‘Game of Thrones’ Author George R.R. Martin Reacts to Controversial Altered Scene

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[WARNING: This article contains SPOILERS for 'Game of Thrones.']

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Game of Thrones is a show famous for courting controversy – from the beheading of Ned Stark in season 1 to the horrific Red Wedding in season 3 – but last night’s episode, ‘Breaker of Chains,’ was possibly the first to stir a more negative kind of controversy.

In this case, the controversy refers to Jaime Lannister raping his sister Cersei right next to their dead son, Joffrey – and the fact that it was less consensual than the corresponding scene in the book ‘A Storm of Swords.’

While fans of the show probably thought the scene was disturbing if par for the course, fans of the book (particularly fans of Jaime’s “redemption arc”) were far more angry and, indeed, perplexed. Had the show gone too far? Was this an unwelcome deviation from the book in a series that we’ve been told will deviate even more? Was this a betrayal of Jaime’s character?

Since then, the director of the episode, Alex Graves, has spoken out about the controversial scene to Hit Fix, saying that the interaction “becomes consensual by the end, because anything for [Jaime and Cersei] ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.”

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This only incited more controversy, because the end of the scene certainly doesn’t scream consensual as Cersei can be heard saying, “It’s not right, it’s not right,” and Jaime, who’s pinning her down, says, “I don’t care, I don’t care.” Though the director did go on to say that Cersei wrapped her legs around Jaime by the end – consensual? – he also told THR earlier in the day that Jaime “rapes her” and that it was “forced sex.” So…hmm.

It’s also worth noting that some fans of the book insist that the scene in ‘A Storm of Swords’ also implies rape. This is how the scene begins on pg. 851 of the paperback edition (hat tip to Reddit User BardsSword):

“There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened from his tongue. ‘No…not here. The septons…’ ‘The Others can take the septons.’…She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, muttering about the risk, the danger, about her father, about the septons, about the wrath of the gods. He never heard her.”

Of course, she eventually does unequivocally say “yes” – unlike the scene in the show – but it does seem like the book scene begins nonconsensually as well.

Anyway – all this talk of altered scenes and book-to-show differences (that lead to Internet controversies) has begged the question: What does Game of Thrones creator George R.R. Martin think of all this? Fortunately, user LudivineDa asked him that very question of him on his LiveJournal. His response was as follows:

In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey’s death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.

The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other’s company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that’s just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime’s POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don’t know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

If the show had retained some of Cersei’s dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression — but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.

That’s really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing… but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.

As with much of what’s going on here, there seems to be a lot of ambiguity in his response. For example, he points out that the book scene is told from Jaime’s point of view. Does that mean that it’s not all that consensual after all? His language is too vague to get a real read on his opinion.

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Still, it’s pretty clear that he had no hand in the creation of ‘Breaker of Chains’ and wants everyone to know it. It even seems like he might have preferred that the producers retain some – though not all – of Cersei’s dialogue from the book, where she was far more vocally into the experience.

One thing that isn’t ambiguous is the success of this show, which this latest controversy is unlikely to change. According to EW, ‘Breaker of Chains’ had 6.6 million viewers tune in (possibly in reaction to the previous week’s episode, which featured the Purple Wedding). 6.6 million viewers is a tie with the series highest-rated episode, the season 4 premiere.

What say you, Screen Ranters? Should the controversial scene stuck more closely to the source material? Or do you think it worked fine as is? Drop us a line in the comments.

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Sources: Hit Fix, THR, George R.R. Martin’s Live Journal, & EW

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  1. I was okay with it…

  2. in a series filled with rape and atrocities already… why get all crazy about it now?

    • Because it goes almost completely against the character’s “redemption arc”.

      • A guy who’s had consensual sex with his own twin sister since childhood having consensual sex with her in last night’s episode goes against his redemption arc?

        How so?

        • It wasn’t consensual, or at least, it wasn’t made to look as such in the episode, that’s the whole point of this blog post.

          • Are we supposed to judge the morality of his actions based on our own current moral understandings or those of the world he lives in?

