Is Heroes Season 3 Awesome Or Ridiculous?

i definitly like this season more than last season. the only thing that has really bothered this season so far is the weird thing with sylar and claire’s brain… that was just… wierd to me…that we were like seeing a brain and sylar was touching it… i can’t explain it, just WEIRD. Other than that, i’m liking it so far.

Paige, when it comes to a guy drooling over someone’s open skull and brain–I don’t think you have to “explain it.” I get it!

My family has given up on it, and my neighbors have given up on it. That first season was bizzare and fun, but now it’s just bizzare. Too much anime, I’d like some realism, less characters, and especially less everyone-is-each-other’s-brother-and-sister.

Sylar should have been the good guy in season 2. Peter should have died, and remain died. Balances on Hiro’s as well as everyone else’s powers should have been declared at the start of season 2. No lightning girl. They might as well of had Sarresh and the Cop married in season 2. It’s trendy, and all the other shows do it. Come on, don’t you want Heroes to be cool and popular?

Too much to name, too many others things to do then watch live NBC anime.

The only show I’m really looking forward to watch is Pushing Daisies. There’s something about that show that’s just plain-old simple fun.

{ANDO}

I get your English….I’ve curved my neck like a hoot owl but sitll don’t get

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I loved the first season and I honestly don’t get all the hate for season 2. I thought it was good just got screwed by the writers strike like every other show. This season seems a bit much and is just going way out there. It’s still entertaining and I still plan to watch every episode, but it’s not on the top of my list anymore. There was a time it was competing with The Shield for me on what was better now it’s fallen way behind.

I am pretty tired of the “Save the Future” storylines, which basically all three seasons have been. I would like to see a season where they confront a crisis on the fly.

But overall I think this season is a major improvement from last season. Maybe not 100% on par to season 1, but not nearly as bad as everyone likes to make it out to be.

Basically, I think Vic is pretty much on point. Season 2 went too far in one direction, and they have swung it back too far in the other to compensate. Plus, I think they forgot that probably the best episode from Season 1 was Company Man, which dealt with the past, not the future.

They need to get back to that, and back to an equal balance of action and drama.

I’m starting to see a lot of plot holes–how did future Peter die? I thought he was indestructible thanks to Claire. Does Sylar hide his powers? Is that why Peter(s) couldn’t get them?

heath

I’ll answer the question, Vic.

Things seem so chaotic because twists are happening in multiple phases of time. There’s an onslaught of plot twists/holes now but I suspect things will die down as Peter and Parkman discover the sequence of events that lead to the future world.

There is a destination, but it’s one I’m not willing to go to.

I like the new season, but I fear that they need a continuity director. Episode 4 of Season 3 has so many flaws, it’s as if the person that wrote that episode has never seen the show before. A minor issue is that Mohinder leaves a message on his digital recorder. That message then warps as it transitions to the future. Yet when they go back to the past, Mohinder leaves another message on the recorder. So apparently the last message Mohinder left that warped was the second to last entry? A major issue is the continuity of Peter. Claire shoots “future” Peter (with the scar) in the head. How did that kill him? He has Claire’s ability and cannot die. So I thought “the Haitian must be there and he cannot heal” and in the scene where Future Peter and Present Peter are lying on a table, the Haitian is there so they cannot use their powers. Nathan comes in and dismisses Claire and the others out of the room. Present Peter cannot use his powers at first. But later in the scene, he can. So that would indicate that the Haitian is far enough away that powers can now be used. Yet Future Peter still lies dead on the table? That my friends is a continuity error. Present Peter SURVIVED A NUCLEAR BLAST when Future Sylar blew up. Yet apparently two bullets from Claire’s gun can kill the Future (more powerful) Peter? Which leads me to perhaps the most ill thought out issue with this story arc. Why does Peter need Sylar’s ability? HE ALREADY HAS IT! Maybe it is to “understand” the powers he has like Sylar, but you introduce the “hunger” aspect of it. Sylar kills the people in order to obtain their power. He does not have a thirst to kill for killing’s sake. In Season one he even states (I’m paraphrasing), “Why would I blow up New York? I don’t kill innocent people there is nothing in it for me.” So you have established that he kills to get super’s powers not JUST to kill. Yet Peter now has the “hunger?” He attacks and kills Future Nathan…Why? Peter does not need to examine another evolved person’s brain to obtain their power…He just needs to be in close vicinity of them to absorb it. Also…HE ALREADY HAS NATHAN’S POWERS!!!!!! There is no rhyme or reason for him to do that. There may be a great desire in Peter now to have the powers of other people, but that hunger would be satisfied before it ever surfaced the moment he was close to them. I ask, do these guys not watch the show they write? Also no mention of West or Monica? At all? Season 2 had West as a key role in Clair’s world. Now we have no idea what ever became of him. Not even the slightest of explanatory sentences to let the viewers know what happened? If he is being introduced later on, then that introduction will have no weight behind it since we have no idea where he is been this whole time. We have no idea the motives or emotions that took place when Claire and he separated. They need to hire a continuity director. If they have one, then I beg them to please evaluate their performance.

