In an IESB interview for The Unborn, director/writer David Goyer says all DC properties are currently on hold for the time being in regards to film development. This comes as confirmation of what we’ve previously suspected.
When probed about Supermax and Justice League, Goyer had this to say.
“A lot of the DC movies at Warner Brothers are all on hold while they figure out, they’re going to come up with some new plan, methodology, things like that so everything has just been pressed pause at the moment.”
Including the two movies mentioned, Superman and Green Lantern would also be on hold. With an across the board freeze, Warner Bros. may be looking to create a cohesive DC Universe.
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The follow-up question asked whether or not this was attributed to the success of The Dark Knight and Goyer continued.
“It was the double header of both ‘Iron Man’ and ‘The Dark Knight’ coming out, so more than ever I think they’ve realized, I think DC was responsible for 15% of Warner Brother’s revenue this year, something crazy like that, so they realized that comic books, it’s become a new genre, one of the most successful genres.”
Because Goyer mentions Iron Man, when he could’ve easily just agreed, Screen Rant is led to believe this decision has something to do with what Marvel has built. Perhaps this new “methodology” means tying the films together, much like the other comic publisher has been able to do.
Although Christopher Nolan has been adamant against other costumed heroes existing in Batman’s Universe, perhaps something has changed. The revealed plan of Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America that eventually leads to an Avergers‘ movie could be mirrored in the same fashion to bring about a movie for the Justice League. If Nolan were included–or dare I say, heading–the new plan, DC could create a stronger foundation than what Marvel has already started.
When porting over comic book characters, DC comics has also had a considerable advantage over Marvel. Because all the DC characters are owned solely by Warner Bros., The WB has complete control of integration between characters and a free range of when to use them. Green Lantern and Superman can easily cameo in each other’s individual films and Wonder Woman can create a presence in another property before leading in her own feature. Whatever this “new plan” or “methodology” is, Warner Bros. could turn its DC property into a cash cow and avoid their recent fiancial problems. So long as their films are on par with The Dark Knight, the 15% of revenue that DC provides could be more than a rare occurrence.
Goyer did not answer the next question about Batman. When asked “so when do you guys start writing the third,” he replied “can’t say.”
Is Warner Bros. taking a holistic approach to the DC Universe?
Source: IESB
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“When porting over comic book characters, DC comics has also had a considerable advantage over Marvel. Because all the DC characters are owned solely by Warner Bros.”
Not picking a fight, but isn’t that what Marvel can do now they have their own Movie Studio?
Or did I miss something? (Which would not be unusual…)
Marvel Studios is not in creative control of X-Men, Spider-Man, DareDevil, Electra, Fantastic Four… the list goes on.
So Marvel character movies that are released, but not from Marvel Studios, end up being lackluster movies (as exemplified by the aforementioned popcorn movies). Basically, Marvel would have to jump a few hoops to get Wolverine to cross over into a Captain America/Iron Man/Hulk movie, and makes it all entirely unlikely.
Although, there are plenty of other characters–not signed over to studios–that would make interesting movies.
Ah. I see your point.
Cheers Carl!
“Marvel Studios is not in creative control of X-Men, Spider-Man, DareDevil, Electra, Fantastic Four… the list goes on.”
I don’t think that’s completely accurate. Marvel owns the rights to these characters. I think that they *lend* the film rights to some of their characters to other studios since it serves them as a revenu. This, combined with deals they made with some banks, is what helped them to fund for their own studio.
But the point is the film rights eventually comes back to them and must be renewed again with Marvel’s agreement and permission. So in this manner they do have some control over their characters. One day, they could simply not renew the film rights and bring their characters back into the Marvel universe.
I remember reading about this online somewhere when they were making deals for the spider-man and punisher films. Apparently, the way their contract works is that the studio (FOX, Sony, etc) is contractually obligated to make a film before the contract expires which is about 3 or 4 years from the time it is signed. If the movie does not get made Marvel gets money in compensation. If it does get made within the period, Marvel also receives a fixed amount that grows exponentially for every contract renewal.
There was a great article about this somewhere. I’ll see if i can find it.
