‘The Dark Knight Rises’ Review

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 The Dark Knight Rises Review

At the time of writing this  The Dark Knight Rises review, it is impossible to view the finale to the story of Bruce Wayne and his crime-fighting alter-ego, Batman, as just a movie. The film arrives on a wave of massive hype, yet it is still trying to outrun the long shadow of its predecessor, The Dark Knight - a film that not only set a new bar for what a comic book movie could be, but also blew away critics, snagged two Oscars, and excited fans to the tune of a $1 billion worldwide box office. TDK also changed the course of the industry by launching the “full IMAX” trend in filmmaking, and even coerced the Oscars to expand its Best Picture category to include more nominees (after Nolan’s film was snubbed).

In that sense, it’s almost impossible for The Dark Knight Rises to meet the level of expectation facing it – but has Chris Nolan managed to end his Batman legend on a note that will at once please fans and critics, tie off the story in proper fashion, and still deliver the biggest and best blockbuster movie experience of the year?

The answer to those looming questions is…sort of. The Dark Knight Rises does bring Nolan’s trilogy full-circle to a well-earned conclusion, and features a number of big blockbuster moments and will likely please many fans (and critics) – but it also stumbles in its execution of said conclusion, never really captures the sheer spectacle of films like The Dark Knight or Inception, and will ultimately leave some fans (and critics) cold with its very unique take on the Batman mythos.

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Christian Bale and Michael Caine in 'The Dark Knight Rises'

Combining elements of Batman comic book storylines like “Knightfall,” “Knight Quest,” “No Man’s Land,” and “The Dark Knight Returns,” we pick up eight years after the events of The Dark Knight and are re-introduced to a Gotham City where organized crime has been effectively curtailed – thanks to the strict mandates of the “Harvey Dent Act.” Of course, that progress has been made based on a lie about how Harvey Dent died – a lie that has nearly crushed the spirits of Commissioner Gordon (Gary Oldman) and Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale), the latter of whom has all but vanished into reclusion, as his “true” face, The Batman, is no longer needed (or wanted) on the streets.

However, the sudden appearance of a costumed thief (Anne Hathaway) heralds the rise of a great evil from deep within the bowels of Gotham: Bane (Tom Hardy), a ruthless and cunning terrorist who has come to the city to enact a plan that will take everything both Bruce Wayne and Batman have been fighting for, and twist it into a weapon used to destroy Gotham and the souls of its people. Bruce tries to don the cape and cowl again, but his time away has made both his spirit and body soft, while Bane is as hardened a villain as they come.

With foes at every turn, and his city under siege, Bruce Wayne must rediscover the strength within that made him Batman in the first place – and this time, he’ll need help from friends like Gordon, Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman), the unscrupulous Selina Kyle (Hathaway) and rookie cop John Blake (Joseph Gordon-Levitt), if he hopes to win the war against an army of criminals and mercenaries that Bane sets loose on the streets of Gotham.

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Director Chris Nolan has crafted his most visually sophisticated Batman movie yet, and from a directorial standpoint, The Dark Knight Rises is a pretty stunning achievement. From the set pieces, to the brilliant visual iconography, to the action sequences that seem to never stop and almost always thrill (at least somewhat), the film is just visually impressive. With a significant chunk of the footage having been shot using IMAX cameras, TDKR isn’t just visually impressive; it’s visually impressive on a massive scale. No question about it: pay for the IMAX upgrade, because without it, you’re only getting half of the experience this film offers.

Batman Begins was a standard superhero origin tale (as uniquely constructed by Chris Nolan); The Dark Knight was more of an intricate crime drama than a superhero flick. In terms of story, The Dark Knight Rises is very much a war drama – a fact that may be off-putting to some viewers looking for “the comic book movie experience.” Those who still (stubbornly) cling to the notion that the Nolan Bat-films should be more pulpy fun and less gritty drama will find that this finale delivers even more of what they disliked about TDK - the dark and gritty tone, the lengthy and convoluted story – this time without the balance of a villain (and performance) as stunningly charismatic and fun as Heath Ledger’s Joker.

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Bane (Tom Hardy) in 'The Dark Knight Rises'

As for the villain we do get: Tom Hardy’s Bane isn’t as lively as The Joker – and some fanboys will say not as complex or engaging as his comic book counterpart – but he does serve his purpose here, which is to function not as a unique character so much as an exaggerated vision of our worst fears about terrorism, embodied in a man. Hardy manages to bring the villain a bit of depth using just his eyes and body language as tools of expression – an impressive performance that may get largely overlooked due to the (sure to be pervasive) sentiment that Bane isn’t as “cool” a villain as someone like The Joker.

Anne Hathaway offers the biggest surprise performance, shedding her own doe-eyed persona to fully inhabit the character of Selina Kyle, a master thief who plays by her own set of often ambiguous morals. Selina (better known, but never referred to in the film as “Catwoman”) steals virtually every scene she’s in, thanks to a mix of sultry allure, sharp wit, and impressive physicality. Hathaway definitely leaves her own stamp on the character, delivering in both the action and dramatic moments required of her.

To his credit, Nolan’s “Catwoman” is easily his best-written and casted female character to date – an area where the acclaimed director has been continuously criticized. By comparison, Marion Cotillard’s Miranda Tate is pretty much a standard Nolan one-note  female character (despite some effort to develop her), and doesn’t prove to be as interesting as she could’ve been.

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Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway) in 'The Dark Knight Rises'

Joseph Gordon-Levitt steps up to offer a compelling performance as John Blake, an obscure Batman comic book character refashioned here as a young cop who struggles with the idea of working within the system of law and order, leading him to ally with Batman and Commissioner Gordon. Levitt has the tendency to seem boyish in a lot of his roles - Inception(500) Days of Summer - but in this film he  broadens his range as a mature tough-as-nails cop with a big heart and sharp mind. In the middle act of the film – where screenwriters Chris Nolan, Johnathan Nolan and David S. Goyer threaten to let things meander too far – Gordon-Levitt (with a helping hand from Hathaway) manages to carry the film, despite the fact that he’s wearing a simple police uniform, rather than some elaborate superhero costume.

The returning cast members are split down the middle in terms of what they’re given to do in this final chapter. Christian Bale gets to exercise much more acting muscle outside of the mask this time – and in many ways, Dark Knight Rises is a Bruce Wayne story, rather than a Batman story. Bale brings his character to a close with a nuanced and carefully-layered performance, and if there are any who still doubt that he is the best Bruce Wayne/Batman we’ve seen, it’ll be hard for them to prove that point once they’ve had a look at Dark Knight Rises.

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John Blake (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and Commissioner Gordon (Gary Oldman) in 'The Dark Knight Rises'

Michael Caine trades his usual comic relief schtick for a surprisingly earnest and emotional turn as Bruce Wayne’s butler/confidant/surrogate father, Alfred Pennyworth. Here we find an Alfred worn down by his own failure to spare Bruce the life of darkness and pain he’s fashioned for himself – and in that sense, Nolan and Caine delve deeper into the character than any other depiction – on the comic book page or screen – ever has. It’s a rewarding venture.