TalynRider,

I appreciate the answer. So I guess one continuity error explained…thirty more to go.

Peter doesn’t need Sylars powers, or didn’t need to kill Nathan since he already had it, Peter wouldn’t hunger kill fto feed the hunger since he can absorb their power without killing, No mention of West, No mention of Monica,

I’m sure there are many many more. Maybe the writer’s strike brought in writers that never saw or were fans of the show?

There is nothing out there that will make me think that the season 3 is not good enough. Is the best season so far. People complain about everything, they are never satisfied. In response to the last message (mootaku) i have to say that ‘copy’ the power is very different of ‘understand’ it. The ‘hunger’ is hunger for knowledge and not to take powers from anyone. Please, don’t ‘create’ some reason to not like this season…if you don’t get it OK, but don’t make any bad comment without think about it. Season 1 was great because was new stuff. The second was really bad because people want more action and less conversation. Now that we have more action….people have to invent an away to critic too.
Heroes RULES until now in this season 3.

How many people think the coolest part this season so far is seeing HRG and Sylar on a mission together to stop the 4 villains in the bank?

*raises hand*

I’m hoping alot of people liked that part - if so, that’s my point. We want that - MORE of that and extend upon in. Have villains doing their plots and teams of good guys stopping them. The twist is who’s on who’s side like Sylar working for the good guys.

There really hasn’t been much action as many are saying - there’s been a lot of special effects - but not much power vs. power fights. I think that may appease alot of fans, but who knows.

I’m interested in seeing what this season is leading to, these 4 episodes have all been build-up in a sense.

Shaka,

I started the rant with the following, “I LIKE THE NEW SEASON.”

I am not complaining and saying I hate the show. On the contrary I am complaining because I LIKE the show. The problem is that the creators and writers of the show are asking us to invest time and sometimes money to enjoy their product. We only need to suspend disbelief on certain aspects of the characters. They then tell us a story with rules if you will. They break their own rules (ie the continuity) and then still expect us to be okay with that. They say in two season “suspend disbelief that Peter and Claire can not die.” We say “okay,” Then they tell us “Peter can die.” but offer no explanation as to why and how this can happen. That contradicts what they have asked from us before hand. “Suspend disbalief that Peter can absorb powers by being in close vicinity of super heroes.” again we say “okay” now they say…”Peter can’t absorb Sylar’s powers unless he fixes a watch.” and I say “HUH WTF?” and the list goes on.

If you want to turn off your brain and accept spoonfuls of whatever they want to feed you without accountability of any sort, then by all means… Watch the pretty pictures flashing on your screen and enjoy. To people that are fans of the show… Maintain continuity so that the whole premise of the show doesn’t unravel. Continuity is important. That’s why people couldn’t accept that R2 hung out with obi wan since he was 17 then in Star Wars episode 4 obi wan had no clue who R2 was.

