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  • james
    I agree about keeping CGI to a minimum. That was probably my biggest fault with the 4th film was that the special effects went overboard. It takes away from the realism. I would personally like to see two more Indy movies and have the series ultimately end with a proper send-off for one of the greatest action heroes of our time. And absolutely, Mutt Williams should not take the spotlight from Indy in these films. I know Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford can pull this off, as long as they listen to fan's criticism(because most of us are criticizing the same elements of the 4th film), then this series could end on the right note. When I was a kid I used to cry at the end of the 3rd movie, I'm not sure why, but i want a series finally that will having me bawling my eyes out; not because it's sad, nor because it's happy, but because it's the perfect combination of the two.
  • prtfvr
    Once Lucas and Spielberg hit 50 they lost their imaginations for the fun stuff. Spielberg still makes great movies but they're not usually fun but meaningful. Except for a a few, I just see a mid-life lack of fun.

    And Lucas, he's lost his touch (judging by the recent Star Wars Redux). The second trilogy he cast a cute kid who'd never acted before and boy did it show. He used to be fun with a side order of seriousness and meaningful moments. Now it feels forced.

    I don't think the last Indy was horrible. I just think the Wonder Twin Powers weren't used to doing light hearted movies anymore. If they do another one, I'll go see it even if it sucks because I'm a dedicated Indy fan. But hopefully they'll both get they're crap together and remember how to write Indy.

    And no, I don't want it to be "Indiana Jones - The Next Generation starring Shia Lebeof". I like the kid but I don't go to see Indy movies to see where this saga is turning. And during the last movie, much was made of Indy's age, and they didn't make everything as easy for him as it used to be. I really liked that.

    So if they do another one and it sucks, lets pretend it never happened. That's what I did with Lucas' Star Wars prequels. Never happened.
  • Dee
    I love Indy I wish they make as many as George Lucas can think up. I just watched the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and I loved it. I want more Indiana Jones!
  • Tono 313
    TWO COMMENTS: 1) Sallah! (JRD), and 2) Noah's ArK!
  • prtfvr
    Hi George.

    The odds of Harrison Ford needing to do anything "desperately"? I seriously doubt it. If he's desperate, it sure ain't for the money.
  • 790
    Drink a few beers and then watch Indy 4,,,

    Its better that way,,, ;-)

    Indy 4 was a great popcorn flick!
  • george
    A fifth Indy film probably won't happen. Well not with the Big 3 anyway. Lucas already officially screwed up the Indy franchise forever. Whatever he does now will only get worse. I can't imagine getting worse then Indy 4. I said the same thing to Episode 1 of Star Wars. Boy was I wrong. Episode 2 was even worse. There will NEVER be another good Indy film ever. Quit dreaming about a fifth one. Indy's time was up in '89. As for Harriosn Ford. 10 years ago he would of spit in Lucas face about the screenplay of Indy 4 and said NO WAY. Now the guy is 66 and he's desperate to do anything. I mean anything. As for Speilberg I really have a hard time believing he would come back and direct a fifth film. He knows Indy was over in the 80's, but wanted to make one last one. He's got bigger projects on the plate then another pathetic Indy sequel. If they do make another one, don't be surprised to see one of the Big 3 sitting it out.
  • Ed
    Or better yet, do something modern and politically correct by having North American corporate CEO's holding him for their own perverted purposes.
  • Ed
    prtfvr,

    Aliens are really overused in pop culture right now, and trying to explain (and show) "Indy's" aliens over and over again was just a bad idea. I really just loved the mystery in the first three movies. They were simply devices with little more than superstitious reasoning's behind their workings.

    Now I feel like the Aliens have to come back in the next movie to invade, or help Indy find out that Henry Sr. is still being held captive by the North Korean commies.
  • Jess H.
    I never saw I4 but I guess I will just to see how it turned out.
  • prtfvr
    I think that one of Indy's first PC game adventures was about the Lost City of Atlantis but I'm not 100% about that. Those games were really fun. I'm too old to play the new stuff - I get motion sickness from all the moving around. How lame is that?
  • jcathey
    What I liked about 4th Indy was the fact he actually mentioned something that happened in the Young Indy Chronicles. I would like him to loose an eye.
  • 790
    This is what I should have typed:
    ^
    "You have to take into account that all the Indy films (after Raiders) jump the shark at least once.... :-)
  • Brian Kettler
    @790

    I agree with a lot of what you've said, but I do have a question for you. What part of Raiders of the Lost Ark do you consider as Jumping The Shark??

    Also, let us all never forget that one of the greatest aspects of *every* Indy movie is John Williams' music! He could probably score a bowel movement scene with excitement and tension :) Speaking of which, whomever does a YouTube mashup of the bathroom scene from Dumb & Dumber set to Raiders music will forever be my best friend!
  • 790
    They should try some kind of Atlantis Macguffen.,,?
  • Brian Kettler
    @ppnkof

    That South Park episode was the clue I included in my 2008 Scream Awards article regarding the special guest. It took everyone a few guesses before John "Kahless" Taylor guessed correctly.
  • Brian Kettler
    I guess George Lucas hasn't read my article yet:
    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id...
    "George Lucas: Yes - we're looking for a "MacGuffin," which is an object that he goes after. They're very hard to come by!"
  • prtfvr
    I actually liked I4. It wasn't a work of art but it was great to see Harrison Ford in that Fedora again and wielding the whip. He said that he had to practice how to use it all over again - 17 years and all that. And how about him wearing the original costume from the series because it still fit? I don't have one thing from 17 years ago that I can still wear. But I digress about the superficial stuff.

