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October 13th, 2008 

Regarding the title of my previous post, yes, I was wondering if Heroes had jumped the tracks, plus I wrote it to encourage discussion based on the vibe of previous comments. No “fooling” anyone involved there.

As far as this season goes, I just watched tonight’s episode, and it’s official: I’m sick to DEATH of Hiro.

What happened with Ando will OBVIOUSLY be reversed by a quick jump back in time, and that’s one of the most infuriating things about this show. Why, just a little earlier didn’t he just time jump back to before he got clocked in the bar????? I mean, seriously, WTF? There have been multiple instances in this show where screw ups could have been fixed via a whopping 2 minute jump back in time, yet for some reason, Hiro NEVER does it. He’s not only clueless, the character is starting to border on retarded.

Ando gave the best summary of their exploits as “heroes” I’ve heard on the show: As heroes, they suck.

And as far as the formula and “we split it up so no one could get their hands on it.” Are you kidding me? It’s THAT dangerous, it exists on only two pieces of paper, and you didn’t just put a damned match to it?

And then there’s Suresh - I suppose the excuse with turning him from a goody two shoes into a friggin’ sociopath is that the serum has affected his mind, right?

Sure, the show has a cool factor, but the annoyances this season are really getting close to overriding any enjoyment I get out of watching it.

Vic

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Angel of Death said,
October 13th, 2008 

I actually whole heartedly agree with you on this one. It’s like fans are becoming haters for no real reason. Heroes is not Shakespeare. Don’t look at it to be. It’s meant to be a fun show, which it may not have been last season, but is gearing up to become this season. And, while it’s not saying much, it’s a far more intelligent show than Smallville, which is STILL on the air. So why tune out? What is it you’re unsatisfied with? Are people finding it too convoluted? Well wake up folks, comic book storylines are convoluted!

This episode “Angels and Monsters” is getting fairly low ratings on TV.com, and IMDB. And honestly, I felt it was a fantastic episode. It answered everything about Linderman, it introduced the idea that not all the Level 5 people are bad, and it gave us a real full glimpse at who the major badguy this season is! And guess what, we should have seen this one coming, ever since we saw the Old Generation’s photograph in Season 2.

The overall season seems to be focusing on the fact that the Heroes are turning into villains. And that is quite intriguing overall. The fact that we know the end of the season will show them ultimately triumphing over true evil in the end, will mean they’ll have to battle with their inner temptations to continue as villains, and abuse their powers. That’s quality writing in a good vs. evil show! It’s going to flesh out the characters in a way they’ve never been explored before in the series, and has in many ways done this so far, showing that even the best-natured characters have the capacity for evil and temptation!

I urge you to stay with the storyline, and at least see where it ends, because I think it’s completely back to form, and worthy of viewing, at least for half a season more (as this Volume ends in December, and a new one begins in January)!

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C. Bartowski said,
October 13th, 2008 

You all know Ando and Hiro probably planned that right? If you were shocked and actually believe Hiro killed Ando, that’s just kind of dumb on your part. No offense.

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Daniel said,
October 14th, 2008 

Wow that was a huge fanboy rant. I hate the term wannabe critic. It’s like your putting critics up on this high level so far above everyone else when at the end of the day they are just a person with an opinion like everyone else. A critic has nothing special to offer that can’t except they have better grammar. Tell me how that makes their opinion more valid?

This season while still entertaining has become a bit of a joke. The twists are laughable and it’s falling down the cheese drain at an accelerated rate. Seasons one wasn’t really very cheesy I just watched it again last week on dvd and see none of this cheese you refer to. This season we get everybody with a shocking new power so is this gonna happpen every season ? We get mystery twins, Sylar is Peters brother, Parkman thinks he needs to follow a turtle, Peter is a good guy wait no a bad guy or is he a good guy, Same with Sylar, HRG works with sylar and can handle what ever he did to his daughter (Which was basically a metaphor for rape). I could go on and on, but lets stick with those.

Time travel is great for a little bit but it gets old when it happens in every other episode.

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Gary said,
October 14th, 2008 

I started to get tired of Heroes last year with the pointless Peter/amnesiac
Hiro/feudal japan storylines ,
But this year its worse because they are savaging the chracters beyond repair .
didnt anybody get the clever idea that a season called Villains might be more fun if the Heroes were fighting the Villains instead of BECOMING them?

