Heath McKnight: Obsessive Iron Man fan
Before I start my little op-ed about Iron Man and The Dark Knight, I want you all to know that Iron Man is indeed my favorite character. I had him tattooed on my right forearm almost five years ago, and Entertainment Weekly even featured me as their “Obsessive Fan of the Week” last year! I write for Advanced Iron (the #1 Iron Man fan site on the planet), and my love for the character stretches back over 20 years.
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That said, Batman is my second favorite character (tied with Captain America), and Batman Begins was, for the longest time not only my favorite comic book movie, but one of my top 20 favorite films of all time. The Dark Knight somehow topped Batman Begins, and completely blew me away. It deserves all the money and (hopefully) awards it has (or will) earn.
Okay, now that that’s out of the way, I want to spend a little time talking about why, ultimately, I love Iron Man more than The Dark Knight. Understand that while I think TDK is a magnificent movie, and the musical score is infinitely better than the pedestrian soundtrack of Iron Man – ol’ Shell Head’s film wins the race (but only by a little bit).
So why do I love Iron Man more? I recently sat down, and thought about the best movies I’ve seen this past summer, and I was hard-pressed in deciding whether Iron Man or TDK was better – or if they were a tie for me. Due to a busy work schedule this summer, I could only see each movie once, but you know I’ll wear the DVDs out when they’re released. I could also watch only a handful of films, but I hear that Indiana Jones 4 stunk anyway.
So after thinking about both, even going so far as comparing stories (both are aces) and direction (two veteran indie filmmakers doing their best work).
- Acting: Tie – you can’t get better than Robert Downey, Jr. and Heath Ledger.
- Visual FX: Iron Man.
- Music: The Dark Knight.
- Villains: Sorry, Iron Monger, but Heath’s Joker scared the crap out of me, and he deserves an Oscar.
- Cinematography: Matthew Libatique (Iron Man) and Wally Pfister (The Dark Knight) are both tops in their field, but I give the slight edge to Libatique.
- Overall fun factor for me: Iron Man wins by the narrowest of margins.
After all that, I came to the conclusion that Iron Man was the best film.
What ultimately got me to that conclusion was my good friend, comic book creator Rich Koslowski. He is the creator of The 3 Geeks, and he recently commented on his blog:
“I did love it [The Dark Knight, but] I still liked Iron Man better. And the one main reason I think is that Iron Man was more well-rounded. Iron Man had the one thing the The Dark Knight did not… joy.”
That’s exactly what I was mulling over: joy. Don’t get Rich or I wrong, we both love the dark aspects of Batman (don’t EVER lose that and don’t EVER hire Joel Shumacher EVER again!), but we went for the “light” with Iron Man.
So there you have it. Even though I am a big-time Iron Maniac, had the movie stunk, or had it been just decent-to-good, TDK would’ve won, hands down. Trust me, I love Iron Man the character, but I don’t love being let down. I learned that years ago, when I’d get excited for upcoming movies, much like sports fans would get pumped up for the big game, only to be disappointed when the film opened (Jurassic Park being the exception). And believe me, I was obsessing about both of these films.
For me, ultimately, I just loved watching Iron Man fly around, dispatching bad guys. But don’t forget that I absolutely loved The Dark Knight. It and Iron Man are the top two best comic book movies I’ve ever seen and I can’t wait to watch both films at least two dozen times on DVD before the year ends.
And one more thing: I think it’s great that TDK made over $520 million, and Iron Man, a minor, not-as-well-known Marvel superhero made more money than Indy 4. No one expected Iron Man to do as well as it did, but it certainly did.
I can’t wait for the next Iron Man and Batman films.
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Part 1: First of all, the article was badly written. Nothing was crystal clear.
