‘Dark Knight Rises’ Riddler Rumors Surface Yet Again

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Maybe there will be no end to this until The Dark Knight Rises is officially in theaters, but once again, rumors have surfaced claiming that The Riddler will be showing up in Chris Nolan’s third and final Batman movie.

If you don’t like RUMORS or are put off by posts that indulge in speculation about a big comic book movie like this, then move on, nothing to see here.

As we get into examining this latest Riddler rumor, it should go without saying that everything you read here should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt, and that NONE of it is in any way to be considered verified information.

The alleged scoop comes our way via Hypable, which claims to have a “legitimate source” who described a supposed “official casting document” taken from back in April, in which the cast of the Dark Knight Rises was listed alongside their characters. You can take a look at the breakdown of the sheet, as described by Hypable:

EDWARD NYGMA (LEAD) -

BRUCE WAYNE/BATMAN (LEAD) – Christian Bale

ALFRED PENNYWORTH (LEAD) – Michael Caine

BANE (LEAD) – Tom Hardy

SELINA KYLE (LEAD) – Anne Hathaway

FEMALE LEAD (LEAD) – Marion Cotillard (attached)

Obviously it’s that “Edward Nygma” part of the sheet that is causing these new Riddler rumors – but again, nothing about this sheet, or the person who passed it along, has been confirmed. So for now it’s all highly suspect. There’s also the fact that a so-called leaked casting sheet naming The Riddler was debunked a year ago. This could just as easily be another fake, or the same fake, as rediscovered by the Internet.

So, let’s just get it out of the way and say this rumor is almost certainly FALSE.  However, just for kicks, there are a few unlikely theories we can explore.

First of all, there’s the fact that April 2011 also happens to coincide with the time we first started hearing that Joseph Gordon-Levitt was joining Dark Knight Rises. JGL has long been a fan-favorite pick to play The Riddler, so inevitably some fans are going to jump to the conclusion that this is what Nolan has been keep up his sleeve all along.

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We eventually found out that Gordon-Levitt would play “John Blake” a cop working for Commissioner Gordon – but again, there has been an sentiment of purposeful misdirection by Nolan, which has been echoed by many fans. The simultaneous casting of JGL and Marion Cotillard was immediately put under the microscope of scrutiny, by those unwilling to believe that “John Blake” and “Miranda Tate” were all that they initially seemed.

Recent Dark Knight Rises set photos have lent serious credit to the theory that Miranda Tate is in fact a cover for Cotillard’s true role as Ra’s al Ghul’s daughter, Talia al Ghul. If Nolan is using misdirection to throw us off the scent of one character, who’s to say he isn’t pulling that same act twice with The Riddler?

Back when we were all wondering what Batman 3 would be about, we here at Screen Rant (and a lot of you fans) were keen on the idea of Nolan’s Riddler being some kind of cop or special investigator who becomes obsessed with figuring out who Batman is. So you can see how this latest rumor is going to give some people the false impression that their suspicions are being vindicated.

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Of course, there is one big, glaring, problem with this whole theory: Nolan himself has already said that The Riddler won’t be in Dark Knight Rises. So there’s that.

It’s probably for the better if The Riddler is left out. Dark Knight Rises is already a full plate – what with Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman, Tom Hardy’s Bane, and of course, a little guy named Batman who we may want to see onscreen now and again. If Cotillard truly is Talia and not just some supporting character,  JGL (or someone else) playing Edward Nygma/Riddler would make this film feel very swollen. Nolan could still streamline all the moving parts into one epic Batman machine, but it would be a tricky task to pull off, for sure.

What do you think: Any truth to these Riddler rumors? Are you expecting to see Joseph Gordon-Levitt revealed as Edward Nygma, or is this just more Internet misinformation?

The Dark Knight Rises will be in theaters on July 20, 2012.

Source: Hypable

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  1. My thought is if Catwoman is the good guy (which i think she will be, at least towards the end of the movie) there got to be one more villain. Bane is definitely not working for himself. i agree he is a very very very smart villain who discovers the Bat identity but his swagger is not one of a Boss. He must be working for a higher power imo. i don`t know if it is the riddler but i have this strong feeling of a surprise in the last 45 mns of the movie… :)

  2. If there’s the Riddler in here too, then I hope Nolan handles the jugglery well because there’s so many characters, so much story to tell and then…there’s the rising of the Batman !

