David Goyer: Warner Bros. Putting DC Movies On Hold

Published 6 years ago by , Updated February 10th, 2012 at 7:21 am,

david goyer David Goyer: Warner Bros. Putting DC Movies On HoldIn an IESB interview for The Unborn, director/writer David Goyer says all DC properties are currently on hold for the time being in regards to film development. This comes as confirmation of what we’ve previously suspected.

When probed about Supermax and Justice League, Goyer had this to say.

“A lot of the DC movies at Warner Brothers are all on hold while they figure out, they’re going to come up with some new plan, methodology, things like that so everything has just been pressed pause at the moment.”

Including the two movies mentioned, Superman and Green Lantern would also be on hold. With an across the board freeze, Warner Bros. may be looking to create a cohesive DC Universe.

The follow-up question asked whether or not this was attributed to the success of The Dark Knight and Goyer continued.

“It was the double header of both ‘Iron Man’ and ‘The Dark Knight’ coming out, so more than ever I think they’ve realized, I think DC was responsible for 15% of Warner Brother’s revenue this year, something crazy like that, so they realized that comic books, it’s become a new genre, one of the most successful genres.”

Because Goyer mentions Iron Man, when he could’ve easily just agreed, Screen Rant is led to believe this decision has something to do with what Marvel has built. Perhaps this new “methodology” means tying the films together, much like the other comic publisher has been able to do.

Although Christopher Nolan has been adamant against other costumed heroes existing in Batman‘s Universe, perhaps something has changed. The revealed plan of Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America that eventually leads to an Avergers‘ movie could be mirrored in the same fashion to bring about a movie for the Justice League. If Nolan were included–or dare I say, heading–the new plan, DC could create a stronger foundation than what Marvel has already started.

When porting over comic book characters, DC comics has also had a considerable advantage over Marvel. Because all the DC characters are owned solely by Warner Bros., The WB has complete control of integration between characters and a free range of when to use them. Green Lantern and Superman can easily cameo in each other’s individual films and Wonder Woman can create a presence in another property before leading in her own feature. Whatever this “new plan” or “methodology” is, Warner Bros. could turn its DC property into a cash cow and avoid their recent fiancial problems. So long as their films are on par with The Dark Knight, the 15% of revenue that DC provides could be more than a rare occurrence.

Goyer did not answer the next question about Batman. When asked “so when do you guys start writing the third,” he replied “can’t say.”

Is Warner Bros. taking a holistic approach to the DC Universe?

Source: IESB

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  1. Marvel Studios is not in creative control of X-Men, Spider-Man, DareDevil, Electra, Fantastic Four… the list goes on.

    So Marvel character movies that are released, but not from Marvel Studios, end up being lackluster movies (as exemplified by the aforementioned popcorn movies). Basically, Marvel would have to jump a few hoops to get Wolverine to cross over into a Captain America/Iron Man/Hulk movie, and makes it all entirely unlikely.

    Although, there are plenty of other characters–not signed over to studios–that would make interesting movies.

  2. “When porting over comic book characters, DC comics has also had a considerable advantage over Marvel. Because all the DC characters are owned solely by Warner Bros.”

    Not picking a fight, but isn’t that what Marvel can do now they have their own Movie Studio?
    Or did I miss something? (Which would not be unusual…)

  3. Ah. I see your point.

    Cheers Carl!

  4. “Marvel Studios is not in creative control of X-Men, Spider-Man, DareDevil, Electra, Fantastic Four… the list goes on.”

    I don’t think that’s completely accurate. Marvel owns the rights to these characters. I think that they *lend* the film rights to some of their characters to other studios since it serves them as a revenu. This, combined with deals they made with some banks, is what helped them to fund for their own studio.

    But the point is the film rights eventually comes back to them and must be renewed again with Marvel’s agreement and permission. So in this manner they do have some control over their characters. One day, they could simply not renew the film rights and bring their characters back into the Marvel universe.

    I remember reading about this online somewhere when they were making deals for the spider-man and punisher films. Apparently, the way their contract works is that the studio (FOX, Sony, etc) is contractually obligated to make a film before the contract expires which is about 3 or 4 years from the time it is signed. If the movie does not get made Marvel gets money in compensation. If it does get made within the period, Marvel also receives a fixed amount that grows exponentially for every contract renewal.

    There was a great article about this somewhere. I’ll see if i can find it.

  5. YOu would call the first two Spiderman films and X2 popcorn flicks ? Or were you only refering to Electra Dardevil and fantastic four ? I thought X2 was the best Marvel Movie made yet had a strong story an emotional ending it was all there.