    What's the big fricking deal about it being aliens? Is god from earth? The Temple of Doom stones not supernatural enough for you? The Holy Grail an every day cup that just magically keeps the guardian alive FOREVER? That's all alien stuff to me.

    I just think all the CGI messed it up. Indy doesn't need that crap. It makes everything so fake. I know, 'cause it is. But Harrison Ford still has some moves on him and god knows they commented about how old he was enough times.

    I thank George Lucas for his huge part in moving CGI into reality but I think he's like a kid with a toy and that toy has to be bigger and badder than everyone else's when we all know that things are much more impressive when you don't have to say "WOW! The CGI is really good in this movie." I don't even want that to come to mind. I want to be lost in the moment.

    I agree that they changed the entire plot of the movie when they made the bad guy actually become a scholar. WTF? How'd that happen? And Cate Blanchett who's an excellent actress and normally great with accents kept slipping in and out of her which was a little distracting. Still, I liked her. She was suitably evil.

    I'm glad Indy married Marion. He's almost 70 for pete's sake. He's entitled to a happy ending, so to speak. The thing that almost ruined it for me was Indy's hat blowing to Mutt in the church. If Mutt would have put that hat on I would have pulled a Marvin the Martin and been VERY angry. Indy's not dead yet. Please don't shove his obvious replacement down our throats quite yet. I don't want Indy ever be the bumbling one. He's a teacher. Let him stay a teacher.

    And the poor kid's dumb name? Does no one get the joke? Indy took his name from the family dog, Mutt is a mixture of Indy and Marion- he's a mutt, get it? Dog joke people. A bad one but still, why didn't anyone catch that?

    Wow, I had more to say about this than My Own Worst Enemy. Who knew I cared so much. Guess it's because I grew up with Indy and I'd be more than happy to plunk my money down to give a new movie another chance.
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  • scott
    I liked the latest Indy film and it was loads better than the Temple of Doom. I agree with everything in the article and I hope they do soon have a plan or a good story so we can send Indy off in style. It was nice to see Sylvester Stallone send off Rocky in the best possibe way and it will be nice for Harrison Ford to leave the franchice he is most famous for with the fans and himself happy with the product.
  • Strich
    i hate to post this here, but i cant find a user setup. how do i post an avatar? i set one up with gravatar, but i cant figure out where to implement it on the site.
  • Metallicat79
    George Lucas should be forced to understand when to say NO
  • Metallicat79
    I of course, have acouple thoughts on this subject.
    What I4 lacked, was substance to the the story. The first half started out with some real potential, and kept me engaged in the film. However from the Jungle onward, it felt that the substance was dimished or forgotten and they moved on to a CG crapfest. They deviated from what meade the orginal triolgy great, which was awesome stunt and camera work wrapped up in a great story, that made you forget all about the Macguffin. To save Indy 5, ditch the CGI,focus less on the Macguffin (which i think they focused on the Mcguffin in I4). And finally, what ruined I4 for me was the wedding at the end. If they do make I5, Indy will ave to bring the whole family along, which if i want to see afamily of archialogists running aroung the globe, I'll watch "The Mummy" franchise. Its already done.I really wished that they could have saved the wedding for another film in the Indy series, thus allowing a proper, more fasionable send of for the Indy charactor.
    However these are just my two cents. They really should avoid I5 like the plague.
  • Strich
    the only thing i enjoyed about I4 was seeing the old gang together. that being said, if they do decide to make a 5th, i'm not sure how great it'd be to see marion or mutt. marion has this perfect place in my mind from the original and even her on I4 betrayed that place. mutt was just stupid, which says a lot about an indy movie with cgi aliens.
  • cleantalkingchimp
    Your right 790,it just might give him more insane ideas and who knows he might enjoy it too.

    Sick and hilarious is what my last girl friend said about me.:p
  • 790
    I don't know if that's a good idea Cleantalkingchimp, he might decide that Jar Jar should have been in all the films and decide to re-edited him (Digitally) into the trilogy.

    Btw
    Your gravatar is sick yet hilarious...
  • cleantalkingchimp
    The only way to save the next Indiana Jones movie is to put George Lucas in a straight jacket,lock him in a padded cell with a helmet on his head and force him to watch the Star Wars prequels over and over,until he wishes Jar Jar Binks was dead!Then and only then would we get a great Indy movie,not just a crazy Indy movie.
  • ppnkof
    Yeah this is pretty much how I feel about Indy 4:

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/187260

    They're right, we did nothing and let them rape him...
  • The only way to save this movie is to NOT make it in the first place.
    Don't make a movie just for the money. Look at what Lucas ruined with the newest Star Wars films - complete trash.
  • Lank
    The first half was much better than the second. I pretty much liked it until they got to the jungle, then it just got a bit crap, partly because of the overuse of bad CGI. The green screen swordfight looked awful, the rendered alien was completely unnecessary and if you can't think of anything better than unrealistic CG ants to replace the snakes/bugs/rats, just don't bother!

    I agree it felt more like a warmup, so hopefully if they do make another one they'll learn from the mistakes they made here.
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