No ‘Avengers’ in ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’; ‘Captain America 2′ Has Major Phase 2 Role

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Guardians of the Galaxy Avengers 2 No Avengers in Guardians of the Galaxy; Captain America 2 Has Major Phase 2 Role

Following reports that the Marvel Phase 2 films will be standalone stories that do not directly interweave with The Avengers 2 storyline, fans began to question whether or not they’d get to see any of the core characters sharing screen time prior to the next team-up in 2015.

Early, and now debunked, rumors had suggested that Phase 2 would be kicked-off with Iron Man in space, teasing Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014, while others suggested that Captain America could even make a brief appearance in Thor: The Dark World. However, as the pre-Avengers 2 projects have begun to take shape, we’re receiving a clearer picture of how Marvel intends to position each one in the larger shared universe – with a new report suggesting that while Captain America: The Winter Soldier will have the biggest role in setting up The Avengers 2, Guardians of the Galaxy will be entirely standalone without a single previously-established Avenger included.

Neither of these reports suggest entirely new information for anyone who has been following every Phase 2 story that we’ve posted on the site. That said, they do add further credibility to earlier rumors as well as present a few new details for fans to chew on – including who the Guardians of the Galaxy might face in the film as well as asserting that Black Widow’s backstory is a major focus in Captain America 2.

Guardians of the Galaxy in Avengers 2 No Avengers in Guardians of the Galaxy; Captain America 2 Has Major Phase 2 Role

The updates come courtesy of JoBlo who offered the following with regard to Guardians of the Galaxy:

  • Ronan The Accuser will be the film’s lead villain.
  • Thanos plays a large role in the overall scheme of things.
  • The Guardians will operate out of their base of operations, called Knowhere, a space station with the ability to teleport throughout the universe.
  • No members of The Avengers featured in the film, but that it does take place in the same time/universe as the current phase of films.

If the report is to be believed, it certainly adds further credence to Joss Whedon’s claims that the Guardians would not appear in Avengers 2 either. News that Guardians of the Galaxy won’t feature any Avengers characters may be disappointing to certain fans but, considering the amount of heroes and villains that Marvel will have to introduce in the film, it’s understandable that an appearance by Tony Stark could distract from properly establishing the cosmic superhero team. Iron Man 3 certainly proved that the studio was not afraid to tell an entirely separate storyline – so there’s no reason to think they’d balk at the same idea for Guardians of the Galaxy.

The source also suggests that Ronan the Accuser will serve as the primary antagonist – a character that could be played by Lee Pace (instead of the rumored Controller). Some fans might assume that recently signed Benicio Del Toro will play Ronan the Accuser but unless Marvel intends to keep their villain alive for future installments, Pace is the more likely bet – since Del Toro will appear in the film as part of a multi-picture deal. As a result, we’re still expecting Del Toro to have a larger role in the overarching shared universe storyline –  as The Collector or even Thanos.

 No Avengers in Guardians of the Galaxy; Captain America 2 Has Major Phase 2 Role

Still, the most interesting piece from the post suggests that the film will take place in the same time and universe as the other Phase 2 films – complicating rumors that Guardians of the Galaxy will actually occur in an alternate future. Maybe the source meant that certain portions of the film will take place in the Phase 2 time and universe – with room for the film to explore alien worlds and a future-setting after Chris Pratt’s Star Lord is brought into the fold? That or the futuristic elements that were previously rumored aren’t Earth-borne and simply represent present day tech on an advanced extraterrestrial planet – a planet that the team could easily visit (given Knowhere’s teleportation capabilities).

Unfortunately, JoBlo‘s Captain America: The Winter Soldier details aren’t quite as revealing but still offers some interesting details:

  • Pretty much a sequel to The Avengers and plays the biggest role in leading into The Avengers 2.
  • Will go more in-depth on Black Widow’s backstory and gadgetry.