The writer never gave distinct points as to why he prefers one hero to another. Believe me, this article is not even worthy being replied to. But still…
@The Writer
Part 2: Batman is a dark brooding pyschotic persona. If you(the writer) are so depressed that the only joy in your life comes from watching superhero movies then follow ANY other superhero except Batman. He will NEVER give you joy in a normal way. If you expected JOY from Batman, that means you really don’t understand Batman and your point that your 2ND ‘favourite’ superhero is Batman is totally false and falls flat. Period.
Part 3: Batman has no superpowers. He is a GREY character like we, normal human beings are in real life. I will be happy to say he is not even a superhero (and I love him for that.)Because of his GREY character he is more realistic. Unlike other Superheros who are WHITE angels beating BLACK demons and who have followers among the immature children watching a Good vs Bad superhero movie(Iron, Spider,…) and going to bed and remembering nothing of the movie the next morning. Period.
Part 4: Finding technical faults(Bat sonar) with a film and saying that the whole movie is crap because of that one single fault is a sign of IMMATURITY.
By that standards, Iron Man should not even exist.
Part 5: OK, it should be admitted that even though Ledger did a terrific Oscar-worthy performance he was not scary. But the consequences of the actions of Ledger in the movie were supposed to be the one that are actually scary and they were(Hospital, Police-stn blowing up, Bank getting looted, RPGs flying on streets, so many innocent people dying in blasts, bombs on ferries, terror/Chaos everywhere).
ACTONS of a man and THEIR CONSEQUENCES make him scary, not his ACTING.
Part 6: Fight Scenes were not clear in TDK or BB because …it is a Batman movie after all. It is not a showcase of Batman’s Martial Arts talent. His main aim is to finish it off quickly in the dark and let NOT the villains understand what hit them. Even though he is an expert, his main weapon is SURPRISE. He attacks swiftly unleashing blows at close range effective enough to smash
opponents teeth and subdue them in quick seconds and then he simply disappears, just like …you guessed it…how a BAT swiftly attacks its prey in the DARK for maximum results in a very short period. And to show case his martial art talents the opponent of Batman should also be some kind of a competitive expert to fight long enough or else the fight(should we say ‘Attack’)finishes as soon as it starts which is …most of the times for his hapless opponents.
@NO NAME FACE
(for you especially):
Part 7: Batman’s Voice becomes gruff because Wayne does not just disguise as a Batman but Wayne BECOMES the Batman. He becomes a man possessed in his Batman mode and his trauma/anguish(his Parent’s murder) is expressed in that gruff intimidating voice. He becomes a Demon(not literally but behaviour-wise). That’s why he speaks in the same gruff voice even
when he is in presence of only those who know WAYNE is Batman.
Just like a Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly known as Multiple/Split Personality Disorder) that occurs due to trauma.
@H.OM.E.R:
Part 8: Even both movies achieved a score of 100 based on aspects that were done during the movie does NOT mean both movies worked on the same aspects. And EMPIRE magazine too have made it clear when they ranked Batman Begins(Rank: 81) and TDK(Rank: 15) SO MUCH higher than IM(Rank: Some 400+) in their ‘500 Greatest Movies Of All Time.’ …just two days ago.
@Dimitri
Part 9: Titanic was not and is never great even today if you respect any average critics review(3 out of 5). It is just another non-intellectual over-bloated love story (admit it) but laced with truly awesome Oscar-worthy mind-blowing Visual/Sound effects(THE SHIP). Cameron’s Greatest till today is still the ‘Terminator’ series. Waiting for Avataar(2009)
@BRAVEHEART
Part 10: Comparing Batman to James Bond? (Refer to parts 2,3,7) Bond doesn’t stand a chance.
@Most Haters of TDK:
TDK was not a simple formula story like IM. TDK was complex and handled more important issues in those sub-plots which normally cannot be expected from a superhero movie. I am really amazed at how people are quick to under-rate anything in life that they do not understand/grasp at all in the first place, when actually ‘Understanding’ is the primary requisite. If you did (understand the sub-plots),not liked them & then you rated TDK down, it’s fine with me. But if you rate TDK down just because you never understood the Sub-Plots at all, you are contradicting yourselves and you are a ‘HYPOCRITE’ and a *BEEP* with a LOW IQ and a really mean nature.