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High Kalibur said,
October 14th, 2008 

A cheap rip-off of the X-men fails after continually failing to produce original content?

Shocking.

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October 14th, 2008 

I think when we encounter critics, if anything, it stirs imagination, originality and is the nexus for conversation where folks can talk about their different opinions.

If it weren’t for different opinions, sometimes, I’d miss facets of the issue the opinion was about until someone noted their aspect of it.

Civil discord is possible in a realm of opposite realities… or opinions, and that’s the fun of it, regardless of where it occurs.

At least in this medium, we can express ourselves quicker than we could writing to a newspaper and waiting a day or more to see if our comment made it.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

Daniel, what Sylar did to Claire is a metaphor for rape? Just because she gave him some _ _ _ _ ?

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

Note to Heroes writers: Episodes really can’t be ALL setup and no resolve or advance.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

Suresh is becoming a spider, man! He’s got gooey webs, he’s about to sprout about 4 more sets of appendages, he webs up his victims and either is already consuming them, or is storing them to be consumed. (And apparently he pumps them full of venom so they don’t even say MMM MMFFF MMMFFFF! (”Get me off this crappy pants show”)

What they promised (?) they wouldn’t do for Sylar–show him consuming mass quantities of grey matter–they’re probably going to do with Suresh: Show his slow decline into beastliness and probably sipping Maya’s spleen through a straw. At least I can say this much. It couldn’t happen to a nicer gal.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

What was this Big Reveal about a founder of the Company? Was anyone else thinking it was supposed to be someone we knew? Obviously Mr. Petrelli is that guy. But who “killed” (it’s not really kill on NBC RESET BUTTON: Villians) Peter and Nathan? I sure thought it was going to be Charles, who seems to exist either outside time, or inside minds, who would be revealed.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

OK I’ll keep going…

It strains credulity (more than how a random gene can produce the ability to create rifts in space) to think that Adam had this intricate plan, OR the knowledge of gathering forces at “the star wars canteena bar.”

I get a kick how Smallville weaves a comment or two into each episode…Chloe will use the phrase Man of Steel or Jimmy will say “faster than a speeding bullet.” I think tonight’s episode, Monsters & Angels, used the words monster or angels about a gazillion times.

And this constant conversation between Hiro and Ando about the definition of a hero….puh-leeeeze just use your powers, and as Kofi says, heat up the bromance (did I actually just say that?), these guys are Best Friends, eh?

Gee, could it be that Hiro stabbing Ando (which of course will be Reset somehow) is the reason Ando starts to hate his friend’s butt? That and that Hiro never listens to the voice of reason.

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790 said,
October 14th, 2008 

I watched tonights Heroes episode because Prison Break was postponed due to the MLB Playoffs…

I thought this was the best episode so far this season,,,?

Let’s get real folks Hiro is always going to be the fall Hero. He has been since day 01.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

Interesting how Daphne was NOT told that Matt could read minds (his original manifestation), but that he could project things into others’ minds. That is a badass power. It seemed like Mrs. Petrelli had this kind of power, but apparently she’s just a controlling wench and no one disputes anything she says.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

Chilling scene: After the recaps of Peter telling Sylar, ‘I’ll never become like you. I won’t let myself do that.’ Then soon into the episode, he’s frakkin sawing his mother’s head off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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790 said,
October 14th, 2008 

Its just a show JC,,, sheesh…

Yeah there’s some inconsistencies, big woop… My gawd let’s not loose perspective on reality…

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October 14th, 2008 

@C. Bartowski
Of *course* Hiro planned what he did to Ando. I thought it was clear in my comment that he did it with the intent to “undo” it.

@Daniel
Yeah, I didn’t like the “amateur critic/Joe Sixpack” comment, but I thought I’d let it ride and let Kofi deal with the blowback, if any.

@790
Why make that comment to jc but not to Kofi? Kofi’s post was a lot more emotional than jc’s point by point critique of the show.

Vic

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Rob Keyes said,
October 14th, 2008 

For a show on its 3rd season - it still doesn’t follow its own rules.

We still see most powers and characters used incorrectly and some of the worst dialogue on primetime TV.

Everyone’s ignoring the reasons people are getting sick of this show. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that the people still watching are all for it either - My friends and I still watch for the sake of watching but we really dislike how this show is falling apart.

Solution - make death a real threat, stop time travel, stop basing stories on potential future happenings and those seen in paintings (why is the only way to depict the future through white eyes and paint brushes?), make villains villainous. I have no interest in Claire having an attitude and being bad….borrrrinnngg.