Gary Oldman (Commissioner Gordon) and Morgan Freeman (Lucius Fox) are given far less to do in this film, as their functions in the narrative – moral support and guidance for Bruce Wayne/Batman – are largely delegated to some of the new players (Levitt). Other character actors make appearances in some minor roles, but by and large, the ensemble works very well. Hans Zimmer’s music for this film only captures a fraction (albeit, a large one) of the greatness found in his Dark Knight score, while conversely, the photography and cinematography of longtime Nolan collaborator Wally Pfister are better than ever.

The Nolan Brothers and David S. Goyer’s script for Dark Knight Rises will probably be the biggest point of contention amongst fans. As stated, this is a war drama (with obvious shades of A Tale of Two Cities influence) but the story is able to incorporate real-world socio-political subtext into its narrative, without leaning on it too heavily. This is both a good and bad thing, since that timely subtext provides substance to go along with this pulpy world of superhero fantasy – but ultimately, the filmmakers decide to elevate the pulp over other food for thought, negating much of what that rich subtext tries to introduce.

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Batman and Bane in 'The Dark Knight Rises'

Of the three lengthy acts in the film, Act 1 is something of a rushed affair (handled with the usual Nolan break-neck-speed editing techniques), while Act 2 is a montage of events that push the new characters center stage, while the established primary characters are relegated to the background (a transition that, again, will leave some fans cold). Act 3 of The Dark Knight Rises brings things to an end in spectacular fashion, with big blockbuster set pieces and a poignant, rousing, conclusion that will leave fans celebrating the character so many of them have loved or been inspired by.

While Nolan’s Batman finale isn’t perfect, and may not be the greatest installment of the trilogy, it does manage to solidify this three-part tale of the Batman legend as one of the best ever told – in any medium – while also delivering (one of) the best blockbuster movie experiences of the summer.

The Dark Knight Rises is now playing in theaters everywhere. It is rated PG-13 for intense sequences of violence and action, some sensuality and language.

For an in-depth discussion of the film by the Screen Rant team check out our Dark Knight Rises episode of the SR Underground podcast.

Please Do Not discuss Dark Knight Rises SPOILERS here! For discussion of the film, head over to our Dark Knight Rises SPOILER DISCUSSION page. For the “True IMAX” Experience, check out this list of 70mm IMAX Theaters.

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  1. Ok two more details I can’t get over. First I want to reiterate for the batfans out there that I did like BB and TDK a lot. I have problems with TDKR.

    First. Again that plane hijack scene. The blood thing. Bane, in a very lengthy scene, draws blood from the scientist guy. Actually inserts an IV needle into his arm while the plane is inverted and everyone is precariously clinging to the seats of the plane. Have you ever tried to find a vein in someone’s arm with an IV needle? How about someone who is not cooperating with the procedure……?!?! All this (which had to be explained to me) is a setup for the brief reappearance of the scientist on the decimated football field, so the authorities would believe the scientist was dead because of the DNA from the plane crash, due to this awkwardly drawn blood from the hijacking scene. The payoff of this convoluted far fetched crapfest is the authorities being briefly confused about the living presence of the scientist on the football field for ten seconds before Bane breaks his neck. IMHO this is the dumbest and most convoluted plot complication in the history of movies.

    Second. Christopher Nolen’s documented reference to the classic novel a Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens. CN in an interview, related how his brother, who wrote the script, used elements from the Dickens classic for TDKR. I read A Tale of Two Cities a long time ago and I recently dug out my old copy of it and refreshed my memory of this classic work. I have difficulties finding any common ground between ATOTC and TDKR. None of the characters from Dickens’ novel match up. The plot doesn’t match up at all. The only commonality I could find is the theme regarding revolutionary movements…… the poor rebelling against the rich and taking it too far. The French Revolution in other words. What I’m saying is, connecting TDKR to the classic novel by Dickens is a real stretch.

    • your over analyzing things

      • So. No thinking about my movie going experience allowed. And definitely shut up about any comments I might make about TDKR unless it’s either “epic” or “awesome.”

        I did give the movie a 3.5 out of 5 stars. It wasn’t bad. But it wasn’t great either. Or epic…… or awesome.

        I think in time, even the hardcore Nolenites will realize that this movie is not that good.

        • lotto209 is right dude, you are overanalyzing. Talk about nitpicking. It’s guys like you that don’t know how to just sit back and enjoy the ride. I’m no “Nolanite” nor am I a fanboy, but I must say I enjoyed this film even more than I TDK.

          It sounds like everyone that’s been hyping this film up were expecting it to be the second coming or something. Instead you got a great film and all you do is b*tch, b*tch, b*tch, about things that don’t matter because its not living up to what you imagined it would be. I mean, seriously your b*tching that it doesn’t share much similarities to A Tale of Two Cities….

          Sorry, I don’t mean to be rude. I respect your opinion, but this is just me expressing mine.

          • That’s fine. Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine. You liked the movie more than I did. I’m alright with that.

            Ok?

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          • And FYI – I didn’t originate the idea that TDKR had anything to do with A Tale of Two Cities. Christopher Nolen revealed that during an interview. I read that book. I saw the movie. I commented on the tenuous nature of that connection here on Screen Rant.

            I disagree with Christopher Nolen.

            Ok?

            • @Hesis.

              I also think you’re overanalyzing things a bit. I didn’t buy the blood thing either or found it a bit unnecessary, but I think that the opening scene is so mind-blowing that you totally forgive that. If you notice, Nolan sometimes puts these sort of nuances in his movies just to keep your attention, to keep you interested. This also kind of happens in TDK. In perspective, that robbery scene wasn’t kind of necessary, was it?

          • Heutis is totally right in his critique of this movie. Most films released are garbage so when a Chris Nolan comes along with a string of incredible films, then to top it off elevates the superhero genre with two stellar, 4 star Batman movies, One of them an almost Best Picture nominee, it’s totally justified to point out why the last film didn’t work as well. Then again today’s audiences elevated Adam Sandler into being one of the most powerful people in Hollywood so I understand why most people who loved TDKR blindly shout: “C’mon it was Cool! Shut up!”

            • Jack,

              I was agreeing with you until…You brought in Adam Sandler to compare with Nolan and his movies…There…you lost your credibility and I stopped reading right there. That was a nice joke, indeed.

      • Yea, over analyzing. ITs true but, it is a fiction. What about a man in a bat suit. Is this possible? :)

    • That one russiaN scientist was the only person who had figured out how to turn wayne enterprise’s new power source into a weapon. They wanted everyone to think he was dead. Also he is the one that armed the core under the city, thats why they needed him…so he didnt just show up on the football field…after he armed the core bane no longer had a need for him and killed him.

      • ***Spoiler Response***

        Strangely though Bane never needed him at all as he was playing a bluff about the trigger mechanism and could have just bluffed the arming as well. They seemed to miss something in regards to our military and its’ response to nuclear wmd’s in an American city; they have one and it is strike first. Our government would give it possibly 24 hours to determine by satellite all the radiation signatures that have spiked and would then launch air strikes on each city containing an elevated spike. Any detonation is already factored in and loss of life is expected the point is to stop any continuance of threats and lock down the country while they prepare an external response. So if you are in a city where this happens you need to be out within 24 hours or you are dead either way.