            Because if it’s ours, I’m not sure that pushing children our of windows with the intent to kill allows any path for redemption afterwards. If it’s by the world of GoT, I’m not even sure rape is a considered a crime unless its committed by a peasant against a noble.

            My point is basically this, if you think attempted child murder is something you can come back from but rape is an unforgivable act, your opinion is null and void and you should seek immediate help.

            • Perfectly stated, agree 100%!

      • …and that’s the real reason for the outrage, not the changing of a part of a book but that because of this “rape”, certain reader’s romanticizing of Jamie’s character is now in jeopardy.

      • I don’t think it “almost completely goes against the character’s ‘redemption arc’ ” at all, even if we assume that Jamie did in fact rape Cersei. Morality is a complex thing. There is no switch inside a person’s head that can be flicked at an instant to make him “good”. Jamie, even though he is trying his very best to “redeem” himself, cannot be faulted for his moral lapses (behavior or otherwise) in his quest to redeem himself, especially when such lapses concern his love (or lust) for Cersei, a love that he undoubtedly feels (at that moment, at least) is not being reciprocated.

      • What I like about Jaime is that he’s complex. Not that he was a jerk and is now nice. If anything, the fact that his character arc is this bumpy makes him more interesting.

  3. So after all of the decapitations, dismemberment, immolation of living people, infanticide (off camera), torture, implied castrations, arrows shot into various parts of people’s bodies, cannibalism, incest, and varying levels of sexual deviance shown over the past three plus seasons, this crossed the invisible line for some people? I guess it played worse to some viewers, but along with everything I mentioned this questionable sex act did not seem more forced or over the top than the scenes from season 1 with Dargo and Daenerys.

    • It’s interesting that you brought up Drogo and Daenerys’ first post-marital “encounter”. GRRM also wrote that scene as a more consensual encounter than what was actually depicted in the show.

      • Because its very hard to depict a person’s internal feelings on TV then it is in a book where you can simply write what they are thinking and feeling in plain words.

        The only way to clarify his sister’s feelings for the average watcher would have been to make it look more consensual than it was written in the book or left it as is and have Martin voice over “…but she actually wanted it”.

        If people want to misunderstand or be offended by something, all the clarification in the world will not convince them otherwise. Perhaps the real issue lies with those who read the books and chose to romanticize the monster that Jamie really and truly is and didn’t like it when they had to see the truth of his actions in the cold light of day vs what pretty picture they created for themselves in their mind.

        • For the sake of discussion, the chapter where this particular scene takes place in the books is told through Jaime’s point-of-view, not Cercei’s. Therefore the reader does not have the luxury of hearing Cercei’s thoughts. We know that it was more consensual in the books through what Cercei vocalizes. A more logical argument would be that Jaime may be an unreliable narrator in the books and has a screwed perception of the incident in question — but I don’t believe this to be the case.

          Regarding Drogo and Dany’s first sexual encounter: I don’t have a problem with the writers having Drogo force himself onto Dany. It allowed the show to capture in one scene what Martin was able to capture over the course of several chapters in the novel. In the book, Drogo and Dany have subsequent sexual encounters that are described as less than intimate. Drogo simply “mounts” her with very little regard to her as a person. Later they grow to love one another and sex between the two grows to become more of an intimate and emotional act. I would have had a problem with Drogo forcing himself onto Dany AFTER their relationship had evolved, but that wasn’t the case. That particular change makes sense without derailing the development of Dany’s character and her relationship with Drogo.

          • I mean to say “skewed perception”, but “screwed” makes sense in this instance as well. LOL

          • You don’t think that a man who kills children and sleeps with his sister has a skewed perception of reality?

            • YES!! But, that’s not the point that anyone is arguing. As despicable as that act was, it was keeping in line with Jaime’s character. Right before he pushed Bran out of the window he says, “The things I do for LOVE.” Him and Cersei have a very twisted relationship, but they do love one another. I believe the sex scene stopped short of continuing explore that dynamic, which was the point of the scene in the first place.

              Personally, I don’t have a problem with ANY of the violent acts depicted in the show — not in the least bit, as long as the story justifies it.

