Fall 2012 TV Recap – SR Underground Ep. 68

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The Screen Rant editorial team is back with episode sixty-eight of the Screen Rant Underground.

Join host Ben Kendrick as well as fellow SR editors Rob Keyes, Anthony Ocasio, and Kofi Outlaw as we recap the 2012 Fall TV season, discuss the return of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan for X-Men: Days of Future Past as well as Warner Bros. potentially incorporating Nolan’s Batman films into the shared DC movie universe.

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Screen Rant Underground: Episode 68 – Fall 2012 TV Recap

In episode 68 of the Screen Rant Underground podcast we recap the 2012 Fall TV season, discuss the return of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan for X-Men: Days of Future Past as well as Warner Bros. potentially incorporating Nolan’s Batman films into the shared DC movie universe.

[0:00] News: Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan Back for Days of Future Past; Hugh Jackman Might ReturnWill Warner Bros. Incorporate Nolan’s Batman Universe into ‘Justice League’?, and Two and a Half Men’ Star Says Stop Watching, Calls the Show ‘Filth’.

[1:04:07] Box Office Battle Results

[1:08:45] Rants and Raves – Box Office Battle Loser Review: Iron Sky.

[1:20:20] Fall 2012 TV Recap: The Walking Dead, Arrow, and Fringe.

[2:01:32] Listener E-mail (“List of Shame” Movies & “Perfect” Movies), Twitter Handles, and Contact Information.

[2:30:27] Game Rant News Brief: New Feature “Game Rant” Asks on the site, the MoMA is adding a Video Game Art section, final issue of Nintendo Power, Wii U sales, Assassin’s Creed 4 could include co-op, Far Cry 3 and Disney’s Epic Mickey: Power of Two reviews.

Hosts: Ben Kendrick, Rob Keyes, Anthony Ocasio, and Kofi Outlaw.



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Last Week’s Reader Box Office Battle Winner Life of Pi opening): Chris Agar, TheDurr, and Bmike3030 all tied with 8 points but Chris nailed the tie-breaker (Argo):

Opening this Week in Theaters (Wide):

  • Playing for Keeps (Romantic Comedy) – 2,700

Opening this Week in Theaters (Limited):

  • Hyde Park on the Hudson (Historical Drama) – 5

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  1. Editor picks for the weekend of Playing for Keeps opening:

    1. Skyfall
    2. Rise of the Guardians
    3. Playing for Keeps
    4. Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn
    5. Lincoln
    10. Killing Them Softly

    1. SkyFall
    2. Twilight
    3. Rise of the Guardians
    4. Lincoln
    5. Life of Pi
    10. Flight

    1. Skyfall
    2. Guardians
    3. Playing
    4. Lincoln
    5. Twilight
    10. Red Dawn

    1. Skyfall
    2. Twilight
    3. Lincoln
    4. Rise of the Guardians
    5. Life of Pi
    10. Silver Linings Playbook

    Plus final tallies for the weekend of The Collection and Killing Them Softly opening:

    1. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 – $17,416,362
    2. Skyfall – $16,555,894
    3. Rise of the Guardians – $13,388,852
    4. Lincoln – $13,376,696
    5. Life of Pi – $12,151,853
    6. Wreck-It Ralph – $6,948,550
    7. Killing Them Softly – $6,812,900
    8. Red Dawn (2012) – $6,500,245
    9. Flight – $4,479,067
    10. The Collection – $3,104,269

  2. Another great podcast guys. By this point I kind of just want X-Men to be rebooted. As for Batman in Justice League it has to be Bruce Wayne or the dynamic between the big three is destroyed. They just need to leave Nolan and his work alone. Besides, as much as I love Nolans Batman, its just not really the Batman I like. But Justice League, I hate to say it but that movie is going to fail especially if its competing against Avengers 2. I’m with Rob, I think the characters need to be established no matter how iconic they are. But now there is news of Darkseid in the film? Does Warner Brothers want to start a fan war with the Darkseid Thanos thing!? I know Darkseid came first but do audiences know that? Probably not. I sense a great disturbance in the force for DC in the soon future.
    Box Office Battle
    1.Twilight Saga Breaking Dawn Part II
    2.Rise of the Guardians
    5.Life of Pi
    10.Red Dawn

    • Ignore that 3 my stupid keyboard screwed up.