    • The Joker’s plan was also convoluted too. Actually, tons of plans that are meant to achieve ‘greater’ things are complicated.

    • I think your right on the Money there. I question the wisdom of taking Dickensian Themes into the plot at all when they weren’t present in the rest of the trilogy. The Themes in TDKR did a complete 180 from BB and TDK. The Nolan’s story didn’t come full circle as much as go backwards.

      I also have to mention that I vehemently disliked Selina Kyle. I am picky about the character but was prepared to be pleasantly surprised. I was not! The Nolan’s Selina Kyle could be any street hardened runaway, and doesn’t deserve the name. That being said Hathaway did do her level best to bring Kyle to life and effectively smash her Hollywood Stereotype. Her performance would have been helped if Bale hadn’t phoned half his scenes. Pure hatred between the bat and the cat would have been preferable to the utter lack of sexual tension displayed between Wayne and Kyle or Wayne and Tate.

      The complete lack of Continuity between the themes and tone of BB+TDK and TDKR was the real letdown for me. The Cinematography may have been technically skillful but it was all to bright and lacked grit. All through the second act I was wondering why Bruce Wayne could see for more than 3 feet ahead of himself (hope that’s not a spoiler I tried to leave out details). Also the aerial shots of Gotham didn’t match from the previous movies! They completely disengaged me from the story. All in all I would have enjoyed this movie if it was a stand alone war story but as a conclusion to a Batman trilogy I feel robbed.

      • Evans, I agree with you about Selina Kyle. It seems like everything I’ve read about her has been how great Anne Hathaway was. I disagree. It may not be her fault, but I found Selina Kyle to be cheesy and out of place. And to say that there was a lack of sexual tension between Selina and Batman is the understatement of the year. She was nothing more than a throw-in character, who the more I think about it, whose presence in the movie makes less sense the more I think back about it.

        I do disagree with the notion that the revolutionary concept is contrary to the first two films in the series, since the point was to allow Gotham to destroy itself, which is the whole idea behind the League of Shadows. It does seem absurdly redundant however, considering that the League had supposedly attempted to use economics as a means to bring about Gotham’s downfall previously, as mentioned in Batman Begins. However, the revolution wasn’t the ultimate planned fate for Gotham anyway, so in a way, it is a moot point anyway.

        I’m not sure whether or not I agree regarding the tone of the film. My thought on it, is that this film takes place far more during the day, which in large part could be, because of the false sense of security Gotham has enjoyed over the past 8 years and the sheer audacity of a terrorist to strike when everyone is most likely to be watching. Of course. And this review mentions the fact that this film has the feel of being more a movie about Bruce Wayne than Batman.

        I do agree 100% that the shots of the Gotham cityscape were not only outside of the continuity of the series, but just felt awkward in general, and were definitely offputting.

        I also agree that the story itself never really feels like it is concluding a series, except that Christopher Nolan wraps everything up so neatly at the end. In fact, annoyingly so. The movie itself was not the conlusion to Batman’s or Bruce Wayne’s story, so much as Christopher Nolan decided it was the end and added the end sequences in to remind us.

        • By tone of the lighting I mostly mean the scenes in the prison of darkness and others that took place underground were nearly as bright as the ones set on the street during the day, there was so little contrast compared to the first 2 films.
          I’ll have to revisit the first 2 movies to get a handle on the continuity of the themes about revolution among other things. Come to think of it there is a strong current about personal vengeance in TDKR that’s pretty consistent with BB + TDK.

    • @Heustis
      I for one loved TDKR, even more then TDK and even I realize that there were a far share of plot holes in TDKR, enough to warrant some kind of reply by the films director if not a combination of the director, the writer ad the rest of the creatice team.

      You raise valid points with the airplane sceene and any criticisms of those are shallow. You were very clear in that you were raising questions about obvious holes in the story and not just ranting against the film as some folks have done already.

      FYI – To alll the THE DARK KNIGHT worshippers: I do realize that its close to being sacreligous to even imply let alone verbally state that THE DARK KNIGHT is in any way not superior to the rest of the trilogy but thats how I rank the 3 films.

    • A Tale of Two cities had a large influence. Here is an some explanation of why: One of the themes was how Dickens did not approve about the violence that was carried out by the revolutionaries against the aristocracies. This is somewhat portrayed in the film, especially with one scene with Catwoman. But Dickens paints a bigger moral picture which is basically the means do not justify the ends. Although Gordon and Batman intended well (with the lie about Harvey), their method was a lie. Bane exposed this lie, causing more damage than what the truth possibly ever could. So it sticks with a theme of heroism and justice and the idea that Batman and Gordon were just wrong.

    • Heustis,

      (“The plot doesn’t match up at all.”)
      I guess you mistakenly expected a movie based on the screen-play of ATOTC ??!! No then, it was supposed to be a Batman movie.

    • I think that’s fine, analyzing all of this. And I don’t think it’s over-analysis at all, especially 1. While discussing a Nolan film 2. On a thread talking about the depth of the movie 3. AT A MOVIE ANALYSIS WEBSITE. Some people like to think a little deeper and that shouldn’t be a problem. Now for my actual responses…

      As far as Bane’s hijacking thing. It can be a character commentary: It shows just how much Bane is willing to do for his goals; Machiavellian as far as input of efforts. He wanted the DNA left there, so he made it happen. He NEEDED it there, actually; not for the football scene, but so that the authorities wouldn’t search for him while Bane used him to tinker with the bomb.

      But hey for the vein, although the plane and situation may have made it harder, the plane being inverted has nothing to do with it; it’s still level because of gravity and the relative stability – it’s only swinging on one plane (front-to-back), and not too turbulent. Also, the guy is extremely distressed so his veins would likely be showing up more, making an easier target.

      I read ATOTC a while ago, and I liked the telling of a story of obscurity within a historical, iconic event, as well as the tragic romanticism against the rebellions. But it was a while ago and I also have a hard time trying to remember how the two-cities-two-social classes-thing would fit in there (from the characters’ perspective…maybe Selina and Bruce [not even Catwoman and Batman] might work, even though they effectively met in the middle…I’ll break it down at the end of this). I’m big on analysis of literature and/to other mediums, but I’d honestly have to re-read it to effectively pick things out. (not going to happen too soon – I liked the story but honestly the literature wordings of the time was pretty dry).

      Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne:

      -Small comment that he liked her place – they didn’t reveal the location, but from comics and cartoons, isn’t it like in the slums of Gotham? Yet he liked it for its comfort over luxury, not the wealth. Kind of like the “Rosebud” of Gotham. But the point is really made when the result of Bane’s efforts have destroyed her place, showing that even that “storm” that Bane and Selina stood for, does not spare them, nor have any beauty for them. This is ironic for Bane-Selina ‘relationship’ (i.e. the cause of the underbelly of the social class) and creates an unexpected source of reconciliation between Wayne and Selina. At most this can be similar to the bridge between classes that was present with…Sydney Carter, I think? And the girl.