YOu would call the first two Spiderman films and X2 popcorn flicks ? Or were you only refering to Electra Dardevil and fantastic four ? I thought X2 was the best Marvel Movie made yet had a strong story an emotional ending it was all there.
As long as they do the films correctly, I don’t mind waiting. And I agree with Daniel F that the first 2 Spiderman movies and X2 were great. Of course, I’m getting older so hopefully they won’t wait too long.
Marvel is not only beginning to merge their characters, despite who owns them, their characters are much less “kiddie like,” and serious. I always figured DC comics to be more for little kids growing up, and Marvel for teens. Aside from the Dark Knight, unless serious rewriting occurs, and messing with origins, I really am not interested in seeing superheroes that recharge over a lantern, or supervillains that are nothing more than the superhero in reverse.
I hope WB does their homework and makes sure that ALL DC characters belong to them, last thing you want to see is a finished Flash film being delayed cuz Universal has the rights.
I am Glad I was always cautiously optimistic about Supermax and
Justice League.
No big Surprise .
This is either a really smart move on WB’s part or really stupid.
Its really smart in that, you can create the DC Universe and have all sorts of charactors interacting and part of story arc’s, which would something I would love to see.
Its really Stupid in that, Since they are in midst of a completely different Batman arc, which follows more closely to the graphic novels than the comic books, which has also tweaked a few of the orgin stories of some of its charactors and introduced new ones. If they were to do this DC unvivser story arc-type thing, it would have to coicide with this new Batman universe, which would ultimatly mean a change in a lot of the Origin Stories of DC’s Hereoes, partucularily Superman or The Green Lattern, since they are more supernatural and paranormal.
Hopefully this does not blow up in their face. My recommendation, wait until you close out the current Batman Story arc, and after a couple of years, reintroduce a different Batman Story arc, because fans won’t like it if you have two different Batman’s running aroun on Film, think of the Mass Confusion.
@Daniel F
Although Singer’s X-Men was good it fails in comparison to what we’ve seen from Iron Man, in terms of sticking close to the source material. The effects were great, but the characters aren’t accurately ported over. Lady Deathstrike is barely a shadow of her comic counterpart and X2 overall is nothing like “God Loves, Man Kills.” And I left quite disappointed.
@Metallicat79
I think a cohesive DC Universe is completely possible, because there are a number of things that happen in other cities outside of my own that I’d never hear about until it was really big news. The world outside of Gotham has not been shown and there’s little to stop a “hero” showing up in Central City.
When I was working on my personal/self-commissioned DC screenplay, a woman reporter from Metropolis asked Commissioner Gordon about the death of two acrobatic parents and what’s to happen to their son.
@ Carl Lee
Showing things outside Gotham is not the issue for me, what my issue is that In this new Batman universe, it in a more realistic tone, and does not acknowledge the supernatural or paranormal aspects.This would IMO, mean that you would have to recreate the orgins of Superman and some of the other major heroes in the DC universe.
I also have the tendancy to talk out of my butt a lot.
Umm…why didn’t DC start this seven years ago after the sucess of X-Men for FOX and Spider-man for Sony..Had they not the foresight to see that this genre was and still is ripe for the picking..I mean they owned the rights to all these characters for a lot of years now and are still sitting on their hands wondering how they should tie it all together…Just another example to me of how Warner and DC will be always second string to Marvel and the universe they are creating..Marvel is doing it more effectively and they only have rights to half their characters..Warners has control of all DC characters and they are still trying to discover the best “route” to take to bring that universe to life…Stop wasting time WB and get a Green Lantern movie out there..get a Flash movie done for cripers sake..Stop playing second fiddle to Marvel studios..Start playing with the big boys and take some chances with some of those great characters you own…Bunch of Patsies…
This sucks! It’s been almost a YEAR and they don’t have their act together yet??? Puh-lease! They’re gonna stall the beejesus out of the Green Lantern film just like they did with the JLA film.
And if this is because of Nolan, fuh-git him! Don’t let him hold back the rest of the DCU with his narrow-minded policy of “my Batman lives in his own universe” BS. Either make his ass part of the plan or kick him out! Small thinking like that the DCU can do without, they can survive without Nolan. Forge Batman, Superman, Flash, WW, and GL films that are compatible with each other and give us a gawdam JLA movie already – make the DC FILM U!
