Ren, Sorry to hear that you’re STILL confused. Granted, there were more than a few screw-ups on Bay’s part in the sequel, but this was not one of them. Devastator is NOT the tank. The tank IS Brawl, as he was supposed to be in the first movie. They didn’t make that mistake again in the second movie (just all new mistakes). Just to clear it up for you: Tank = Brawl. Constucticons = Devastator. There was no confusion about that in the sequel, so go with it.

On that note, Devastator sucked! Um, no pun intended. He had such a good lead-in with the constructicons sitting there in their vehicle forms in the quarry, but then they joined, and he couldn’t seem to stand up! WTH! I was expecting him to rise up hundreds of feet tall, but all he did was kinda crouch like some knee-down amputee. But then, keep in mind that Prime obliterated a Decepticon early on in the sequel that looked like Scavenger, and also beheaded Bonecrusher in the first movie. So maybe Devastator wasn’t complete after all. That would explain why he couldn’t stand up.

The special effects were great as usual, but the story, continuity, and character development were really disappointing. But that’s Bay for you.

I was a huge fan of Transformers, Volton and GI Joe when I was a little girl. I’m tickled pink (no pun intended) that these shows are being brought back in a way that my tech. advanced 8 year old twins and I can share together. I tried to get them interested in the old school version but they couldn’t get past how dated everything was. Now my boys and I have an awesome way to bridge that age gap and have something to talk about.

Not any parents have anything in common with their children anymore. I think I can overlook a few discrepancies for something that precious.

I love all of these live action retro movies they’re making!

His modified form (and the presumably modified forms of the other 5) will ultimately make Devastator look somewhat different.

I just hope it’s not too different, though.

Upon watching the movie again very carefully, it appears that the size/mass/density was correct and consistent.

Flamestrike, perhaps it appears the way you say because when they are in robot form, they are “stretched out”, with exposed areas (joints) and “air pockets”(abdomen), where as when they are in vehicular form, they may be more compacted or condensed.

As far as I could see, there didn’t seem to be any problems with mass simply vanishing into nothingness, or generating from nothingness.

And each Transformer stayed consistent in its transformations… even moreso than the original cartoons. So I don’t have any problems with that. Bay actually pulled that off correctly…

I just wish that he had kept their heads/faces/coloration more recognizable… and also left Brawl’s name alone, instead of wussying out (Besides being the correct name, “Brawl” is just as tough a name as “Devastator”).

Rest assured, time will tell if he screws up again, and diehard TF fans will be sure to complain about it.

not that thing on the other page.

And yet, the robots were more massive than their vehicle modes would allow for. Surprise, Bay lied.

BTW, don’t criticize GoBots, I loved them as much as I loved Transformers (Bionicle you can bash all you want).

And yes, Wes. We can assume that Blackout (if not being some mutilated version of Soundwave himself), could have filled that role in the first movie. If you recall, during Blackout’s first attack (on the military base), Scorponok or Frenzy “popped-out” of him. It sure reminded me of tapes popping-out of a boombox. But imagine trying to have a 40+ foot tall robot try to transform into a boombox; it’d be a boombox the size of a minivan… & tapes the size of VCR’s (both of which are outdated forms of technology)… not realistic.

And Bay did say in the beginning that he wasn’t going to mess with the size/mass/density issue. That’s why a 60+ foot tall, several ton, Megatron ain’t gonna transform into an 8-inch, less than a pound, P-38 pistol.

Besides, Frenzy was small enuf to transform into a boombox (tip-of-the-hat), & that was fine with me. Close enuf.

Anyway, I figure it like this: Alien machines arrive on earth, try to blend in as best they can with what was available upon arrival, & so at first their forms are really strange, but as they stay on earth, & become more acclimatized to not just what will help them blend in, but also to the preferences & styles of our culture, then perhaps they will get more familiar looking, like Ironhide going red, & Ratchet changing to white/red. At least that’s my hope. We’ll see how (ir)responsible Bay turns out to be.

Let’s see. Who knows how to count? Hook, Longhaul, Bonecrusher, Scavenger, Mixmaster, Scrapper. That’s it. There ain’t no mo’.