Simon Kinberg: ‘Fantastic Four’ & ‘X-Men’ Movies Will Have ‘Discrete Universes’

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Fantastic Four vs The X Men Simon Kinberg: Fantastic Four & X Men Movies Will Have Discrete Universes

There’s been a lot of talk about shared universes of late, especially as they relate to superhero movies. Marvel, for example, has obviously had huge success with its shared universe, from Iron Man to The Avengers to Captain America 2. DC Entertainment is in the process of constructing its own shared universe with Batman vs. SupermanAnd then there’s The Amazing Spider-Man 2, which some believe was hindered by Sony’s push to create a shared Spider-Man universe.

Meanwhile, Fox owns the movie rights to both the X-Men franchise and Fantastic Four. Could these properties make a good shared universe? Consultant Mark Millar seems to think so. But writer/producer Simon Kinberg, who’s sort of sheparding both the X-Men and FF franchises, thinks that an idea like that would be “complicated.”

Kinberg recently spoke to Screen Crush about Josh Trank’s upcoming Fantastic Four reboot and the “challenges” of reboots with origin stories. And though he wouldn’t explicitly say whether or not the new Fantastic Four movie was an origin story, he did say this:

People have a very different relationship to the Fantastic Four movies than they had to Raimi’s ‘Spider-Man’ movies. And Raimi’s ‘Spider-Man’ movies — and that first ‘Spider-Man’ movie — is a beloved movie that sort of redefined, tonally, sort of what comic book movies could do. There had been other superhero movies, like ‘X-Men,’ but Raimi’s Spider-Man had a joyfulness to it that was unique, I think, to the genre. So, rebooting a movie that was beloved less than ten years after it had come out is challenging. So, we approach ‘Fantastic Four’ with a different set of challenges.

All of which kind of makes you think that this Fantastic Four reboot is going to be an origin story – and that’s probably a good thing. Whereas origin stories in superhero movies can make them feel a bit formulaic and predictable, something like the upcoming Fantastic Four, which seems to be a true rehaul of the story, probably could use a refresher course. After all, the last time audiences saw the Fantastic Four, they were all adults (and in the case of two of them, middle-aged). Now, they’re teenagers, not unlike the Ultimate Fantastic Four.

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And that’s on top of the fact that seeing how the Fantastic Four comes together as a team and a family is half the fun. Otherwise, all of Thing’s fire puns and all of the Human Torch’s rock puns just won’t have that extra oomph.

On the topic of whether or not Fox is building a shared superhero universe, Kinberg said:

Well, it’s complicated. Because none of the ‘X-Men’ movies have acknowledged the notion of a sort of superhero team — the Fantastic Four. And the Fantastic Four acquire powers, so for them to live in a world where mutants are prevalent is kind of complicated, because you’re like, “Oh, you’re just a mutant.” Like, “What’s so fantastic about you? [...] So, I guess we’ll go to school now. We’ll go to Xavier’s school.” No, it is … they live in discrete universes.

When he says “they live in discrete universes,” it seems pretty clear – there won’t be any crossing over for these superhero teams. But then there’s also the talk of how “complicated” it is. Is it possible that Kinberg just means that the Fantastic Four will remain in a “discrete” universe for the first film, where they can set everything up before eventually crossing over with the X-Men down the line? Or maybe discussions are ongoing as to whether or not a shared universe will be set up? Your guess is as good as ours.

Regardless, having the two super-teams coexist would seem to create some awkward creative dilemmas. Why does the population at large despise mutants, but not that guy who can turn into a ball of fire and “go supernova”? (This has always sort of been a weird double standard in the comics, too, where the Fantastic Four is adored and the mutant Forge is hated and feared.)

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And if they do coexist, how do they address their newfound superpowers? Do they wonder if they’re mutants? Does the media wonder if they’re mutants? Do they namedrop the X-Men? Do they call up Professor Xavier for some superpower advice?

These are all issues that sort of need to be addressed right away in the first Fantastic Four movie. Either this is a world that’s familiar with superpowers, or it’s a world that’s completely shocked and amazed by them.

