Hulk Smash Puny Avengers?

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hulk vs iron man Hulk Smash Puny Avengers?

Marvel Studios has us already talking about a movie not set to be released until 2011: The Avengers. That film will no doubt be of epic proportions.

Director Louis Leterrier, who brought us The Incredible Hulk, suggested to MTV News (back in June) that they couldn’t find a villain that could challenge the teaming of Iron Man, Ant-Man, Thor and Captain America.

And his solution was for them to use his.

Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostby, the writers of Iron Man, couldn’t agree more.  They’re rumored to be writing another Marvel movie in the near future – one that has not been announced.  Here’s the excerpt from MTV News:

“I hope ‘The Avengers’ embraces that,” Fergus said of having the Hulk as misunderstood baddie. “You don’t want like 10 super-badass good guys fighting together. Where’s the fun in that? Let’s break it off a little. Friends or colleagues who become enemies is always an interesting thing because you know it’s based on love and friendship and that’s always the worst thing to have turn bad — is someone you actually care about and someone you actually believe in.”

Now the Hulk has ripped through nearly every Marvel comic book series, so I couldn’t be happier with this news.  In Ultimates, Vol. 1, Nick Fury recruits Giant-Man (read as: Ant-Man), the Wasp (that Eva Longoria rumor), Iron Man, Captain America and Thor, to take down a rampaging Hulk.  Marvel’s big green monster has always been out of control, so when they said he was a part of the Avengers team in the movie it rubbed me the wrong way. And although Hulk was part of the first Avengers team in the comics, I think this movie is going to be about assembling said team and he’ll be the last piece in the puzzle.

The good guys always win, but to protect our borders and secure the homeland, they’ll have to go through little ol’ Bruce Banner to do it.  Can they trust one another?  They are working for the government, after all.

Source: MTV Spash Page

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  1. @Ken J
    Good idea. It’d take a little tweaking, but I like the idea of the Hulk ultimately making the decision to be a hero and rush to the aid of the Avengers at the end. Could be a great climax.
    I would love to see the Mandarin as the villain in the Avengers movie. Remember Fav’s said before Iron Man that he viewed it as a trilogy, with the Avengers movie being the third part. So it would make sense to have IM 2 show Mandarin and set him up as an enemy IM cannot defeat alone, thus the Avengers!

  2. @ Deadpool

    Like the suit, would look great in the Avenger film. Just think the suit will be a little darker in tone for a stealthier design.

  3. There will be a super-villain in this movie I’m sure of it.I think the Hulk vs Avengers will be a sub-story,Hulk will be the anti-hero,doesn’t want these Avengers bothering him…hence a massive battle where they have to bring him down in order to get him to join them somehow in order to take on the real bad-guy(s)!
    I still think that the more these Marvel movies come out we’ll see lots of clues in T.I.H movie.
    I love it!!Bring it all on!!!
    Marvel Rules

  4. Just had a thought about all this Hulk business:
    why dont the movies give the Hulk some dialogue? He’s not a conversationalist, but he does talk when he has hulked out. Id like to see them introduce that in the Avengers. Now that Banner apparently can control his transformations, maybe he can have the Hulk talk. They’d really be able to add to the drama and the action in the story if Hulk could speak.
    Anyone else want to see Hulk talk?

  5. Just wondering does anyone else find it sad that the tagline for The Incredible Hulk in the commercials is “Its every bit as good as Iron man”?

  6. He does say “Hulk Smash” at the end, lol, that was actually pretty cool.

    Unless my idea goes against something in the comics, I think that would be a good way to get Hulk vs The Avengers and then them all together to go against a huge villain. They could have it seem like Banner has definitely chose to kill off Hulk, then at the last minute when they are fighting the villain, Hulk jumps in and turns the tide of the battle.

  7. Hulk was good, but not “every bit as good as Iron Man” Id give the Hulk a 7/10 and Iron Man 8/10. Just for reference, the Dark Knight gets a perfect 10/10 from me.

    @Ken J
    Hulk Smash was freakn’ sweet, but not nearly enough. I would love to hear some “Hulk no like puny avengers, hulk smash!” some caveman like dialogue. And I dig your idea for the movie. Who do you want to see as the villain?
    I vote for the Mandarin

  8. How the heck did The Dark Knight make its way into the discussion again?? Oh right, nothing can be said about Iron Man without comparing it to TDK, lol.