GL’s script is ready to go (I’ve seen the first draft, it was already good the way it was they just needed to fix the end, get rid of one ridiculous scene, and some of the “Transformers” style writing for Hal Jordan, honestly, a few of the lines he said I felt were something that Shia Labeouf would say and not Hal Jordan), it’s in its 5th draft now so they’ve no doubt removed some of the “errors”. And let Geoff Johns write The Flash film, dammit! He writes great comics, is familiar with the movie biz, and is a HUGE Barry Allen fan – he’s perfect!
Get the act together already, guys! Hell, I’ll write the damn Superman movie.
And I’ll write the next Batman film and Wonder Woman film, Because I waited Eight years now and I am getting sick of all this
procrastination as well. And why no mention of Martian Manhunter/John Jones. He has gotta have a film as well.
Know something? Yeah! Martian Manhunter must have a movie as well, I don’t care if he’s dead in the comics or not! And damn Aquaman had better get a movie too. Yes, I said it. AQUAMAN. Cuz if Marvel’s doing movies about their bottom of the barrel second stringers like Elektra and now a Wolverine solo flick and WB had the cajonies to make a sh*tfest Catwoman, then dammit, we had better get and Aquaman and Martian manhunter film!!!
*setps off podium*
lol Kel, I like your style
I kinda agree on the Nolan thing – I dont like how everyone is bowing down to him and stalling/stopping/preventing other projects using batman or robin because of him – Worse to me is how he seems not to care about the rest of the Universe or tie-ins that could make for great films.
Thanks, man.
Rob, that is exactly my point. TDK was awesome, but Nolan can’t be allowed to stall the other DC projects with his small mindedness.
I really don’t want to see all D.C. movies in the same gritty world as TDK. It worked alright for Batman, but most of the others would be out of place.
Nolan has stated that he doesn’t like the super-hero genre and by super-hero he means super powered beings..Batman is never called a super-hero in the Nolan films and he is only referred to as a masked vigilante..WB would not even be in this position to make these other films if not for the success of TDK & BB which were Nolan’s babies all the way..WB owes Nolan big time…I think he’ll be allowed to finish his vision for the trilogy without tie-ins to other DC characters..but that is no reason to think they can’t proceed with a Green Lantern movie or Flash movie because they are worried what Nolan will think or how it will interfere with his vision..If there is no possibility of doing cameos of other characters in the Batman universe then do a new Superman film and drop some cameos and fanboy stuff to tease us as to how they want to proceed to a JL movie..Nolan wrote, produced and directed the Batman resurrection.. KEL what you’re talking about is killing the golden goose by getting rid of Nolan because he wants to finish his Batman trilogy without letting it be bastardized into a film where super powered cameos are placed throughout to sell other DC characters in their own feature films.Nolan has stated all along that other heroes (even Robin) were not a part of his vision for the Batman franchise, so why is everyone suprised by this now?!..I disagree with you on that point…Like I said WB owes Nolan big time…and Rob Nolan doesn’t care at all about the DC universe or how good the movies will be that come from other DC characters…As far as he is concerned there is only one hero in the DC universe and that is TDK..
Cheers
I agree completely with GreenKnight. Don’t kick Nolan to the curb, he essentially gave all those other DC heroes an opportunity to be made into film heroes, and he helped to finance those with all that money.
Leave Bat’s alone until Nolan is done doing his thing. Do a new Superman, and toss in some Flash stuff. Do a GL film, and toss in some Martian Manhunter. Save Batman for later. You don’t have to do it now.
Look, if for nothing else, wait out of respect for Nolan and everything he has done for the genre. Whether or not he likes Super heroes, it doesnt matter. So we wont get a Metropolis Reference in the Bat sequel. So what. Move on with other things first. Establish your other characters.
Did Iron Man referrence every single hero who is in the Avengers? Did the Incredible Hulk do it? NO
In the same regard as Greenknight and Jon, I really believe that Nolan should be allowed to, at the very least, finish wrapping up his Batman series.If it were not for TDK sucess, it would not have opened the door as wide as it is for the rest of the DC Universe heroes.