Finally, Kinberg talked about the tone we can expect from Fantastic Four:

It’s like, there’s a spectrum, tonally, from like Raimi’s ‘Spider-Man’ to Josh Trank’s ‘Chronicle’ movie. We’re on the spectrum, but between those two movies. And I would say, I don’t know where the needle turns, but we are in-between those films. On the other side of ‘Chronicle’ is probably like, ‘X-Men’ is around there with the darkness. And then ‘The Dark Knight’ is the darkest. And on the other side is ‘Spider-Man’ — the original ‘Fantastic Four’ movies are probably on the other side of the goofiness. So, we’re somewhere in-between the joyfulness of Raimi’s ‘Spider-Man’ movies and the reality and drama of Josh’s ‘Chronicle.’

This isn’t the first time Kinberg has referred to the tone of this FF reboot as being between Spider-Man and Chronicle, but it’s interesting to see his take on the different tones of the other films he mentions (I think he’s saying X-Men and The Dark Knight AREN’T as dark as Chronicle). Of course, there’s a huge breadth between Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man and Chronicle, so it’s not extremely telling to know that FF will be somewhere “between those two movies.”

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Josh Trank’s ‘Chronicle’

That said, given how many times we’ve heard the film will be grounded, we can probably presume the tone won’t be all that close to Spider-Man.

What say you, Screen Ranters? Do you want to Fox’s Fantastic Four and X-Men films to coexist in the same universe? Or would you prefer they stay completely separate? Drop us a line in the comments.

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Fantastic Four hits theaters June 19th, 2015.

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  1. God these guys really think we are stupid to believe these comments , the truth is that they have twisted so much of what these teams are that they’ve created a contradicting universe instead of a cohesive one . Sad …

    • An interesting point raised about how X-Men world is incompatible with FF. In the comics this is true. Everyone respects avengers but hates mutants, but they really all look like superheroes. The comics pretty much ignore this point but you couldn’t ignore it in the movies.

      • The diffrnce being the FF are one of “their” own, human given powers while mutants are seen are mistakes and even abominations. Its just perspective really and how the public at latge perceived the situation. FF are like super soldiers while mutants might as well be aliens as far as humanity is concerned.

        • Agreed. Also the fact that, ultimately, mutants are set to replace normal human beings in the grand design of nature whereas heroes like the FF are just “accidents”.

          Pretty easy to explain, really.

      • I’ll repeat this here..

        Some of you guys are lost…Including Simon Kinberg. All beings with powers are not considered mutants in Marvel Comics. Beings are separated by being labeled as Super powered heroes, aliens, mutants, etc…

        Saying that the Fantastic Four can’t exist in the X-Men universe because of this is silly.

        Some of you are under the impression that all beings with super powers are considered mutants if they appeared in other Marvel Comics. That’s not true at all.

        • Agreed. In the Marvel Universe there are:

          •”Baseline” humans – Normal people without powers. E.g. Tony Stark, Nick Fury,
          Jane Foster, and Clint Barton.

          •Mutates – People who have acquired powers through exposure to energy or
          a substance of some sort that acts as a mutagenic catalyst, such as
          radiation or a chemical compounds. E.g. The Fantastic Four, The
          Hulk, Spider-Man, and Sandman.

          •Mutants – People who are born with their powers. E.g. Charles Xavier, Scott
          Summers, Jean Grey, and Robert Drake.

          Note: Although powers usually manifest during adolescence there have
          been noted cases where powers and abilities are apparent since birth
          such as Henry McCoy (Beast) and Kurt Wagner (Nightcrawler).

          Wow. Feels good clarifying that up. Lol

  2. What is it about grounding movies and making them dark and gritty?! Just because Nolan did it and was successful doesn’t mean every tom, dick and harry directing comic book movies has to have the same approach! BTW, i like and respect the Nolan trilogies, but if i could go back in time and stop WB from giving Nolan directorship, i would. The truth is, because of his grounded and closed off universe, there was never going to be a chance of a superman team- up movie, let alone a Justice League movie! If it weren’t for Snyder’s MoS universe, we would have to wait maybe 10 years after WB decided to reboot Batman, and God knows when a JL movie would have been in the works! So in Snyder i trust, because he gave us Watchmen, the greatest comic book movie after Raimi’s Spiderman.

    • Watchmen was a good movie but definitely not great.. The Winter Soldier now that’s a great movie.

      • I concur, it was a very good sequel.

      • LO FRIGGIN L!