There are no good plotthreads other than the HRG/Sylar thing and that was cut rediculously short. Of the supposedly terrible villains that broke out, how many are left? Wow that was epic…not.

I’m bored of the special effects tests and seeing Hiro’s lame attempt at comedy. I’m bored of Ali Larter being so many different people, none of which contribute to show. I’m bored of Nathan and these slight attempts to keep him interesting (scarface in the mirror, religion, linderman imagination, re-running for politics). I’m bored of Time travellers not doing the obvious. I’m bored of stupid coincidence (Hiro porting to future RIGHT when and where him and ando have a little scene - Parkman ending up in desert where where there happens to be another future painter who knows him).

Can we have a show with a non-apocalyptic future prediction storyline and no paintings? How about having villains be bad, goodguys be good and them duking it out over some grand story arc. Seeing current characters play both sides in a future that may not even happen is not that entertaining for the general audiences. Seeing just cool special effects isn’t either…oh and so neither is seeing every character having abilities now…it takes away the point of how these people are special.

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Shane said,
October 14th, 2008 

The issue I have is the writers having the character’s use their powers only when it is convenient. The time travel especially is annoying, ie. Hiro was so stuck to his principles that he couldn’t go back in time 1 minute to stop Chick Flash from getting the formula? Really? And one time Peter was being shot at and apparently forgot he could turn invisible.

Other issues
-unresolved plotlines
-having Peter be too powerful where any danger he is in lacks drama
-everyone being related
-reliance on time travel as a plot device

I have other issues but these are the main ones. I suggest that Kring buddy up with Paul Dini in order to bring Heroes back to where it needs to be.

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Rob Keyes said,
October 14th, 2008 

Jeff Cannata of the Totally Rad Show put it best.

Movies and TV shows essentially enter a tacit contract with the viewers.

What this means is that characters need to behave in the way that makes sense. But in heroes, what we’re seeing more and more of is that the decisions people make, usually make little to no sense.

If you were in that situation, would you act in a similar way? This show continues to completely fail in that way and this makes viewers not as entertained or as engaged in the show because of the writing.

I could list examples, but just think of each plot thread and how the characters re-act or act in situations.

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Evie said,
October 14th, 2008 

@Rob
“characters need to behave in the way that makes sense.”

Absolutely. If we, the viewers, think of something the character could have done using their ability/ies, then it gets ridiculous. Yeah, they are new at this, but they LIVE with the abilities. We WATCH them once a week. And I would hope that they would PRACTICE the abilities to see what the range/limitations were (like CLAIRE).

So yeah, the formula should NOT be lost. Future Peter should NOT be dead, etc etc etc.

And for goodness sakes, PLEASE. Give us some other major arc storylines besides ‘the world is going to end’. I’m begging you.

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October 14th, 2008 

@ Everybody

All I’m hearing is complaints. Still the only suggestions like fixing:

-unresolved plotlines
-having Peter be too powerful where any danger he is in lacks drama
-everyone being related
-reliance on time travel as a plot device

…Basically you want a show about people who DON’T HAVE POWERS. Comic books are convoluted. X-Men, for instance, has more time anamolies, time-warp relations good/evil characters and unkillable super-people than any other comic EVER. And it is STILL good, even when a particular storyline might begin to drag.

Give Heroes a chance to correct its course. Now that Papa Petrelli has been revealed as the leader of the bad boy gang sides will be chosen, we’ll know who’s good and who’s evil and the battle will begin. And, to keep the stakes high, I guarantee that people will begin to die. (Doesn’t look to good for Mya right now.) For F’s sake: Sylar’s future son got killed!!!! Peter tried to get at his mother’s brain!!!! He broke Sylar’s neck in the first 30 sec of last night!!!! Things are vicious!!!

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Rob Keyes said,
October 14th, 2008 

Hey Kofi,

you didn’t point out any of the issues I addressed in my posts here or in the other two heroes 3 threads…other than the time travel thing.

Sylar’s future son is meaningless. He’s a character that doesn’t even exist in the show’s main timeline, a character we never met before and with how the show works - he’s probably a character that won’t exist anyways.

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Rob Keyes said,
October 14th, 2008 

and I think we all want heroes to be a show about people with powers…I’m not sure where you got the idea that someone wants the show with people who dont have them…did someone say that?