But I digress,is not the purpose of this article to talk about the awesomeness of WB/DC following n the footsteps of Marvel and creating the DC universe and have other heroes interacting with other heroes.
Its not about Nolan or his Batman Universe and tailoring all DC heroes to fit into Nolans Universe. All I was saying was that its a good move to put it all on hold until after Nolan has done what he needs to. But that should not stop them from doing other heroes.Invest some time into Wonder Woman or an actual Superman movie about Superman and not Lois Lane.
@ KEL
Could you please explain how Nolan’s small mindedness would affect Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman or Superman or Aquaman or Martian Manhunter..all Nolan has stated is that he doesn’t want Batman appearing in any other WB DC flicks (until he finishes his trilogy) because he has created a Batman Universe that could be believable in our world..Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman could not exist in our world and are thereby relegated to the realm of fantasy Sci-Fi and not the action crime-drama that was this past summers TDK. Again it would not affect any of these previously mentioned fantasy hero movies that WB would like to create..Just leave the Batman out of these and bring Flash, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern into a new Superman film and then go from there. WB does not need Nolan’s permission to do other properties..they want Nolan to finish his vision and they just want their other properties to be of the same quality as the new Batman franchise..
I really want to see a Green Lantern film. He is my favorite outside of Batman, SPiderman ..SPiderman and Batman have been done exceptionally well so I hope this trend will continue with GL and Flash…
I agree with you Metallicat79..go forth and prosper to other DC franchises…ALthough I honestly don’t think Wonder Woman can ever work on the big screen in her own movie…SHe would be great in an ensemble movie or a guest appearance in another DC film but not on her own…
Cheers
Here’s my two cents…
Maybe WB should just make seperate franchises for each character without worrying about crossing over characters (e.g. Batman trilogy; superman trilogy e.t.c).
I think this would allow for better movies because it would allow each film to have it’s own creative vision.
THEN maybe do a completely seperate JLA franchise where a director puts his spin on ALL the JLA superheroes. To differentiate it from the other franchises maybe it could be CGI as well.
The main problem is that the DC characters vary in tone so much; whereas Marvels heroes/graphic novels are more or less in the same artistic theme.
Guys,
I’m saying Nolan should finish his films, yes. But WB wants to get a gameplan together that links Batman somehow, probably Nolan’s Batman considering how well established it is already, and Nolan is saying “Mine!” Mine!” Mine!”, it seems he’s not being a team player. This doesn’t mean another DC character has to appear in his film, just that WB wants to set the other DC characters in Nolan’s Batman’s world so they can use his Batman in a JLA or World’s Finest film, at the very least, it seems they want to use his Batman in other movies and he doesn’t want them to. And here everyone is complaining that other DC characters would not fit into his comparatively dull world, which is something that he recently pointed out, which is something that I said waaaaaaay back when they were fast tracking the JLA film in approval of them using a “seperate” Batman as opposed to using Nolan’s Batman – but nooooo, the rest of the fans could not have it – it had to be Nolan’s Batman or no Batman. Now DC is trying to use his Batman and because Nolan says “no” everyone’s done a 180 and agrees with him. Some fans are unpleasable. DC should not have to sit on their hands waiting for fire to come down from Mount Nolan before they do another DC movie. Nobody’s saying he can’t do his Batman, we’re just saying he should later “share” his Batman with the rest of the DCU so they can set up a film continuity, and Nolan isn’t being a team player. They want to use his Batman because it’s already established as opposed to starting over again with a new Batman in conjunction with a gameplan from the start (again, my argument for why they should use a “seperate” Batman in things like a JLA film – because I don’t think Nolan’s Batman is compatible with it). And honestly, cameos aside, does anyone REALLY think a reference to “Metropolis” or “Central City” is going to ruin a Batman movie? Why not have references like that? They’re just names of cities, and for those of you saying “Nolan’s movies are grounded in realism”, how does referencing these cities detract from the film’s verisimilitude? Did you forget that Gotham isn’t a real city? Did you forget that no man could survive a 20 story fall (re: TDK)? None of those things are “real”, they’re just as far fetched to me as a man from another planet or a guy who runs fast. I’m not saying they have to introduce DC characters in the next Nolan film, I’m not saying they shouldn’t make the next Nolan Batman, I’m saying why can’t they use the Nolan Batman after Nolan is done with it? Why can’t they incorporate references to Nolan’s Batman in other DC movies, even while his proverbial third film is happening? Why should they have to come up with an entirely new strategy that leaves Nolan’s Batman out but links every other DC film because of some artsy rhetoric Nolan spewed like “my character doesn’t know superheroes exist”? (they don’t have to ever be called “superheroes”, BTW, even the ones with powers) Batman couldn’t exist in our world either – even Nolan’s Batman. Don’t kid yourselves. So Nolan should finish his “vision” but they should make more DC films, and if they chose to, after Nolan is done with his franchise, they should be able to use his Batman, altho I don’t think Christian Bale will ever be in another Batman or related movie post Nolan, so they may as well leave the boy who doesn’t want to be a part of the team out of the new gameplan and focus on introducing a new Batman compatible with other DC characters in something like a Superman/Batman teamup movie. They could make at least one of those films and then use the Batman from that film in JLA and in other DC films.