        This is a new friggin low for you comic book bandwagon Marvel/Disney hipsters! Totally acknowledging The Winter Soldier as a better film compared to Watchmen is blasphemy!I respect the opinions of others, but the fine line between hypocrisy and critique is quite transparent and you – sir- have clearly crossed that exact line.

        Watchmen provides of a compelling story with a brilliant screenplay and a fantastic cast whereas Winter Soldier consists of nothing but an ocean of broken glasses and a cowardly Captain America that would rather put his personal feelings first rather than the safety of his own people only to take a beating like a pathetic moron. Don’t say Winter Soldier reigns superior in comparison to Watchmen, you clearly seem to love action scenes and a weak protagonist rather better than an astounding plot and storyline.

    • Actually, a lot of people like to believe that Nolan started it, but actually Singer started the “grounded” tone in superhero movies with ‘X-Men’. I mean, the film starts with a boy losing his parents at a concentration camp. That’s pretty dark stuff right there, so if anybody has the right to do it, it’s Fox, since they did start with it.

      Plus, it’d be weird because the X-Men films have always been as grounded as possible, so why shouldn’t Fantastic Four be the same.

      • True. Singer did start it with X-Men as did the confidence in superhero properties that were not Superman or Batman.

      • I completely agree with this statement. X-Men started it first. It was very different from the whimsical Batman (1989) and Superman (1978) films.

        But I would also make a distinction between “grounded” and “dark and gritty”. X-Men was grounded, in that all the fantastical elements could be explained (to some extent) by science. But it definitely wasn’t “dark and gritty”.

        • actually BLADE is what “started” the re-vamp of super-hero films – and also it was “dark” (I hate that term) and a box office success

          X-Men & Spider-Man both came out AFTER …. BLADE showed other filmmakers the way

          and why do people refer any of these previous movies (FF, Superman, Batman (1989 – 90′s) as “goofy” ?
          Lois dies in Superman (1978) – that’s goofy? Batman – any version – his parents DIE – that’s goofy?
          FF movies – there’s a little more humor and moments of light-heartedness – but that’s the FF – the comics have ALWAYS had the type of element – ie. it’s a actual family – including eventually with Sue getting pregnant – and they DON’T have secret identities – the super-hero names are just “nicknames” more than anything else

          I hate saying it – but I hope this new FF movie FAILS at the box office and the rights revert to Marvel – and then Marvel can do it all right – including being able to use all the other characters tied up in the rights Fox currently holds (ie. Galactus, Silver Surfer, Super Skrull, etc)

    • The grounding of the movies and darker themes and style changes from properties. X-Men was dark and grounded, although not many people notice it or want to accept it. But the grounding and making them dark/gritty is better for particular brands. Batman works well with this style because he doesn’t live in a pretty world and also because of the history of the city and the character. The Man of Steel grounding was nothing to exaggerate about. Snyder just made Superman part of humanity. Nolan did what he had to do because if there was no Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy then there wouldn’t have been a Man of Steel like the one we got. Warner Bros. adopted the same approach of The Dark Knight Trilogy for Man of Steel (to a lesser degree) because it worked so well and people were attracted to it.

      The Amazing Spiderman was bad because of this reason. Webb and the producers decided to make it like that because it worked so well for other people but it doesn’t fit Spiderman. That’s why I liked TASM 2 just because Webb decided to go the colorful/fun route which allowed him to play around with character designs and dialogue (“Let’s go catch a spider”). Keep in mind, I’m not writing a review for TASM 2 (storytelling was weak as HECK!). In The Winter Soldier it worked well because of the contained story, political corruption, spy games… All of those contribute to the style that the filmmakers choose for the movie.

      In all honesty, that approach only works for certain characters and worlds. I really don’t want to see a grounded/dark/gritty Avengers movie. Marvel should keep their approach which is fun, Sony should keep what they did with The Amazing Spiderman 2, Fox should do what they have done with X-Men and DC should keep making those movies but not to the degree of The Dark Knight AND the only person that can keep doing dark and gritty movies throughout the rest of his career should be David Fincher.

      • Okay, but… what do you mean by “dark”

        When I hear “dark” I think, Sin City, and not just because of all the shadows and black colours. But because it had a decidedly “pessimistic” tone. It wasn’t “joyful” as Sam Raimi’s Spiderman, or as whimsical at Tim Burton’s Batman.