I think what people want is a show that doesn’t have every character with powers, thus keeping some realism and some significance of the abilities - allowing them to be more meaningful.

The idea of everyone being capable of acquiring these special abilities is weak. It destroys the idea of genetics from the first season, let alone evolution.

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October 14th, 2008 

LOL, Kofi the complaints address specific points. I want them to have powers, I just want them to use them logically. I think the writers shot themselves in the foot by making some of the characters TOO powerful in seasons 1 & 2 and are now dialing them back. Same thing with the time travel issue that is now a monkey on their back because it’s so dumb when bad events aren’t erased by a 30 second “reboot.”

Unfortunately the Pandora’s box is now open.

Another “for instance” is why couldn’t Sylar hear what HRG was saying to vortex guys? One of the first powers he picked up in season 1 was super-hearing.

You’re doing the same thing we are, but in the opposite direction. You’re not addressing the specific points that we bring up, instead you’re just complaining that we’re complaining.

:-)

Vic

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October 14th, 2008 

Ambiguity is the point of this Season. So is that theme raised by the villain in “The Incredibles”: “If everyone is special, no one is.”

What people are asking for is a simple us vs. them setup. Clearly defined sides and then a long what, 18 episode battle??? I like how this season is shaping up: that some characters who we think have had solid, upstanding morals (Peter, Claire) are suddenly finding themselves teetering on the edge overlooking the darkness, even though they mean well. That characters who meant ill (Sylar) are finding reasons to reform and tame the beast inside them (The classic Wolverine theme). I like that a handful of characters don’t yet know what role they’ll play (Parkman, Speed Chick, Hiro) and will likely have to make some hard choices. I like the uncertainty. These are uncertain times. It’s not that EVERYONE has powers now, it’s just that those that do have emerged and started to group. You can’t have that “Gods among men” theme from S1 run forever. That is just a starting point.

As for the powers argument. Hiro can’t go back in time and change everything. That’s why the second ep this season was called “The Butterfly Effect.” Going back risks screwing things up, or bringing about that which you hoped to avoid (Adam becoming a Villain b/c Hiro meddled in the past.) Of course Sylar heard, or at least inferred what HRG was trying to do. No need to trot out super powers needlessly, Vic. And using powers “logically????” The whole point is that many of these people are not ready for the power they find themselves with; they use their powers emotionally instead of logically. It’s the danger of Molhinder’s serum: giving power to those not ready to properly wield it. In fact, it seems that there more complaints about the characters like future Peter who have mastered their powers b/c those characters are “too powerful.” Go figure.

What do I want to see happen? I want the characters to choose their sides, I want Papa Petrelli to set his evil scheme in motion; when the dust settles, I want the main characters to be standing on unexpected sides of the line and I want the serum destroyed, or at least have it end up in the hands of normal humans, who discover that a super-war is taking place in their midst, causing a pro-human, government organization to spring up, tasked with “ending the meta-human threat.” I want to see all our heroes hunted and persecuted, forcing heroes and villains alike to band together to survive.

THERE, see, that’s what I mean by a solution: tell me what you would like to happen, what kind of plotlines or story-archs would bring you back to the show.

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October 14th, 2008 

Um, Hiro had no problem doing a “micro” timeshift about 4 times in a row in the scene where he unearthed what’s his face at the cemetery. He is obviously also going to go back and undo Ando’s death.

As to Sylar and overhearing the conversation, he was obviously interested in knowing what they were talking about. I would think that he wouldn’t even have to actively “call up” that power - just wanting to know what they were discussing and straining slightly to hear it would have allowed him to.

This is fun. :-P

Vic

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DarkGrittyMovieLoverX said,
October 14th, 2008 

Season 3 (so far) is good and all, but the writers need to devote a little more screen time for the sub-plots in the series and have the characters make more logical, sensible decisions. Still, a fun show to watch.

But I really would like to see Hiro and Ando become enemies at some point in the show rather being hinted at in overused “future-apocalyptic-vision” cliche that’s becoming a little to rampant in the series.

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October 14th, 2008 

I’ll tell you what I’m waiting for:

Dressed in black, bad-ass Hiro.

I’m tired of him being a dork.

Vic

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Brent E said,
October 14th, 2008 

You sum it up nicely in your article: the show is going back to what worked in Season 1. The only problem with this? Season One was not that great.