Guys, don’t act like Nolan is solely responsible for WB’s new interest in comic book movies, Iron Man is what really got their attention, what Marvel is doing is what caught their eye. If not, they’d just go back to their old stategy of doing endless Batman movies, especially with the success of TDK. Had it not been for Iron Man, we wouldn’t even be hearing about GL. They’re trying to link these movies together and Nolan isn’t cool with it. They won’t go ahead until they’ve found a way to link them together in some new game plan. So what I’m saying is if Nolan doesn’t want to play, either ignore him or get someone who sees the big picture. And bring on The Flash (Barry Allen, origin), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan, origin), Superman (allude to the origin but take it in a NEW direction), and Wonder Woman (origin)(who can have a film that’s just as good as the other characters, especially if Marvel is going to do Thor and has already done Elektra and Wolverine – the new animated WW flick may help do away with the negative train of thought towards a WW movie)….and eventually JLA. I don’t care what anybody says, I’m a comic book fan, and want to see a JLA film, dammit.
Hope that made sense.
Nolan is not solely responsible, but he plays a pretty damn big part! And after all the money he made them, isn’t he deserving of a chance to make a third film? They don’t have to involve Nolan’s batman in JLA. He can finish, and they can do something completely different. If they have to use Nolan’s batman, then they’d have to use Singer’s Superman, and he sucked. It doesn’t have to be the same world. To ignore Nolan after TDK would be classless and ridiculous. He’s earned the right to finish, and then they can do whatever the hell they want with Batman.
@KEL
did you read my posts? or has the fire that’s raining down from Mount Nolan clouded my judgement?
It wasn’t Iron Man that got WB attention(although I’m sure it’s success didn’t hurt either)..it was Nolans Dark Knight..one of their own properties and not one of Marvel’s properties.Hence the reasoning for WB wanting to take a lot more of their DC properties in a darker direction ala TDK which was very different from Iron MAn. I’m sorry but Superman ‘flying” or GL using his ring to morph objects into whatever he can think of seems to lack the verisimilitude of Nolan’s TDK & BB..Of course I know Batman is not real, that Gotham is not real..and yes they are just movies..but at least he made us believe that Batman could exist in our real world..something as I said before cannot even begin to be remotely done with Superman, GL, WW or Flash because they lack realism in our real world..they are fantastic characters whose powers will relegate them to the Sci-Fi fantasy genre..