Vic,

If that was aimed at me you are incorrect. I was not attempting to “insult” anyone. I am stating a fact. His argument is basically “don’t complain about something that is good.” My argument is that People that are into the details of the show have to call foul when they see it since they enjoy the show. You have to “turn off your brain” not because you are stupid, but in order to miss the obvious contradictions in the continuity of this latest episode. I apologize if that phrase offended you (although I can’t see how), and will attempt to watch my phrasing in further posts.

I’m on board with all of those who mention the “Save the Future” plot lines. It is starting to get a little old. I understand the inclusion of time travel powers are going to bring that aspect but it’s starting to wear thin.

The characters are still running around the same hamster wheel. I was hoping to see more cohesion by now. More solid lines of good and bad would be nice. The flip flop factor is getting to be a bit much.

I realize modern superhero stories are very gray and on the line. Look at recent marvel stories. No more black and white, good vs bad. (Hell I’m even starting to consider Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic as more villain based than heroes these days) It’s all very gray and the lines are blurred so I understand a modern superhero story going that route. I was just hoping for more black and white I guess. Some throwbacks to the golden age of comics wouldn’t hurt. I was hoping to see proper teams form by now. Maybe a cheesy shoutout to a superhero costume. That sort of thing.

It just feels like the writers are pulling their ideas from the same page and seem stuck after introducing time travel.

Don;t get me wrong, I’m an avid fan and will watch until the last episode…. I just hope that last episode doesn’t involve repairing the future… yet again.

Looking at how the ratings are falling (badly I might add), HEROES is either dead at the end of this season or it returns for a 4th year completely re-tooled with few returning characters.

That, and Tim Kring gets fired as executive producer/show-runner.

Jamie.

The writers have definitely lost the strong character development of season one. The promised action buildup for this season hasn’t yet delivered to me. The villians seem a bit weak considering all the hype. Sylar took them all out without trying. I didn’t like them starting season 2 farther into the future was a bit screwed up. The changing a possible bad future twist is getting old. Are we going to start up another mile long rant on Heroes again?

I have to say, I like this season. Seriously, though, guys-how can you not like Sylar this season? I really enjoyed the whole “taking control of the crime scene” bit outside the bank, and Future Gabriel. Just awesome. Though, I must say, I have to agree about Future Peter’s scar, and that it shouldn’t be there.

I didn’t read all of the comments, but in case no one answered it.

The reason Peter is able to die despite “having” Claire’s power is that he has to think of how that person makes him feel in order to use their power. At least that is the way his “flying” ability was explained all the way back in season one. He was able to fly when he thought about his brother.

Forgive me, but

@jc:

There is no Tom!! It’s Matt, alright? Matt Parkman. You don’t even have the character’s name right.

“I’m actually not clear on what exact power Peter needed from Sylar since he (Peter) absorbs the super power of others just by being nearby.”

What Peter needed was Sylar’s power to understand the inner workings of things, an ability that would help him figure out the big plot. However, Sylar was purposely not letting Peter take his power at first because he didn’t want Peter cursed with the “hunger” that comes with it. That was why Peter couldn’t gain Sylar’s power automatically, like he usually does.

*raises hand to Rob’s comment*

Personally I loved the first season. I found a major difference to other shows was that I knew characters by name and who they were, not just what they can do. It was the characters that got me into this show, and the constant feel of building to something.

Second season I still enjoyed. Messy, yes, and would have liked to have seen more of some of the pairings, especially Parkman and Nathan.
Interestingly, the reaction in the UK wasn’t nearly as displeased with season two. All I spoke to in different places enjoyed it. Maybe as we had heard the initial reaction from the States and were expecting less. Not sure.

As for this season, I’m into it again, but have to admit to being worried. Like others, it seems to me this time they’re going too fast. So yeah, I’m dreading this turning into Mutant X!

But still, Sylar and HRG together is very cool. Two of the best characters by far - although still enjoy Hiro and Ando.
Popcorn?