…And yes, go and check the EMPIRE’s 500-List.
Daniel,
Have you considered that Heath liked TDK? =)
Vic,
Looks like you’re gonna need as many new mods as you’ve writers, hahah. Hate that you have to deal with this man, even though you knew it’d come eventually.
Rev
Of course I considered that he liked TDK the point was he over proclaimed his love for TDK. He couldn’t simply say he really liked it once he felt the need to constantly say how much he liked it and that he was not biased.
@Reverend
Oh, I knew this would generate sparks, and people have been very civil here for the most part.
@Daniel
Do you think maybe it was because he was anticipating blowback from people?
Just a thought.
Vic
I dont thinK Heath is afraid
of what people might say to him,
He just knows there are a lot of people here who love TDK
and he didnt want to offend them.
That is a possibilty too.
Yes Vic I do think it’s because he anticipated blow back and that’s my point. Intead of just being a man and flat out saying what he thought he instead tried to over exaggerate how much loved TDK and made sure he mentioned it as much as he could to try to maybe not get blow back. He should ofjust manned up and said what he thought in an open and honest way instead of trying to cater to everyone.
Daniel,
I wasn’t afraid of blowback, I just wanted everyone to know I loved The Dark Knight. had Iron Man come out in 2007 or 2009, TDK would be the movie of the year.
As for complexity, I love those movies. Some of my favorite films aren’t considered simplistic, like The Third Man or Memento (wha–?! A Chris Nolan film?!), and more. Some of my favorite films would probably be derided by you, Daniel. I love everything from Spielberg to Welles to Nolan to Smith to Scorsese to some pretty funky foreign films. Bicycle Thieves is such a tragic film, but the French New Wave was a little too much for me.
But I do love a straight-forward flick, like The Thing (1982), Jaws, etc. I quit loving a movie more because I felt it was important; instead, I look for movies that move me, make me feel something.
This article started out because I made the comment to my fellow Rant Writers that I ultimately liked Iron Man more due to how I felt when I walked out. But I loved TDK a lot, so why would I trash it?
But I’m not gonna write this op-ed from a film appreciation or theory standpoint. We’re film geeks here, not scholars. If I hated TDK, I wouldn’t have been as nice.
Would you guys like me to write an article about how I liked Iron Man and TDK more than Sex and the City the movie or something?
heath
@Daniel
“Intead[sic] of just being a man and flat out saying what he thought”
That’s the kind of crap I’m talking about. How about if I replied “if Daniel would stop being such a damned whiner.”?
But there’s no NEED for that and it just drags down the tone of the comment thread.
Vic
Have everybody gone through the EMPIRE’s 500 Greatest Movies List Of All Time as I suggested before ?
Good, … Now we all know where Nolan’s Bat Series stands when compared to Iron Man or Spiderman-2 or any Superhero movie in the EMPIRE’s list and the All-Time money grossing list(www.IMDB.com) . That is TDK’s Critical and Commercial success speaking out.
Now let’s get down to business: (NOTE: All the Parts mentioned below are present in my ABOVE previous comment.)
@No Name Face
1. (”On hearing The Joker’s joke – At first batman has a stern look and then he smiles and goes “heh” and they brake into Laughter… it is kind of clear Alan more is trying to imply that batman is nutz… ) my take on that is he’s normal”)
Explanation: You know the two well known proverbs:
1. ANYTHING in excessive quantities in life is just pure HELL. 2. SLaughter…errr… Laughter is the best medicine.
Laughter is a trigger set by the brain when it recognises that the stress levels in it have reached peak levels and that it (brain) may face an haemorrhage (blood loss due to a ruptured blood vessel) and so the brain FORCES a man to laugh in the face of extreme stress which in turn releases endorphins (pain-relieving hormones) to reduce stress drastically.
A little technical, yes, but try to understand.