Once Nolan is finished the trilogy, that Batman from Nolan’s films belongs to WB and is their property, hence that will be the Batman we see in upcoming WB releases that mention Batman & the not so real Gotham…and you can be sure that almost every DC or Marvel property that is made will be compared to Nolan’s Batman movies because they are the new standard for the genre(and I’m not dissing Iron Man and Jon Farveau either)If it is ok for WB to take Superman in another direction(via a reboot again) what is the problem with waiting for Nolan to finish the third film and then taking that character in another direction..the problem is that Superman returns was not even in the same league as the new Batman franchise
This is just my opinion dude and I appreciate your lengthy response. I would love to see Flash, GL, JL, Shazam, Teen Titans, and most of the DC characters make their way to celluloid as I too have been a comics fan for 30+ years..Very verbose response though and I appreciate the spirit of your words…
Cheers KEL
Ironman may have been closer to the source, but X2 was a Superior film. It had more depth and a much better story. ironman to me was a very exciting and enjoyable popcorn flick but nothing more. There was a lack of depth or any emotion. It was funny something blew up it was funny and then funny some more. X2 was a better film.
If I recall correctly in the comic books, Batman is a part-time member and is also the outsider personality of the Justice League.
The comics book writers should have just made a better story line to fit Batman into the world of Superman,flash, Green Lanturn.
Also, no one can blame Nolan for making the point that Batman has to exist in his own world and Batman has not seen any superheros. Can you name any good DC superhero films apart from Batman ? The Superman Returns film by Bryan Singer was a total let down. And Bryan Singer is a good director. Now Warner Bros. has to inject some fate into Nolan that his Batman can fit into the Justice League by making a completely uncorny Green Lanturn and Superman film.
Another approach can be to just omit Batman out of the Justice League film and just use Green Arrow. All these points are assuming that Warner Bros. will not make a Batman rebot to be tailored into a future Justice League film.
Now Avengers from Marvel will work becasue each member is basicaly superhuman-like. Plus there is a proper team structure as a pose to the Justice League. The avengers is held together by Nick Fury and Captain America cranks out the orders . In the Justice League , there is not actual leader as anyone of them can lead- just make Batman or Superman the leader. Could not hurt, they are both smart.
What Warner Bros. needs is a Justice League visionary just like Nolan was a visionary for Batman.
@Daniel F
For me, X2 is tough to watch. Wolverine “taking the kids out” was just another example of what Fox does to source material. Look how they’ve handled Watchmen, there wasn’t anything they could adjust or change “to make a better story” so they turned it down. That’s how Fox has always done it, and X2 is a victim of that.
@greenknight333, @Jon, @Kel…. (basically everyone)
On the whole Nolan-verse, I want to clarify that he hasn’t said it’s to be a trilogy, he could go to do 3-4 more chapters. I’d say he’s in it for the story, if there’s a good story to tell then he’s willing to do it (and that’s what they’re searching for now). I think when directors start approaching something like a trilogy, it tends to fail… just write the next chapters like TDK was the next chapter after BB.
When it comes to the rest of the DC Universe, they better be “good stories” too, or audiences will get another “Superman Returns.” Yeah I’d like to see a JL but if it’s going to be some campy mash-up, I’ll pass. My problem with a JL (and an Avengers) movie, is there better be a good reason to assemble a team. [I was excited with the prospect of Incredible Hulk gone wild and a team is needed to bring him down, but who knows.]
Why would JL assemble, has there been any good villains that have warranted this, or has it just been all the villains teaming up?
@ Carl Lee
I really don’t think it will be the hulk that will be the unifying force for the Avengers film..It looked to me as if Banner was learning to get the transformation and hence the Hulk under control at the end of the Incredible Hulk movie this past summer..I think it may be Ultron and the AI angle with Ultron taking over control of most of the worlds technology and satellites and weapons and what not…and you’re right he(Nolan) has never stated it was a trilogy but he kind of left the story hanging at the end of TDK to kind of lead into the third chapter which will have to be the redemption portion of the trilogy..
Cheers
@Jon
They wouldn’t have to use Singer’s Superman if they were going to use Nolan’s Batman in a JLA film. I don’t know why you say that – it isn’t like they share the same U. Matter of fact, they aren’t compatible at all. For starters, Nolan’s Batman is just begining and is played by an “older” actor (older than Routh at least), while Singer’s Superman has existed for at least 6 years yet is played by a comparatively younger actor than Bale. Superman and Batman in the comics are the same age, pergaps Superman is a couple months older but there isn’t a noticable gap in age like the one seen with Bale and Routh. They don’t fit at all, but I’m sure you already knew that.