As stated, without official confirmation, it’s worth taking these reports with a grain of salt for now. Still, it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that we’ll be seeing some Black Widow backstory – especially since Captain America 2 has regularly been called a S.H.I.E.L.D. film. Digging into her backstory a bit should also be a welcome element of the storyline and, considering the character has been a fan-favorite supporting player in three Marvel Universe films, it’ll be fun to see how the filmmakers intend to use her “gadgetry” to up-the-ante – especially after the “Widow’s Bite” tease in The Avengers.

Chris Evans Steve Rogers Official SHIELD Captain America 2 No Avengers in Guardians of the Galaxy; Captain America 2 Has Major Phase 2 Role

Yet, the biggest question is certainly how Captain America: The Winter Soldier will both continue The Avengers story and serve as the most significant lead-in to The Avengers 2. For months, insiders were asserting that Guardians of the Galaxy would be the major lead-in to a cosmic Avengers 2 battle, so hearing that the, comparatively, more straightforward “political thriller” depicted in Captain America 2 will actually set-up the next mega team-up is slightly surprising – and certainly lend more credit to our recent speculation that Avengers 2 could be an Earth-based storyline (with, say, a rival team as villains), rather than the cosmic storyline many fans initially expected.

That said, coupled with the news that Guardians of the Galaxy will be entirely standalone, screenwriter Christopher Markus’ comments that Captain America 2 will determine “where loyalties lie” going into The Avengers 2 makes more sense – given that it’ll be the last standalone Phase 2 film with connections to Joss Whedon’s next installment. Also, since a certain actor suggested there could be conflicting goals within S.H.I.E.L.D., it’s certainly possible that even if the heroes win in Captain America 2, any resulting fallout would once again set the stage for bigger problems down the line – i.e. acquiring The Tesseract/Cosmic Cube in Captain America: The First Avenger paved the way for Loki to use it for nefarious purposes in The Avengers.

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Iron Man 3 is currently in theaters, with Thor: The Dark World on November 8, 2013, Captain America: The Winter Soldier on April 4, 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy on August 1, 2014, The Avengers 2 on May 1, 2015, Ant-Man on November 6, 2015, and unannounced films scheduled for May 6, 2016 and May 5, 2017.

Follow me on Twitter @benkendrick for more on Marvel Phase 2 as well as future movie, TV, and gaming news.

Source:  JoBlo

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  1. This may be just the negativity in me, but having Cap 2 be the only director sequal to the Avengers, while also being the pathway to Avengers 2 makes my hopes for Winter Soldier weaker. Of course its to early to tell and I could very much be blown out of the water but I feel that is a lot of burden to put on some TV comedy writers/directors. I still don’t believe the Russo Brothers were a good choice for this film, and I don’t understand why Johnston isn’t coming back. Even though I didn’t love Cap, I feel Johnston is the best choice to takle such an important film. THere is so many character that are announced for this film, adding the extra burden of making the story lead into a bigger film (which was the biggest problem with some of the phase 1 films) while also making it follow one could hurt the film. Just an opinion.

    • *direct not director

      • Got ut!

        • Not me, Trey’s point was “to” unclear.

  2. If Ironman3 is any indication of the next phase of marvel movies leading up to the Avengers 2 were gonna be in trouble I am a big marvel fan but as much as I hate to say IM3 was horrible looks like marvel/ Disney took a step backwards. I’m just saying.

    • In what ways are the other films similar to Iron Man?

    • Never doubt marvel. They can deliver. Iron man 3 was not horrible. They should have told us it was Adrian killing who was the villain instead of selling the mandarin as the villain.

      • They should have told us that Bruce Willis was dead all along too.

        • Darth Vader is Luke’s father!? A little warning would have been nice.

    • Hopefully they learned from their mistakes

      • With their money flowing in, they don’t see any mistakes.

    • IM3 was certainly better than IM2, and personally, I’d put it above the original IM. Where’s the step backward?

    • IM3 was not horrible, it was just a average movie. I feel that’s why people think that. Just because something didn’t meet your expectations,does’t mean it was horrible.