I’ve watched every episode of this terrible show, and your article did a nice job of summing up why I should quit along with the others. Season One was not very good. I thought the show had potential, so I stayed with it. Season Two? Terrible. The entire season was awful. I’ve tuned into Season Three to find it back into mediocrity, but still 3 seasons in and this show has never been very good.

The problems? Bad characters, lazy writing. I don’t need to waste 2 episodes a year on “this is the future that won’t happen,” and then another 5 episodes worth of storytelling focused on lame characters that only anger the viewer.

By now this show should have improved. No surprise: it hasn’t.

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Zipper Stevens said,
October 14th, 2008 

Maybe I missed it too, but what happened to Molly? Last I saw she was being taken care of by Mohinder and Parkman, and they aint available now…

Season 3 is lacking that “woah, did that just happen?” moment that season 1 kept throwing at us. Except for Hiro stabbing Ando, last night.

I do want to remind everybody, that Dr. Who and Star Trek:TNG were full of continuity gaffs and plotholes. We still love love those shows.

It’s just entertainment… Escapism. Don’t overthink it.

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steven the git said,
October 14th, 2008 

First, I’m waiting to see how things turn out. I got fed up fast with the Hiro in Japan bit, but that was when thought it was just Hiro’s own story. When it affected the main story, I felt fine with it.

Second, spot on with the plotholes and stupid mistakes, but most scifi fans should be used to it by now. I mean I’ve watched Stargate for years and wow, there’s some nonsense in there. But still enjoyed it as the characters, and actors, were worth it.
I often think that’s the thing that keeps people into a show.

Third, I love reading the strong opinions, if not rants, on here. As long as people don’t go too nuts (ahem,Dragonball) then the more passion about shows and movies the better.

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Deb said,
October 14th, 2008 

Kofi, you’ve voiced all the same thoughts I’ve had over the past few weeks. I think the vast majority of this criticism is unfounded, and completely unreasonable. The gleeful negativity is totally appalling - I honestly think some people just couldn’t wait to tear the show down. I have no idea as to why this is happening, but it is very disheartening. If Heroes becomes a rating underdog, then I will still support it, but I think those who are giving up on it are missing out on something very special.

Keep up the goog fight, Kofi. I’m with you.

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Deb said,
October 14th, 2008 

Heh. Is a goog fight better than a good fight? Time will tell.

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October 14th, 2008 

I’m not “gleeful.” I’ve been a huge supporter of Heroes in the past.

Vic

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Daniel said,
October 14th, 2008 

I’m with Vic I was wanting this season to rock. I loved season one and I’m one of the few who liked season two aside from the writers strike hurting it I thought it was doing well. Season 3 had me all amped up and ready to go. I thought the premiere was decent , but it went down hill from there.

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October 14th, 2008 

Hey, if I can hang in there with Smallville for 7 seasons, you can be sure I’ll be sticking with Heroes in the hope it’ll start to gel. :-P

Vic

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Pete said,
October 14th, 2008 

I haven’t enjoyed this season of Heroes at all. I didn’t enjoy the last season either. I’ve been waiting for the show to get back on track from when it derailed around the 6th episode of the first season. I’ve been extremely patient, but my patience has just about run out. No, it ran out when the guy sucked himself into his own vortex, just so Claire and HRG could dance the same dance they have already danced before. Having Sylar save Claire was stroke of convenience. I don’t expect the show to be genius, but it should at least be intelligent.

I totally disagree with the idea that Tim Kring is the best thing we have going for us and we need to support this show. That’s ridiculous. But even more ridiculous is the suggestion that we should watch Heroes and take notes of everything that doesn’t work, because, maybe just maybe, if we are lucky, Tim Kring will take our ideas into consideration. LMAO!!

That sounds like work. Work without a paycheck. No, sorry, Tim Kring makes an extremely large amount of money since he’s the creator of Heroes. He should be capable of writing an intelligent story about people who have abilities. This is his job after all, not mine.

Personally I think he should be writing for a really bad daytime soap opera. That’s what Heroes would be if you took away the special effects. Kring may have come up with the this great concept but the man clearly had no long term ideas. I’d rather see someone else give it a shot and do it better. The sooner we stop watching the this lame show, the sooner we will get a better version to take it’s place.