              The show’s director says that the scene in question was supposed depict consensual sex. The scene itself as well as bonus material undermine that attempt. Although I do believe that people can be redeemed, I don’t care about Jaime’s redemption story; I don’t have any personal interest in seeing Jaime turn his life around (although that is where his arc is going and has been going on the show and in the books — at least momentarily). I don’t romanticize him. He’s interesting, but certainly not one of my favorite characters. My point is that critical choices made by characters have ramifications for themselves, other characters, and future developments.

              • It’s not keeping in line with Jamie’s character (unless you mean season one?) as he is supposed to come back to King’s Landing a changed man after his captivity and amputation. The show changed the timeline around a bit from the novels (no problem with that) but this scene made no sense to be included if he’s been back a while. As you said, doesn’t matter about what happens as long as the story can justify it. Jamie and Cersei’s violent sex in the Sept isn’t justified if the timeline has been changed. I thought they had just left it out completely to save screentime when at the end of last season he came through the door and they gazed at each other.

                Anyway, the outrage is the deviation to include the scene now in the TV timeline and that it was constructed badly and didn’t carry the correct message. If the director has to come out and explain things about his work on screen, then he hasn’t done his job right.

                So I understand your point about a character’s critical choices leads to ramifications for development, but that is why this has upset a few fans as having this ‘choice’ now hinders the development of the character on TV compared with the great character from the novels.

                • Yes, season one. I wasn’t referring to the sex scene from Sunday; I was addressing an earlier commenter who was referring to the scene in which he pushes Bran out of the window (in season one). You and I are pretty much saying the same thing.

      • In the book, Drogo seduced Daenerys over several hours until she consented, but in the show he didn’t even bother with foreplay. I was rather angry at the change in the character as that scene in the book defined him as more than a savage killer. I didn’t get to see the new episode, but I have read the book. In the novel Cersei was not excited about having sex in temple where people might see and at the side of her dead kid, but obviously willingly chose to have sex. Jamie was not only willing to get caught but wanted to make the statement that he valued Cersei over all social conformity in such a way that he would have sex with her even though she was his sister, even though they were in a temple, and even though their dead son was nearby. From the controversy, that meaning was reduced to “I want you. I’ve had you. Now I’ll take you when and where and how I want regardless of how you feel or what you say,” which completely alters who the man is as it removes dedicated love to violent compulsive lust.

  4. I agree. People want to root for Jaime nowadays, and for some, this scene knocked his likeability down a notch or two (or five-hundred). Yeah it sucks for his admirers, but if there’s anything that could awaken Jaime’s darker tendencies, it’s Cersei. I understand that one might prefer one version over the other, but I find neither version felt out of character for Jaime given the differences in context. I believe this controversy, as with most internet-borne controversies, has been blown a bit out of proportion.

  5. It does differ from the books but not wildly enough to bother me.

    What I do find controversial is that George R. R. Martin is giving interviews. He should be sitting at his desk, typing away like crazy so he gets the next book finished.

    • Lol, God forbid he walk outside. He’s taken his time for over a decade…no sense in expecting him to really rush now.

    • Yeah, there’s probably gonna be eight more books. He has at least 3 more boring, nothing happens, books in him before he gets to the good stuff. I give it eighty years.

      • He has no plans to finish the books any time soon. It seems that he is enjoying being a celebrity too much, after so many decades of being a writer that nobody knows. If he had any real interest in finishing this series he would stop with all the side projects, like Hedge Knight.

    • Haha, Exactly! I’ll give him one exception though. If he’s not writing, he should be eating heart healthy meals and working some mild exercise into his daily routine. If it’s going to take him another decade or so to finish the series, he’s gonna need to make some lifestyle changes.

  6. And by-the-by, this isn’t controversial because it’s rape (no one that’s watched this show for this long is going to complain about the content now); it’s controversial because it was done differently in the books and some people think the change was for the worst. It’s like just when you’re starting to like Jamie and empathize with him a little more, he goes and does this. I think it would’ve been more interesting if it was consensual, but Cersie was just saying yes in order to butter him up to go after Sansa. To be honest, even though his character has shown more of a sympathetic side as of late, I never thought he was above this kind of thing. But, hey, he’s cute, so many would rather not believe he’s a despicable bastard, especially since he’s been “a good boy” lately. Don’t think it’s possible to redeem him now, though – rape’s a pretty nonredeemable act.