    • I’d guess that they’ll try VERY hard to differentiate Darkseid from Thanos – maybe they’ll go with an updated look to the character.

      Plus, while Darkseid can fight, he does operate from the shadows – using other villains for his dirty work. So maybe there won’t be a 1-on-1 fight with the character this round (similar to Avengers).

  3. The Big Bang Theory is great(Its not trying to do something different like Louie or 30 Rock, but its a show you can watch and have a good time at it)….Anthony kinda hate this show…Two and Half Man stop being good as soon as Charlie Sheen left…

    • Agreed. I still love The Big Bang Theory – I’m not kidding myself that it’s “smart” comedy but I enjoy the characters and fun “geek” references.

      • Yeah. That’s how I feel about it. Love watching the new episodes every week and occasional reruns every once in a while. I really like the characters and pop culture references.

        Stuart needs his own show. I love it whenever he makes an appearance.

  4. Kofi is absolutely right about part of the walking dead audience wanting some character to die or hating this character like it was a real person…the same thing happen with Skylar on Breaking Bad(I dont hate her, she is just a character reacting to a harsh situation)…people need to chill, like Kofi said…

    • Skylar is a good example for sure.

  5. Box office battle

    1 twlight breaking dawn part 2
    2. Skyfall
    3. Lincoln
    4. Rise of the guardians
    5. Playing for keeps
    10. Killing them softly

  6. Nobody said Fellowship of the Ring as a perfect movie? Come on! :)

    It’s a shame the Game Rant news brief is so short, it needs it’s own podcast! Good work though, fellas.

    • We’ve tossed around the idea of a Game Rant podcast but, frankly, I’m too busy with other things to host that show. As a result, we’ve been thinking of a supplemental episode from time to time where we talk about MAJOR releases or… launch a separate cast for the gaming side with different people (specifically GR writers and editors).

      Nothing has quite fit right but we’re always toying with the idea…

  7. 1 – Lincoln
    2 – Rise of the Guardians
    3 – Twilight
    4 – Skyfall
    5 – Playing for Keeps
    10 – Red Dawn

  8. It annoys me when aquaman isnt named/mentioned in justice league talk.
    Seriously hes way more interesting and doable in film than flash or lantern.
    I have no idea how they’re gonna make flash work(yes yes comic relief) but hes both a scientist and a cop blah blah blah and probably has the weakest foray of villains.

    What do you think of darkseid being the villain? personally I believe Starro wouldve been a more applicable villain to draw the heroes together as he could take over atlantis and themiscara (though thwarted easily by aquaman) but forces them to the mainland as starro spreads, also superman could just attack people taken by starro so itd be hard for him too and

    • Aquaman! I may have said it before but the fake Aquaman scene from Entourage is epic. I’d totally watch that movie.

      • Ben, after reading your comment, I decided to rewatch the Aquaman scene on youtube. That movie did look pretty damn epic. It’s no wonder it broke Spider-Man’s box office records.

  9. Ben, I do the same thing with every Movie/TV show trailer I see that I just don’t see how far it could go or how good it could be with how they set up the plot, 1st words out of my mouth are “Cancelled”, so your not in the only one that does it, the thing about it is before Kofi rattled off his season 1-4 plan, I thought of the season 3 back on the Island & season 4 hunted man plan myself & totally get how it may be difficult to sustain a series but I will say wouldn’t what makes a series watchable is how good/badass the leading character/man is and how his interactions with everyone drive the story/content & not how the story drives the characters and while I don’t think thats the only element that should carry a series because you can only do a reluctant hero so much but couldn’t that evolve into different elements and stories as the series progresses because I don’t think people are tuning into to see him get to the end of the list or see his Parkour skills but they want to see a different kind of superhero someone flawed willing to do anything and they want to see what he’s gone through on that island and while that story line can only go so far it can make for good over-arching narrative to the show which what pretty much amounts to a character piece…

    The thing about X-Men: DOFP is if you make the story about the 1st Class cast and use the other older X-Men to add to the story, say the characters come back to try to fix a fractured timeline it could be compelling stuff, say using them similar to how they used Spock in the JJ Abrams Star Trek but I will say it would’ve been nice if we could’ve gotten Vaughn back to do a direct linking sequel to 1st Class but I understand the need to for Brass ring/Avengers money…

    • We’ll definitely see how Arrow plays out. I would love 4 or 5 solid seasons of the show but I’m not sure I’ll be as interested next year if it doesn’t evolve much. Not saying it can’t or that it should (other viewers may not care) but I suspect that’s what it’ll take for me to stay interested.