We are wasting our time clinging to a show that doesn’t exist. I should know I’ve been clinging since the beginning of the first season. And living in fear that we will never have another show like this is silly. And using a scare tactic as part of your argument doesn’t really help your argument. You’re wrong, another network can and will do this type of show again and hopefully better. Heroes isn’t a first and it won’t be the last. NBC already had the 4400 before Heroes, on the USA network.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

Did anyone else have the same mistaken presumption as me? When we found that Vortex man was alone on a carousel, and sad about his family not trusting him–didn’t you just *know* that the following scene would be an enraged/scared Vortex Man and a rift opening up to swallow the carousel?

Vic: What’s the best thing about FutureHiroinBlackWithASword? Ando is nowhere in sight! (It’s usually together when the goofy music plays and the stupid “antics” happen.

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jc in chicago said,
October 14th, 2008 

JUST ASKIN’

How many champagne corks would pop among the fans, if NBC gave Kring the boot and replaced him with Robert Hewitt Wolfe (Deep Space Nine), or Kevin Falls (Journeyman)?

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790 said,
October 14th, 2008 

Dosnt work that way JC,,,
like it or not, Tim Kring created the show…
This season of Heroes has been greenlit for all 22 episodes so sit back and enjoy the show,,, ;-)

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Ken J said,
October 14th, 2008 

Lol, Kevin Falls. Yah, if you want the “heroes” to be greenpeace activists fighting the “villains” which would be like Big Oil or something like that… :-D

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Ken J said,
October 14th, 2008 

Pete, unfortunately just about any of these shows lately are like soap operas. Especially the ones targetting younger viewers, they are like teen soaps… I think it’s the cheapest and easiest ways to get viewers or something. Why else would almost every show on television be like that?

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steven the git said,
October 15th, 2008 

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/03/18/nbc-sued-over-heroes/

I think Stan Lee has more reason to sue.

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October 15th, 2008 

@ the movement to (blah blah blah…) and Pete

What are “the twins” going to POSSIBLY sue for? Everything in Heroes from characters to themes to plotlines has been copied from the DC/Marvel Universe. The twins didn’t come up with jack Sugar Honey Ice Tea. Heroes is basically what it looks like when X-men is directly translated to TV in full comic book absurdity. And you both are WRONG. TV is a medium where when it works, everybody does it; when it doesn’t work, or worse, fails horribly, nobody will even touch the genre or type of show for years. Kring and Heroes is what we’ve got, like it or lump it. Cuz that Robin/Batman prequel show coming out on CW ain’t going to fill the comic book TV void, I can assure you.

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Evie said,
October 15th, 2008 

IMO if anything, its a rip-off of Unbreakable.

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October 15th, 2008 

I’m going to nip any more lawsuit talk in the bud. I won’t have this thread hijacked like the last one was.

Vic

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790 said,
October 15th, 2008 

Hey “The Movement to put Tim in Jail,,,”

We’ve all heard about the lawsuit,,, the Twins this and the Twins that…
(Its over btw)

Please take your crusade to another site …

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Zipper Stevens said,
October 15th, 2008 

Dear “Movement”,

Move it elsewhere, please. And no one goes to jail for civil cases. Look at O.J. Simpson, and that stemmed from a murder trial…

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October 15th, 2008 

I would have gotten to this sooner but I’ve been away from a computer all morning.

All of “movement’s” comments have been deleted and further comments from him will go into moderation and I will determine whether to post them or not.

Sorry you had to put up with that, folks.

Vic

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John "Kahless" Taylor said,
October 15th, 2008 

Kofi, I do enjoy the show, and will continue to watch. But the problems that have been addressed here are, IMHO, very valid. For me, Vic is spot on about Hiro; the man is just extremely annoying to me, yet in season 1, he is suppose to mature into a real hero, a bada–. When is this going to happen? I know, I know, just give it time (no pun intended).

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Rob Keyes said,
October 16th, 2008 

I’ve really picked apart many scenes and issues with the first 4 episodes in the last few heroes threads.

Which is why I’m happy to say, episode 5 was much more enjoyable then the priors - they introduced new villains - but I wish they were developed earlier or mentioned as part of the breakouts from the Company prison.

Vortex dude was pretty cool, too bad he’s gone :(

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jc in chicago said,
October 17th, 2008 

Vortex dude will be back as surely as Suresh’s new business cards say “Your friendly neighborhood Man Spider”

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Daniel F said,
October 19th, 2008 

I agree with most of the complaints. However I love Hiro and would hate to see him change. He’s really fun to watch and pretty much the only comic relief.