  6. As long as they do the films correctly, I don’t mind waiting. And I agree with Daniel F that the first 2 Spiderman movies and X2 were great. Of course, I’m getting older so hopefully they won’t wait too long.

  7. Marvel is not only beginning to merge their characters, despite who owns them, their characters are much less “kiddie like,” and serious. I always figured DC comics to be more for little kids growing up, and Marvel for teens. Aside from the Dark Knight, unless serious rewriting occurs, and messing with origins, I really am not interested in seeing superheroes that recharge over a lantern, or supervillains that are nothing more than the superhero in reverse.

  8. I hope WB does their homework and makes sure that ALL DC characters belong to them, last thing you want to see is a finished Flash film being delayed cuz Universal has the rights.

  9. I am Glad I was always cautiously optimistic about Supermax and
    Justice League.
    No big Surprise .

  10. This is either a really smart move on WB’s part or really stupid.

    Its really smart in that, you can create the DC Universe and have all sorts of charactors interacting and part of story arc’s, which would something I would love to see.

    Its really Stupid in that, Since they are in midst of a completely different Batman arc, which follows more closely to the graphic novels than the comic books, which has also tweaked a few of the orgin stories of some of its charactors and introduced new ones. If they were to do this DC unvivser story arc-type thing, it would have to coicide with this new Batman universe, which would ultimatly mean a change in a lot of the Origin Stories of DC’s Hereoes, partucularily Superman or The Green Lattern, since they are more supernatural and paranormal.

    Hopefully this does not blow up in their face. My recommendation, wait until you close out the current Batman Story arc, and after a couple of years, reintroduce a different Batman Story arc, because fans won’t like it if you have two different Batman’s running aroun on Film, think of the Mass Confusion.

  11. @Daniel F
    Although Singer’s X-Men was good it fails in comparison to what we’ve seen from Iron Man, in terms of sticking close to the source material. The effects were great, but the characters aren’t accurately ported over. Lady Deathstrike is barely a shadow of her comic counterpart and X2 overall is nothing like “God Loves, Man Kills.” And I left quite disappointed.

    I think a cohesive DC Universe is completely possible, because there are a number of things that happen in other cities outside of my own that I’d never hear about until it was really big news. The world outside of Gotham has not been shown and there’s little to stop a “hero” showing up in Central City.

    When I was working on my personal/self-commissioned DC screenplay, a woman reporter from Metropolis asked Commissioner Gordon about the death of two acrobatic parents and what’s to happen to their son.

  12. @ Carl Lee
    Showing things outside Gotham is not the issue for me, what my issue is that In this new Batman universe, it in a more realistic tone, and does not acknowledge the supernatural or paranormal aspects.This would IMO, mean that you would have to recreate the orgins of Superman and some of the other major heroes in the DC universe.
    I also have the tendancy to talk out of my butt a lot.

  13. Umm…why didn’t DC start this seven years ago after the sucess of X-Men for FOX and Spider-man for Sony..Had they not the foresight to see that this genre was and still is ripe for the picking..I mean they owned the rights to all these characters for a lot of years now and are still sitting on their hands wondering how they should tie it all together…Just another example to me of how Warner and DC will be always second string to Marvel and the universe they are creating..Marvel is doing it more effectively and they only have rights to half their characters..Warners has control of all DC characters and they are still trying to discover the best “route” to take to bring that universe to life…Stop wasting time WB and get a Green Lantern movie out there..get a Flash movie done for cripers sake..Stop playing second fiddle to Marvel studios..Start playing with the big boys and take some chances with some of those great characters you own…Bunch of Patsies…

  14. This sucks! It’s been almost a YEAR and they don’t have their act together yet??? Puh-lease! They’re gonna stall the beejesus out of the Green Lantern film just like they did with the JLA film. :-(

    And if this is because of Nolan, fuh-git him! Don’t let him hold back the rest of the DCU with his narrow-minded policy of “my Batman lives in his own universe” BS. Either make his ass part of the plan or kick him out! Small thinking like that the DCU can do without, they can survive without Nolan. Forge Batman, Superman, Flash, WW, and GL films that are compatible with each other and give us a gawdam JLA movie already – make the DC FILM U!

    GL’s script is ready to go (I’ve seen the first draft, it was already good the way it was they just needed to fix the end, get rid of one ridiculous scene, and some of the “Transformers” style writing for Hal Jordan, honestly, a few of the lines he said I felt were something that Shia Labeouf would say and not Hal Jordan), it’s in its 5th draft now so they’ve no doubt removed some of the “errors”. And let Geoff Johns write The Flash film, dammit! He writes great comics, is familiar with the movie biz, and is a HUGE Barry Allen fan – he’s perfect! :D

    Get the act together already, guys! Hell, I’ll write the damn Superman movie. :-)

  15. And I’ll write the next Batman film and Wonder Woman film, Because I waited Eight years now and I am getting sick of all this
    procrastination as well. And why no mention of Martian Manhunter/John Jones. He has gotta have a film as well.