Absolute trash. I loved series one though I felt it became somewhat ungrounded towards the end. Series two was a mess but compared to three it was genius. Ridiculous abilities (Knox, Future Peter hiding someone inside another person’s body???!?!!), pointless plot twists (Mama Sylar, why bother?), characters returning from the dead, no coherent plot, serious retconning regarding peoples abilities, rehashed storylines (ANOTHER world/city destroying explosion).
Peter is a complete tool “LOL I can stop time but I think I’ll just get beat up by this guy instead”. His character, along with Sylar have been completely ruined (Sylar’s “hunger”) and Angela Petrelli is a pathetic bad guy.
I used to love Heroes but I’m seriously considering giving up with it. Episode 4 was so terrible. Even worse than episode 3.

John “Kahless” Taylor: The Haitian, who can take others’ powers away and cause memory loss, was standing close to Peter when Claire shot him, so his abilities weren’t working at the time.

sononsj,

does that mean the show is turning into non-gene oriented. The first season had the very cool element of basing it in reality and having alot of focus on the science of it.

Now its nothing like that at all, and you can eat nasty paste to have powers? Where was this paste before? Can the other characters buy it on ebay? lol. I wonder if they have a paste for lightning. And how about that music, I wonder if HMV carries that.

I wonder if the paste consists of that dude’s blood. That’s my only explanation.

@sononsj

And the Haitian is another continuity problem; in season 1, I believe, the Haitian and HRG were about to get Nathan but Nathan, in his pajamas, flew away. How did he do this when the Haitian was around him? Also, once the Haitian was gone, the future Peter’s powers should have returned (reference Claire in 1st season when she was hit in the back of the head and died but once the shard was removed, she revived).

also, when i say, “no one knows if he can still heal” I mean, i don’t remember a time that he did.

@ParrotSoup

I like this season as well but I can’t help but see these problems. I’m a huge Star Trek fan and I can point out many continuity problems with it (mostly because Braga and Berman were idiots). I’m hoping the writers are leading up to something. I also hope they somehow mature-up Hiro (he’s really getting annoying).

Here’s my theory on why future Peter didn’t revive:
Claire’s powers don’t work when whatever foreign object that killed her is still ‘embedded’ in her body. Same with Peter in the earlier seasons. Peter was very much dead, before Claire pulled out the large shard of glass lodged in the back of his head. He coughed and revived pretty much right after. Perhaps the bullets from Future Claire’s gun haven’t been removed? That might be why Future Peter is still dead. I still don’t know how to explain the scar issue though…^^”‘

Ever since season 1 we have known about future Peter’s scar, so this is not a new concept. I think Peter somehow will lose the ability to regenerate at some point. That would also explain how he got killed when Claire shot him. Having the bullets in his body should not be an impediment if he could regenerate. Remember Sylar also got shot by Noah, and his body pushed the bullets out and Sylar revived…

Why don’t people just wait and see if these anomalies are cleared up later in the series. For instance, we are waiting for appearances from Molly, Monica and West. Also do people think Adam will come back? Didn’t Sylar shoot Maya in season 2?
Is confusing but one thing is becoming clearer: the Haitian is central to everything.
Just seems silly for fans to criticise it for lack of overall coherence, I mean it is such a headf*ck of a programme that it will takes most of the season for things to fall into place, with loads of “Oh I get it now” moments.
Either that or it will blow massively

This show is the poster child for how NOT to use time travel. That plus characters behaving stupidly and against their nature to fulfill plot points all show the writers do not understand the genre they are writing in.

Power without a price - a personal price that is - makes for uninvolving stories, which is exactly what has happened in the third season.

What a fall from grace this show has had.

@Leaf

We’ve already seen molly in the 4th episode when matt see’s the future.

Adam gets dug out of the coffin by Hiro and Ando at the end of ep 4

Sylar did shoot Maya but Mohinder gave her claire’s blood as proof to Sylar of the healing powers.

Otherewise I agree…how many people got season 1 untill the end of it?