  3. First of all, I’m not concerned with the “too many villains” nonsense. In theory, “Nygma” could show up as part of the breakout crowd, not unlike Zszaz in Batman Begins. That said, I don’t think there will be a Riddler (much less a Nygma) in the film. I will accept a tease or a wink like a Joker card or a mention of cats from the previous films Or like a phantom never seen, but just leaves puzzles/riddles behind just to mess with Batman’s mind. It may be Nolan’s last film as a Bats director, but a ? at the end could serve double duty as a tease to The Riddler and What Happens Next, Who Directs and When.

    But that’s as far as I go, folks. I got no problem with JGL being a detective out to solve the identity of Batman, and being just that and nothing more.

    • The studio already announced that a reboot is in the works, so there won’t be a fourth film.

      • You know how things like that go though. They had already started choosing cast members for Spider-Man 4 and then completely trashed it and handed it over into a reboot (thank god). If Nolan and Bale tell Warner Bros that they want to make a fourth installment, say bye, bye to the reboot. You know how Chris Nolan is, he didn’t know if he wanted to make a sequel to Batman Begins, and after The Dark Knight he didn’t know if he wanted to complete a trilogy.

      • Don’t listen to everything you hear. Flash has had a “solid” script for years and has had multiple release dates. You would be surprised on how often these things go down. I wouldn’t be surprised on two things. A surprise villain in 3 and a 4th movie popping up.

  4. Why is no one talking about alon aboutboul being cast as a “mad scientist”

    • I agree with Jesse, where is the info on the “mad scientist” that they were talking about awhile ago? What did he just disappear or did they cut him out of the film?

  5. This movie NEEDS the Riddler. I’m sorry, but Bane is pointless if he does not break the bat’s back. It is a wasted movie villain. Furthermore, Catwoman is hardly a villain. More of a flip-flopper, with no true loyalties. That doesn’t make her a “villain” in this movie. And as for Talia – she’s more or less in the same boat as Catwoman – and I’d bet my bucket of popcorn that those two will face off in a “cat fight”. This movie NEEDS the Riddler – its time people start admitting that.

    • Thank you ^^^^^ this film needs another big time villain bane can’t be the only one jgl will turn into some one probably along the lines of what two face did in TDK I just hope its more explained , I’m hoping he turns into the Riddler but if not id like to see a holiday killer or something along those lines , I just for damn sure don’t want to see him be a robin ill be pissed

    • because of batman begins having THE JOKER CARD CAMEO, dark knight having the actual character, wouldn’t it be nice to end the batman/nolan trilogy with a third joker appearnce ( his card) .. as joker says ” i think we’re destined to do this forever” a nice touch to have his card appear again
      we don’t worry about getting a new actor messing up the plot or even “killing” heath ledgers legacy. every one’s happy

  6. I certainly think that Marion Cotillard will end up to be Talia Al Ghul. Nolan has been known to give cover up names to things he tries his best not to leak. So it is probable that Joseph Gordon Levitt, or anyone else for that matter could end up to be The Riddler. Another thing that not many people talk about is how they are going to make way to bringing up the Joker. It would be weird to not hear about him or see anything of him, considering he is the ultimate super villain that simply cannot be ignored, especially if he lived at the end of TDK. I truly believe that Nolan will find someone to use as a Joker cameo, just to set into our heads that the Joker is still there. Nolan hasn’t been more secretive about anything than he is now with The Dark Knight Rises. It’s either going to turn out exactly how he says it is going to, or it is going to turn out into something completely off the wall and maybe end up into a 3 to a 4 hour film. You have to think like Chris Nolan, haha.

  7. Riddle Me This: How can a hero seem a villian without doing a single evil act?
    Answer: When he has a bad reputation.
    Note that it never says “The Riddler”. It says “Edward Nygma”
    They could always go the angle of Nygma as a PI or something who slowly goes nuts, or they could go a completely different way. I personally choose to believe that the good Mr. Nygma WILL make an appearance in the film as I think he is one of the best characters in the batman mythos.

    • riddler made his appearance in dark knight …. note the phone in criminals stomach…. question mark scar

      ….. also “boss said he’d make the voices disapear…..replace them with lights…like chrismas” joker’s personality? i think not!

  8. Riddler may be not be the Riddler we know…but there is an opportunity here that Nolan I hope didn’t pass up on…He could just have him be less Riddler-esque and just call himself the Riddler. I could see him in league with Talia. If he turns out to be a rookie cop or detective I think its a wate….