Do you really think Batman was laughing at the Joker’s Joke ? Life’s not that shallow my friend.
In the tragic story “The Killing Joke”, right from Start to End, Batman’s stress was being tested to its peak level. So suddenly at the climax, when The Insane Joker told a joke, Batman had seen enough, so the joke acted as a trigger to laugh to bring stress levels down. That does not mean in any way, Batman is normal. He is laughing because he is now standing at the gates of Hell and he cannot do anything else about it but laugh along with the Joker.
Batman’s Stern look for a moment was the result of the shuddering shock that he experienced at that one moment that someone like the Joker could exist in this world for whom the reality of the world has taken totally new sick dimensions. That pain was no longer a pain for him.
Still not got it ? Friend, what I’m implying is that Batman was not laughing at the literal joke like a normal guy would but he was laughing at that tragic ‘MESS’ called Life itself. He was laughing at his OWN HELPLESSNESS that he could not help The Joker to rehabilitate. He was laughing at the WHOLE TRAGIC SITUATION that he was in along with the Joker. He was laughing at THE CRUEL FATE that was the reason for he being what he is. He was laughing at HOW EXTREMELY CRUEL LIFE COULD BE. He was laughing at the MADNESS CALLED LIFE surrounding him. He was laughing at the CRUEL FACT that ONE bad day created a monster like The Joker and ….himself. He was bloody laughing at HIMSELF.
And so Alan Moore is right when he implies that Batman is ‘nutz’.
2. (”. Bruce made Batman to help him end crime soon he realized its not going to happen here he could have hung up his cape, yet Batman fight’s on and never once doubts if he made the right choice.”)
Explanation: I explained that in Parts 2 and 7. Batman is psychotic. Here ‘psychotic’ is the keyword. He is brooding and OBSESSIVE. And obsessive people suffering from DID can’t help but succumb to their dominant personality (HERE: Batman) frequently who again and again tries in vain to find some solace, satisfaction in once again getting involved in acts against crime (to avenge his parents’ murder) in this case. But obsessive people never achieve their illusive aims. And the recessive
personality(Here: Bruce Wayne) is just helpless and not in control. Its the dominant personality that can take/ leave control of a man’s psyche at will and not the recessive one. So Batman keeps taking frequent control of the psyche and Wayne just goes to sleep. And the cycle just goes on and on and on… That’s the precise reason why as you say….he could have hung up his cape, yet Batman fights on.
A little technical, yes, but try to understand.
3. (if a bat crashes through his window go and dress up like a bat. Well to that i say that is why it is not realist”)
I suggest don’t go to the comics to search for the origin of the idea of using Bat disguise. Better rely on ‘Batman Begins(2005)’ where Bruce Wayne learns in his training the way to conquer his fears…by facing them, by embracing them. One of his main fears is
phobia of Bats. So he just faces, embraces his very fear: ‘The Bat’ and uses that very fear as his weapon to strike terror in the hearts of criminals.
4. (”The problem with TDK IS the FACT that Joker stole the show from batman.”)
Get your basics right. MOVIE’S FIRST RULE: A MOVIE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ANTAGONIST OR THE VILLAIN IN IT.
Nobody will remember IM some days from now because nobody will remember its villians. But The Joker is Legendary.
5. (”Robin might add some heart to the franchise if done right…”)
Nolan’s Batman does not need crutches to move forward and he probably will never use them.
@Ken J
( “I would beat the living day lights out of anyone on the crew that made Terminator 3 if I ever met them”)
ha ha ha ha ha ha he he ho ho he ho he ha ha he ha ho. That was so hilarious and yet so almost matching with my feelings. I said ‘almost’ because I would keep Arnie out of the beating and thrash everyone else remaining. Come ooooooon, where is James when we need him the most ? Terminator 3 was the worst movie ever in terms of meeting the high expectations built after the masterpiece that was ‘Terminator 2: Judgement Day(1991)’. Ken, everything about that comment of yours was correct. Indy 4 was a disappointment after first three so good prequels.
