Comments on: It’s Not Star Trek 11 – It’s Star Trek ZERO

By: Star Trek Trailer Mania! - Screen Rant

Star Trek Trailer Mania! - Screen Rant — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:30:50 +0000

[...] be directing a new Star Trek movie. It was known for a short while as Star Trek 11, but Paramount never referred to the new film with that title since this was to be a clean “reboot” (or as they prefer, “re-imagining”) [...]

By: steve adams

steve adams — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:28:08 +0000

Yea KEL I have to say its not so much that their doing a Star Trek coverband film.
The thing that bothers me is not only is the idea bad… Its being produced by Abrhams. I have absolutly no faith in his work.
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His previous films are films I don’t even care to see and his tv shows are shows that I don’t watch. Talk about O for 2.
The team he brought with him from Transformers is also very scary.
I liked the action scenes but the story was crap on a stick.
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So I guess the main prob I have is Abhrams. Maybe I will find some redemption in his Cloverfield film.
Although I don’t think he diected it.*?

By: KEL

KEL — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:45:46 +0000

Paul,
I (KEL) said that,not Vic. Abrams to me is a mixed bag. I personally have faith in what he’s doing with Trek,but his script for a failed Superman film years ago was,in a word HORRIBLE. It was just SO pathetically ridiculous and B.S. laden I wanted to hunt him down and chew him out about it. So I can understand some of your fears about Abrams. But based on everything I’ve seen about the film so far (other than the casting of Simon Pegg as Scotty) I’ve no reason to doubt that the film will be incredible.

By: Paul Paz y Mino

Paul Paz y Mino — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:28:36 +0000

Hey Vic,
That’s the point. The villains certainly can resort to torture. Abrams usually resorts to BOTH the villains and the heroes. That’s anti-Trek and not only that, it feeds the growing attitude that torture is an acceptable resort in the current arena. Wholly wrong, un-American and detrimental to our society.

Any way you slice it, there’s no harm in telling Abrams that Trek is no place for his usual form of storytelling and asking him to let s know he sees that.

By: KEL

KEL — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:16:16 +0000

I’ve got to agree with Vic,that is pretty out of left field,Paul. Besides,as long as only the villains are resorting to torture,there shouldn’t be a problem.

By: Vic

Vic — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:24:56 +0000

Paul, you’ve hijacked this thread for you own personal agenda and I’m on the edge of locking it.

Vic

By: Paul Paz y Mino

Paul Paz y Mino — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:35:42 +0000

ok well as far as logic goes: I am a hard core Star Trek fan and I don’t care if you call me a trekker or a trekkie. I know other fans who feel the same.

I am well versed in what the govt is doing, too. In fact, I have been investigating a case in Colombia for close to a decade and am currently suing the CIA under the Freedom of Information Act. I focus primarily on Latin America and have been working as a human rights advocate professionally since 1993.

Not sure what you felt was illogical, but I don’t see how you can argue with the facts that Abrams’ shows have justified torture and that’s the whole point here. And of coure, that Star Trek is no place for the same.

By: steve adams

steve adams — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:07:26 +0000

Sorry Paul, but Trekkers is the prefered reference when it comes to hard-core Star Trek fans.
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Also Paul,while I agree with your disagreements on new actors playing iconic roles……
I find your torture complex illogical at best….
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I’ll say this the government is doing more than torture,,,educate yourself Paul….

By: Paul Paz y Mino

Paul Paz y Mino — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:43:52 +0000

Actually many of us are fine with “trekkies” I think it’s those who are self-conscious who need to use “trekkers” instead. I consider myself both.

Oh and Vic… do you think it is odd to worry that torture continues to be portrayed in popular culture as justifiable? Since it is clear that Abrams other shows have done so (the evidence is on the web site) why is it so “out of left field” that he may have a similar scene planned for the new Trek movie? Perhaps Kirk “has” to inflict some horrible pain on some creature in order to “save the planet”. Sheesh, is it REALLY that hard to imagine? So if that is the case, is it not better to send the message to Abrams now rather than after, just IN CASE it happens? If Star Trek fans have proven anything it’s that we care enough to let the studios and the networks know how we feel and won’t be silenced. On top of everything, Abrams should not be glorifying torture in ANY of his projects.