This is part of why I was against using Routh and Bale in a JLA film, especially their respective directors takes on those characters, they could only use one or the other, IMO, as far as story compatability goes.
@greenknight333
LOL. Yes, I did read your posts. And just re-read them, lol. “Mount Nolan” LOL. Can’t believe I said that heheh. But you understand that there was a time when Batman’s existance in our “real” world was just as far fetched an idea as GL or Superman’s existance in our U? I don’t think it’s impossible to make Superman or GL or any of them as “believable” as Nolan has made Batman. They just need the right guys to do it. Just my opinion. And that’s precisely what science fiction is; taking something that is real and expanding on it, seeing what the possibilities are based on “our reality’s laws”, asking “what if?”, that’s what all superheroes do, and IMO, Batman does that, only on a much smaller scale than someone like GL or Superman. And like I said, I’m cool with them using a different Batman in a couple years when a JLA film is finally made, I think they should and have said so from the time they announced the JLA film, but the “majority” pissed and moaned that they weren’t using Bale (and Routh), despite the sensible reasons given (by myself at least heheh). Now it seems that WB/DC is trying to work something out with Nolan’s Batman and the “majority” is complaining…again. It seems they’re unpleasable to me. Do they want Christian Bale in a JLA or other DC film as Batman or not? If Nolan wants to do another Batman film, I’m fine with it, as long as after he’s done WB uses Batman in other DC films (I don’t care if it’s Nolan’s Batman or not) and Nolan keeps his trap shut about it. So basically, I think you and I are on the same page…I think.
LOL. “Verbose” That’s me heheh. Don’t know when ta shut up lol.
@FRED
Although at first he was a “part timer”, Batman currently is a full time JLA member in the comics. The comics have always found a way to come up with logical reasons for Batman to be a part of the JLA stories, same can be done in the movies. And they don’t have to use Nolan’s Batman in the JLA film, they could use something like a DC Movie Universe Batman if they chose not to use Nolan’s. No offense to you, but if the WB decides not to use Batman in a JLA film (to appease Nolan or for any reason at all) then they can kiss my fanboy ass! Hell, no! Batman is just as much a part of the JLA as any of the other members, he’s one of the founding members, the original seven, they can’t make a JLA movie without him! Batman can most certainly work in a JLA film. I think he should be done the way they did him in Grant Morrison’s run – just keep him the brains of the outfit, he doesn’t get involved in the action too much. And in the JLA there is a very proper team structure: Superman is the leader (naturally), Batman is the tactician/strategist, Wonder Woman is the ambassador, etc. There’s a place for everyone in the JLA, even Aquaman (someone’s gotta have permanent monitor duty, right? LOL). But I agree, WB needs a JLA visionary (I suggest myself!!! heheh
) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen), the Atom (Ray Palmer), Hawkman, Hawkwoman, Plastic Man and/or Elongated Man, Black Canary, and other DC characters can appear as cameos and/or in sequels. And they have to use the original 7, the founding members in the first movie. I won’t accept anything else. 
@Carl Lee
The JLA has assembled for multiple reasons in the comics, usually an alien invasion of sorts is the cause (Starro, the White Martians, etc). But there doesn’t have to be a big, in depth explanation for the team, they can just “be”, kinda like the Joker in TDK. I mean really, 7 superheroes pool their effects – why not? What’s more to explain? Of course, they could do a really intteresting origin story, IMO, but just starting with the team as already being establsihed for a few years would work just as well, IMO.
You hit the nail right on the head Kel. That is exactly my point. Nolan’s Batman is not in the same universe as the other characters are being put in. So why do we have to axe Nolan now? Give him one more Bat film, so he can end on a trilogy if he wants it, and THEN include Batman in the Universe they are establishing in GL, WW, and even Superman. They are not the same, so it shouldn’t matter what Nolan does with Batman. If he wants to do another, he has earned it. They can wait and THEN change Batman. They don’t have to do it now. That is all I’m saying. We don’t need to shaft Nolan just because he doesn’t want his vision of the character in JLA and the Universe DC is attempting to create. Have some patience.
@Jon
Agreed, Jon, ol’ buddy.