      • No….it was pretty horrible.

  3. I’m fine with it. Though, I think it would have been better financially to at least cameo Iron Man in Guardians of the Galaxy. I just wonder how Thor is going to factor in this. Surely it will have some connections to Guardians.

    • I’m glad they didn’t put Iron Man near Guardians. It wouldn’t of made any sense (story wise) once so ever. They are in different galaxies and Iron Man doesn’t have the tech to warp jump.

      • Different galaxies?? Not in the 2008-present version. It actually makes a lot of sense, especially being that Iron Man is currently a member of the guardians. Part of the Guardians story takes place on Earth, Peter Quill is half-human after all.

        • I’m about to go Credible Hulk on you bcuz I’m gonna cite all my sources as to the Guardians being in a different galaxy for the movie and in 2005-2011.

          So 1st off James Gunn said on FormSpring that the Guardians movie will be in the same universe as Avengers but in a different galaxy. Here is the report on that: http://www.gotham-news.com/index.php?q=news/2013/03/02/guardians-of-the-galaxy-director-james-gunn-comments-on-internet-rumors-casting&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

          Now if you do read the comics then you should know that Knowhere, Xandar, the Kree, the Skrulls, and the Shi’ar Empires aren’t near Earth. They are all far far away from the Milky Way Galaxy.

          Xandar is the home of the Nova Corps and they are in the Andromeda Galaxy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandar

          The Kree Empire’s homeworld is Hala and they are in the Kree Galaxy aka the Large Magellanic Cloud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kree

          The Skrull’s home galaxy is the Andromeda Galaxy: http://marvel.com/universe/Skrulls

          The Shi’ar’s home galaxy is the so called Shi’ar Galaxy: http://marvel.com/universe/Shi'ar

          Knowhere is located at The Rip which is an interdimensional crossroad on the edge of Spacetime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowhere

          In my next post I’ll post the map of all the galaxies from Annihilation which was back in 2005-2007 bcuz the moderator has to approve pictures.

          Therefore knowing all this, you should know that there is no way Iron Man can reach them using his Tech from Iron Man 3. Let alone with what suit?

          Now with this knowledge, why do you think Iron Man is apart of the Guardians right now in the comics?

          It’s bcuz the Guardians are fighting near and on Earth. It makes sense to put him on the team in the comics right now.

          However in regards to the movie, adding him to the team prematurely while the Guardians are in a different galaxy (no where near Earth) wouldn’t make any sense once so ever.

          If you are actually reading the comics right now, Iron Man can barely take down 1 fighter ship. Now you want him to preform wormholing space travel?

          Explain to me how Iron Man will travel 2.5 million light-years (2.4×1019 km) from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy (where the Guardians of the Galaxy might be) in the movie, when he can hardly fight in space currently in the comics.

          You got guys like Nova who can take out a fleet of fighter ships. Iron Man will slow the Guardians down. He will be noob status, thus the movie centering around him and his learning. Ain’t no body got time for that, we got a movie about “Guardians of the Galaxy” to present and not “Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy.”

          In the comics, there is time to see him learn the cosmic ropes.

        • Here’s your map: http://s2.postimg.org/518yg6chl/Annihilation_Wave_Path.jpg

      • Stark recieved an s.o.s from the guardians also

    • I still think GotG will be the step too far. It’s too far out of the now established Marvel movie universe and contains characters which are less than realistic.

      I know Marvel haven’t been going down the Nolan path when it comes to realism, but they’ve still managed to attain a certain normality and science based logic to their origin stories.

      GotG feels too fantastical with talking Raccoons and Star Lords and what have yous. I doubt it will capture a large audience outside of the core fanbase.

      Still, good for them for pushing the boundaies of the franchise and not just churning out ever weaker Hulk films (for example). I just hope they don’t expect GotG to be as big as some of their other releases.

      • GoTG is just as realistic as any Star Wars film and they did pretty well.

      • Rocket is a biogenetically altered Raccoon. Gamora is an alien. Groot is an alien. Pete’s is half human half alien.