I’m enjoying season 3…and I reckon things will fall into place eventually

And for everyone else…Future Peter didn’t heal because the Haitian was there..which is why Present Peter couldn’t simply fly away later.

I’m not sure about in the hospital later, but doesn’t it take a while to heal from injuries like that anyway?
Or if the formula is out, then could they have just freezed future Peter’s abilities…
Just a thought is all
xD

Seriously though, if you don’t like it why watch it, then bother coming to a site to read about it, just to moan….too much effort for something you don’t like surely?

The twist with Sylar being Angela’s son actually did not bother me. Remember how they kept saying in Season 1 that the whole thing with the “bomb” exploding in New York was a plot, a plan engineered by some (in the company). It seems to me that everything had been planned for years, and that Angela, as well as Linderman and others, had been manipulating Peter, Nathan, and even Sylar and others. So, the fact that Syalr is related to Peter and Nathan actually makes me understand better how Angela, Linderman, and the company were able to manipulate, or almost, manipulate them to carry out their plan.

I agree that the main problem with the show right now is continuity and contradiction. Another example of this is how Hiro has power over time, not just stopping it but pushing it forward and rolling it back as we see him doing in his office before Ando comes in. The only time Hiro can not fully control his time pausing ability is when he doubts it, like when he was getting the sword early on. This should not currently be a problem as he is fully manipulating time in his office just moments before “the formula” is stolen. So he doesn’t just slow time really slow he fully manipulates it.

One thing I hate about Peter is that he wouldnt have to run from anybody in the future except the Haitian. It shows that he has very precise teleportation abilities so he can go anywhere in the world at any time. Or he could even stop time like he did in the first episode of S3 when he took the gun from Claire. Hmm lets see what else, oh yeah he can turn invisible, read minds, control minds, fly, shapeshift(as in to past Peter w/out the scar), and basically do anything anyone else can do, even the Haitian because he has been around Peter not using his ability so Peter would have absorbed it too. Obviously future Peter has absorbed even more abilities so this running from anyone, especially Claire, doesn’t make sense.

I agree that future Peter is probably not dead just cant recover until the bullet is removed from his head, much like the glass or the shard or any number of things that the healers have done.

Sylar is the only thing saving this season right now for me, much like the Hiro/Adam Monroe story did for me in season 2.

The show is becomming more and more ridiculous, gruesom, and salacious. The storyline seems more jumbled and incoherrent than ever. “Heroes” now makes about as much sense as a Spike-Lee screenplay. (Anyone who has seen Miracle at St Anna will know what I’m talking about)

I for one am not dissapointed on the show, and really am enjoying Season 3. I agree that, just like with Season 1, we are supposed to feel confused. That’s part of what makes the show interesting. It’s good to shake things up a bit, instead of making it all too predictable. Again, though, my only fear is for the show to leave plot holes or contradict itself. Well, I should add a “too much” to that last sentence, since practiacally all series or movie sagas end up with some continuity problems and/or plotholes… To those of you who, like me, enjoy Season 3 so far, I am happy for you. If you don’t like Season 3, though, you can be patient to see if it gets better, or maybe just watch movie instead

I give you the thing with Ando. I wasn’t happy at all that Hiro killed him, but I am actually hoping that things are not what they look like, as it is the case usually with this show.