  16. Know something? Yeah! Martian Manhunter must have a movie as well, I don’t care if he’s dead in the comics or not! And damn Aquaman had better get a movie too. Yes, I said it. AQUAMAN. Cuz if Marvel’s doing movies about their bottom of the barrel second stringers like Elektra and now a Wolverine solo flick and WB had the cajonies to make a sh*tfest Catwoman, then dammit, we had better get and Aquaman and Martian manhunter film!!!

    *setps off podium*

  17. lol Kel, I like your style

    I kinda agree on the Nolan thing – I dont like how everyone is bowing down to him and stalling/stopping/preventing other projects using batman or robin because of him – Worse to me is how he seems not to care about the rest of the Universe or tie-ins that could make for great films.

  18. Thanks, man. :-D

    Rob, that is exactly my point. TDK was awesome, but Nolan can’t be allowed to stall the other DC projects with his small mindedness.

  19. I really don’t want to see all D.C. movies in the same gritty world as TDK. It worked alright for Batman, but most of the others would be out of place.

  20. Nolan has stated that he doesn’t like the super-hero genre and by super-hero he means super powered beings..Batman is never called a super-hero in the Nolan films and he is only referred to as a masked vigilante..WB would not even be in this position to make these other films if not for the success of TDK & BB which were Nolan’s babies all the way..WB owes Nolan big time…I think he’ll be allowed to finish his vision for the trilogy without tie-ins to other DC characters..but that is no reason to think they can’t proceed with a Green Lantern movie or Flash movie because they are worried what Nolan will think or how it will interfere with his vision..If there is no possibility of doing cameos of other characters in the Batman universe then do a new Superman film and drop some cameos and fanboy stuff to tease us as to how they want to proceed to a JL movie..Nolan wrote, produced and directed the Batman resurrection.. KEL what you’re talking about is killing the golden goose by getting rid of Nolan because he wants to finish his Batman trilogy without letting it be bastardized into a film where super powered cameos are placed throughout to sell other DC characters in their own feature films.Nolan has stated all along that other heroes (even Robin) were not a part of his vision for the Batman franchise, so why is everyone suprised by this now?!..I disagree with you on that point…Like I said WB owes Nolan big time…and Rob Nolan doesn’t care at all about the DC universe or how good the movies will be that come from other DC characters…As far as he is concerned there is only one hero in the DC universe and that is TDK..


  21. I agree completely with GreenKnight. Don’t kick Nolan to the curb, he essentially gave all those other DC heroes an opportunity to be made into film heroes, and he helped to finance those with all that money.

    Leave Bat’s alone until Nolan is done doing his thing. Do a new Superman, and toss in some Flash stuff. Do a GL film, and toss in some Martian Manhunter. Save Batman for later. You don’t have to do it now.

    Look, if for nothing else, wait out of respect for Nolan and everything he has done for the genre. Whether or not he likes Super heroes, it doesnt matter. So we wont get a Metropolis Reference in the Bat sequel. So what. Move on with other things first. Establish your other characters.

    Did Iron Man referrence every single hero who is in the Avengers? Did the Incredible Hulk do it? NO

  22. In the same regard as Greenknight and Jon, I really believe that Nolan should be allowed to, at the very least, finish wrapping up his Batman series.If it were not for TDK sucess, it would not have opened the door as wide as it is for the rest of the DC Universe heroes.
    But I digress,is not the purpose of this article to talk about the awesomeness of WB/DC following n the footsteps of Marvel and creating the DC universe and have other heroes interacting with other heroes.
    Its not about Nolan or his Batman Universe and tailoring all DC heroes to fit into Nolans Universe. All I was saying was that its a good move to put it all on hold until after Nolan has done what he needs to. But that should not stop them from doing other heroes.Invest some time into Wonder Woman or an actual Superman movie about Superman and not Lois Lane.

  23. @ KEL

    Could you please explain how Nolan’s small mindedness would affect Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman or Superman or Aquaman or Martian Manhunter..all Nolan has stated is that he doesn’t want Batman appearing in any other WB DC flicks (until he finishes his trilogy) because he has created a Batman Universe that could be believable in our world..Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman could not exist in our world and are thereby relegated to the realm of fantasy Sci-Fi and not the action crime-drama that was this past summers TDK. Again it would not affect any of these previously mentioned fantasy hero movies that WB would like to create..Just leave the Batman out of these and bring Flash, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern into a new Superman film and then go from there. WB does not need Nolan’s permission to do other properties..they want Nolan to finish his vision and they just want their other properties to be of the same quality as the new Batman franchise..