@Robert
(’If you’re objective about your passion, it disproves it.”)
So Wrong are you. What Ken J meant, was being objective to some poor-quality movies that do injustice to our passion, and not being objective about Passion itself. Say for instance, first three parts in a series of four eke out my passionate dream perfectly, so I will love them like a freak. But when fourth part goes totally gross, I naturally will feel my brains blowing out and so make my feelings clear. Its should NOT be about following one’s passion blindly as that is what your above statement suggests BUT following one’s passion discerningly.
@H.OM.E.R.
(”TDK was an awesome movie. its an established character that went all out and achieved a great blockbuster. but the fact that we are sitting here debating wether IM or TDK is better is alone the sole reason why IM has the slight edge on TDK.”)
(Read Part 8…again)
Here, you are saying that TDK has a set a standard in terms of class and money both. And just because your TRYING to compare IM to TDK in terms of class shows that IM HAS an edge over TDK ? How is that possible when according to you TDK has already established the standards in …whatever ? I suggest don’t pretend, just shout out loud: “To hell with TDK’s critical ‘n’ commercial success ! I love IM because TDK does not stand a chance against IM.” All this inspite of the sufficient evidence for the contrary. ha ha ha ha ha ha he he ho ho he ho he ha ha he ha ho. The Joker laughs at you.
@Vic Holtreman
(”the comparisons are focusing on RDJ vs Heath Ledger. One big weakness of TDK is that it was about the Joker and Harvey Dent much more than it was about the guy who is supposed to be the hero: Batman himself.”)
Get your basics right. MOVIE’S FIRST RULE: A MOVIE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ANTAGONIST OR THE VILLAIN IN IT.
Nobody will remember IM some days from now because nobody will remember its villians. But The Joker is Legendary. Period.
Amol,
I edited the profanity and a condescending comment towards someone else out of your post (hard to do since the entire thing is so damned condescending).
In any case in regards to your reply to ME: of course a film needs a strong antagonist, but classic story mythology is about the journey of the HERO, not the VILLAIN.
Vic
P.S. I’m thinking of implementing a personal rule that if I find personal insults or foul language in a comment, no matter how long the thing is, I’m just going to delete it instead of taking my valuable time to clean it up.
Does Amol actually believe that anyone is that interested in his opinion to read all of that? Just curious…
I have no idea where amol stands on this because there is no way in hell I’m reading all that. We are not discussing abortion or gun rights lol this is about movies try to trim it down a bit man.
@Daniel
LOL, can’t argue with you there…
Vic
Well, apparently he feels that we are all so interested in his superior knowledge that we would feel compelled to open up a bag of popcorn and read through his post for our own good.
WOW i never had someone write a whole bible in order to put me in my place, for expresing my opinion before….
Amol,
1.So in rgardes to Batman’s Phycotic personalty i would actually have to gisagree with you kindly please do your homework and read Batman; Lovers and Madmen, Blind Justice, No mans Land, War Games, Hush, R.I.P. the difference bettwen Batman and All his Villins that unlike them he actually is able, under all the pressure, retain his Humanity!!!
and then you tell me he is Phycotic???
i am an american israeli soldier and serving in israel, the reality is i am most likely going to hurt people. but there is a difference between me and the terrorist as long as i do what i need to do to defend my self and my country i retain my humanity when i do more then that (think Viatnam) i am no worse then the terrorist i am fighting.
i do not understand what you are trying to accomplish by sticking on to batman this whole Phycotic Persona. it does not fit, he would not be a HERO if he were nutz. Batman is a Knight, (Think Honor, Valiant and Goodness etc.) that is why i and so many people love Batman.
and i agree with Vic (allow me to quote) ” of course a film needs a strong antagonist, but classic story mythology is about the journey of the HERO, not the VILLAIN.” (thanks btw)
I regards to batmans reason for becoming Batman i will stick with the the origional Source. and the way it happened in BB was cool but not true to the Source and that is fine because it was trying to go for the realistic as possible approach.