That said, I want a damn JLA film within the next 8 years. I don’t want to be taking my grandkids to see it. LOL.
Ha! I like your enthusiasm Kel. You’re alright in my book.
Us comic book geeks have to stick together.
I would like to see a JLA film too. But first, I want to see a Martian Manhunter film. Kel, you may appreciate this…
They should use the storyline from the MM series in 98, featuring his brother Ma’alefa’ak. They could use it as a lead in to the Martian Manhunter joining the league, as they were a part of that storyline.
Thanks, Jon. Same to you, bro.
And that would be absolutely brilliant for a MM film. They could establish his home on Mars – what it was like before it was gone – that would be sweet.
Grant Morrison is an awesome writer. I dig your idea, man. 
Checking out MovieGuys later. Expect more posts from me!
Speaking of the Justice League, did you ever see the Justice League of America pilot film on CBS? Man was that a stinkfest!
Yes! My God did that suck!! And they tried doing it without the original 7, even cut out the BIG 3. Of course it would fail lol.
Hey, did you ever see the ’70s “Legends of the Superpowers” TV special? That was really sucky but kinda hilarious – Batman, played by Adam West, was staring at Huntress’ ass in a couple scenes, they didn’t cut it out so it was funny.
Yeah man. It was real campy, I liked it. Adam West is awesome. That Batman show could’ve easily pissed me off, being a comic fan, but I couldn’t stop laughing at it. The best part? Romero’s Joker refused to shave his mustache, so they just put white facepaint over it.
Bam! POW! ZIPEE!
I know! Isn’t that funny about the mustache? He said the stache was what got him his first job in the hollywood biz and he could never shave it lol.
Wow, Jon and Kel have highjacked this board. Haha. I’d love to see Bruce Timm and crew toss out some Justice League scripts, and maybe the solo films before that. They did such an awesome job with Justice League, and some episodes of Unlimited were like constant geek-gasms. Gotta say though, don’t need that much depth. I mean, who honestly cares about Vigilante and Mr. Terrific? Nobody, that’s who. And making Hawkgirl one of the founding members was retahded(Boston accent makes it less hurtful.) And lets keep it out of the realm of alien invasion as much as possible, we want to see Justice League, not Independence day meets superfriends. That would suck. Now the Question(I love Vic Sage, but he also doesn’t warrant an appearance in the first JLA film) is who should the first one feature? I’m saying Flash, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern(which one?), Aquaman, Martian Manhunter. And if I had to pick a GL to help found the League, I’m gonna say Hal. Maybe have him pass the legacy to John Stewart after some giant crisis in the second film, like becoming Parallax. Thoughts, guys?
I don’t care if Nolan say “not his version of Bats for the JLA”,just get that sucker out to the masses with a good story kick ass SFX and great acting.
batman still could be used in JLA,remember ,there has been a batman since the 30’s and the heroe has been changed over the years nolans version is just an updated vision ,it’s the heroe that remains always.As for superman get him inspace to battle Darksied and his crew.People don’t remember but it was John Stewarts version of GL that saved the comic book
im all for it. i hope all those movies get made. goyer really knows his work. david s. goyer directed blade trinity. i cant wait to see goyer direct another comic book movie. he’s been a great writer and producer for a lot of comic book films. he supported the blade franchise from the getgo. i hope he continues to support the blade franchise; rather in directing, writing, or producer. and also batman.
i think goyer can get the job done. good luck david s. goyer.
I say Warner Bros. should take the same approach as Marvel and have a number of DC comic heroes excist in the same universe. The heroe line up id like to see would be Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Green lantern and Green Arrow. and maybe in the sequel add Aquaman and Hawkgirl just to have another Female hero. I like Huntthejest on possibly Hal Jordan passing the torch to John Stewart before he becomes Parallax. The villains id like to see in a Justice League film would be ethier Amanda Waller, CADMUS ETC. or the Crime Sydicate. To cover Doomsday and the death and return of Superman would be have to be long movie, or more than one movie to cover. Nothin like the animated version of the death of Superman. Heck, Warner Bros. should hire Bruce Timm and his team to make the films since they did an awesome job with their animated series.
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