    • LOL. I would be surprised if every male character in GoT hadn’t raped someone at least once. Sure, you can romanticize these people all you want, but they all act like barbarians. Like when they tried to turn Ned Stark into a moral and caring romantic right after he chopped some poor scared kid’s head off.

      Nice to know though that rape (which turned out not to be rape) isn’t redeemable, but assaulting (and crippling) a child with the attempt to kill is a perfectly fine and redeemable act.

      • I’d like this comment if a “like” button existed. Instead, I’ll just note that I like this comment.

      • In the books it spells out exactly why he did it, and even the crippled kid’s mom had trouble hating him when she thought it out. Incest is a crime in this GOT world. When confirmed, not only are those involved in incest executed, but so are all of their children. Jamie didn’t kick the kid out the window just to save himself and his sister/lover, but all of his children/nephews (and daughter) as well. He tried to kill the kid to save his own kids. However there is no helping-others type understanding when it comes to rape.

      • I have to agree and sort of disagree with what you said. The people in this society do not act like barbarians they just are barbarians, some of them just wear nicer clothes. The word romanticized suits the discussion perfectly though. Some people seem to see this show and the story as some kind of romantic fantasy tale. Westeros is a violent, dirty place that falls somewhere between the Dark Ages and Tribalism.

      • I liked your point better the first TWO times you made it.

  7. I’ve not read the books so I can’t comment on them, but my reaction to the scene was simply “ok, this is old Jamie again”.

    He is clearly going through some sort of a “redemption” phase and although this did seem a little out of character given his new story arch let’s not forget he really is a nasty peace of work, you don’t just get over pushing children out of windows, beating your own family to death to escape prison and there needs to be something unhinged about you to have a child with your own sister… I think he did change a lot when he was with Brienne but he’s got a long way to go before I’m on his side.

    As other posts have said… the whole show is full of sex and violence this was neither shocking or to be honest unexpected.

  8. The show ultimately intended the sex scene to appear as consensual by the end, but the show’s writers (and director) came up short in that regard.

    Also if you look at the episode’s extras materials, one of the executive producer’s comments about the scene clearly suggest that it was rape. Were his comments edited and taken out of context? Perhaps, but its just another example of them undermining what the scene was attempting to do.

    • Some would argue that “consensual by the end” is an even worse portrayal as it plays into that old long-standing misconception that women want to be raped.

  9. Jaime is going through a redemption phase to us viewers, but he still is more or less the same character he was in the beginning of the series. The difference is that we found out more about him than we knew, that he has some honor, so he seems a more likable character. However, his main problem is still there, the fact that he loves his sister. I think he never cared about his children, so that is why he forces himself into Cersei, even in the presence of Joffrey body. All he wants is to be with her. Until he realizes that his love/obsession for Cersei is wrong, he will still perform despicable acts for her, either throwing little boys out of windows or forcing her to have sex just to get her attention.

    • You said it exactly right! I haven’t read the books so “as a viewer” the reason jaimie was beginning to go through a redemption phase in my eyes was because of the things we began to learn about him & his scenes with bryan (I’m sorry if thats not the right spelling but i hope you know who i mean) but like you said, he is still more or less the same jaimie we met from the beginning so the whole sex scene (whether someone is calling it rape or consensual or just rough) didn’t make me personally as a viewer upset cuz i never really put much stock in him being redeemed viewed and becoming some noble righteous character as i guess others had.

  10. I think people can still root for Jaimie. He’s human – he makes mistakes.

    • I cannot ever root for, or feel anything positive, for a rapist. In part because I worked for years with raped children in the mental health field, but mostly because I am a decent man.

      This is why I am always sickened with the way in which people make light of Roman Polanski and Mike Tyson today. However it is understandable when people feel differently when the rapist in question is a fictional character (The Comedian for instance, or Talia in the Batman comics), but for many of us rape is an unforgivable line to cross.

  11. Aww, did the GoT fans end up with a messed up scene in their show?

    Try being a WWZ fan, you spoiled kids, our whole movie got raped.