Oh and by the way, as a Trek fan, I do have a LOT of other concerns about this movie (I think the idea of having new actors portray Kirk, Spock, et al is an absolutely horrendous idea) but none of my other concerns are as important as this one.

By: steve adams

steve adams — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:24:41 +0000

Just a fyi Paul, most hard core Star Trek fans don’t like the term Trekkies. Its Trekkers.
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Now…
I’m pondering Kiefer Sutherland as a trek villian…hmmm?

By: Vic

Vic — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:55:35 +0000

I have to say I think this is the oddest, out of left field concern possible regarding this movie.

Seriously.

Vic

By: Paul Paz y Mino

Paul Paz y Mino — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:11:08 +0000

Actually, I have an avenue to Abrams, so it won’t be a problem. Just have to gather the signatures first.

you may be right about the movie, we’ll see.

By: steve adams

steve adams — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:51:51 +0000

Also Paul, how do you plan do deliver this petition? Unless you deliver it to him personally he prob won’t get it.
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He’s soo wrapped up in Star Trek and Cloverfield he prob wouldn’t even read it …not to mention the script is allready complete and prob won’t be altered much….
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Paul, I have a feeling this film is going to be one of the biggest flops ever…..
I feel bad for Trek but I relesh this on the Studios that own Trek and dis the fans..
Oh yes I hope they suffer…^^

By: steve adams

steve adams — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:42:19 +0000

Sorry Paul,
I didn’t get a chance to check out that site, I’m replying from a Handheld device that has an old Java-script program that dosnt allow me to see moving video. (Its time I upgraded).
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I will try to logon to it tomarrow at work on a real computer.
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I still have to ask what other than his past work makes you think torture will be used in ST11?
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Also I hope you write your local congressmen and let them also know how you feel. Its horrible that we live in a world that this occurs..

By: Paul Paz y Mino

Paul Paz y Mino — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:15:34 +0000

Thanks for your reply. I think you missed the point a little (and if you see the video clips on the site you may understand better). I am not saying torture was not used on Star Trek, I am saying it is never justified. Abrams does this repeatedly. That alone is worth sending him a message. Please reconsider your signature, and please view the video clips on the site.
thanks

By: steve adams

steve adams — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:24:14 +0000

(If abrams uses torture in his crap shows he stole it from 24)…..
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Paul I agree that most Trekkers are worried that Abrams is going to change things primarily for this new generation.. and where does that leave us the hardcore fans ???
(We’ll well be here to rub it in his face if he fails).
The new generation won’t stick up for him…..hhahaaa!!
Anyway….
I can’t say that I’m concerned about torture in this new Trek film. I am not a fan of JJ’s work so I don’t really have a position on his style, however we don’t have anything to go by at this point that indicates tourture will play a part in this story…
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Also, on Torture, it was used on all the Star Trek series. I can’t remember how many times Kirk was tortured right in front of his crew! Picard and Laforge were tortured by the Cardassians let’s not forget Q,
Voyager’s crew as well were relentlessly tortured by the Viadians, Borg, and let’s not forget they were all used as human fodder in “the Killing game” 2 parter….
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I’m not a big fan of tourture (hell I can’t even spell it sometimes) but I don’t think it will be what makes or breaks this NEW trek film.
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Paul, you would have loved the new season of 24….it dealt with Tourture on a level that I can’t discuss for spoiler reasons.
Maybe in 2009 we will finnally get to see that???
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Let’s just hope the torture isn’t watching the film itself.

By: Paul Paz y Mino

Paul Paz y Mino — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:51:04 +0000

What worries many "trekkies" is that Abrams will violate the principles of Star Trek in an effort to reach that "new audience". His other projects use and justify torture over and over again. Star Trek did not survive over 4 decades with such a message. Abrams need to commit to keeping Star Trek XI free of such tactics. Please sign an open letter at http://trekkies.againsttorture.com to let him know what Star Trek is really about.

By: steve adams

steve adams — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:57:25 +0000

Lol Vic, its prob that Dark Knight post.
Its exploding over there.
KEL’s on fire!!!!

By: Vic

Vic — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:40:01 +0000

Steve, true… that’s a big piece. Don’t know how I forgot it!

Vic

By: steve adams

steve adams — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:33:25 +0000

Vic you forgot one more.
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C. The acting: it has to be dead on especally concerning Kirk, Spock, Scotty..etc

Execution is key..or this will be a comedy on a epic scale.