        Drax is the only one who’s out there. His body was created and the soul of some Earther was placed in him.

        Everything else is down to a science which makes sense for comic book realism.

  4. Standalone is what people wanted right? Well, you’re getting it. IM3 was disappointing, but Thor & Cap II will be wayyy better than their first films,

    • I actually thought Captain America was the best of the phase 1 films, just my opinion.
      Looking forward to seeing Ronan as the main villain. A great character and it opens the door for so many other possibilities.

  5. IM3 wasn’t as bad as people make it out to be. I enjoyed it more than IM2. I’m really looking forward to Guardians and Thor 2. So far Thor is my favorite character they have put on film. I’m wondering if and how they’ll tie him into Avengers2.

  6. great news! bring on more standalones!

  7. I only need to know one thing: where is Hawkeye? Makes no sense to not have him if this is SHIELD and Natasha.

  8. How is it, I ask you, that Iron Man 3 is an “entirely separate storyline” from the Avengers??? IT WAS NOT AT ALL! It was in fact exactly the aftermath of Avengers having an effect on Tony Stark and the rest of society.

    • The core storyline of Iron Man 3 had very little to do with The Avengers or Phase 2. The villain and nearly every other character involved did not draw from or discuss the events of The Avengers at all. Only the Tony Stark anxiety arc is tied to his experiences with the Battle of New York – but that’s only a minor subplot in the Mandarin/Extremis story (which, again, doesn’t even reference The Avengers). Sure there are a few nods but it’s still an entirely separate story – no SHIELD and no connection to other Phase 2 films.

      Maybe we’re arguing semantics but… Iron Man 3 was significantly more isolated from The Avengers shared universe story than even Iron Man 2. I’m not saying that’s even a good or bad thing, just that it makes sense that they’d be willing to separate Guardians of the Galaxy – since Iron Man 3 was a standalone adventure.

    • The “panic attacks” Tony Stark was having as a result of Avengers was also what they decided to replace Tony’s alcoholism with – which the director originally wanted to put in from what I read, which Marvel said no to.

  9. Marvel is dying, They blew their wad on avengers. Iron man 3 was a disappointment and so far phase two looks to have no direction whatsoever. A film that will have nothing to do with the other films, a third film that all but ruined one of the teams best characters and a sequel to captain america that will have no identity of its own at all…Give us a cap film not a Black widow/shield film disguised as a Cap film!

    DC may have stumbled out of the gate (a sub par green lantern movie and a batman trilogy that was great but missed opportunities to expand the DC universe) but they’ve hit the mark dead on with Man of steel. MoS is a thousand times better then any Marvel film. Infact DC makes films Marvel makes movies, and thats the big thing that is killing Marvel right now

    • film and movies mean the same thing

    • Man of steel got a 56% on RT let me remind you. People liked ironman 3 better than man of steel. So suck it. MCU is coming back better than ever.

      • let me remind you. RT IS HIGHLY UNRELIABLE. THEY GAVE SUPERMAN RETURNS A HIGHER SCORE.

        • The movie never sat well with critics.

        • There is talk about a short film Marvel has made with the “Howling Commandos” and other WW2 characters from Cap 1 that they are planning to show at ComicCon. I wonder if Scarlett will be in that; the Black Widow in the comics was a Soviet Supersoldier who was born in 1927, and fought in WW2. She has a healing factor, so doesn’t age. Maybe they will go that way in the movie.

      • Stop hiding behind rotten tomatoes, You people are worse then those who Say a movie sucked because roger ebert hated it

        • Marvel is dying? Their last 2 movies have made a combined 2.7 billion dollars alone..lol And they have been very well received both critically and audience wise. (Despite what people on this board seem to think about IM3, it went great with the general audience. It had an A cinemascore rating, and an 83 audience rating on RT. Both higher than Man of Steel.

          Marvel isn’t dying, on the contrary, they are dominating.

