Discuss Transformers 2 (Heavy Spoilers)

Roni

Sam used the allspark fragment on jetfire.

The matrix didn't give him any powers, when jetfire died he gave his parts to beef up and fly.

So there was a few things that really bothered me about rotf, first of all Optimus's coloring is off. I sat through the whole thing just looking for the mistake with his coloring -it was really bothering me- and if you look at his collar bone (metal thing) in the first movie it's red, in the second one it's blue. Minor details that an animator should have picked up.
Also the Matrix isn't a source of power, if anything its more like a journal of past Primes. It shouldn't have given him whatever the hell magical powers he had -temporarily.
And lastly, Sam had an allspark fragment right, during the duration of the movie Im screaming to myself "take the fragment to Optimus and revive him with that you dip$h*t!" Oui I can't help it, im kind of a fanatic.

ok
1 Optimus was accualy a desendent of the prims so i guess it was ok to kill him.
2 megatron got the tank legs because they fixed him up when they revived him
3 the movie was ausome but the 2 things i didnt like(apart from the lack of plot) was that optimus just took off the jet part he got after he killed the fallen. WHY!! he had a gun on his right arm that was twice as long as his other arm and he could fly WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!!! also im really angry that they killed scorponok. he survived the first movie by digging into the sand after the millitary failed to kill him then regenerated only to be killed by jetfire smashing his head as he fell down. HOW COULD YOU DO THAT!! scorponok was ausome. he was that one minor evil caracter that survived and he had ausome slow-mo stuff. they better have him survive because he the one transformer that was really ausome. that was my problem with the movie.

so ya i just saw tf2 last night and ya it is not as good as the first one, there are to many holes in the story and its simple stuff that could have been thought out better, things like megatron having two legs and being the tank legs at that? all they had to do was show the cube shard fix his leg and transform him into the tank robot (galvatron) but no he was like that when they got there....so am i to think that the octopi did it? come on! i do love these moves, all i want is just a little thought put into them.

LIbushe - I think they're pretty much the same as in the first one! My 7yr.-old actually turned to me during the closing monologue, and said "Isn't that what he said the first time, Mummy?" LOL; another critic in family. ;)

Check out the review I did with my dad, at: www.youtube.com/gabndad

Does anyone know the last Optimus Prime words on the end movie TRANSFORMERS 2?

unlike most people around here i loved the first 1. Revenge of thee fallen was just okay.here are some of the things i had a problem with.
1. Leo, he was anoying, and boring
2.devestator didnt have any big fights, and when he was trying to kill leo and simmons the scene was pointless. who cares if he kills leo and simmons.
3. when sam tells his dad and mom to leave with bumblebee its like what. one of the autobots best is going to leave to protect the parents. and they dont realy go anywhere because they are there at the end of the movie.
4. 30 of the last 32 minutes at the end are sam and mikela running to optimus. it was boring and like what theyre going to do this instead of having a showdown.
5. when devastator is using his sucker it pulls in cars but not the people.
6. the last fight scene with optimus and the fallen is only 15 seconds long.
7. when optimus has those extra parts why does he take them off when megatron and starscream are still alive

@John "Kahless" Taylor says:

Well, it seems that the vehicle mode is sort of a hologram of some kind. Or perhaps a shapeshifter deal. Maybe they would have to expend energy to project non-damaged parts in robot mode? It's just an idea.

Maybe Megatron is a prime, but he wouldn't be a threat to the fallen because he is a villain and wants what the fallen wants anyway. Also, just an idea.

I think someone had mentioned this somewhere before but I kept thinking about how the robots looked in robot-mode vs. their vehicle mode; in robot-mode, they have dints and scratches but when they transform, their vehicle mode look like they just came off the assemply line, then when they transform back to robot mode, they have the dints and scratches again. Weird. Also, it was said numerous times that only a Prime can defeat a Prime; who killed Optimus Prime? Is Megatron another Prime? Not according to the Fallen.

Actually, there is some bad information being bandied about here. Critics universally hate this movie, but 90% of viewers rate it very highly. How is it possible that someone could make a movie that 90% of everyone loves, but critics hate? Michael Bay has a knack for giving the masses what they want while ignoring the critics entirely. He is a proven money-maker and producers will continue to produce his films because they are cash cows. If Paramount didn't put out films like Transformers that are stupid, yet wildly popular, then Awesome films like Star Trek would never get made (because a studio would go out of business).