  10. Finally I get to the top of the B.O.B!! :p (well sort of haha). For my perfect movie I would have to say Toy Story, are there really any flaws at all in that film?? I would also put Chronicle in that category, for me it was the perfect film. Everything I want in a film is played out in Chronicle, from the character development to the ending (well not ending ending but the spear scene) it was so intriguing, even still after i’ve seen it a good 5 times haha

    1. Twilight
    2. Skyfall
    3. Rise of the Guardians
    4. Life of Pi
    5. Lincoln
    10. Killing Them Softly

  11. Ben’s right. Arrow is formulaic & episodic. A carbon copy, with a “unique” hook: a robin-hooded man with a flat affect. I hoped the Huntress episode would differ. Nope. Just two characters going through the motions.

    I’ve watched most TV procedurals with initial interest, but tire of anticipatory events and dry imitative conversations. It’s almost always the same routine: 1st third, manufacture a new enemy; 2nd 1/3, have the protagonist(s) quickly/magically deduce everything about the enemy; last 3rd, apprehend the enemy while having to make adjustments.

    Shows like The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, even Once Upon a Time, etc, are garnering increased popularity because they are screened as novels, each episode as a chapter, not as a series of short children stories.

    Interestingly, comic book stories are often contiguous, but Arrow really isn’t. The commonality between each episode is a measly ‘list’, similar to ABC’s Revenge (whose initial strength via a structured story diminished due to unplanned/unnecessary prolongation).

    2+ episode arcs would have befitted Arrow, allowing proper examination and development of Oliver, his Island damaged personality (could have allowed for a character piece leading to an Emmy nomination), and the other characters and events. Instead short uninspired scenes are crammed together, quick conversations are fueled by quips and cliched remarks, and personalities are badly tailored, redundant and stagnant. Why has Oliver only experienced one nightmare? What happened to his plan to build a night club? And why wasn’t the reason to build the night club shown to us, and not simply told? Etc.

    Kofi, yes, Arrow could follow the course that you laid out (it seems that’s what Revenge is doing in its 2nd season, and what other shows have done), but it’ll still be flimsy if that’s the overriding theme of Arrow’s 2nd season that similarly comprises of fillers between the first & last few episodes.

    It’s unlikely that current fandom will perpetuate Arrow, as it did to the detriment of Smallville.

    Person of Interest is similar to Arrow, it has its own ‘list’, but the writing is tighter, stories more complex, characters better developed, histories more dynamic and fleshed out, and conversations stronger. Though it has had a couple of short arcs, it falls into the same pattern of quickly dispatched enemy of the week and story mimicry. I’ve but given up on POI, but will say that that its premise does lend for more stand alone episodes than Arrow.

    • Exactly. I can see that Arrow may have a long life ahead of it but as I mentioned above, I’m not sure the hook will be enough for me, personally, across multiple seasons – because there are so many other shows that evolve and do something more.

      The Walking Dead is a good example – where the seasons offer different and changing experiences.

      I’d even argue that Dexter, which started out as a killer of the week semi-procedural, has managed to evolve out of that format (in spite of a few season misfires) into a good blend of its initial hook and a larger overarching character story.

  12. 1. Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part II
    2. Rise Of the Gaurdians
    4. Playing For Keeps
    5. Lincoln
    10. Killing Them Softly

  13. Regarding Arrow, I’m pretty sure it’s an entire notebook full of names, not just one page. That probably doesn’t change Kofi’s argument much, because even though they can keep it going longer, I guess that doesn’t make it any less boring.