        • Do you prefer Metacritic? Is there a better cinematic yardstick?

          • Metacritic is slightly more accurate, because it gives a representation of what the critics thought. RT just gives a percentage of thumbs up/thumbs down. On MC, MoS is 55, and IM3 is 69. Seems fair.

            • Avengers is 69 on Metacritic

              • Ah, yeah. Iron Man 3 is 62. Again, probably fair.

        • Don’t point to objective measures of success to prove success? Ooooookay. Iron Man 3: a hit with critics, a hit with audiences.

      • Superman Returns got 75%. Just saying. :-/

        • Critics are a different breed. They appreciate different kinds of movies from the rest of us.

    • Did you forget that on most top critic reviews it got a high 80 % and smashed the box office on its first week out ? Please take a seat and sit in silence, Oh and Your welcome.

      • Um people will see it because it’s superman and besides it’s not gonna beat batman or iron man 3 in the box office. So you take a seat. And besides that’s not the final rating because it can change. So you go back in your little corner and wait till you are called.

    • Green Lantern did not stink as bad as many said; in fact despite a number of flaws, it was overall a tolerable first effort, but needed to be followed up with an improved sequel. What really stunk was all the band-wagon-jumping crtics who ran their mouths until DC/Warner chickened out, turned tail and ran from not just Green lantern #2, but Flash as well, and keep waffling around about JLA. So what needs to happen is DC/Warner grows some courage, moves ahead, hires some talent, does GL #2 and Flash and JLA, and the critics who have anything negative to say need to stick both feet up their (*where the sun don’t shine*) and keep walking until they disappear!

    • You just sound like a Marvel hater. This is not a competition and stating that marvel is dying makes you sound like a fool since IM3 is the #5 on the all time grosses list. You sound like FOX news with your bull.

    • So did you forget all the horrible superman movies(3 and 4),batman forever and batman and robin? Jonah Hex? Catwoman? Please stop acting like all DC films are epic. Man of steel was good,not great.

  10. Gunn already tweeted Cosmo’s gear last year. Glad to see Knowhere is confirmed. A dog has his home and our heroes have their HQ. Nice!

    I can totally see Benicio Del Toro playing Ronan the Accuser over Lee Pace. Ronan doesn’t have to be killed off. Tbh Ronan isn’t a villain. He can be the main antagonist but not a villain. Ronan is a neutral character.

    I’m still and will be taking all this info with a hefty pound of salt.

    My gut is saying that Lee Pace might be Adam Warlock.

    If Benicio Del Toro isn’t playing anyone that has been rumored, I can totally see him pulling off Garthan Saal.

  11. I LOVE how people are saying that Marvel is going down the toilet just because they are having a pissy fit over the ending of IM3. Calm down. IM3 was a good movie, not spectacular, but just because ONE movie wasn’t enough to make your eyes piss tears doesn’t mean the entire company is going downhill. Smh at all these complainers. If you don’t want to ever see a Marvel movie ever again, that’s great. But leave your b***h-fit for somewhere else, while the rest of us continue to enjoy these quality movies.

    • True words were never spoken

    • You are amazing and have common sense

  12. I’m happy with this. I think it’s time they start expanding their cinematic universe. They own the rights to a lot of characters and just got back some high value ones. They can’t squeeze them all into an Avengers movie every couple of years so making some stand alone movies in the same universe with some tie ins to the core series is a good idea. Just canonizing some characters will go a long way.

  13. Whoops! Change “their” to “there” in the last paragraph. I know, I know, I’m a grammar nazi.

    • Thanks for the catch. It’s been updated.

  14. That’s great news about Black Widow. That’s the one thing I’ve been bothered about is how we never learn very much about her character and she ends up not being very easy to connect to when watching her in IM2 or Avengers. It’s not Scarlett’s fault, I think she does a fine job portraying the character. It’s just that she had very little to work with. Same for Hawkeye, to a larger extent.

