Batman, in my opinion is the only DC product that actually has the chops and the goods to be adopted into the Marvel family. His story is believable and there's always been a debate (in the comics) of whether Bat's is actually insane, or even suffering from a personality disorder. The joker always pointed this out, and had believed that he and Bat's are basically the same people because while the Joker is outrightly nuts and shows it, he (the joker) finds something nutty about a guy who lives in a dark cave, with live bats mind you, and is anti-social. Basically, one nutcase can easily spot another.

To me, Bats is basically Marvel, and i can see him in the marvel family.

Batman, in my opinion is the only DC product that actually has the chops and the goods to be adopted into the Marvel family. His story is believable and there's always been a debate (in the comics) of whether Bat's is actually insane, or even suffering from a personality disorder. The joker always pointed this out, and had believed that he and Bat's are basically the same people because while the Joker is outrightly nuts and shows it, he (the joker) finds something nutty about a guy who lives in a dark cave, with live bats mind you, and is anti-social. Basically, one nutcase can easily spot another.

To me, Bats is basically Marvel, and i can see him in the marvel family.

Of course we all learned years later that Iris didn’t really die and that ruined the whole story, as DC usually does. But a film wouldn’t have to make the same mistake.

No, you’re not. Give us another villain, PLEASE.

Vic

I think Marvel’s movies are doing it the right way, first introducing some heroes in their own stories and backgrounds, and now slowly moving towards an Avengers movie. Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man 1 & 2 are good examples of well-made superhero movies that can also be good introductions for these characters to be in The Avengers movie.

About a JLA movie, what DC and WB are lacking is just that: not enough characters properly introduced to the big screen yet. Justice League may be a lot about Superman and Batman, but even these two are far from ready for a JLA movie.

First, we need another good Batman movie to complete the trilogy, see the character truly evolve and deal with the situation that The Dark Knight has left him in. Then we’d need a damn good sequel to Superman Returns, which in my opinion wasn’t a really bad movie, just kind of a simple one, a plain re-introduction of the character. If I remember well, B. Singer said somewhere he had plans for a sequel where Superman would face more challenge and a greater enemy, and Singer promised to go all ”Wrath of Khan” on that one. (yes, he is a big Star Trek fan hehe)

So who knows, maybe if these 2 movies get made first and work well, then we could see more DC characters appear and eventually a JL movie can take place. But rushing things and trying to do a JLA movie right now just to try and catch up with the Avengers project would not only be unrealistic, it would be plain stupid… and could even ruin the possibility of some future good movies getting made about the DC heroes.

I like Marvel ALOT, but I am also a fan of DC’s staple characters (Batman, Superman, JL) and I think that the villains in the DC realm are a bit more believable than some of the Marvel ones. Joker and Lex Luthor come to mind. Yes, they aren’t physically as strong, but they are fantastic, realistic, chilling villains nonetheless. NOt to say that DC doesn’t have it’s share of cornball villains and heroes, but label them as more unbelievable than Marvel is just wrong, IMO.

My impression of DC is that their heroes don’t really have great villains who can challenge them physically. A lot of the characters are just weird. Marvel has its fair share of ridiculous characters but DC I’ve always found very unbelievable in general.

I do think the non-continuity stuff that DC has published is really great and it’s really the only DC stuff I’ll read as I don’t have to worry about continuity.

I can still read classic Stan Lee Spider-man and still enjoy it today even though I know they’re dated. I’ve tried reading some of the really old Superman, Batman stuff and I just can’t get into it. A lot of it is really cheesy with no emotional resonance.

Yeah, that’s a good point. They need to make the plot involve something more complex than “Superman Smash!”

I don’t like how they’ve started using Clark Kent as comedic relief, either. In many ways Superman thinks of himself as being Clark, the inverse of Batman, who thinks of himself as being Batman rather than Bruce Wayne.

The filmmakers need to understand that about the character and approach the character from that angle. And why waste a good premise: Clark Kent is an INVESTIGATIVE reporter. Add some complexity or mystery to the plot! Add a plot, period!

Vic

Have you seen the Richard Donner version of Superman 2? It’s MUCH better than the original theatrical version.

They put so much bizarre crap in that one that it was ridiculous… cellophane “S,” tractor beams from fingertips (there’s a super-power I wasn’t aware of), and my favorite: Superman’s “forgetfulness kiss.”

Duh.

Vic

I reread my post and realized that it didn’t come out the way it wanted it to. I know that Zod was from the comics; I didn’t mean to imply that HIS character is what made Superman 2 so great (although that was a huge part of it!) What I was getting at is that in that movie Superman was challenged to use ALL his abilities, not just his superpowers. He had to use his brains AND his humanity to defeat Zod and his cohorts. There is no reason why a talented screenwriter can’t make up a powerful villain that requires him to do the same.

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