    Its the last film- why not saturate the screen with all the fan favorites? And honestly- I don’t recall anyone screaming for Bane. We wanted the Riddler….so I hope Nolan pulls through.

  9. Why are they doing ANOTHER reboot?!?! When will WB realize that Batman belongs on the television and not the cinema?! Make another tv series, preferably on cable, that features small season with an arc that closes it neatly. You can even make arcs that last more seasons! Think about how awesome would it be to watch a Long Halloween based season of 10-12 episodes long! Get Bats back on tv!!

    • I think it’s doing quite fine in the cinema but would I like another animated series. Yes. I hopw they use the upcoming Batman: Year One as a pilot episode for a new animated series. Using the Man Who Laughs, Long Halloween and Dark Victory as story arcs.

    • You would think that the 10 year success run of SMALLVILLE which was not a big budget production, has proven that you can do a TV show based on a Comic book hero. The idea I’ve been pitching for years on this is to do a young Bruce Wayne, say his first year of high school (like in Smallville) who ends up going top Gotham High instead of some private boarding school because he’s been kicked out of all the boarding schools and so none will take him and for yet to be outlined reasons, Alfred (Bruces legal guardian) can’t leave Gotham and so Bruce’s only choice is regular high school.

      At Gotham High he quickly makes acquaintances (that soon turns to friendship) with a high school aged Eddie Nygma (the classic computer geek with more tech knowledge then confidence), Jimmy Gordon (average kid trying to make the football team to impress his cop father) and Rachel Dawes the daughter of Wayne’s former head house maid (before Bruce’s parents were killed). These 4 come together as a team to help each other because they find out they share a common problem; Carmine Falcone.

      Bruce (in the pilot) finds out his parents death was no accident but a hit that’s connected to Falcone. Eddie lives with his mom because his father who used to work for Falcone mysteriously disappeared one day and Eddie knows Falcone is connected. Gordon’s dad is one of the few at the police department not on Falcone’s payroll and so he recently found himself the latest full time resident at Gotham Memorial because he’s in a comma from a drug bust gone bad that reeks of cover up but no one is talking.

      These 4 decide to work together to find all of Falcone’s dirty secrets, expose them and get answers to their own questions/problems. They do this thru the recently resurrected GOTHAM KNIGHTS Detective Agency. Rachel’s dad, a former PI owns the place but has not had much luck in Gotham and so hes working another career and has the agency as another job. The kids convince Rachel’s dad to let them help him out (for money) but don’t tell him they are actually using the Detective Agency as a way in to do things regulars people can’t; investigation work. They have to convince Rachel’s dad there’s work to do and so they find cases and bring them to the agency so they have a cover for doing detective work.

      The show plays out with each season covering a year at Gotham High and as the seasons progress each gets the answer they are looking for with Bruce’s being the last one left unsolved. Lots of potential here to make many BATMAN and DC comics references and all without actually using the name BATMAN just like SMALLVILLE avoided the SUPERMAN term. The SUMMER breaks would have Bruce traveling overseas to his various mentors for martial arts training and the like and so each season we see a progression from Bruce Wayne, angry and hard to deal with troubled kid to mature young man with a goal and a plan. Instead of the standard Batman suit Bruce would have a black long coat and black t-shirt with jeans. Various Batman villains could be introduced over time in their younger forms just like Smallville did. We know that Bats arch rival, the joker was previously Jack Napier, one of Falcone’s middle men. In the show we would see Jack featured often as the point man Falcone uses for most of his dirty work. This way Brice would become very familiar with the man who will one day be his opposite.

      I call it GOTHAM KNIGHTS.

      • @BlueCollarCritic

        I have been a HUGE Batman fan all my life. I don’t read as many comics aside from some Graphic Novels but I do make a point to watch all Batman related media. With that being said. Im sorry sir but no offense, that is a horrible pitch you have constructed.

        Let us start with your Eddie” Nygma. The huge influence on Nygma personality is his father. Taking that away almost completely destroys his character. He is the way he is because his father mentally abused his intellect and love of puzzles. 

        James Gordon does not belong in Gotham HS. His father does not belong in GCPD. You are taking away his Chicago city roots and making him some typical stock character. Daddy Gordon basically the ill-fated version of his son. No sir, I disagree.