      -It might also work if you consider the two love interests to be Batman and Bruce Wayne, respectively. One must be sacrificed so the other can escape, survive and love. But again, that would be a stretch.

      -Actually it’s pretty pointless to look for more ATOTC connections right now. I’m not a fan of the rumored connections either.

      Finally, TDKR was TOTALLY epic! The story, the grandeur, the anticipation and delivery. Awesome, I don’t know; Avengers was awesome, not quite so epic (for the thinking mind) as TDKR. But this movie definitely qualifies for most people’s definition of ‘epic’ for sure.

  2. It does have a great ending but soem things lie untold like is Bane dead he got shot but it would have been better if Batman had removed the his mask. Tali’s reveal is a little rushed but there are pointers throughout. all this still makes for a great film

    • Talea’s reveal is completely predictable they should have made it sooner so the character had time to develop more (she actually had potential).

      • I must be a dumb moviegoer, because I didn’t see it coming at all. Was a very welcome plot twist for me, and I think it came at a perfect time. I do agree it would have been nice to have had her character develop more.

        • I didn’t either. Actually, the way they revealed her was the best, because there were all these rumors of her being Thalia Al Gul on the net and by the time she stabs Batman you’re convinced that she isn’t her and then all of the sudden the s*** goes down. I didn’t see that wist coming in miles!

      • Evans,

        !!!!SPOILER-SPOILER-SPOILER!!!!
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        I agree with the predictability of Talia’s revealing. I had anyway entered the movie-halls wondering whether is Talia is present, is NOT present, is present, is NOT pre… BUT…when they sleep together…I knew…

  3. What if TDKR had the fight choreography of The Raid: Redemption? Imagine the two big fight scenes between Batman and Bane…….!

    • Heustis,

      Man don’t get me started. That would have made it a 4 for me because I would have had something to help wash taste the plot holes left in my mouth. I would have been able to go “man, did you see that?!”
      I think the default fight choreographers should be from Hong Kong. Hollywood is lazy. The next Bourne flick is going to have a lot of Free Running, which will elevate the stunts above the previous ones action wise.
      I need to slap myself for leaving out all the sweet fights from the “Transporter” series.. especially the first one.

      • I am very glad to see that I am not the only one was bothered by the plot holes. The biggest one for me, was Bane threatening Gotham with the bomb, but just letting it degrade until blowing up anyhow. What exactly was his point?

        If his point was anarchy, he’d already made that point.

        If his point was destroying the city, why didn’t he just blow the bomb the instant he got it?

        It was a huge hole for me. The only real reason they did it this way is Nolan needed a ticking clock for Batman. Nothing else stands up to any examination.

        I think most people will overlook the plot holes because there was so much going on, who could keep track of it all? I was keeping track. Nolan’s previous films trained me to watch for all the details. You never know which ones are going to be important.

        For the first time, Nolan disappointed me. A lot of his details in TDKR simply didn’t matter. Or worse, didn’t make any sense.

        • Yep. I’m with you James. Every point you made is right on.

          I DID enjoy BB and I did thoroughly enjoy TDK….. but TDKR? It was adequate….. Just barely.

        • Do criminals really need a said goal to do anything? Do they really have any rationalization for their actions?

          • Yes. Criminals need to have a motivation. Absolutely.

            At the very least, it has to make sense when we see it in a movie like this.

            Nolan has trained his viewers to pay attention to details and motivations. I was watching for details and motivations. All his past films require you to do some sleuthing on the way. So I was paying attention.

            If this wasn’t a Nolan film, I might not have been paying attention to things like that. In “Highlander” I didn’t care why the Kurgan wanted to destroy the world and rule in darkness. It wasn’t a cerebral movie.

            Nolan makes cerebral films. I was watching a Nolan film. What I got was sub par. The dots did not connect.

            I still liked it as a movie. It was well shot, well acted, and the action was good. But I didn’t think it was great. Had Nolan closed those plot holes, and paid attention to character motivations, it would have elevated this movie. As it sits, I think the movie could have benefited from another round of editing.

        • “There can be no true despair without hope”.

          Bane is giving the people of Gotham, and everyone watching events from beyond the blown up bridges of Gotham, a false sense of hope. Everyone thinks that by playing by Bane’s rules, they can prevent Gotham’s destruction. Bane then proceeds to watch the citizens of Gotham live in despair, as they live in anarchy, with the hope that they can be spared.

          This is analogous to Bane’s experience in prison. The inmates had hope of escape, but lived in despair as they watched everyone (well, almost everyone), who attempted the climb to freedom, fail.

          • This can be added to my points as well. This is how Bane wanted to break Gotham’s soul. It’s how Bane wanted to break Bruce’s as well. This is why Bruce’s life is spared. Part of the torture of his soul is to show him the demise of the city he so strongly protected. He also gave Bruce the same hope he (Bane) had when he was in the pit. Bane (and Talia) wanted to punish and break Gotham before they destroyed it.

          • That’s all well and good, but they didn’t show any of that in the movie. The “people of Gotham” were barely in the movie.

            • did this really need to be spelled out for you in the movie? The idea was expanded on plenty. Everyone explicitly obeyed Bane, including America’s government, adhering to supply systems, the new court “system,” etc. People had hope inside and outside the city that they could wear it out and eventually survive. There is your hope, and the longer they fail to escape from the situation, the more the slip into despair. It’s a simple concept, man.

        • “It was a huge hole for me. The only real reason they did it this way is Nolan needed a ticking clock for Batman. Nothing else stands up to any examination.”

          You missed plenty if you don’t see why. I’ve been reading a lot about people and their complaints about plot holes and I’ve come to the conclusion that people need to have things pointed out to them or else they won’t pick it up. I’m not sure how much I can explain because this isn’t the place for spoilers, but it all has to do with hope. Bane told Bruce that without hope, one cannot know true anguish. So by giving the people of Gotham hope, Bruce Wayne would truly be able to see how badly he failed. If you want me to explain more I will, but I think you can put two and two together.

        • The entire reason Bane put the city into anarchy was to “break” Bruce Wayne’s soul. He says so in the cell in the pit. Bruce ended Ras’ life and thwarted the League of Shadows plot in Begins. Bane made it clear he was following the path of the League of Shadow’s plans to destroy Gotham early on. That was his motivation the whole movie. What was his motivation for following the League of Shadows even though he was excommunicated? It was revealed in the end that it was his shared motivation with Talia, who he was working with the whole time. He was excommunicated for reminding Ras of the terrible things that happened, not because he wasn’t a fit for the League. His ideas fit with the League since he was saved and trained by them… It makes sense and is pretty apparent in the movie. I’ve watched the movie 3 times now, and I knew it after the first. It was made obvious in the pit.