BB had a lot in common with the source was very similar to the story The Man who Falls.
I’ve never agreed with the idea that Batman was not focused on in this movie. I think Batman was focused on just as much if not maybe a little bit more than the joker. At the very least they were equal. Certainly was far more focused on than Two Face or Harvey. However, even if the film focused more on the villian I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all. It’s a nice break from the same ole same ole of every day movies.
@No Name Face
Yes, I have to admit I was wrong when I used the word ‘Psychotic’ for Batman. It was a little too strong and altogether takes a new meaning. May be the word ‘Obsessive’ was enough. I actually wanted to concentrate on the point/fact: “WHY Wayne keeps becoming The Batman frequently out of some strange Complusion even though he knows he can’t finish Crime totally all by himself.” I was not implying the point that he was Pyschotic because he killed criminals which as everybody knows is totally wrong as Batman is a man with total self-control …just like you all respect-worthy soldiers who dedicate thier life to one’s country.
And now we are talking completely about Batman…
They mentioned soldiers to.
lol
Ken J & Daniel Fenwick you guys are a riot…:-)
and Amol, thank you for your response.
For me it was Robert Downey Jr’s performance, and the the great story!
The term (nailed it) is an understatment in this case.
“I am Iron Man”, says it all….
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The biggest problems I had with TDK were the commen sense issues in the script…
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Can I just have my phone call?
^
I’m gonna shoot your driver, at 55 mph.
^
Hey there’s a burning fire truck,,, aw just drive around it…
^
My face has been blown off, but screw the pain medication, my girlfriends dead! ^
City streets are totally deserted during care chases?
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The freak that is responsable for my girlfriends death hands me a loaded gun, and I don’t kill him, instead I go after the Chief of Police, cause he’s responasable for my dead girlfriend.?!?!?
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Hey Captain there’s a crapload of barrels containing explosives all over the ship, is that gonna be a problem?
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I’m just gonna suck on this grenade til it blows up in my mouth,,,
And on and on,,, shessh its like Prison Break or Sarah Connor Cronicles logic…
I loved the action and the overall scope of TDK, but it had some huge plotholes, way more than Iron Man,,,,
Rofl over half of those things are easily explained the other half take a tiny bit of thought to easily understand them. It’s sad though they have been explained in nearly every single Batman topic and you ignore it every single time.
Ironman was a simple straight forward action movie with some humor thrown in the mix. There was no depth, no drama, no emotion, and certainly no brains. It was a simple entertaining flick that was absolutely meaningless. The main bad guy was a joke. Lets ignore the fact that it had far more plot holes than TDK and just focus on the fact that it was one of the most basic of films made all year.
Daniel, yeah whatever man,,, hope you cherish your BluRay limited edition Batpod collector dvd…
(Your ignorance amuses me)
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I’ve heard the explanations and they suck…
They suck because they prove you wrong and you can’t accept that. TDK was not a perfect movie, but you seem to nit pick at it and pull things out of thin air just to trash it. What ? A guy putting on a Bat Suit? That’s a plot hole.
Your Batman passion is commendable.
Have a good one.
Daniel, you keep repeating “TDK was not a perfect movie” yet you never point out what you found was not perfect about the film, and you never acknowledge any of the faults anyone else points out. So if you truly felt it wasn’t perfect, but everything everyone has ever said about it are wrong, then that must mean you have a list of faults of TDK that none of us have noticed or mentioned? So let’s hear them.
I think by you saying that, you’re simply trying to appear objective and not a fanboy suffering from tunnel vision.
My friends and I all loved TDK, but we all have the ability to acknowledge things that were done wrong or could have been done better. We’ve made jokes poking fun at Iron Man and we’ve made jokes poking fun at TDK.