  12. most of the characters(for not all) have done things with “dubious moral´´ and after 4 seasons of all that crazy blood /sex festival this is not a super surprise. they are not bad or evil(somo of them are more to one side).they re complex characters in thisparticular world.theey kill people and we love them,they have slves,and we love them,they rape,eat people,etc etc and by no means going to stop being a good character or a lovable character (sorry mi english)

  13. “It even seems like he might have preferred that the producers retain some – though not all – of Cersei’s dialogue from the book, where she was far more vocally into the experience.”

    Martin says nothing of the sort, he points out that her dialogue may or may not have fitted in due to the change in circumstances around the scene. It also didn’t seem like Cersei was back particularly hard, but given the nature of this show this is little more than a storm in a teacup.

  14. With the exception of the first scene, the ENTIRE episode was a deviation from the book.

    So, I am not sure why there is controversy about this going against a particular “arc”.

    • This controversy is 5% literary fans angry over changes to their book and 95% people angry because they don’t feel right rubbing one out to a rapist.

      child killer, sure, but rapist, hard to hit climax on that one apparently.

  15. The entire series varies from the book. Get over yourselves, people!

    From what I could see, by the end of that scene, Cersei was ripping Jaime’s clothes and pulling his thrusts toward her, not shoving him away. The director hit the nail on the head when he stated that the interaction “becomes consensual by the end, because anything for [Jaime and Cersei] ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.” Hell’s to the yeah. Jaime’s no hero and Cersei’s no victim….not by a long shot.

  16. IMO that is what makes shows like this so interesting and watchable. You get sucked in to the charm of a character and then find yourself wondering, “why do I like that character so much? He/She is totally despicable.” That is one of the reasons that I like the Fox series The Following as well, because these totally rotten to the core people come off as so charming. It is totally understandable how people can be taken in by such despicable people, because of the “masks” they wear.

    • *nods* Felt the same way about Tony Soprano from ‘The Sopranos’. From the start the character was manipulative, cruel, murderous, and amoral. But cue to him sitting across from a licensed psychiatrist showing his soft underbelly and – WHAM – instant sympathy and attraction. We are strange people.

  17. Incest and Rape, great combination there GoT, just another reason why I won’t watch it!

  18. The best part about this scene getting everyone riled up is that they (the viewers) we’re falling in love with Jaime, and always hated Cersei, now following Joff’s death, and Jaime ‘forcing’ himself onto Cersei, everyone is beginning to pity Cersei, a character they’ve loved to hate all along. Irony? The showrunners must be busting up knowing how easily they can pull on their viewers heartstrings.

  19. Honestly, I saw no rape there. I`m not the one to defend rape, but she didn`t act like she was really trying to get away. Sure she said no, but the dude has one hand missing and she did wrap her legs around him. Just push him to the right, he has no balance.

    Considering the fact that the scene took place in the sept, at her kid`s funeral, right after Tywin’s speech, I think she was looking for some sick kind of relief, as much as her brother was. I really don’t get all the rage, what Martin said was true, that actions in the film deviated from the source material, so this scene was handled differently.

    I didn’t read all the books, I don’t know if the rage is because Jamie will turn into a “good” character and this just set him back, but if you see next episode’s promo, there’s that scene where Cersei asks Jamie to bring Sansa’s head. They seem cool, no harm done, just the usual Lannister bs. Am I missing something?

  20. Cersei didn’t put up much of a fight.

    • Hmmm, I’d like to see a rapist say that to a judge: “Well, Your Honor, she did say no, but I just figured since she wasn’t really putting up a fight, it was okay to proceed.”

  21. Dear Lord this has turned into a mess…
    Graves gives 2 different answers and Martin doesn’t seem to want to commit either way.

    I was part of the discussion on this topic on the review page here and I was hoping that after this we would know more clearly what happened but I’m even more confused.

    In the long run it none of this changes my opinion of the show. I still think Game of Thrones is one of the best shows on TV and will continue to watch every Sunday at 9.
    But I’m not so biased that I think the writers, directors are above making mistakes because I think a mistake was made here.
    No matter what Jamie’s intentions were, they should have been more clear. Especially in a situation like this.
    1 line of dialog and this isn’t even a conversation. Just 1 simple line.