          Do you have any other plot holes I could explain for you? I have only heard one that could not be explained easily, and that was Gordon knowing Bane’s name even though it wasn’t mentioned in the sewers… The only explanation of that is that he already had prior knowledge of Bane somehow. Really, it doesn’t matter seeing as it’s a minor detail.

          Any other things I could explain for you?

        • Actually there is a qoute from the movie that explaines this :D

          I don’t have the exact qoute but at some point Bane says that just killing Batman wouldn’t be enough punishment for betraying the Leage of Shadows. Therefor he wants to build up Gothams hope(false hope as Batman knows) and then break it down to completly break Batmans will. Then Batman will have Banes primision to die!!

          so it’s all to torture Batman

          Btw. I say Batman because that’s one of the things Nolans Bat-movies have in common with the actual Batman universe. The main character is Batman and the alter-ego is Bruce Wayne. IE he is not hiding in a batcostume, but in a very expencive suit he IS the crimefighting ideal not the rich playboy like he says to Rachel in Batman Begins. thats why it makes sense for another persone to become batman when Bruce Wayne nolonger can fight crime, batman just findes another persone for his alter-ego…

          sorry for my english gramma i’m Danish:D

          • and everything after the btw is just me ranting on batman sry:D

        • “There can never be true despair without hope”, he said.

          That was why. He didn’t want Gotham to have a clean, quick or in any way dignified death. He wanted them to have hope, then break their hope, then chaos, then to die crying and killing each other in a whole mess of ugliness. And he waned Batman to watch all of this, before he killed him as well.

  4. You dont see any connection!! really???? When the french dragged the rich out of their homes and put them on trial with their sentence already decided before they were even in the make shift courts. The rich governing the poor with an iron fist then having the poor revolt and start massacring the rich????? You see no connection??? Hell even the score that was littered with chanting can be compared to the way the french would all chant and sing when getting ready to send the upper class to their death

    • Beat me to it.

    • Have you read A Tale of Two Cities?

      The two cities are Paris and London. The main plot revolves around two men who look alike. Both in love with the same women. One gets married to this woman, but then ends up in French prison on death row. The other guy, who looks very similar, arranges to take his place in prison. He loves this woman so much that he wants her to be happy with the man she really loves (not him.) Then he is guillotined.

      Dickens made the point of comparing the terrible condition of the poor in London to the poor in Paris. A warning to the rich Londoners that the massive unrest in France, that caused all those rich elite deaths during the French Revolution, could happen in England too.

      How much of this plot resonates in The Dark Knight Rises? …….. tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock……….DING!

      Answer? Not much. Nolen referenced Dickens book only in the scenes with the Scarecrow offhandedly condemning the rich of Gotham City to death. I don’t think the Nolen brothers read the Dickens novel very carefully…. or didn’t understand it…… OR the whole Tale of Two Cites reference in that interview was a Red Herring.

      You decide.

      • The theme of social injustice was timely, but seemed to me, oddly misplaced in this film. Look back to Batman Begins. Ra’s Al Goul’s plan was to shock the world into repairing its ills. He meant to bring down the corrupt system, so in the end, given an example of a failed system, a utopia could arise from the ashes.

        Bane’s plan seemed to be to bring down the wealthy and powerful to… What? Bring about communism? How was his plan supposed to ultimately work out?

        It had nothing to do with Dickens’ novel. It had more to do with Occupy Wall Street, but without any direction, goal, or statement.

        • Occupy Wall Street happened after the movie was written… Just saying. Read about Bane’s motivations in my other posts. He was “fulfilling Ras al Goul’s destiny!”

      • @ Heustis,

        You know the saying “Don’t confuse me with facts. My mind is made up!”

      • well there is a parallel there between the two alike men and Wayne and young Blake, if you think of Gotham as the city. If Blake had flown the copter at the end that might have worked but it’s a stretch.

  5. Nice Review, check out mine
    http://tantrictech.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-dark-knight-rises-review.html

  6. Saw it and loved it. Was everything this Batman fan wanted.

    Minor Spoiler:

    Bruce Wayne’s story actually had an ending. 100 years from now Batman will still be fighting crime in comics, but in this version there was an ending, an excellent ending I might add.

    Loved the story and the fight sequences.

    In comparison to The Dark Knight, I thought this movie had less plot holes, if you think otherwise I would love to hear your insight.

    I’m happy and saw this in imax twice and once on a conventional screen.

    • Tim,

      I see what you did there. I’ll buy that for a dollar.

    • Wait…is there something I’m missing here? Sarcasm or something?

      • What did I do?

      • Nope,

        I like the perspective of “this” batman having an ending is all.
        “I’ll buy that for a dollar” google that because it’s probably way, way before your time. You’ll get the meaning then.

  7. Disappointed. I had doubts when I heard Anne as catwoman and the baine character, but gave Nolan credit for the villains he has transformed so far. Also when I read it was 8 years later. What? I feel they should have stopped with the dark knight you just can’t top that, but this leaves a bad taste.

    The beginning was a silly, James Bond, at best. The Baines character in the comics was stupid, his version of the hulk steroided up?! I know TDK made tons of money, but I think this movie is an example of where the studio giving you a blank check should be over looked.

    Anne Hathaway, her best talents are her nude scenes in movies, lets be honest (do you ever listen to what she says, or just wait for her to get on a trampoline, Nolan’s answer to Johansson’s black widow?!)

    My problem with the series is 1, I loved 1 and 2, but the 1st one Gotham was run down poor, kids eating out of dumpsters, drinking bath water, then TDK the city has skyscrapers marble floors, the city really changed from 1 to 2. TDK and it may be debated, in my opinion, was about terrorism, a statement in today’s times (miss you Heath!) TDKR I thought was going to be a statement about rich and poor, tying in events like occupy wall street (which crazily, I thought maybe the studio was secretly behind to tie into the movie) But it so did not deliver on that.

    I felt like the characters we loved in the last 2 just phoned it in. They weren’t given anything worth acting and the bat mobile was cool in 1 and 2, but bat planes starts getting silly, but call me crazy the extent of what happens in the new one is beyond a costumed hero. While in TDK, even though the scale it got to, you still felt it was between Batman and the Joker the city just got in the middle, or the way.

    I just felt so bad watching this. The money they spent was fin nominal, but silly, they had no where to go and it showed. I felt with Nolan’s writing and directing tying it up maybe where Batman is in Arkem would have been great, but no we get this.

    Apparently superhero movies just can’t do 3 good ones. This was as bad as Iron Man 2, which they wrote while filming. To much money not enough substance, but I’m sure Mr. Noland and the studio doesn’t care what we think money is made. It was like his inception, which I loved, but the 40 min action scene when they were at the snow cabin thing, was like why? it was a dream world an extra hour to the movie that was on a intellectual level.

    I think this movie, the iron man’s the superman’s the studio should learn from and say come up with a story for 5 films if do well we’ll shoot’em if not no foul, but waiting till one is done, or worse till start filming to come up with a story.

    On the plus side I thought Joseph Gordon-Levitt was fantastic. I enjoy his acting.

    • I too like JGL as an actor, and he did get well with his role. My broblem was with his character of John Blake.