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John "Kahless" Taylor said,
October 20th, 2008 

I don’t mind some comic relief, but the way they wrote Hiro makes him more Jar-Jar Binks than an X-Man-like character. I figured he would have matured a little after his father died.

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wes said,
October 24th, 2008 

The last episode was a lot better. I thought the puppetmaster was much more engaging than the previous villians. The sequences of Hiro getting repeatedly whacked with a shovel was hilarious. It really showed how his time jumping can be counteracted in a humorous way. I agree that the relationship factor from season 1 has been lost. It made everyone seem more believable. I think after this season, they could do more small scale stories devoted to individual characters in situations that aren’t always world threatening. This season will probably develop into a big brawl, so there is little chance for those types of stories until in the future. I agree with Suresh being absent as the moral conscience negatively affecting the storylines. I still think that Sylar only regained his telekinetic power. It’s been the only one he’s used aside from Claire’s healing ability.

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Ergo Proxy said,
October 24th, 2008 

It seems people are chiming in from all walks of life on how bad the show actually is..

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20235213,00.html?cnn=yes

I have to say… quitting on Heroes, has to be one of the best things I’ve done in a long time…

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790 said,
October 24th, 2008 

Lol Ergo,,,
Yeah it was easy for me too,,,
When the show gets that bad, eh its no prb to put it down like a wounded beast…

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G martin said,
October 27th, 2008 

the indian dude turning into sum kind of mutant spider is ridiculous. as for killing off adam monroe….

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MizzCash said,
October 29th, 2008 

This might seem nitpicky, or like something that no one else cares about, but since everyone else is leaving their opinions, I figured: why not? Someone stated earlier that we should write Tim Kring about improvements to the show. I’m all down for this because I’d planned to do that anyway. Here’s my beef: As a serious fan who has a little problem with the convoluted nature the show has taken on, nothing disappoints me more that the lack of diversity in women currently on the show. I’m an African-American young woman, and one of the things that initially drew me to the show (besides it’s all-around awesomeness) was its VAST diversity of people. Anybody could watch it and see a bit of “Hero” reflected in itself (I know that sounded cliche and cheese-tastic, but it’s true!).

Now, as far as the men are concerned, the diversity is still there: Mohinder, Hiro, the black guy who can manipulate fear, the African apocalyptic painter, the Italian Petrelli family…even Vortex Guy was what I’d call “Ethnically ambiguous.” But if this show was a representation of “ordinary people,” then that definition as it applies to women (in THIS season)requires you to be Caucasian and blond: Claire, Claire’s real and adopted moms, Elle, The Flash Girl, the Niki Combo…the ONLY woman of color left on the show is Maya, and we haven’t seen very much of her.

It wasn’t always this way… I remember Simone (I think that was her name; Issac’s Girlfriend), but she was killed off so fast, as you can see, I can barely remember her name. Then can SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO MONICA?! She had super bad-assed power! She can watch something and then just know how to do it immediately? You can’t tell me that’s not bad-assed…especially when she pulled that wrestling move on those dudes holding up the restaurant way back when. I LOVED her, and it was as if her character just evaporated into thin air! There’s been no mention of what even happened to her…season 3 just began like she was never there. I have to say, as a black woman watching the show, that was REALLY disheartening. I haven’t stopped watching because I truly love the show and believe that there’s nothing else on tv like it, but is it too much to ask for some more women on the show who don’t look like Barbie? I’ll be writing Kring about it…

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MizzCash said,
October 29th, 2008 

Ooops…I meant, “…anybody could watch it and see a bit of “Hero” reflected in THEMSELVES.” LOL

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October 29th, 2008 

I’m with you, Kofi. I just wrote about this in my blog, and used you for inspiration.

This is my first time watching this show - I tried a couple times last season and lost interest, and the only reason I started this time is because Brea Grant is an acquaintance of mine (or was three years ago), and I was curious to see her as an actress.

But I love watching heroes turn into villains. Everyone who said “How about we have good guys and bad guys and watch them fight?” has no clue how to tell a story. Is that less predictable than “Hiro teleports back to right before he gets punched out in the bar …”? (Congrats … you hit the nail on the head there … aren’t you so proud?)

No, I want to watch these guys create their own destinies in the most ordinary way possible - as petulant and arrogant human beings who have no concept of just how much hubris their power has given them.

I’m scheduled to be a Nielson reviewer sometime soon, and I’m with this show until the end.

