest chance of survival as being Batman against Deadshot. At the same time, Bruce can be hesitant to be batman because he risks getting caught by the police as batman. So the next Movie should not be so much about mental strenght, but about how Bruce Wayne is torn between staying as Bruce Wayne, or batman. Battle of the alter-egos. This also seems relevant as this nicely carries from the main theme of The Dark Knight-is Bruce Wayne the mask of Batman, or vice-versa?
What do you think?
Nolan can focus on the internal struggle of the alter-egos between Batman and Bruce Wayne as well as the unique battle with Batman and Deadshot. Deadshot will kill Batman while Batman cannot kill Deadshot. A nice change of pace compared to the battle of Batman and the Joker-neither could kill each other.
Oh, and Black Mask can be pulling the strings from behind, putting people under ransom or getting even with business excutives or robbing banks. Nolan can pretty much make Black do what ever he wants as he is the threat lurking in the background.
Has anybody thought of a title?
in the BB game you get alternate batsuits right, the three alternate ones were in this order:Dark Knight, Worlds Greatest Detective, Caped Crusader.
Someone said that in Gotham Knights they already used deadshot, why not use KGBeast or Deathstroke then.
Because most people don’t care about them and they aren’t all that intriguing as villains. Especially KGbeast.
Nolan is probally going to use a less known villan for his next film but I dont know about KGBeast or Deathstroke. Daniel has got a point. Their not well knowen charcters but I think they are so unkown people wont even know who they are (unless you read the comics of course). Nolan likes using villans that push Batmans limits, whether it be physically or mentally. He is also going to want a villan with a backround story that isnt going to put us to sleep.
To make it even worse even some comic book readers wouldn’t know who they were depending on when they read the comics. These guys are not used much in the comics and tend to only come around every few years. Especially KG.
For this reason, I feel that Nolan should make an origin film about the main villian in Batman 3 before making Batman 3. This should be done if Nolan decided to go for the lesser known villian such as Black Mask or Deadshot. It will help the mainstream audience as well as the comic book fans fimiliarise themselves with the villian , especially Nolan’s tone and take on the villian. Nolan has to market the film properly as well to make sure that people know more about the villian and nolan’s take on the villian rather than wanting to watch the film-such as put up an autobiography. Nolan should go fo a low-budget take on this-he is creative to make it work . The film can even be a direct-to-video film, but the word has to spread, so release in the cinemas is need.
…a whole separate movie to explain the origin of the villain? What, a gradual 30 minute sequence won’t cut it? I don’t think so.
I think you’re seriously underestimating the “mainstream” audience. Wikipedia and Google is all that you need to become a short-term “expert” on all things Batman related. Let’s not act patronizing and paternal.
As for pushing Batman’s mental limits… what–you didn’t think Joker corrupting Harvey, causing the demise of Rachel, wreaking havoc on gotham, and testing Batman’s moral code wasn’t pushing it mentally enough…LOL!
And, again Zsasz was just window-dressing. Not really a stand alone character. I expect mid-to high level villains. Bane, Blackmask, or Riddler.
Why dont they use a non insane villain to break Bruces limits like, some one from blackgate…lol.
but sang, zsasz is a mid-high level villain.
if firefly was done really well he could be an amzing villain…but thats a stretch
what about Mr Freeze, one of the most sad, complex, characters who does everything out of pure hope and love for his wife. Sir Ben Kingsly anyone.
Zsasz is not even close to a mid to high lvl villain. Zsasz is pretty far down on the list of Bats villains.
It doesn’t matter how high or low a villain is. What matters is whether or not their story can be involved with what is going on in Gotham. A lot of people who have not read the comics didn’t know about Scarecrow or Raz al Ghul, but now everyone knows them because of what Nolan did to them.
Plus, Nolan likes making the films consist of two villains, not two villains that work together to beat the Bat, but two villains that have a different status and purpose. True Zsasz couldn’t hold a movie up by himself, but he is most certainly a good enough story to incorperate into the third movie along with an other villain.
What about Hugo Strange, hes could be a cool villain if done right, and could lead to the creation of the Venom Drug which leads to bane.
You have all input some interesting comments and scenarios! I think the main villian in Batman3 will be Catwoman (I hope they get someone other than Jolie to play her though) just because of the comment made to Bruce Wayne by Lucius Fox in The Dark Knight when asked if the new suit would withstand dogs. Lucius says, “It should do fine against cats.” Hm…I wonder!
It dosent mean that Catwoman is going to in the next film. I think it was just meant to be a joke or at least that is what im hopeing.
@Sang
I get your point, just that, if Nolan makes just a 30 min sequence of the origin of the villian, it may not give him enough time to explore the magnitude of the situation that brought about the villian’s change and motivation . It may not give give him time to explore the phases of the villian’s mental state through his change of resorting to crime. Plus , he has to make the goals of the villian realistic.It’s not Spider-man where you need little focus on the villian’s change-LOL- spider-man is a kid’s movie that adults can watch. Batman, is an adults movie, so Nolan will apply more complexity to his main villian for Batman 3- that is if he signs on to do the next film -LOL. By the way, I know plenty of people that were going to watch The Dark Knight for the first time, and knew nothing about who the Joker is , see not everyone looks up wikipedia or reads comic books, some people just want to watch a great film. That is also why directors of Watchman put up a biography of each character, to market it properly. Making an origin film can be excellent marketing , if Nolan does a great origin film that is.
Begins and TDk did just fine with out releasing an origin movie about the villain. WB likes to make money not waste it so don’t count on that idea coming true. It really dosen’t make much sense.
Yes, Jess, if taken at face value the “cat” comment was meant to be a joke, but perhaps it was also a bit of foreshadowing. I like Catwoman as a character, but quite frankly I’m not creative enough to see how Nolan and Goyer could include her in the story and still maintain the high standard of excellence we’ve seen in the movies so far. But then, that’s why they earn the big bucks and I don’t! We will have to wait and see.
I agree, Daniel F, the story centers on Batman and his fight for the redemption of Gotham City. The villains just make the fight necessary, and we learn only as much about them as needed to make them pertinent to the Batman plot.
The villians should allow us to learn more about batman and be part of his redemtion of Gotham city to make things more interesting. But then again, catwoman can help do just that-but I cannot see that happening very easily. Nolan should make the next film shorter, or longer if he wishes to go on with the origin with his main villian. But, yeah, I agree-that was a lame idea to suggest an origin film for the next main villian to be used.
Well-stated, Fred! You made good points!
@Mattali
I know I think it was kinda meant to be foreshadowing but im hopeing against it
well what about the Catwoman foreshadowing in BB, the big rig that was allegedly carrying the microwave omitter actually had kitty litter, KITTY LITTER.
and i agree, i havent recovered from Halle yet…brrr…
Oh dear, Michael…kitty litter!!! I’ll have to freeze-frame and check it out! I never saw Halle so wasn’t scarred by that performance. I would hate to see Jolie in that role, too.
I know what you mean, Jess, about hoping against the foreshadowing business. I think it could be intriguing but a little frightening at the same time. Chris Nolan did say that if there is a Batman3 it will only be if there is a story they feel is good enough to warrant filming it. He seems to have high standards, so I’m placing my trust in his good taste! I hope he doesn’t disappoint!
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