    Anyway, I don’t know about the villain, not sure who would be big and bad enough to require the entire team… Mandarin is IM’s main villain, but I know the wanted to make him more realistic and not as mystical in the movies, so he might not be as powerful as he seems in the comics. Although maybe if they could figure some technological way to make him that threatening…

    Maybe he can command a large robot army or something, lol. :-D

  9. I think we’ll see a gang of super-villains inc; Abomination again and The Leader…who we saw developing in The Hulk movie…in a perfect world…Galactus would be the ultimate challenge for The Avengers…now the the FF movies have stopped..then surley marvel can take control of their own characters like they did with Hulk.

  10. This is just all kinds of exciting. No way this can get messed up. Do it Ultimates style-minuse the aliens.

  11. Well, Fantastic Four was made prior to the whole in-house tactic from Marvel, so was Punisher, so in theory if they can somehow get the rights for FF from Fox, they could just redo the characters and ignore those horrible FF movies… Wouldn’t that be a dream come true??

  12. yeah, that would be a dream come true. But I think it may take a while for fox to give up the rights.
    Although I think I want them to give it up for a different, selfish reason. I would love to see Iron Man fighting Doom on the big screen. Hell, I’ll even take an animated version of Iron Man vs Doctor Doom. The Fantastic Four are cool, but I think it would be really hard for a studio to make a great FF movie like Fav’s did for Iron Man. Their powers are a little cheesey. I dont know, something about Mr Fantastic always seemed silly to me.
    Although I always like seeing the Thing duke it out with Hulk.

    Back to Avengers: Do it ultimates style, like the animated movies, and there wont be many complaints. Most people I’ve come across have come to like those flicks. Sure I’ve heard the knock that it is childish, so for the live adaptation they can just add some adult themes. That movie stylistically was awesome!

  13. just for sake of conversation: Magneto, Dr. Doom, Mandarin and a pissed off HULK vs. avengers would be fun…but then the movie would be over in like 5 minutes, including credits…

    seriously, is it outside the realm of thought to bring in a Franklin Richards from the future? anyone remember Psi-lord or onslaught? i wouldn’t mind seeing references to additional characters outside the avenger mythos…FF, spiderman, xmen…cause after avengers, then what? in comics we crossed over to other comics…so why not at some point an avengers vs. xmen? not till may of 2020 of course…

    how about an Invasion from the kingdom of atlantis lead by Namor? he could have an army of large amphibian soldiers and the studio could create new characters never seen before, suited to combat their equivalent on the avengers…(someone strong, someone fast, ect…) the sub plot could have an environmental issue about polluting the oceans, global warming, and in the end its not a matter of winning the battle, but trying to reform…

    how about a powerful scarlet witch (with some allusions to her father?) or Thanos, although he would be a little “out there” for most people…

    what if they government needs the avengers because they catch wind of an alien invasion and know they don’t have the ability to fight back? like the skrulls…

    ultimately, it has to be a villain that is SOOO bad ass, that no one can single handedly stop him/her…

  14. Good points Comic Geek,,, Avengers is going to have to compete with the coolness that Watchmen is going to bring to the Superhero game,,,

  15. I’d like to see the skrulls, but only if they are established in a different movie first. That way the Avengers movie wont spend 30 minutes trying to explain them. Thats kinda why I want to see the Hulk. If they use characters that have already been established on film, they dont have to waste time on origin stories. Straight to the action. And when you are watching a movie based on a team of superheroes, Im pretty sure youre gonna want to see some serious action.

  16. Why toss in a bunch of random storylines in an origin film like that? Crazy. Plus, bringin aliens into comics was always a bad idea, so lets shy away from tossing that hackneyed excuse for a plot twist in an otherwise very promising film. Give ‘em Ultron or something, but make him powerful enough to require the use of all Avengers. Maybe do Ultron like a Terminator character, who can control all kinds of machines, doing like a skynet thing. That would be pretty tough to fight. But c’mon, they’re the Avengers. They’d figure it out.

  17. Ultron controlling all the machines around him. That would be great. Pit some Stark tech against Iron Man. Maybe by this time in the world marvel is creating, Stark has created numerous different types of armor. Then Ultron takes control of one or several of them. Ultron and his army of Iron Men! Tell me that wouldnt kick some serious A**!!!