        You can do what ever you want with Rachel Dawes. 

        You need to take Jack Napier out of the fold. The Joker is the best when his origin story is unknown and there is no sympathy for him other than he just had one bad day a long time ago. There are plenty of hitman you can use if you need one. Deadshot. Victor Zassz(sp). But dont destroy The Joker.

        Finally your Bruce Wayne. First I don’t like the idea of Bruce in public HS. If anything he would be homeschooled.  But I digress. Long black trench coat? No sir. These “summer trips” to go overseas are completely useless. It takes years of dedication not three months at a time to learn inner peace. The whole HS detective team is a silly concept. 

        Your concept sounds like a Twilight-esque Birds of Prey. You are better off making something original with out ruining Batman legacy. Smallville worked for a number of reasons. Originally they had no plans to mess with continuity or backstories of major characters. It was after the mid way point, when they realized Smallville was living on past its projected life expectancy, did they decide to really create their own universe i.e Lois Lane, Green Arrow, Justice Leauge etc. Smallville followed a monster of the week scenario and the show created its own villians instead of multilating previously established characters.

         Now here is an idea for a show. Take a 20 something Bruce Wayne traveling across the world during his 8-12 year training expedition. Each season has Bruce working with a different master learning all he can. Throughout the SEASONS you see Bruce learn the difference between vengeance and justice, vigilante and hero. He could train with Henri Ducard for merecenary tracking, Ras Al Ghul for ninja training and Zatara (Zantana’s father) for how to escape the unescapable. Each teacher will test his morals and mental as much as the physical. Possible love interest could be Zatanna and Talia al Ghul. There are quite a few stories of Bruce during his years of training and people who made him who he was. Now THIS has “Lots of potential here to make many BATMAN and DC comics references and all without actually using the name BATMAN just like SMALLVILLE avoided the SUPERMAN term.”  Most importantly no trench coats!!!

        • I thank you @BlueCollarCritic for you have inspired me. I really like the pitch I came up with on the fly. Think Im gonna flesh it out and pitch it.

          • You do know that a show about Bruce Wayne was The WB’s first idea before deciding on Smallvillle, don’t you? It was widely reported in comics/entertainment media. They canned it because of the upcoming reboot of Batman that Chris Nolan was doing. They’re not going to buy your pitch, they already had their own version of it, and it sounds exactly like what BlueCollarCritic suggested. The CW (what used to be the WB basically) is looking into new Superhero show ideas, but they are considering things like Raven, Dick Grayson, and Blue Beetle. At this point, I think they want the larger properties to stick to movies. In other words, don’t waste your time, it’s been done, and they won’t buy it.

        • good job some one in the world is actually a proper batman fan

      • man! you should get into the comics writer industries …i would love to read THAT graphic novle

  10. Why do these stupid riddler rumors keep coming back? JGL (if hes a villain) will be playing smaller villain role. Just a crooked cop. talia al ghul and the league of shadows are the main villain with bane there to “keep batman busy” while the league takes care of buisness. its obvious. why you say?? these new tumblers seen have been connected to bain. how in the world would he get batman style tumblers? from the blueprints at wayne enterprises. someone on the inside had to gain access to them.an employee. marion cotillards character miranda tate. She is really talia and has gotten close to bruce. it all fits. those tumblers are a dead giveaway.

  11. I agree that bane is not big enough to fly solo… But it’s been made very clear that bane is “the guy” in this movie. That means if riddler was to be in tdkr, that he or catwoman woul take a substancial cut in importance. I would love to see jgl go insane as John Blake. Then again, I also would want to see Liam neeson come back with the leauge of shadows with him.TOTAL BATMAN OVERLOAD!!!

  12. wouldnt mind some easter eggs at hints of other villians like the last two movie,i still think it would be cool if the leave it open ended with a riddler hint at the end, Fingers Cross with chris nolan and christian bale return for a fourth film with johnny depp as the riddler, Christian bale and johnny depp where in a movie called public enemies and it was pretty awesome.

  13. Wise Alfred predicts one of 4 plot endings:

    Ending 1: JGL is Jim Gordon’s / Harvey Dent’s son and turns on Batman, fighting with Bane

    Ending 2: JGL/ Blake is the riddler and is the mole in Jim Gordon’s unit

    Ending 3 (most likely): He watches from afar Bane breaking batman’s back and we see the beginning of John Paul Valley – Azreal

    Ending 4 (most controversial): John Blake is sent to Arkham Asylum and as he enters, he unlocks all the prisoners doors after saying: “time to play” …. in THE JOKER’S VOICE.