    Still, I love Arrow. I personally voted ‘other’ in the poll (Last Resort is my favorite, unfortunately for me), but Arrow is a close second.

    • I thought it was a notebook (with other mysteries to be unlocked) but the list was only a page. I could be wrong.

      Either way, I can see how they could expand beyond the list – but, as you mention, I’m not sure that will change the core sneak into a house/warehouse, shoot a bad buy with arrows, rinse/repeat, format all that much.

      • True. Hopefully they can change things up and throw a couple of curveballs. They seem to be doing that, especially with Diggle convincing Oliver to go after the gang who was robbing banks, and with the introduction of Huntress. Plus, all of the flashbacks really flesh out the story, so they always make it interesting.

        But at least it’s not like The Cape, which by episode 3, forgot about the overarching plot of the series, and just decided to introduce a new villain each episode which had nothing to do with the general plot of the show.

  14. 1) Twilight
    2) Skyfall
    3) Rise of the Guardians
    4) Playing for Keeps
    5) Life of Pi

    10)Red Dawn

  15. i honestly want them to reboot xmen but if there going through on this i want it to be epic. but i am very skeptical. reboot xmen and ill cast it lol cuz i have my perfect dream real first class movie.

    box office battle
    2 skyfall
    3 lincoln
    4playing for keps
    5. rise of the guardians
    10.red dawn

    • Who would you cast?

      I think that’s why I’m a little worried about Days of Future Past too – I liked the “First Class” fresh start.

  16. Oh geeze, the audio was SO MUCH worse than I thought. Sorry peeps, I know that’s tough to listen to. We’ll do something different next week.

    • Yeah, sometimes I missed half of what you were saying. If the connection should be that bad again in the future please try to talk a bit slower. That way not as much information goes missing in the gaps. ;)

    • It’s all good, Rob. Just took a few minutes getting used to, but it wasn’t terrible.

    • Hi Rob, I don’t think many people got Iron Sky. Yes the spfx were very good, but what makes this movie a cult film is the back story. I was laughing my ass off at what was being said and done. The Nazi’s never evolved at all after they got to the moon at the end of WWII. All their equipment was gears, chains, and sprockets. I work with a bunch of German tool makers, and those guys could have been extras in this film. They went nuts over the iPhone to run their super weapon that the black, white, black dude had. Their attack ships were freekin Zeppelin’s. This was too much for me so I went and bought a used copy for $5 I can watch this nut movie when I get tired of watching the TOHO Co.film The Mysterians. The whole film makes as much sense as the NAZI UFO docs on H2. Very silly film that is a bunch of fun to watch

  17. Just want to let you guys know what a terrific job you are all doing with this podcast, it’s extremely informative and entertaining, best show online BAR NONE!! Please keep up the good work, I look forward to listening to new episodes every week and I go back and listen to older episodes all the time as well, your stuff is really pretty timeless and holds up well, all the reviews are peppered with humor and interesting insights, seriously great show you all got cooking here! I’m so glad I found this podcast and I will tell all friends about this show as well! Cheers!

    • Thanks for the kind words Hank! Glad you’ve been enjoying them!

  18. OMG Blade put Comic book movies on the Map i remember it was the first movie ive seen back to back then Blade 2 came along and changed the Game again

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMVE6BXqto

      Changed my world.

      • FUN FACT: the guy in that opening sequence is Kenny Johnson from The Shield and Sons of Anarchy.

      • That scene is awesome on so many levels! The camera work, the editing, the lighting, the music, the timing, the introduction of Blade (completely spotless in all that bloody mayhem) the fight choreography. It’s so incredibly well made that it gives me goosebumps every time I see it. It’s the epitome of coolness in action movies.

        The final confrontation with Frost in the temple is almost as great, though.

  19. #1 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2
    #2 Skyfall
    #3 Rise of the Guardians
    #4 Lincoln
    #5 Playing for Keeps
    #10 Flight

  20. I know you guys just play around, but sometimes you all just come down too hard on Ben when he starts discussing tv shows. He asked a question everyone should be thinking about for this show, and it took SO long to get an answer. To answer his question, I will say that if they continue the same formula as they are now, I won’t be watching it. I’m already getting tired of the whole have to kill someone off the list thing, and if they continue to drag that out, it’ll start to lose people. We’re about 7 episodes in and it’s starting to get old.