    • One line of dialog can change a conversation, but cause it to not even exist? I disagree. Even knowing Jaime’s intentions, we’d still be raking it over the coals as we are now. Simply my humble opinion.

      • @ Rollo

        I respect your humble opinion but I disagree.
        You’re correct, knowing Jamie’s intentions doesn’t change what happened or how people are reacting but knowing Cersei’s does.

        Instead of her saying stop, not here and it’s not right if she was saying what she does in the books people would be reading the scene completely different.

        So now instead of debating rape would would be talking about the sick brother sister lovers having sex next to their dead sons corpse.
        Isn’t that so much better? ;)

        • * “people would” not would would.

        • exactly.

        • I see your point, but still believe Cersei’s clear physical actions in the scene’s final 5 to 10 seconds belays that of a victim. That said, I do agree actual verbiage from her akin to that from the book would’ve nicely cleared the muddied waters and our conversation instead could’ve been much like you describe – icky brother/sister dirty love.

  22. All I know is the show is a huge hit, this season is killing it in the ratings.

    Show just keeps getting better, best show on TV hands down.

    • Agreed! The show rocks…despite the scene in question.

  23. I think they should have used some more of her book dialogue, because sometimes visually expressing something isn’t always enough. In this case, showing her get into it by the end doesn’t have the same impact as her saying things that clearly spell out she was into it by the end. What happened is that people had an overwhelming sense that it was a rape, so the little bit at the end where she embraces it gets lost in the mix.

  24. I think the scene itself will help perpetuate the sudden falling apart of Jamie and Cersai’s relationship. In the books he doesn’t come back to help her when she needs him most, kind of like he doesn’t care anymore. If this scene does anything, it shows theme together but helps convey they aren’t as connected as they used to be. I love how you start to hate Jamie and then grow to feel sorry for him, and this scene helps with that. He now doesn’t have the lover he once did.

  25. Most changes to the show from the books are positive ones, in my view. Understanding that the book was from Jamies POV certainly puts and interesting spin on the shows version. It almost feels like people are splitting hairs between romantic rape and just normal rape…. really? Both the book and the show should freak you out. I for one am loving the changes, especially the hound and his extended scenes. When Arya admonishes the hound, calling him “father”, bout killed me.

  26. I havent read the books so only have the show to go on (& what i read in comments on sites like this from those who have read the books) but for me personally when i watched the ep i just thought it was more “rough” sex since she was kissing him back & grabbing for him & it wasnt until i read recaps & reviews the next day that i even realized it was being called (debated?) rape. Honestly it made me question if i have a twisted idea of what I’ve always considered in my own life rough/playful sex since others were calling that scene rape (& im female lol) so im glad the author & director have stated it was meant to be (or end up) consensual. Although i do agree with most in saying the way the scene was shot & the message that was suppose to come across was poorly executed. & the idea of jaimies story arc or his possible “redemption” being ruined didnt cross my mind cuz i was just like…”well typical jaimie, nothing new”

  27. @Ben Moore, when you write an article such as this one, and you have gathered a comment from the author of the books, that DOES explain the scene very well, please don’t question it or ignore it, just so you can serve your own agenda.

    First year journalism student Ben?

    Maybe you should go work for the Fox Network.

    • I’m not sure you understood the point of the article. I think Ben was just trying to point out that the scene does a poor job at playing out how the director intended it to and also that he seems to be contradicting himself with what his intentions for the scene actually were. Martin explains the dynamic of the scene in the books well, but he doesn’t say that that’s how the show intended it to be. I agree with Ben’s assessment here.

    • Not sure how I “questioned” or “ignored” Martin’s comment. As Eddie Money indicates, Martin does explain the scene in the books very well, but he is very purposefully more vague about his feelings on the scene in the show.

  28. Wait, LiveJournal still exists!? That’s what shocks me the most here.

  29. Rape is wrong but no complained when a pregnant woman is stabbed repeatedly in her stomach! Are people stupid, or what?

    • Again, it’s not really about the rape, it’s about the perceived change in Jaime’s character from the corresponding scene in the books.

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