  18. (gets on top of soapbox) now when we are all talking about getting straight to the action, we mean this without the expense of character right.
    I mean action is all well and good but if we dont care about these men and woman then all this action will be all flash no substance (i.e transformers) after all wasnt it tony stark molre important to iron man then the showdown with stane? (sorry but I am using only one hand right now)

  19. @G.K
    You’re absolutely right. I love characters that are deep and easy to get attached to. But just because we can have more action in a sequel doesnt mean there will be nothing that attaches us to the characters. Here is what I was thinking: In Iron Man, how long did it take in the movie for the first scenes of Iron Man fighting? It took time to explain why Stark would do what he did and establish how he did it. In the sequel, they wont have to take the time to show his origin, how he built subsequent armors till he got it right. They can launch right into the story. All of the excess time doesnt go into action, some of it can, and the rest can go into the development of the characters. Most of us comic fans already know the origin, and we just want to see the character as we know them. As heroes. Establishing the characters gives the writers more room to show incredible action as well as develop an emotional character driven story.
    Another good example was the Dark Knight and Joker. No true origin story, so there was more room in the movie for all the twisted Joker greatness.

  20. Hi all I just wanna shair something i found in this site
    Supervising the trial of an experimental gamma bomb for the U.S. Defense Department at a nuclear research facility in New Mexico, Dr. Robert Bruce Banner selflessly rushed to the rescue of an ignorant teenager who had wandered onto the testing field as the countdown ticked inexorably toward zero. After shoving young Rick Jones to safety in a nearby ditch, Banner was struck full-force by the bomb blast. He survived, but was irradiated by the deadly gamma energy.
    At first, Banner would transform into the brutish gray Hulk only at sunset, and revert to human form at dawn. Eventually, his changes into the childlike green Hulk came to be triggered by the release of adrenaline when he was intensely excited, no matter what time of day. The green Hulk possesses little of Banner’s memory and intelligence, and is easily enraged; making him a menace to society.

    Since Banner’s initial transformation into the Hulk, military forces commanded by the implacable General Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Ross; father of his late wife, Betty — have hunted him continually.

    For a short time, Banner successfully treated his condition with radiation and was able to maintain enough of his own personality when he became the Hulk to control himself in that form. Subsequently, he helped found the Avengers and even received a presidential pardon. Ultimately, however, the Hulk reverted into a brutish menace.

    Gamma-powered psychiatrist Leonard “Doc” Samson captured the Hulk and successfully separated Banner and his alter ego. Without Banner’s psyche to restrain him, the Hulk became a greater danger than ever before. Realizing there was only one way to reign in the Hulk, Banner agreed to merge with the monster. But the stress of the re-integration fractured Banner’s subconscious, creating the street-smart gray Hulk. During this time, he spent several years in Las Vegas, sometimes operating as an enforcer calling himself Mr. Fixit (or “Joe Fixit.”) The smart-mouth Fixit was an ill-tempered, wise-cracking, thuggish brute whose personality resembled that of his father and the fraternity boys who surrounded him in college. It was also at this time that Joe Fixit began his a short-lived relationship with the future wife of Rick Jones, Marlo Chandler. In this state of the Hulk, Banner again found himself changing into the Hulk at night and into his human form in the light of the day.

    Soon after, the swirling mess of persona and mentalities took their toll on the ever-flustered mind of Dr. Banner, and a battle for supremacy and control took place in Banner’s subconscious. With assistance by the Ringmaster and his hypnotic abilities, Doc Samson tapped into the subconscious of Banner and reached his separate incarnations. Through this hypnosis, Banner, the green Hulk, and the grey Fixit all aligned to face their true inner demons– Banner’s unresolved issues with his abusive father and the murderer of his mother. With this realization, Banner was able to fuse these mentalities together, finding peace of mind. However, a green but intelligent version of the Hulk emerged. He had the mentality of Dr. Banner but the body and abilities of the Hulk.

    Unfortunately Dr. Banner soon realized that he must once again keep his temper in check, as if he let his rage loose, the mentality of the savage green Hulk would soon take over, albeit in the form of Banner’s human body. Without the strength of the Hulk and filled with the Green Goliath’s rage and belief of his old abilities, he proved to be a great danger to himself. This was, however, not to last. During the assault of the being known as Onslaught, the Hulk asked Jean Grey to let the green Hulk loose from its mental prison in order to use his maximum potential and abilities to defeat the menace. In a strange twist, Banner became divided. The Banner physically went away to a parallel world created upon Onslaught’s defeat, where he once again became the savage green Hulk. Remaining on Earth, was a cold, somewhat unfeeling but intelligible version of the jade monster. This version of the Hulk also found himself allied with Apocalypse (En Sabah Nur), who made Hulk into one of his Four Horsemen.