Thank you Princess! I thought I was going to have an anneurism because like 4 people kept referring to Parkman as Tom when his name is, in fact, Matt. Maybe the reason no one really knows his name is because no one cares. He’s a negligible character at best. The writers keep coming up with ways to tie him into the storyline, but its forced. He isn’t necessary to the grand scheme of things the way they’re writing it. And the whole deal with Sylar and Peter switching places-pisses me off. Its like, saying, “Oh, sorry for never developing the story lines we started and giving no closure to them whatsoever, so we’re gonna start something completely new to distract you and move on. But don’t worry, it’ll be full of save the future, everyone’s related somehow, morally ambigious twists. Are they heroes? Are they villains? God, its gotten so stupid. I have ten thousand questions, and I have a feeling they’ll never answer them. The why future Peter died question is simple. With the Haitian present, it rendered him powerless, and he died. That’s how he got the scar. That’s why when present day Peter returned, he still had the cuts that future Claire gave him. He can’t heal retroactively. Evil Claire is one of the few things I dig, because its not a stretch. She turns because of her father’s constant deception, and decides to create her own absolutes after he knocks off people who are just misunderstood to “protect his family.” Anyone else tired of hearing HRG backing up his terribly motivated morally depraved actions with, “I’m doing it for my family.” I loved at the end of season one, when he became real for a brief time. “Call me Noah,” and then season two’s like, “Uh, wait, no, he’s still not a good guy.” Uggghh!! Oh, and a great question, what happened to Micah, and Molly, and Monica, and Caitlin? All the others were mentioned, except that poor little Irish girl that got stuck in the future with the virus, and somehow Peter was in love with her yet forgot all about her. Oh, and why bring back Maury Parkman, and Linderman and Adam Monroe? I mean, Malcom MacDowell’s awesome, but that’s no reason to screw with continuity. I get that he’s a hallucination, but why pick that form? I mean, he could’ve used Peter to get to Nathan, or Claire. Jeez. Oh, and please, get rid of Claire’s fake mom somehow(she’s annoying, and plus, that could be the final thread tying Claire and HRG that turns her evil.) Please let Nathan and Tracy save Mohinder! He’s one of the few truly good people on the show. I mean, Matt’s a good guy, but he’s so boring nobody cares. Mohinder needs to be human again. He shouldn’t be a villain. When they said they were going to do a season 3 called villains, I thought that meant that the characters we’d seen all along in “heroes” were going to have to fight these mysterious other people with powers, that would use them to harm people. When they showed the level 5 rogues gallery, I was like, heck yeah, Peter and the gang are gonna have to lock them back up, and become real heroes! But no, no its all wrong! And enough of the “everybody’s-related to-everybody-else” crap. Its creepy. The Petrelli family might as well take credit for all superpowered people. I mean, maybe Maya is just the result of a fling Arthur had while he was chilling in south america. BTW that was one thing I really enjoyed about season 3 so far. Mohinder hit that, and he hit it good. So, maybe, they’ll fix it all somehow, but I doubt it, unless they make me a writer. It would be awesome if Sylar really is nathan’s brother, but he and Peter were switched at birth, so Peter isn’t a Petrelli at all. Angela just took him in because she knew he’d be more powerful than both her sons. And then, it won’t be totally creepy when him and Claire hook up(you know its gonna happen). As far as the speedy chick(whose name I haven’t bothered to learn yet) I like the idea of introducing her to make Parkman a real person again. The spirit-journey, kinda gay, but maybe necessary. Maybe this is him coming into his own, and he’ll be a real hero finally. Hiro and Ando? No complaints. These guys can do no wrong. They’re the light-hearted relief of the show, that eventually become the heartbreaking friends-turned-enemies. I don’t think Hiro really killed Ando. After all, dude can control time. He might have frozen time, said, “Hey Ando, look really hurt when I used this plastic sword to burst the ketchup packets I filled your shirt with” and then played it out so he could prove he was “very bad-ass.” God, that line killed me. (Seemingly not as much as it killed Ando) but it was hilarious.

Dude, the wall is vast, but that’s the size of the problems season 3 has.

I agree with you, Shelley, to some extent only. The mistrust Hiro feels towards Ando is already part of that human element you (and we all) look for. It feels like we are missing some of that “human element” that we had in Season 1.

On the other hand, not all of the human elements have to bee good. Aside from the Hiro and Ando relationship, we have Peter’s conflict with his mother and his brother, Sylar. He has to deal with the fact that future Sylar was a good guy but he still doesn’t trust him in the present (and hates him). In addition, Nathan’s own conflict with his mother. We also have Claire’s mixed emotions about her father and Sylar. I loved when she was forced to hold on to Sylar, the monster that tortured her. And also Claire’s realization that not everything they say about these “villains” is necessarily true, as was the case with the guy who creates vortexes. So, there is plenty of emotions around, in my opinion. It may be that there are so many things happening that it takes a while to digest it all.