        The Dark Knight was definitely “dark”, because it was twisted and realistic, and sometimes very disturbing. Man of Steel was dark-”er” than previous Superman films, yes. And it tried to be grounded by trying to explain things. But I don’t know if I would put it in the “dark” film category.

  3. sam raimi’s spiderman the best comic book movie ever made..?..seriously..?

    • No, it’s Webb’s Spider-man. ASM2 to be exact.. Best cbm ever!

      • I completely disagree with your ASM2 love-fest.
        Raimi’s Spider-man is exceptional (weak climax) and a gazillion times better than Webbers’ misguided attempt to open the story out – his reboot has been redundant and unfocused. The only good thing has been the leads – Peter & Gwen were superb but lots of dross to wade through to get there.
        Rooney – I assume this is Wayne – good luck in Brazil:)

        • Hey… slow down there man! I was being incredibly sarcastic.

        • @asif
          Hahahaha… Man Utd finished at 7th place. Wazza shoulda just stayed home and watch telly. Roy Hodgson should never called any Man Utd player into the England squad. Enjoy your 7th place trophy!

  4. “I think he’s saying X-Men and The Dark Knight AREN’T as dark as Chronicle”. He actually said the complete opposite. He said that X-men is on the other side of Chronicle from Spider-Man and FF in terms of darkness (meaning darker than Chronicle and “then ‘The Dark Knight’ is the darkest”.

  5. Even Marvel haven’t integrated X-Men all that well into their comic universe. X-Men always feels like a separate universe despite the cool crossovers with some characters.

    This is why I’m happy for another studio to keep the X-Men rights instead of going back to Marvel – I’d never want to see it part of the MCU. Plus we get more comic book movies this way, even though I think the X-Men movies pretty much stink right now.

    • Universal should get the X-Men writes. This way we can see Namor cameo in X-Men which will introduce him and we get a Namor movie.

    • I agree. They should really be their own film universe…and there are so many mutant characters that you don’t need any of the Avengers or super heroes.

  6. “Regardless, having the two super-teams coexist would seem to create some awkward creative dilemmas. Why does the population at large despise mutants, but not that guy who can turn into a ball of fire and “go supernova”? (This has always sort of been a weird double standard in the comics, too, where the Fantastic Four is adored and the mutant Forge is hated and feared.)”

    Nothing awkward about it. In the comics it has always been very clear what the difference between the Fantastic Four and the mutants is.

    The Fantastic Four don’t hide, they don’t wear masks and everybody knows where they live and their names. Reed Richards is a genius that constantly advises the government and Sue Storm is a hottie. They are adored as celebrities. They simply have never done anything wrong and have very good press. NY looks up to them.

    On the other hand many mutants live clandestine lives and many mutants have been part of terrorist groups that have threaten humans. The contrary to good press. Trust issues everywhere. So basically the issue is not whether they have powers or not, the issue is being out in the open and accountable.

    This is precisely the seed of the Civil War story line. Why Spiderman gets so much crap sometimes? because he hides behind a mask. Why are the Avengers loved despise having two mutants in their ranks? Because they are accountable. Wanda and Pietro don’t wear a mask, everybody knows Steve Rogers is Captain America, they also know where to find them, they help the government, etc.

    • Yes! Someone understands what the difference is between Mutants and Super Powers. Too bad the producers of these movies don’t.

    • This right here. +1000000

    • Great breakdown and analysis!

      I would also add that, by having FF and X-Men in the same universe, this gives the film-makers an opportunity to expand on a very important theme in the X-Men movies: prejudice and discrimination.

      This is an issue that faces a lot of minorities today. Double Standards. Why is it that some people of certain ethnic groups are loved and adored, while other people of the same ethnic group are hated and ridiculed? If the film-makers could touch on that in the cross-over films, even in the smallest way, I think the film ought to be lauded and should become an instant classic.

    • I like this explanation, but I think it’d be hard for the casual moviegoer to easily accept this distinction. We live in a world where it’s pretty commonplace (and understandable, from a logical standpoint) for people to ask what Captain America was doing during the events of Iron Man 3. The public will warm up to that balancing act of solo movies vs. team ups in the MCU, but it’s much harder to easily explain why the citizens look up to the FF while being afraid of and militant toward mutants (they all have superhuman powers, after all).