    This surly version of the Hulk remained in this state, never changing until much later when the consciousness of Banner was awakened from a personal hell where he was trapped in his own subconscious and haunted by his memories of his father, his future self (the Maestro), the Leader, and his past Banner and Hulk incarnations. Banner’s freedom and escape from this subconscious hell was only achieved through self-realization and the understanding that his true strength came from within, proving his redemption from his fears. Upon this realization, Banner was guided to consciousness though the visage of his true love, Betty.

    Though never a team player, the Hulk joined forces with the Dr. Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts, and Namor, the Atlantean Sub-Mariner, to defeat the techno-wizard Yandroth and his ultimate computer, the Omegatron. Thereafter, this loose-knit band of Defenders would unite periodically to oppose threats to humanity. The original Defenders reluctantly re-formed when Yandroth surfaced again to menace the world. Though the heroes defeated his plan, Yandroth used his sorcery to levy a deathbed curse upon their heads, binding them to come together in times of crisis.

    After the events of the M-Day, Banner sought refuge and peace in Alaska, where he lived as a hermit loosely connected to the town community. He was eventually tracked down by Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D., who required his help in defeating the Hydra space weapon called the Godseye which could detonate all the nuclear bombs in the world. Sent up as the Hulk, he discovered that the Godseye was actually a rogue S.H.I.E.L.D. weapon that could match the strength of any enemy. In the ensuing battle, the Godseye found that though it could try, it could not match the increasing power of the Hulk, and it exploded. A S.H.I.E.L.D. commissioned space shuttle was sent to retrieve the Hulk, or so he believed. Seizing the opportunity to be rid of the Hulk, a group of superheroes known as the Illuminati decided to jettison the shuttle into space, to a planet with no intelligent life forms. Unfortunately, there was a navigation error, and the Hulk landed on Planet Sakaar, a planet full of barbarian tribes, gladiator battles and ruled over by a corrupt empire. The planet was situated near a portal, which gave it access to several different cultures and technologies. Weakened by his travel, Hulk was taken captive and sold into slavery and sent to the Great Arena to die in the games. After overcoming the first challenge set before him, Hulk was given the opportunity to be pardoned by the Red King, but instead he chose to attack him and was knocked out by the Red King when he became distracted. The Hulk soon joined several others in a group that would have to learn to fight together and, in result, they became warbound. The Hulk and his team of misfit warriors overcame the challenges set before them and became known as great warriors throughout the planet, inspiring many to rebel against the Red King.
    Soon thereafter, Hulk and his team were forced to fight a captured Silver Surfer who struck them fiercely. Hulk, angered by Silver Surfer’s betrayal, attacked the Surfer and inadvertently released him from the disc implant embedded within him. Freed of the implant disc that kept him prisoner, the Surfer destroyed the rest of the implant discs embedded in the rest of the warriors. The Hulk declined the Silver Surfer’s offer of transportation back to his world so as to finish things on Planet Sakaar. Hulk then stood with his freed Warbound companions against the tyrannous Red King.

    After several hard fought battles, the evolution of Miek, and finally gaining the confidence of Caiera the Oldstrong, Hulk and the Warbound confronted the Red King. With those few still loyal to him, the King in his Death’s Head Armor did battle with Hulk. As he soon saw he was no match for the Green Scar, the Red King activated a rupture under the very surface of the planet. In an act of desperation, Hulk leaped into the molten earth and forced the splitting plates back to their proper assemblage, literally saving Sakaar. The Hulk gave the King a finishing blow, knocking him clear of the city walls. Finally, the Wildebots came upon the Red King and finished him off once and for all.

    Hulk was proclaimed the Green King, and all those on Sakaar worshiped him and his Queen, Caiera. She told her king that she would bear him a child, and it seemed that the Hulk’s life of running and fighting was over. However, the Hulk was not destined for a happy ending as the ship that brought him to that world soon exploded, killing his wife and unborn child sending Banner into a rage like no other. He and his Warbound journeyed to Earth seeking revenge on the planet’s heroes for their part in Sakkar’s destruction. Once they arrived, the Hulk crushed Black Bolt on Attilan and took the city of New York as his battleground. Iron Man, Mister Fantastic and Doctor Strange all fell before the Hulk and his Warbound too. Even old sparring partners such as the X-Men as well as new threats like the Gamma Corps couldn’t even slow the Hulk’s rampage.