By the way, other than a few annoying things about the movie (Megan Fox and Bumblebee's voice, for example), I thoroughly enjoyed it.

OK, so ive seen the movie twice now, once in IMAX and once regular theatres. I really enjoyed the action sequences. THe way he pulls out the camera and lets you see the fighting was really well done. Also, Sideswipe deserved a much bigger role, the way he takes out the R8 in the movie was amazing. Also, I noticed that one of the kitchen appliances shoots out of a canon placed right over his genetalia. That is to say, his dick was firing rockets... pardon my french. Anyone else notice that?

Big fan of the cartoon, had tons of the toys, and really liked the first film.The second movie I wanted to leave after the first hour. People say turn your brain off and enjoy and I did and still was bored and dissapointed. How many times are humping dogs going to be used for a quick laugh then we got humping robots.Then we got scenes that were so predictable (wrestling robots uncover robot tomb,l-bomb dropped when charactor is dying) there were many times in this movie when I said to myself no thats not going to happen and oh crap it did. I'm not saying it's awful but its far from great take out 2/3 of the scenes with the humans (please kill off Sams parents) and the movie is better.

@DataSchmuck

no i believe that was something that was added for the movie. they made it look like it was right outside but it is actually an entirely different location.

I've been to the National Air and Space Museum in DC probably close to five or six times. It is located in the middle of the National Mall in DOWNTOWN Washington DC.

I must have missed the section that had the GIANT HANGAR that opens up into a HUGE OUTDOOR PLANE GRAVEYARD. Which is funny because I have walked around that entire area, all I remember seeing was street to street buildings.

I guess I needed to pay for the guided tour, or it's a new addition in the last year? Can anyone confirm the new plane graveyard exhibit at the National Air and Space Museum?

I loved the subtle imagery in the movie. Let's not forget who the writers are! :)
The first robot seen in this movie raised two over-sized arms in the air and crashed them down while emitting a loud, audible robot tone. He was in New York. He destroyed a suspension bridge. Ringing a bell???
We later find Megatron lying at the bottom of the deepest trench in the ocean, surrounded by octopi?!?! Isn't it too deep and cold for those guys there? Were they drawn to Megatron?
Later in the movie, a girl chasing after Sam turns out to be.....a mutant transformer alien!!! Reminded me of Sil (I avoided all blonde supermodels for years after seeing that movie!) How long have they been here? Walking among us?
After we are reintroduced to Agent Simmons, he stands in a doorway to a pyramid in Egypt and says, "This is just about the biggest doorway I have ever seen." Hhhhhmmmmmm?
The doorway leads into a chamber made up of "dead" transformers who were guarding a key that unlocked the power of their main machine. It was a giant world killer (like Star Trek XI's Romulan machine).
Suddenly, a super-transformer appears (made up of several transformers combining Voltron-style) and starts sucking up the desert. He tries to swallow an autobot by sucking him into his maw! A giant soul-sucking transformer!?!?!?
What does this all mean??? All allusion to what's coming up next, of course! Watch Lost's last season and see everything written or produced by the Abrams team! It's gonna be a hell of a ride! You might read a little sci-fi/horror as well. Start with the originators early in the century.

Ok seen it twice now....I still hold the first film in high regard and my favorite just cus its was Transformers on the big screen for the first time 4 cripe's sake. Revenge Of the Fallen I really enjoyed, a total popcorn movie with something for everyone. Drama, comedy high and low points and of course Michael Bay's explosive action and iconic imagery.
Being a fan of the 80's cartoon, Beast Wars, Beast Machines. I enjoyed most of the film but had a few personal thoughts. Like why not more Sideswipe,Soundwave (battles/transformation...), Ravage, Rampage, etc....I liked the whole Nest thing. But got tired of the switching scenes of military red tape giber. I would have preferred more dialog for the Transformers and original cast and not pointless minor characters that had no point taking up time. Another thing was with the Fallen basically comes a connection to Unicron (only and obvious plot for # 3). Nothing.... The only thing I heard was Tyrese comment "if god made us in his image....who made them" hint hint. Over all really enjoyed the movie and planning on going for a 3rd time. No movie is perfect espically with huge fan followings, its so hard to please everyone. Its gonna be a while but already xicked and intrested in what they will do with Transformers 3.