I mean, seriously, do you realize the man power and the logistics involved in all of those barrels that he put everywhere? Do you honestly believe that he was able to set up two buildings with hundreds of barrels of explosives, and then sneak hundreds more barrels of this stuff onto ships used to transport highly important passengers that were most likely checked for such things, and not a single person, even accidentally, spilling the beans on the whole thing prior to the fact? You got the source that should have noticed them going missing, you have the dozens of people who must have done the set ups, you have the large numbers of trucks that must be involved, you have the possibility of eye-witnesses with such large scale operations going on. Let’s not even start with all of the explosives used for the hospital, which is open 24 hours BTW. I’m sorry, but with all of the money in the world you could not have pulled all of that off without any information leaking.
And I’m sure a whole street full of school buses full of school children and bus drivers would have thought nothing of a bus pulling out from halfway inside of a bank…
And Two-Face not shooting The Joker??? Come on, even if he bought his BS, he would have simply killed The Joker AND Gordon…
These are obvious logical improbabilities in TDK that you consistantly blow off as easily explained, or not a problem at all. To say that is not blind loyalty would be a stretch.
I don’t simply say Iron Man is not perfect, I can list its problems as well, even though I loved the movie too, in fact, I think it’s the year’s best so far, but I can still objectively see its faults.
The music score SUCKS.
Terrance Howard does not fit Rhodey’s character AT ALL.
Where does that dancing pole go when stored? There’s not THAT much space between the interior cabin and the outer skin, retracting that pole would have caused it to poke right through to the outside!
The icing thing is not actually accurate.
The arc reactor is a little cold fusion reactor?? With all of the research and funding that went into this, he found a way to build it in a miniature scale out of scrap metal inside of a cave??
Tony Stark falling from the sky into a sand dune without injury was just comical.
The ending action scene was pretty weak. Not much of a climax at all.
Oh, and did I mention the music score SUCKS?? Just want to make sure that point is driven home…
I could go on. Obviously I could objectively critique both films and I loved both of them, but you HAVE to acknowledge their faults. The things 790 pointed out are completely legitimate as well. To ignore them shows a blind fanboy devotion to the film…
Oh, oops, this got pretty long… anyway, I am just baffled how you cannot admit your own clear bias for TDK while accusing everyone else of their bias just because they say they loved some movie other than TDK more…
Sorry Amol, I have stole your thunder, lmao!
I simply never listed the faults because I never felt the need to.
Personally I’ve never liked the Rachael Character while I thought she was more important and better written in TDK I wasn’t a huge fan of Maggie’s performance.
The Batpod ridiculous. I never liked the tumbler, but come on even that is better than the Batpod. The idea that it was inside the tumbler the entire time is pathetic.
I thought the movie ran a bit long there were some unnecessary scenes. There was a lot of stuff that could of been cut or simply made shorter. Personally I think the movie could of ended a lot sooner.
Two Face should not of died in this film. This is my most aggravated issue that they simply thew away one of the biggest characters in the history of the Batman comics. It almost seemed like a great ending right after Rachel died and Alfred was giving speech number 16 or 17 can’t remember. The shot of Batman standing on the ruble was excellent.
I really liked Gordon’s speech at the end but at the same time it seemed like a bit much and a normal person wouldn’t of sad as much as he did. I think they over wrote that monologue a bit.
I’m struggling to come up with the explanation for diving out of the building falling as far as he did landing on the taxi and not at least breaking something or limping in a scene or two.
So there are a few of my problems with the movie.
Oh I forgot and I’m still not completely sold on that Bat suit.
The thing is, I’ve pointed out almost all of those things before, and you’ve brushed all of them off and accused me of not liking the film for pointing those things out.
Well, I liked the Bat-Pod idea, although it isn’t very probable since the Tumbler was not built specifically for Batman so it would be weird for a military vehicle meant to jump over rivers would happen to have a little motorcycle thing built into it, but I still liked it.
I also hated Rachel’s character, but didn’t mention it before. Or maybe I did, but I don’t think so because it evened out at the end when she died, so that was ok, lol.