    I really want to see a Green Lantern film. He is my favorite outside of Batman, SPiderman ..SPiderman and Batman have been done exceptionally well so I hope this trend will continue with GL and Flash…

    I agree with you Metallicat79..go forth and prosper to other DC franchises…ALthough I honestly don’t think Wonder Woman can ever work on the big screen in her own movie…SHe would be great in an ensemble movie or a guest appearance in another DC film but not on her own…


  24. Here’s my two cents…

    Maybe WB should just make seperate franchises for each character without worrying about crossing over characters (e.g. Batman trilogy; superman trilogy e.t.c).

    I think this would allow for better movies because it would allow each film to have it’s own creative vision.

    THEN maybe do a completely seperate JLA franchise where a director puts his spin on ALL the JLA superheroes. To differentiate it from the other franchises maybe it could be CGI as well.

    The main problem is that the DC characters vary in tone so much; whereas Marvels heroes/graphic novels are more or less in the same artistic theme.

  25. Guys,

    I’m saying Nolan should finish his films, yes. But WB wants to get a gameplan together that links Batman somehow, probably Nolan’s Batman considering how well established it is already, and Nolan is saying “Mine!” Mine!” Mine!”, it seems he’s not being a team player. This doesn’t mean another DC character has to appear in his film, just that WB wants to set the other DC characters in Nolan’s Batman’s world so they can use his Batman in a JLA or World’s Finest film, at the very least, it seems they want to use his Batman in other movies and he doesn’t want them to. And here everyone is complaining that other DC characters would not fit into his comparatively dull world, which is something that he recently pointed out, which is something that I said waaaaaaay back when they were fast tracking the JLA film in approval of them using a “seperate” Batman as opposed to using Nolan’s Batman – but nooooo, the rest of the fans could not have it – it had to be Nolan’s Batman or no Batman. Now DC is trying to use his Batman and because Nolan says “no” everyone’s done a 180 and agrees with him. Some fans are unpleasable. DC should not have to sit on their hands waiting for fire to come down from Mount Nolan before they do another DC movie. Nobody’s saying he can’t do his Batman, we’re just saying he should later “share” his Batman with the rest of the DCU so they can set up a film continuity, and Nolan isn’t being a team player. They want to use his Batman because it’s already established as opposed to starting over again with a new Batman in conjunction with a gameplan from the start (again, my argument for why they should use a “seperate” Batman in things like a JLA film – because I don’t think Nolan’s Batman is compatible with it). And honestly, cameos aside, does anyone REALLY think a reference to “Metropolis” or “Central City” is going to ruin a Batman movie? Why not have references like that? They’re just names of cities, and for those of you saying “Nolan’s movies are grounded in realism”, how does referencing these cities detract from the film’s verisimilitude? Did you forget that Gotham isn’t a real city? Did you forget that no man could survive a 20 story fall (re: TDK)? None of those things are “real”, they’re just as far fetched to me as a man from another planet or a guy who runs fast. I’m not saying they have to introduce DC characters in the next Nolan film, I’m not saying they shouldn’t make the next Nolan Batman, I’m saying why can’t they use the Nolan Batman after Nolan is done with it? Why can’t they incorporate references to Nolan’s Batman in other DC movies, even while his proverbial third film is happening? Why should they have to come up with an entirely new strategy that leaves Nolan’s Batman out but links every other DC film because of some artsy rhetoric Nolan spewed like “my character doesn’t know superheroes exist”? (they don’t have to ever be called “superheroes”, BTW, even the ones with powers) Batman couldn’t exist in our world either – even Nolan’s Batman. Don’t kid yourselves. So Nolan should finish his “vision” but they should make more DC films, and if they chose to, after Nolan is done with his franchise, they should be able to use his Batman, altho I don’t think Christian Bale will ever be in another Batman or related movie post Nolan, so they may as well leave the boy who doesn’t want to be a part of the team out of the new gameplan and focus on introducing a new Batman compatible with other DC characters in something like a Superman/Batman teamup movie. They could make at least one of those films and then use the Batman from that film in JLA and in other DC films.