      John Blake did not need to be in this movie. His role could have been filled by Oldman’s Commissioner Gordon. The character of Blake was supposed be a fan service, but they spent too much time concealing that fact. He never fills the role he is supposed to inhabit. When the fan service is revealed, It only served to ruin what came before.

      If Nolan wanted this character in the film, he should have been up front about it, rather than try to M.Knight Shamalan it in at the end. As it was, the character didn’t need to be there, and was just filling space and passing time, that could have been better used in this movie.

      • Agreed. This movie was full of characters that did not need to be there

      • The reason Blake was in the movie was to act as Batman’s “sidekick.” Gordon was never that, and Gordon would never take up the mantle so Bruce could move on. Blake’s first name reveal itself was a fan service. The character of Blake was in itself a vital part of the tonality of the film and its themes and plot as well. Gordon gets put out of commission, gives Blake some advice, then Blake learns the strings that hold the system down. He wants to be above that. That’s why he takes up the mantle to become the next Batman (or whatever your interpretation is). It has everything to do with Bruce being able to move on. It has everything to do with the SYMBOL that is Batman and how that symbol will live on with “Robin” John Blake.

        The Robin name drop was out of respect for the character himself. It was a fan service. John Blake was ABSOLUTELY necessary for this film to say what the Nolans and Goyer wanted to say.

    • “The Baines character in the comics was stupid, his version of the hulk steroided up?!”

      I stopped reading after this. Bane was incredibly intelligent in the comics. He figured out who Batman was using his smarts. Then he proceeded to break the bat INSIDE the batcave.

      • Also Banes story has lots of juicy themes about addiction and the acquisition of power. The Bane in TDKR could have been filled by anyone as he only served to distract from Talea.

        • He didn’t distract from her, he worked with her. Bane was as much a part of the plan as Talea was. He was the face of the force that took the city. He was the power behind Talea. Talea was simply a finesse player in the plan. She snaked her way in and hit Bruce where it hurt the most. She was a crucial part of the plan to acquire the position of the reactor and the means to flood it and use it. She got on the inside of the Wayne board and the trust of Bruce Wayne himself. Bane was the man who inspired everyone to follow. He inspired the inmates to become revolutionaries. HE broke Batman’s back. Bane had a major purpose. So did Talea. Maybe you should read into these things a little more…

          • I don’t mean to say that the role Bane’s Character played in the plot wasn’t important just that Nolan’s version of Bane was so divorced from the comic character that Bane could have been anyone. Bane could have been replaced in the story by any number of other villains because the Character was so loosely tied to the plot themes.
            I don’t think Talea is “just a finess player in the plan”. It she is the power behind Bane,the hidden boss, everything Bane does is because of his love for Talea. Now I know that sounds cheese but I I’m not actually a diehard romantic. I’m basing that conclusion on the scene in the courthouse where Talea is revealed, on what was said and on the fantastic acting+chemistry generated between Talea and Bane. I think it is the best seen of the movie and the only one where the acting impressed me.

            • It’s a mix I think. He was trained in the League of Shadows as well. He shared similar views. Talea likely put together the plan (seeing as she finally got over her problem with her father when Bruce let him die). Bane, being both a zealot of the League of Shadow’s ideals and in love with Talea, surely had an easy decision to lead this plan with Talea.

              Bane was chosen because he is intimidating, hugely intimidating. That voice was amazing! He was also chosen for the story line. Breaking Batman’s back was iconic in the comics and it was iconic in the movie. There were good reasons to choose Bane. Who would YOU have chosen to take his place that would still give a similar impression as Bane?

              I also like that you were impressed by the acting in that scene, because it WAS strong.

  8. “And you think your money give you….POWER…over me?”

    So far, my favorite line of the movie.

  9. TDKR is pretty good, but very uneven. It’s visually captivating but the story is convoluted. Some of the performances are outstanding (Bale, Caine and Hardy in particular) but other actors are mostly wasted (Oldman and Freeman). BTW, I’m not blown away by Hathaway’s work like everyone else seems to be. The third act builds upon some important ideals but does so through a slew of plotholes. I enjoyed it, but for me it’s far behind its predecessors in the trilogy.

    • I think this is one of Caine’s worst performances. It was cringe-worthy, IMHO. He wasn’t helped by the script, so I’ll give him that. His scenes followed the same formula: b**** at Bruce, then turn and walk away. Rinse. Repeat.

  10. If these have already been mentioned then I apolagize for the spam.

    HOW DID BATMAN ESCAPE THE BOMB
    +
    HOW WAS FOX ABLE TO EXAMINE THE BAT WHEN IT WAS DESTROYED IN THE EXPLOSION

    I thought these were both major holes in the story but then I read a brilliant post (on another siet) that addressed these.

    The BAT and BATMAN both escaped the bomb blast and thats why we see both afterwards. HOW? When we are shown Batman in the BAT and seeing that 5 seconds is left on the clock we assume he still is carrying the bomb but theres nothing to quantify that other then our assumption that hes in there. I’ve gon eback and watched the film twice to look for specific scenes to verify a few things and this was one.

    SCENE: The Bat is flying oout of the city and hoes past the bridge where Blake and the bus with the ids are and the bimb is attached. The camera switches to Batman inside the Bat and he has a deep thought kind of look in his face like hes trying to make some very important decisison. The camer then pans out over the ocean presumably from inside the BAt from where Batman would be sitting. Next we see the count down on the bomb and its like 5 seconds to go. At no point in the above do we see the bomb and the BAT together after the Bat is showning going over the Birdge and out to sea.

    Batman could have gone up high and fast and then released the cable to pitch the bomb forward and out as it dropped and then flew the Bat as fast and hard as he could away from the explosion.

    PROBLEM 1: Why then have the sceen with Fox and the Wayne techs which point out that the Remote Pilot bug had been fixed by Bruce Wayne?

    ANSWER: To provide additional ddetails that point to Bruce Wayne/Batman having escaped and did not die in the explosion. These do seem to be a little bit in conflict but I think thats more of a case of an error in wirting that was not captured in time to correct it. Keep in mind that there is unseen footage that hit the floor ini the diting room, most of which we will never see. Theres no telling what got cut that would have plugged this hole and many others in the film.

    • That’s a good attempt to fill those gaping wholes but hears another; when you come down to it a radio active fusion device should have vaporised the city even from that distance. Also, that back from the dead bit turned what should have been a poignant sacrifice into a selfish escape from making the hard choices. Strange when TDK was all about being able to make the hard choices

      • OK the radioactive fusion device MAY have had some fallout to the city. It all depends on how far out the explosion is… That nuclear cloud (which should be extremely large) was WAY out in the distance. It’s feasible that little to no fallout reached Gotham…

        As for a “selfish escape,” you would rather Batman just allow himself to die when he had a way to get out while still saving Gotham from the bomb…? That’s just stupid… To quote the Avengers: Captain America – “You’re not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.” Tony Stark – “I think I would just cut the wire.” (yes I’m quoting the Avengers to defend Batman, it still works) Batman found a work-around like Tony Stark. Bruce Wayne has shown himself to be brilliant at finding a way out of situations. Why would he stop now?