      It’s better, I think, to keep the X-Men distinct in a universe in which the public are afraid of people with superpowers while the FF (and Spiderman, and all of the MCU, for that matter) live in universes where public opinion is very different. That way, they both can focus on their own issues without having to spend considerable time and effort explaining the difference between superheroes and mutants to the audience.

      (And, of course, maybe the new FF will be terrible and they can be back in the MCU where they belong.)

      • “it’s much harder to easily explain why the citizens look up to the FF while being afraid of and militant toward mutants”

        It is not difficult at all!!!

        Example: Magneto tried to eliminate humankind in X-men 2, so can you imagine the type of rage and debates that a headline reading “a mutant tried to wipe us out” would bring? The key is not a super powered tried to wipe us out, the key would be a mutant, that thinks of himself as a superior, tried to wipe us out. That would clearly establish for some a line between mutantkind and humankind, because there would be mutant terrorist groups and if/when an average Joe encounters a mutant he wouldn’t know if he is a “fundamentalist” to be afraid of or not. That’s a seed very easily recognizable in our society and the world we live in, isn’t it? Think of Guantanamo for mutants and you will understand how Marvel has always stand against inequalities.

        On the other hand you have the Fantastic Four, which is a lovely looking family with a world class scientist in their ranks. They have not only not threaten anybody but in their first public appearance they save the city and everybody loves them for it. As I said before they are accountable (face, name and address), they are in contact with the government for which they act as consultants (i.e. they are officially sanctioned), etc.

        Who would not understand why the mutants (unregistered, uncheked, some violent, etc) are feared and the Fantastic Four celebrities are not? It is very simple really and there are tons of comics exploring this. In fact, the Uncanny Avengers line touches on this on the aftermath of Avengers vs. X-Men.

  7. I feel that with DoFP. The doors are open for the Xmen to share the screen with anyone… Who knows….

  8. the reason why there will be no crossovers is the fact that these actors are signed on for a certain number of mobies. having them appear in a crossover would waste those number of appearances especially if it is only for a cameo. When the time comes to extend the actors’ deals, they would be able to ask for a significant pay raise and this in turn would make movie no. 3 and so on too expensive to make.

    Kinberg is just stating something to appease comic readers. By doing this he makes himself sound ‘clever’ in his mind when in fact comic book readers are not as dumb as he thinks

  9. By “discreet universes”, do they mean if the movies are no good, people won’t see them, and they will be hidden away?
    A random thought: why does The Torch not burn his clothes off, and people like The Thing, Mr. Fantastic, and The Hulk burst out of their clothes when they change shape?

    • Because they are made with unstable molecules that adapt to his changing molecular structure.

      A quote from the marvel wiki, “A synthetic material created by the famous scientist Reed Richards which can be altered easily and adapt to a certain environment, allowing them to be incredibly resilient to drastic changes in heat, cold, pressure, density, dirt, etc. making them ideal for use as superhero costumes.”

    • The Human Torch, the Thing, and Mister Fantastic have costumes made of “unstable molecules” which adapt to the specific powers of the wearer. Hence Johnny’s costume doesn’t burn. (Incidentally, I recall reading in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (Deluxe Edition) that all, or at least most, of Johnny Storm’s clothing is made of unstable molecules. Thus preventing him burning them up.) Reed Richards’ costume stretches along with him. I would imagine that Ben Grimm’s costume is also able to stretch enough to accommodate his larger size as the Thing.

      As for the Hulk. Remember, Bruce Banner IS a scientist. Who’s to say he hasn’t stumbled upon unstable molecules on his own? You’re right, of course. If his clothes WERE made of unstable molecules they wouldn’t rip at all. Personally, I like to think that it has been the Comics Code Authority that simply wouldn’t permit for a giant naked man running amok in what is often still considered a children’s publication.

      • Hmmm, I recently bought some pretty thin T-Shirts on sale at Wal-Mart, as well as a clearance winter jacket and a pair of budget tennis shoes, and they all fell apart right away. Looks like unstable molecules of a different sort there. Guess the sweat-shops in underdeveloped countries need a little better molecular bonding!