The best part about all the haters writing these loooong negatives comments....is that when part three comes out...we all know they will be waiting to see it!!!!!

Wes,

Yes, it had the same writers as the first film(Orci and Kurtzman),but I heard that they aren't coming back for the third film though.

Everyone seems to be saying there were more transformer scenes than the first. I thought it was way less with a lot more of Sam and company. I thought Bumblebee and Optimus were hardly in it. If you take away Jetfire's endless talking and running into everything as well as the annoying twins, there's not a lot of action left. Venom has more time in Spiderman 3 than the Fallen had. Even the military guys were used a lot less. The movie was about Sam, his parents, his girlfriend, his roommate, and the goofy CIA agent.

I loved the fight scenes except for the endless slow-motion shots. It was cool for Optimus to finally whip Megatron's butt, even in the first fight. Was it just me or was anyone else wondering if they came to see the TRANSFORMERS? Most of the movie was Sam and the gang running and hiding. As far as the sexual humor goes, I knew we were in for it when the ice cream truck shows up with "suck my popsicle" painted on the side. The first movie was fine without it and it didn't make this one better. Megan Fox looked like she was dressed for a music video in every scene. I know she's the eye candy of the film, but come on. It seemed the film was too long and a lot of the unneeded stuff could have been trimmed. I loved the first film and didn't feel that it had all these drawbacks. Did it have the same writers?

I thought the action in the movie was great. Honestly though some of the action sequences could of been cut out and the movie could of been 20 to 30 minutes shorter. The dialogue was a little cheesy and forced. Megan Fox was dynamite hot. Shia was great, just wish the writing for him was a little better. The mom was getting annoying, but was somewhat funny. The other transformers added were just for comic relief.

Overall, the movie was 7 out of 10. The plot was really thin. I like the John Turturro parts, but didn't need to see his butt. I thought the roommate wasn't really a factor in the movie and he could of been cut out completely, but he had a couple funny scenes.

I hope the third one brings just as much action and a better plot and setup. It's a movie about transformers and the action and stuff, but I wouldn't mind seeing more up close personal action with Megan Fox...Can I get an AMEN! lol

The movie is a mess. Lines like "Sam, it has always been your destiny," left me wondering if I was watching Star Wars or the Death of Superman instead of a flick about giant robots. And why the hell did we need the step and fetch it robots in this? Some of the action was good, but it became indecipherable at times. I thought the first movie was better and I didn't even like the first movie.

I enjoyed the film...it has its flaws, but overall it was enjoyable. Only major complaint I had was that "The Fallen" had only 10 minutes of screen time and "he" is the title character.

I completly and totaly agree with you Brandon and Jacob
What else can you expect from transformers except great entertainment and robot on robot carnage?

I thought the movie was great yes it had some sexually humor but it has so get it over dont let the kids plenty of so called top rated movie have sexually humor do hear anyone compliaing so just live with it this wasant suppose to be no oscar wining movie it suppose be robots beating each other up and they did that so just quit complaing

Well, I thought the movie was great and I thought the twins were hilarious. It was there for comic relief and that's it. I think everyone should stop looking so deep into it and just enjoy the movie. It was a great movie

Vic, how was that. I wanted to see it.

I just saw the R-rated "Public Enemies" and it had about 1/20th the foul language of PG-13 Transformers 2.

Vic

transformers 3:

more action away from earth
soundwave must transform into robot mode
megatron becomes galvatron
no more revivals because no more shard of allspark and no more sun harvester
superion and trailbreaker must be in it
more plane battles in the sky like in the first movie
show us a good 30 minutes of footage on cybertron
way more screentime for sideswipe (badass)
have a couple new epic autobots and decepticons like primus and unicron
less human interaction
oh Alice is as hot or maybe hotter than megan fox, too bad she died
they should call it:

Transformers: The Battle for Cybertron

peace

TO those who think it was not offensive, the writers think different: "Orci: Yeah, same reaction. I’m not easily offended, but when I saw it, I thought, ‘Someone’s gonna write about that.’”"

Orci and Kurtzman Respond to Claims of Racism in ‘Transformers 2′
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