    Hulk fitted his defeated foes with Obedience Disks just like the ones he and the other gladiators on Sakaar were forced to wear and made them battle one another in order to experience the ordeal he was put through. It wasn’t until the Hulk prevented Mister Fantastic from killing Tony Stark during one of the gladiator matches that he revealed his true intentions. Hulk claimed he came home for justice, not murder, but Hulk does not want the world to forget what he feels their heroes truly are: liars, traitors and killers. No matter how many times Stark or Richards try to explain they had nothing to do with the shuttle explosion that killed his adopted home world, the Hulk will not listen.

    Soon a nearly insane Sentry arrives on the scene and a cataclysmic battle ensues between him and Hulk. Sentry unleashed forces that nearly destroyed what was left of New York, but ultimately, Hulk averted that disaster by defeating the Sentry. Having reverted back to the form of Bruce Banner, it seemed that World War Hulk had come to an end. However, Miek had other plans. Miek tried to injure Banner, so he would transform back to his gamma powered counterpart, but Rick Jones pushed Banner out of the way only to have Miek’s spear thrust through his body. Miek got what he wanted, and Banner did turn back into the Hulk but it was only because he intended to destroy the Hive King for stabbing his friend. Miek continued to explain how it was really his plan to let Hulk think the heroes of Earth destroyed Sakaar as he watched men loyal to the Red King load an old warp core onto the Hulk’s shuttle in hopes that it would kill him. Now faced with the truth, Hulk’s anger was completely out of control, and as he told the heroes he would hate them forever because this would never have happened if not for their interference, he also told Tony Stark to stop him because he hated himself as well for his part in the destruction.

    Stark called upon the combined power of various satellites to finally put an end to the Hulk’s rampage. Banner was taken into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody and was placed three miles below the Mojave Desert. The Warbound was also placed in S.H.I.E.L.D. custody, but they escaped after saving New York from being split in half by an expanding chasm the Hulk created.

    - reading this it tell em that Hulk is stroger than any super heroes in marvel I guess.

  21. Also next year they are releasing Thor vs. Hulk, so we may get a taste of the 2 epic heroes fight.

  22. Wow JBRREX, I didn’t bother to read all that, but good for you! So…anyways, Hulk fights Avengers-sounds cool.

  23. Hulk vs Thor is gonna be freakn sweet! Has anyone seen the trailer for that? What about Wolverine vs The Hulk? That comes out in January, and they have a trailer out for that too. The animation styles looks great and it seems to be geared towards an older audience, as I noted some profanity coming from Wolverine.
    I think you can still find both the trailers on If not I’m sure they are on Youtube. Why isnt anyone talking about these movies? Marvels recent animated releases ( Ultimate Avengers 1 and 2, The Invincible Iron Man,Doctor Strange and Young Avengers) have all been very good, and these look to be on par with all of them. I’ll be checking them out for sure.

  24. I saw both trailer (Hulk vs. Thor and Wolverine vs. The Hulk) in Young Avengers DVD. I guess Marvel wants to recover old fan and to include the new Generation.

  25. What about the hulk being brainwashed. I mean maybe if he’s controlled by somebody, say for instance the leader then that would be interesting. I’d find it hard to see my childhood hero turn villain. I know they’ve done that in the past and recently with the World War Hulk but now I think they need to keep the sympathetic side of Dr. Banner, remember it could just easily be interpreted that Stark is misdirected in trying to hunt down the hulk and might have to learn painfully the error of his ways. You know Bruce loses it being chased all his life and turns angry.
    They might even bring in Professor X to help control him, that would be my dream movie.

  26. I agree wityh Emlyn Davis! (above) I wrote an email to Vic earlier today…

    I think the Avengers SHOULD fight the Hulk, who is unwittingly acting as the Leader’s “puppet”. Then when the Avengers “cut the strings” the Hulk completes the Avenger team as they battle Leader together. (Leader is who Mr. Blue turns into in The Incredible Hulk, a sort of “intelectual Hulk” So it just seems to make sense. :)

  27. Thanks Jim for the agreement. Oh and congrats to all americans on ur new presdient.

    Now I’m new to the whole comic lore of Marvel, more of a tv junkie rather than comic reader. I do hear something of a red hulk in the comics now could that be something ot do with the avengers? If I’m wrong, who is he? Is it Bruce Banner or another abomination?

  28. His name is Madman… apparently he is Samuel Sterns (Leader) brother…

  29. Oh btw… In the beginning of TIH, Hulk tells Bromsky and his soldiers “Leave me alone”. You have to listen close though, but it is there.