    • Well, I must say that I don’t like how casually Ben throws the word “cancellation” around. The solution to making a show good and memorable isn’t cancelling it before its time but giving the writers a kick in the butt. After all, we are talking people’s jobs here and not everyone is guaranteed to get a follow-up project once a show is axed. I say: as long as a show has an audience keep it going, and if you don’t like where it’s going, simply stop watching it. Works fine for me.

      I stopped watching many shows before they ended. Lost, Terminator: SCC and Fringe for example, and I don’t regret it or miss those shows. By the time I stopped watching them I simply didn’t care about how they ended anymore. But if others still like and watch them? Well, let them. Where is the harm in that?

      Sure, it’s always unfortunate when a show that you love turns into something that you don’t recognize or like anymore. But hey, that’s life. Just move on and let bygones be bygones.

      • In fairness, the “cancellation” thing is more of a running joke on the podcast than an actual petition. I do think there are a lot of shows that go on too long but I understand what you mean and you are right about jobs, etc but that’s also life, right? Especially in the movie/TV business. Shows get cancelled all the time – some of which don’t even deserve to be cancelled. Wouldn’t it be better if we had more options (putting the best creators to work?) – not just season after season of shows that people “enjoy” partly out of loyalty/partly out of hoping a show will return to former glory?

        At the end of the day, I’m just an advocate for better quality programming – which means that networks/writers/filmmakers/etc aren’t so stuck to a show that they let it devolve into something that is no longer true to the characters/creators or delivers fresh experiences for viewers. Fringe is a good example, what it is now (even though people are enjoying it), is a complete last-ditch grab at having one more season that completely undermines a lot of the things that came before (characters and story). For me, that’s a problem – even if I stop watching it.

        Maybe it’s my creative writing background but I’d like to see more networks take the BBC approach to shows – fewer episodes but tighter and smarter experiences (Luther, Sherlock, etc). That or the cable network approach, in the case of Breaking Bad – finish the story when it fits the character journey (don’t just stretch it out).

  21. #1 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2
    #2 Skyfall
    #3 Lincoln
    #4 Life of Pi
    #5 Rise of the Guardians
    #10 Flight

  22. 1. Lincoln
    2. Skyfall
    3. Twilight
    4. Rise
    5. Playing for Keeps
    10. Red Dawn

  23. Let’s do this:
    1. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2
    2. Skyfall
    3. Playing for Keeps
    4. Lincoln
    5. Rise of the Guardians
    10. Red Dawn

  24. Weekend Boxoffice:
    2.The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2
    3.Rise of the Guardians
    5.Playing for Keeps

    10.Killing Them Softly

  25. You guys make really good points about Justice League, especially regarding the timing of the project. On one hand, you have a critically acclaimed, widely loved, genre defining (and as Screen Rant recently pointed out, INDUSTRY defining) trilogy featuring one of their most popular characters. On the other, you’ve got DC’s biggest rival doing Scrooge McDuck swan dives into giant piles of cash after a team up superhero film, so copy cat strategies are expected.

    It would seriously be awkward for WB to reboot Batman so soon after Nolan’s trilogy. And not just from a “new Batman replacing Bale and confusing casual moviegoers” standpoint. Obviously, the studio wants to spin this off into new solo Batman films starring the new guy so then does that mean a new Gordon? A new Alfred? A new Joker after Ledger’s Oscar winning performance? That wouldn’t be fair to an actor.

    Personally, I’d prefer WB keep Man of Steel as its own separate trilogy similar to the Dark Knight series. I think that would work the best. You would avoid the Batman dilemma entirely. You’d avoid the (slightly less controversial) Green Lantern problem. You could just let Snyder and Nolan do their own thing with Superman without having to worry about tying the film’s events into a shared movie universe and avoid a potential mess like Iron Man 2. I think Man of Steel has a lot of potential to be awesome and I’d rather we get a standalone trilogy of great Superman films that carve their own place in film history.