    • or…. ending 5 :John Blake is sent to Arkham Asylum and as he enters, he unlocks all the prisoners doors and we hear joker’s voice coming from one of the doors saying ” some one knocked some sense into them ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha …. credits roll

  14. Another thing I kind of noticed as a reference to a possible Riddler involvement is Coleman Reese who everyone just calls Mr. Reese which is in fact an allusion to the word “mysteries”. If Riddler’s gonna be in this, I have no doubt he will be “Mr. Reese”. Now I know everyones gonna say “herble derble His name’s Edward Nygma!” wrong, Riddler goes by several different aliases in the comics, Mr. Reese could be another.

    My theory about “John Blake” is that he’ll turn out to be good ol’ Dick Grayson and will take over for Bruce after Bane breaks him. Besides John Blake is the name of a character that appeared in one of the earliest comics Robin was ever included in, just as the name Miranda Tate was a background character (so I’ve heard) in one of the graphic novels featuring Talia. Besides Bruce has been looking for someone to take up his mantle, who better than the man who has done so often in the comics? Recently Dick’s gone from being more than just Robin or Nightwing he’s even taken over completely as the Dark Knight when Bruce “died”.

    Just thought I’d leave you with that to think about.

    • herble derble ? ? ?

  15. Another thing I kind of noticed as a reference to a possible Riddler involvement is Coleman Reese who everyone just calls Mr. Reese which is in fact an allusion to the word “mysteries”. If Riddler’s gonna be in this, I have no doubt he will be “Mr. Reese”. Now I know everyones gonna say “herble derble His name’s Edward Nygma!” wrong, Riddler goes by several different aliases in the comics, Mr. Reese could be another.

    My theory about “John Blake” is that he’ll turn out to be good ol’ Dick Grayson and will take over for Bruce after Bane breaks him. Besides John Blake is the name of a character that appeared in one of the earliest comics Robin was ever included in, just as the name Miranda Tate was a background character (so I’ve heard) in one of the graphic novels featuring Talia. Besides Bruce has been looking for someone to take up his mantle, who better than the man who has done so often in the comics? Recently Dick’s gone from being more than just Robin or Nightwing he’s even taken over completely as the Dark Knight when Bruce “died”.
    Just thought I’d leave you with that to think about.

  16. Since Nolan and Bale are done I dont wanna 4th batman movie or a reboot..leave it alone..animation n video games are fine but thats it. As for the TDKR..id like to see a Joker cameo at
    beginning or in the middle. Similar to scarecrow’s cameo in TDK.

  17. As for ending..id like it to end with Bane breaking Batman’s back in an epic battle..then with a few mins left if Alfred is living id like him to go to hospital to see Batman one last time..then after he leaves..another person comes in and tells him Batman, youll always be the Dark Knight but until you rise again..ill be the hero Gotham needs..that person of course would be Darkwing aka Dick Grayson

  18. I just want me some Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzel… If that ain’t too much to ask

  19. I’m just saying, maybe not riddler but i’m betting a lot that there will be a second villan!

  20. I just think Nolan needs to NOT have this be the last movie – since in all honesty, you can find REASONS for all the villains to exist, I mean, just taking the comic book reasons and making them a bit more realistic would be enough – and as long as the villain is there, someone needs to take him or her down…
    I think so much should NOT be squeezed into this movie. I think Nolan needs to rethink this being the last movie – I want more, and I think many fans do as well – Nolan can pull it off, I believe, and he needs to.

  21. I agree sucks that it is last movie..but only villain i wouldve like to see was Riddler and maybe Harlequin..in fact..i wouldve rather them over Bain and Catwoman..I just dont find Anne Hathaway interesting at all..reminds me of back in high school when we had to watch the princess diaries..i watched first 30 mins and went to sleep..she is not an action type actress..she is more of a romedy(romantic/comedy) type actress..I mean there are many actress that couldve fit this role..and if I remember correctly..catwoman isnt caucasian..she is of latina descent..Dania Ramirez wouldve been nice to see in this role..she hasnt had a breakout movie role. So this could have been the one..but anyway..theres no going back..all we can do now is pray that this movie has been Nolaterized!

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