    • I’m bothered there’s no Hawkeye in Captain America 2. >_<

  15. I think Winter Solder looks great. The rest of the Phase 2 movies will do just fine without having to carry a avengers storyline.

  16. I’d like to see marvel make a few movies based in the same timeline as all of this but not really involved with shield or the Avengers. A Daredevil, punisher, or war machine film were they fight more grounded villains would be awesome. I could see a daredevil film that is similar in tone to the Dark Knight being really good.

  17. Though Captain America: The Winter Soldier will have a major role in leading up to Avengers 2, I bet he himself will have a minor role in the overall movie like he did in the Avengers. I really hope Whedon switches gears here, and make Cap the main character in Avengers 2, instead of RDJ.

    • I remember someone actually timing how much screen time each character got in the Avengers and Cap beat Tony by like 5 seconds more of ST. But your right. Cap has got to be the clear leader in this, and I can see them pulling in the reigns of the Stark character.

  18. Why do you guys hate iron man 3? Sure it had flaws like any other movie but guess what the general audience went to see it

    • Because it was pretty horrible.

  19. Marvel: Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are a good first step towards expanding the roster. Now let’s fast-track Goliath and Wasp as well. Wanna get people all warm and fuzzy and jumping for joy in their seats? For baddies, let’s see Kang, Ultron, Skrulls, and maybe as side-dressing Whirlwind and Diablo.

    • Oh yes, and a REAL Mandarin, rings zapping away and all!

      • I think that ship sailed…..In the MCU Kildrich was the “Mandarin”…and he’s either dead or will make a comeback eventually. My money is on dead.

  20. Meh. I’m fine with GOTG being a stand alone. I agree that having Iron Man flying by with his one-liners would be pretty distracting and a bit shoe-horned in. They gotta first sell me on the talking trees and raccoons before anything else.

    I’m more interested in seeing the division in SHIELD with Winter Soldier and Avengers2 and how that could possibly even divide the Avengers, with some taking SHIELD’S side and others rebelling. Particularly since the whole Coalson “death” would totally ruffle some feathers.

  21. Smells like a setup for a civil war type of thing down the road

    • That’s what I was thinking. Team Capt. America vs Tony Stark.

  22. I don’t remember any tease to the widows bite! can someone please refresh my memory??

    • I was thinking the same thing…

    • On the bridge outside of Grand Central Station during the Battle of New York, she gets knocked onto a car, and reaches up – electrocuting a Chitauri in the neck using an energy weapon on her wrist.

      Happens right at the beginning of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfNZlfOedo0

      A lot of people thought that was Joss Whedon offering a quick nod to her Widow’s Bite weaponry.

      • thank you for that, i thought it was just the armor of the chitatri (sp)shorting out

  23. I think this is all good news. Sounds pretty smart to me

  24. There is talk about a short film Marvel has made with the “Howling Commandos” and other WW2 characters from Cap 1 that they are planning to show at ComicCon. I wonder if Scarlett will be in that; the Black Widow in the comics was a Soviet Supersoldier who was born in 1927, and fought in WW2. She has a healing factor, so doesn’t age. Maybe they will go that way in the movie.

  25. I hope “Knowhere” is still the severed head of a Celestial.

    It’s a lot more likely that Del Toro will be playing Ronan rather than The Collector. Ronan is a much more important character, especially regarding Thanos, as Ronan is his son in the Ultimate universe. And it’s likely that they won’t be killing off Ronan, he’ll probably be doing Thanos’ biding for some time. The Collector is an arbitrary character, and I can’t understand why they’re squeezing him into the movie in the first place.

  26. Lee pace should be playing Richard Rider.

  27. It doesn’t involve any of the Avengers, yet takes place during the time of those films…

    Why? What is the point of doing that? It’s a stupid choice for a time setting because apparently, it is involved in some way with Avengers or else they wouldn’t have done that.

  28. I’ll give it the old Netflix watch.

  29. I think Benicio is gonna mo-cap Thanos. Multi-pic deal… makes sense, he has the voice and attitude for it. He can be menacing enough.

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