    Guys, don’t act like Nolan is solely responsible for WB’s new interest in comic book movies, Iron Man is what really got their attention, what Marvel is doing is what caught their eye. If not, they’d just go back to their old stategy of doing endless Batman movies, especially with the success of TDK. Had it not been for Iron Man, we wouldn’t even be hearing about GL. They’re trying to link these movies together and Nolan isn’t cool with it. They won’t go ahead until they’ve found a way to link them together in some new game plan. So what I’m saying is if Nolan doesn’t want to play, either ignore him or get someone who sees the big picture. And bring on The Flash (Barry Allen, origin), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan, origin), Superman (allude to the origin but take it in a NEW direction), and Wonder Woman (origin)(who can have a film that’s just as good as the other characters, especially if Marvel is going to do Thor and has already done Elektra and Wolverine – the new animated WW flick may help do away with the negative train of thought towards a WW movie)….and eventually JLA. I don’t care what anybody says, I’m a comic book fan, and want to see a JLA film, dammit. :-)

    Hope that made sense. ;)

  26. Nolan is not solely responsible, but he plays a pretty damn big part! And after all the money he made them, isn’t he deserving of a chance to make a third film? They don’t have to involve Nolan’s batman in JLA. He can finish, and they can do something completely different. If they have to use Nolan’s batman, then they’d have to use Singer’s Superman, and he sucked. It doesn’t have to be the same world. To ignore Nolan after TDK would be classless and ridiculous. He’s earned the right to finish, and then they can do whatever the hell they want with Batman.

  27. @KEL

    did you read my posts? or has the fire that’s raining down from Mount Nolan clouded my judgement? :) It wasn’t Iron Man that got WB attention(although I’m sure it’s success didn’t hurt either)..it was Nolans Dark Knight..one of their own properties and not one of Marvel’s properties.Hence the reasoning for WB wanting to take a lot more of their DC properties in a darker direction ala TDK which was very different from Iron MAn. I’m sorry but Superman ‘flying” or GL using his ring to morph objects into whatever he can think of seems to lack the verisimilitude of Nolan’s TDK & BB..Of course I know Batman is not real, that Gotham is not real..and yes they are just movies..but at least he made us believe that Batman could exist in our real world..something as I said before cannot even begin to be remotely done with Superman, GL, WW or Flash because they lack realism in our real world..they are fantastic characters whose powers will relegate them to the Sci-Fi fantasy genre..

    Once Nolan is finished the trilogy, that Batman from Nolan’s films belongs to WB and is their property, hence that will be the Batman we see in upcoming WB releases that mention Batman & the not so real Gotham…and you can be sure that almost every DC or Marvel property that is made will be compared to Nolan’s Batman movies because they are the new standard for the genre(and I’m not dissing Iron Man and Jon Farveau either)If it is ok for WB to take Superman in another direction(via a reboot again) what is the problem with waiting for Nolan to finish the third film and then taking that character in another direction..the problem is that Superman returns was not even in the same league as the new Batman franchise

    This is just my opinion dude and I appreciate your lengthy response. I would love to see Flash, GL, JL, Shazam, Teen Titans, and most of the DC characters make their way to celluloid as I too have been a comics fan for 30+ years..Very verbose response though and I appreciate the spirit of your words…

    Cheers KEL

  28. Ironman may have been closer to the source, but X2 was a Superior film. It had more depth and a much better story. ironman to me was a very exciting and enjoyable popcorn flick but nothing more. There was a lack of depth or any emotion. It was funny something blew up it was funny and then funny some more. X2 was a better film.

  29. If I recall correctly in the comic books, Batman is a part-time member and is also the outsider personality of the Justice League.
    The comics book writers should have just made a better story line to fit Batman into the world of Superman,flash, Green Lanturn.
    Also, no one can blame Nolan for making the point that Batman has to exist in his own world and Batman has not seen any superheros. Can you name any good DC superhero films apart from Batman ? The Superman Returns film by Bryan Singer was a total let down. And Bryan Singer is a good director. Now Warner Bros. has to inject some fate into Nolan that his Batman can fit into the Justice League by making a completely uncorny Green Lanturn and Superman film.
    Another approach can be to just omit Batman out of the Justice League film and just use Green Arrow. All these points are assuming that Warner Bros. will not make a Batman rebot to be tailored into a future Justice League film.

    Now Avengers from Marvel will work becasue each member is basicaly superhuman-like. Plus there is a proper team structure as a pose to the Justice League. The avengers is held together by Nick Fury and Captain America cranks out the orders . In the Justice League , there is not actual leader as anyone of them can lead- just make Batman or Superman the leader. Could not hurt, they are both smart.
    What Warner Bros. needs is a Justice League visionary just like Nolan was a visionary for Batman.