        • I would rather Batman die then have the Nolan’s right in a contrived plot twist right out of Reichenbach Falls so Bruce Wayne can pretend to die.

          • Well Bruce Wayne also pretends to die at the end of The Dark Knight Returns and I guess you could put R.I.P. in that category as well.

            • The difference is that in The Dark Knight Returns, he fakes his death to continue fighting crime through his “army” while not having to worry about being harassed by the government, not so he could retire with Catwoman and live off her STOLEN money.

          • I’m sorry that you can’t get past Bruce living… It’s the way the Nolans and Goyer wanted it. It has everything to do with the tone they wanted to end on and the message of heroism they wanted to give. Just because Bruce Wayne gave nearly EVERYTHING to be the hero Gotham needed and deserved, doesn’t mean he has to die to drive the point home. It’s a superhero movie, give them a break man.

    • To answer you with SPOILER WARNING;

      In the movie there are several instances where Fox talks about the auto-pilot system in the Bat. The Batman tank-car has inside it a motorcycle that ejects so I would fathom the Bat has something similar.

    • How was ANYONE going to escape? maybe I missed it, but the bad guys were going to be vaporized along with everyone else. I didn’t get the impression that Talia or Bane were the suicidal type.

  11. While Nolan’s Batman films are far better than any of the characters other previous cinematic incarnations, lets be honest here for any of us who’ve grown up on the source material itself. We’ve never really seen “the Batman” adequately translated to the big screen to our diehard satisfaction! They’ve either been close approximations, pale imitations, or just outright lame! I mean c’mon…Michael Keaton as the Batman?? Seriously? Then there was Val Kilmer followed by George Clooney’s cinematic abortion of the character. Nolan has come the closest, but he wasn’t the Frank Miller the big screen needs to appropriately adapt this character! I shudder to think of what we’re in for with Man Of Steel!

    • Shudder? You don’t want something well made as a FILM? Sure, it’s an interpretation of Batman and it isn’t exact. Superman most likely will be the same way. Movies usually change some things. These aren’t just summer blockbusters though, these movies are the heart of modern cinema. They are full of themes, ideas, and complex, engaging plots. How could you shudder at the thought of a complex, engaging Superman that is close to the source material and makes you think from its intellectual themes and ideas? I, for one, am looking forward to it!

      • Um..wasn’t the last Supes movie “complex and engaging”.. endearing, different and intelligent?

    • You hit the bulls-eye on that one my friend, agree

  12. boy was i wrong. my initial impression was that the movie was ok. but i was wrong. after seeing it a second time i realized just how much i missed. this is such a heavily poltted movie you really have to pay close atention to it.

    if you didn’t like it the first time. check it out a second time and you’ll rating will go up a couple notches.

    i thik my previous review was 3 out of 5.

    no!!!! i was dead wrong. this is one of the best movies ever made.

    5 out of 5

    • The same exact thing happened to me. I’ve seen it 3 times and I still feel like I have to see it again to fully understand the themes and ideas behind it! Such a great movie!

      Most every plot hole people named is because the person wasn’t paying enough attention. Same with character motivations and themes. It’s so complex, it’s amazing!

      • Since you’ve solved so many of these theme and plot holes on second viewing do you think you could tell us what we missed?

        • Well, everyone has missed different things. What would you like me to explain? I would be happy to go in depth on anything you saw as a “plot hole.”

  13. Wow, reading these extremely over-analyzing comment reviews just baffles me. For people who put every concept and character motive in the film under a microscope, those of you who saw all these “plot holes,” you did not pay attention to the movie at all. Maybe you went in with the mindset to compare it to The Dark Knight or maybe you just wanna troll superhero movies, I don’t know, don’t care; but it you want to over-analyze this movie, pay attention when you watch it, otherwise you just look overly pretentious and lazy in your personal review of what is a pretty solid movie that holds it’s own in the Nolan Trilogy.

    • What are comment threads, like screenRANT, for but to allow nerds to endlessly “over-analyse” their favorite topics with people who will be just as interested and obsessively analytical as themselves? When you can prove a Nolan film isn’t complex enough to warrant at least this level of analysis I’ll eat my tongue.

  14. I saw this movie the other day. It’s almost as if the last 2 batman movies were more about the villains than batman himself. why did he go into hiatus and confine himself to his room. With what money was he in france sipping on a latte if he was broke.

    • Spoiler….

      Fox said they may be able to prove what had happened was fraud in the longterm, “but for now” Wayne was broke.

      Maybe they got Wayne’s money back and Alfred or Fox took it over.

      • who’d have figured Bruce’s car wasn’t paid off? hell, he must have been crazy behind on payments for them to grab that ish that quickly.

    • They were living off of Catwoman’s money. He is legally dead ,so even if they did prove the fraudulency of Bane’s stock market actions in his name, Bruce Wayne would not be able to access his money. Which is just another example of a hugely out of character act for him.

  15. Just got home from watching the film. Don’t want to seem ‘lazy’, I simply sat down and enjoyed it. I’ve been a fan of Batman since the age of 6, when I got tonread a comic and asked my parents for a Batgirl costume.
    I REALLY loved The Dark Knight Rises, as a fan, it was far from letting me down. I don’t really know why but I teared up in the end, probably my favorite part of the entire film.

  16. We watched it 3 days ago. I wanted to let it sit for a while, before I give my comment.
    Usually when a movie is great, my wife and I talk for days about it : Ooh you remember that scene or that twist…? Honestly, we didn’t even talk about it once. We watched it, we left and agreed that #2 was better.
    IMHO the 2h 40 min could have been squeezed into 2h flat and it probably would have been a better movie.

    I give a 4.5 for the sets and the action and a 3 for the story.

    cheers

    • Franco,

      That’s kinda how I rate movies. My wife wanted to see this SOOO badly and I got us Midnight tix and took the following day off work.
      When it was over I looked at her and she just shrugged. We haven’t talked about it once.

  17. i agree with everyone who dislikes how nolan put this movie together,
    i am not completely to the core knowledgeable about batman, so please bare with me and don’t be upset if i am wrong, i am just very confused.

    - the film shots during the fight scenes were terrible. catwoman’s body was not being shown she’s supposed to be flexible, but they only showed waist high shots that goes for batman as well

    - how the heck was i supposed to tell that batman doing push ups and crunches were to give me a hint it has been 5 months that went by…really?

    - is it not true that bane was a wrestler from spain and wore a wrestling mask??? why did he have a british accent??!! what was up with his voice it was dorky

    - first they said they have 23 days till the bomb explodes and after that they show the bomb it says 57 mins than they said 12 hrs till it explodes the bomb says 48 mins than they said they have 30 mins than the bomb says 10 mins, the bomb time was never on point

    - nolan dropped the film and said this is it hes done but why did they introduce a new story with robin at the end!!!!