  10. Before they decide whether or not to integrate the teams, it would probably be helpful to know when the FF movie is set. That would make a big difference in casting choices, old vs young mutants. Can’t have FF set in the near future and expect them to interact with the cast of First Class.

  11. Point blank there should be no attempt to share a universe unless the rights are back with Marvel.

    • I don’t want the right back with Marvel honestly, they have done 3 great movies Cap 2, Avengers, and IM1 The rest have been just there. I don’t get the craze over Marvel Studios anymore.

    • I agree with Joshua.

      Also, studios can only afford to push out two (maybe three?) movies every year. By having different studios own the rights to different properties, we get more movies more often. Would you really be happy with X-Men reverting to Marvel, if that means an X-Men movie would only come out every four or six years?

      • Man I would be happy with it not being I’m the hands of Fox allowing outlandish changes to the source material. I know tweaks have to be made here and there but not to the degree some have been made already. But hey that’s just one man’s opinion.

  12. “On the other side of ‘Chronicle’ is probably like, ‘X-Men’ is around there with the darkness. And then ‘The Dark Knight’ is the darkest.”

    …’the OTHER side of ‘Chronicle”. I understood that as meaning, X-men and the Dark Knight are both DARKER than Chronicle, just like he seems to say the original FF are even a little goofier than the Raimi Spider-man. Basically he’s narrowing the spectrum a bit to between spider-man and chronicle (as opposed to the full spectrum from FF to dark knight), at least thats what I understood.

    • That’s what I thought at first, but there’s no way ‘X-Men’ is darker than ‘Chronicle’ – and I would argue ‘Chronicle’ is in many ways darker than ‘The Dark Knight’ – so I just presumed he confusingly worded it.

  13. Isn’t Franklin Richards a mutant?? And a powerful one yes? How incompatible is that?

  14. Here’s an interesting possible twist: FF go back an time and create the very first mutants.

  15. I think the Thing usually makes rock puns and Torch usually makes fire puns, rather than vice versa…

  16. The simple answer seems to be they have no idea how to jam the still unseen Fantastic Four version they are trying to do with a series that is already convoluted and over a decade old.

  17. This is not a F4 film, this is a bastardized version of it, which has nothing to do with the comic book. Hopefully the X Men producers won’t get involved with this mess. I hope in the end this “creative” people get grounded.

  18. Keep them separated. In fact, keep them so far apart that FOX’s rights to the Fantastic Four revert back to Marvel and the franchise can go back on the shelf where it belongs. (so Marvel/Disney can use Galactus and other cosmic characters)

    FOX can keep the X-Men…for now. But, so help me, if they give us another X-Men Origins: Wolverine or X-Men: The Last Stand, I will get angry and perhaps say some inappropriate things about FOX and this franchise on the internet. You can bank on that!

  19. I dunno, I’m not really a F4 fan so I’m not extremely interested in this one way or another. Honestly they shouldn’t try to mix them because there are enough Mutants and stories surrounding those characters to carry an entire large film universe on their own. F4 could be interesting but use it as a separate universe where the F4 are the only super powered heroes on the planet.

  20. Keep it like the comic’s, it worked for them for so many years don’t mess it up. Who Cates why people hate mutants and not super heroes. Make it for a comic book fan to like it and it will sell. Take the best stories and use them, if they have a cross over even better.you don’t need to bring in New fans you need to keep the ones who got it to this point to where they are able to make movies out of a comic book anyway. X-Men 3 sucks balls sorry. X-Men first class did too. Why? Because it shifted away from the comic’s. U have to many people who cares about the comic book side of the movie to not keep it that way. If they don’t explain in the comics about something keep it that way in the movies. If they do keep it that way in the movies. This new Superman/Batman movie might suck too just saying

  21. I like the X-Men better when it’s their own universe

  22. Not really news. I remember seeing a video interview with Kinberg a few weeks ago where he said that Fantastic Four will be in a separate universe to X-Men, but if they ever did want to do a crossover story they would do it through some kind of interdimensional travel.

  23. I don’t see any conflict between the two groups in the public’s eyes. The X-men are mutants for reasons that no one really understands, they are born that way. While the FF, on the other hand, were just average “humans” and a very specific, concrete event occurs that gives them their powers. I could imagine the general public saying “Wow, look, they were just like me and then got those awesome powers!”. People tend to fear things they don’t have a rational explanation for.

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