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Daniel F said,
October 30th, 2008 

I like watching characters not act completely out of character. Which is what makes this season a disappointment. People do radically change to the degrees that they have in heroes.

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John "Kahless" Taylor said,
October 31st, 2008 

@MizzCash

I never thought about that but on the most part, you’re right. The only mutated females this season who are not blond are Mrs. Petrelli and Maya, who lost her powers to father Petrelli. I think the girl who could do what she saw was killed in a fire, but I didn’t have my gensing today so I might be mistaken. :-)

I think they should introduce other female mutants who are of different races, like the men.

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Le said,
October 31st, 2008 

>>”That basically means that more people
>>are displeased with “Villains” than they
>>were with “Generations.” And to me,
>>that is all kinds of wrong.”

That is just a completely incorrect statement. I know many people who were extremely displeased with season 2, but decided to give season 3 a shot before quitting the shot. Many people are willing to forgive one bad season, but not two in a row.

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Daniel said,
November 1st, 2008 

Meh I enjoyed seasons 2 more than season 3. Season 2 made sense the characters made sense the plot made sense and it was very story and character driven. This season is ridiculous with all the side switching and acting out of character moments. Season one was great season 2 was pretty good and season three is terrible.

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Mizzcash said,
November 3rd, 2008 

@John “Kahless” Taylor

Thank you so much for your agreement! :) As for Monica, I could have sworn at the end of season 2, the last we saw of her was with the little boy, Micah (Niki’s son…by the way, where is HE?!) and they watched outside in horror while the building burned that had Niki inside it. I THINK. That’s the last time I remember seeing her.

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jc in chicago said,
November 3rd, 2008 

It’s kinda like Spider-Pig in the Simpson’s Movie. What ever happened to that little pink guy?

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Tyrone said,
November 3rd, 2008 

It’s because a good story is a good story, and the story itself will draw people to watch it. Things logically will add up, and if the writing is truly good, and if there are really things of value to see within the story it will earn a dedicated following. But if the story isn’t done well, and if it’s not well written, and the job has not been done correctly then people will be lost, and no longer want to see the story.
If you read Story and Stucture by Laurence Perrine he goes over fiction, and story writing and the study of it. He talks about the things that writers should know when writing a story. He talks about it’s okay to begin a story with a coincidence or with chance, and that all the ready or watcher in this case requires is a logical progression from the beginning of the story. But if the story ends on coincidence and ends in chance it’s far more likely to lose the reader, and for the reader to no longer believe in the story. They question and say “He would have never done that.” That’s not consistent with that person’s character. So instead of being able to completely believe in the story the watcher is filled with doubt and an inability to take the story seriously because it was not written well.
People that watch shows don’t know what makes a good story, or why one story is better then another, but for some reason just like a well written song, there is something about a good story that resonates on the inside and makes them want to keep watching. So don’t blame the watcher’s there honestly is just something about this season and some events that are happening that seem like this stories been tampered with. That’s it’s not real. Certain characters that are not plausible and believable. Character’s who used to be believable but now because of choices the writers have made the characters no longer seem real. Seem like themselves. They are doing things, and acting in ways that are not consistant with the characters from the original season. We find ourselves saying things like “He would of never done that” Every good person doesn’t become evil. In fact the way Peter was it doesn’t even seem plausible that his character or Clairs for that matter had the possible of even becoming evil. Which is what made us want to watch the first season so much. What to see how these good people overcame their problems. Then Sylar was an amazing villian in the first, a Villian you could seriously respect. and when he did what he did they were all consistent with who he was. So many characters in this show are doing thing that are not consistent with who we knew and know them to be. That’s what’s destroying this show, that’s what’s causing people to say I don’t need to follow this anymore. Because I no longer care, or believe in the characters, they’re doing things that I know a person like that wouldn’t do. Good fiction is suppose to reveal truths. It’s suppose to show us things we wouldn’t be able to know otherwise. And these current episodes are very empty. They are like candy, and are escape literature, having little to no substance whereas the first season was full of it. Full of discovery, and the writers of this story seem to have lost their way.
I will say there are flashes of brilliance. This last week’s episode was pretty good, Claire helping the other electric girl . They just need to be consistant and protect their characters, you can’t change every single character that was good to evil, and then try to change an evil character to good and expect for people to be able to believe that. Maybe if they decided to change one character that would of been nice, but they decided to take most of the characters and explore their dark side. I do think there is hope though and I will continue watching to see what happens.

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