This latest episode AGAIN has continuity errors.

So Sylar who stole the power of super hearing from the rap listening grease monkey in season one…COULDN’T hear the conversation between Noah and the portal black guy at the end of the episode?

I mean he was less than 50 feet away.

Hiro kills ando? for no reason. Oh wait they mentioned a group Daphne was starting with absolutely no build up or establishing desire within Hiro?

I give this show one more episode and if they don’t fix these blatant errors…I’m done.

I guess, Roberto, maybe “human element” isn’t the right phrase. As you’ve pointed out, there ARE a lot of human traits that run through it. I guess I’d just like to see the positive connections in there more. Claire can be confused about her dad or wonder what is going on with Peter but making her so mistrustful takes away from her appeal–makes her a little more one-dimensional perhaps–and there is little rooting value. Where before you could see the goodness brought out by her family, making her a killer in hopes of adding a layer to the character just helps erase what we like about her most–her good heart and lovingness. Nikki had undying love for Micah but they are gone. Nathan hasn’t had a wife or family to keep him grounded since season one–now its all turmoil with his mom and brother and Claire. Matt is alone, Suresh is basically a loner dealing with his own turmoil in a vacuum, the Heroes introduced last season and this season have no connection to the people already on canvas and that makes them hard to accept. I think just too many jumps to the future (and Hiro’s drawn-out and fruitless jump to the past last year) in orfer to add layers for us to “figure out” have taken away from the opportunities to be invested in the actual characters.

Vic, that link took me to an HP site to download a file for an HP printer. I tried it twice and got the same thing.

Got it! And I agree, Tim Kring and company need to take notes. I thought about maybe an alien invasion where the players (good and bad) had to band together to fight an impending attack but that has killed a number of shows.

The reversal thing would be ok if it didn’t just take characters and destroy them. People don’t change so drastically in life for the most part. I mean basically at this point some of the characters are so different that the only thing about them that is the same are the actor and the name. Peter went from the most moral and the most “good” of them all to suddenly and evil super villain ? Sylar doing the opposite ? Sorry can’t buy it.

About the heroe/villain thing, it seems like, for the most part, I am defending the show, but anyway… I think Sylar’s change is extreme, yes, but not totally unprescedented. Remember in Season 1 how he didn’t want to become a monster and blamed (and killed in the end) Mohinder’s father for “making” him this way (i.e., blaming him for awakening his “hunger”, which is what future Sylar did to Peter)? He also went to his adoptive mother and tried to quit his old ways, but even his mom tried to kill him after he got carried away with the snow globes…

Seriously, I like how they’re making some sense of the lines of power.

There are some powers that can be grouped together, and some of those have family lines. There are mimicking powers (Sylar, Peter, Monica).

There are mind powers. (Matt & his father, Angela, Charles DeVeaux, Molly)

There are visual powers-the shapeshifter/illusionist, Invisible Man.

There are characters whose powers involve changing the physical environment (the gold guy, frigid Nikki, DL, the object dissolving guy).

There are motion powers (flight, running fast) and healing powers.

There are energy release powers (nuclear man, Elle).

There are time and space powers (Hiro, vortex man)

How do these powers interrelate? How are they passed on? Why did Nathan have infused powers? Is an eclipse integral to the existence of Heroes? (The main logo, the 2nd Season eclipse in ancient China)

What powers did Hiro’s father have? (Speculation: the ability to be in many places at the same time. Like Multiple Man. Each instance of him would be slightly out of phase with the others, but for all practical purposes, they could operate in complete unison.

John,

I believe Mrs. Petrelli said that Sylar and Peter’s powers were hereditary, while Nathan’s (and the Nikki triplets) were induced.