    - raja never trained bane..i dont remember that in the comics

    - than one moment it is night time the second later it is daytime than it gets brighter and darker within seconds through out the movie

    - all the good actors were killed off

    - they had way too many stories that were altered for me to absorb and connect, so confusing…all of the villians…wasnt there like 4 villians before bane’s appearance even showed up in the comics?! why go all of a sudden to bane

    - and didnt batman tell catwoman she only had one shot to clear the tunnel so she had to do it right but she used like a grip of missles!!

    - and where did these 4 other tanks come from there were 2 tanks being chased than all of a sudden u see catwoman and batman blowing up like 6 tanks how?!! there were supposed to be 2 right??

    - and robin at the end…he said my name is dick gracen (or whatever) than the lady says i like ur full name use it and he says robin…thats not a full name !

    - why is bane’s death by a missile? that is lame

    - than the second batman movie, they hyped up two face like he was going to be in this movie than all of sudden they don’t do that, they made it official he dies, they bring up all sorts of villians, if u ask me two face was a badass villian

    - this movie just seemed like while they were filming they were coming up with new ideas and just throwing them in, it was everywhere.

    - than this bomb was set to explode regardless so why have a button?!!

    - what was up with the blood and vein drawing ?!!! what was up with that whole first scene!

    - the film editing sucked

    i am one confused viewer. if someone can explain to me politely that would be great thank u!

    • @JP,

      LOL at – “the film shots during the fight scenes were terrible. catwoman’s body was not being shown she’s supposed to be flexible, but they only showed waist high shots that goes for batman as well”

      The rest was funny too, but I like to pick on the sh..y fights as well.

      Oh, I hope you have tough skin, EOD suit or at least a flak vest ready. You, my friend are about to get bombed by the Batmites..er Nolanites.

      INCOMINNNNNGGGG!

      • Well damn, if you’re speaking with Batmite I wanna know what he is saying.

        I don’t understand how you can critique a subject and when one has an opposite opinion we get branded “Nolanite” this or that.

        So you didn’t like the fight scenes which you have mentioned several times(noted), but I did and I expressed my desire.

        I thought it was a discussion and I was letting my point of view known.

        • Tiim,

          Took that to heart did’ja? Stepped right in that one. Not once did I throw anyone’s screen name under the bus.

          • I thought you did, esp with the “incommmming”.

            Well, personally, I’m sick of people throwing the term/name “Nolanite” around. Although not directly, I’m sure it was implied, especially since it was I and another commenter who had responded to your comment.

            • @T with 2 Eyes,

              Nope and Nope! I’m not the type to imply. The incoming was to warn JP about the incoming frag rounds from people trying to MAKE him see how Godly this flick. Stating THEIR facts or “explaining” the movie to the unlearned..the peasants.

              Those are Nolenites.

              • Well I state my desire for this film as you state your displeasure.

                “Facts” seem to come from both sides of the spectrum, so if there are Nolanites well I guess the opposite extreme would be bitter moviegoers.

                Discussions on this thread have many favroable views, so it’s no surprise that many will come to defend it.

                I don’t understand if something brings an amount of displeasure why continue to be around it? (rhetorical)

                And NO, I was not trying to make this film look “godly”. I can’t praise this or try to bring a counter argument with out being labeled is carzy.

                • Whatever, I’m out. This is why I stopped coming to this site before.

                  We get labeled and then you play victim because the majority favor the movie and have an opposite opinion.

                  So, bye.

                  • Tiim,

                    LOL. Man, pump your brakes. I wasn’t talking about you specifically, I wasn’t picking on you. If you want to take up the call to defend the movie, that’s fine. Just don’t be so quick to take thing personally. Especially about a movie.

                    I “liked” the movie overall. It was just missing too much to put a dress on it and take it to the prom.
                    Not sure who you think was “playing the victim”. Sure wasn’t me.

                    Anyway, wooo sahh!

                    • Throws his shield between the two>>>>>>

                      @ my2cents & Tiim

                      You two wanna drop your hammers & try to make peace with each other?

                      Anyways, sorry for butting in dudes. Won’t happen again. Peace!

      • haha that is fine. i just would like for a comic geek to explain things to me, and well the fight scenes explain themselves. christian bale got lazy compared to the last movie and anne hathaway is not flexible so they had to do a lot of cut shots.

        • okay i see that they dont want to do a strict remake of the comic books but the only reason they brought this movie to life is because the comic books were worthy so its like if they want to modernize batman thats cool but lets not completely stray away from the batman we all know and love. i dont like how the villians make the movie what it is and not batman himself. i would like to have seen batman bring more instead of just jump in towards the end.

          i know many will not agree with me and that is absolutely acceptable (:

    • Maybe read some of the earlier post in this thread, that may help.

      It was a retelling, not a “direct” or “strict” interpretation of what has been seen in the comics.

    • referring to what I was saying about the montage. You know 3-4 months has passed when they start talking about how many days are left, 23 days, THEN you see Bruce escape from the pit. You then come in 22 or so days later to find that there is one day left until the bomb blows. Then Batman arrives in Gotham to help. Sorry I mistyped that point.

  18. I for one, thought the the movie was very well made and while I do have my issues with the film, I am more than satisfied with the outcome.
    I agree with the 4/5 star rating because thsi film was definitely better than Amazing Spiderman but did fall short from the Avengers.
    I ado agree, Avengers is a better movie, but I definitely enjoyed this movie much more.

    In my opinion, Nolan once again did a fine job. I feel that the movie at times was inconsistent and that character development for Selina and Talia was rushed, but I believe that the unedited version will fill in all the gaps.
    To me, this movie should have just went over 3 hrs…LOTR got away with it so should have TDKR.

    The last 40 minutes or so of the film are remarkable, I was totally engrossed into teh film sitting on the edge of my seat. And whether or not you knew about Talia, I thought that the twist was well delivered and that the connection between Bane and the league of shadows adequately explained.

    Key reasons I enjoyed this film:
    -Batman VS Bane fight: great, Batman really got served
    -Bane the character: what a menacing character. Excellent on screen portrayal
    -Bale as Batman: People still think Michael Keaton was a better Batman? If so, your nyts
    -Twists/Easter Egg: Whether you knew they were coming or not, they were well delivered and the final scenes with John Blake was brilliantly played out and I dont care what people say, you did not see that coming
    -Tie in of first two films: first two films were tied in nicely and you really get the sense that this in the concluding chapter to a trilogy
    -The Bat: What a cool new ride in the film

    What I didn’t like:
    -Selina Kyle: Hopefully the unedited version will shed some light on the character, but I wouldnt say she needed to be left out. There isa purpose for her as noted in the end of the film, but I would have liked some more character development and chemistry between her and Bruce. Maybe there is a scene were Bruce teaches her how to ride the bat cycle that was left out because hse picked that up wayyyyy too fast
    -No Joker: Joker was HUGE, HUUUUGE in the TDK, and yes Ledger did die which is tragic but i dont understand how not mentioning him in the film pays any respect to Ledgers death. I feel like there should have been something on him and maybe we will get that in the unedited version but I highly doubt it. My biggest bone to pick with the film.
    -Identity of Batman: So many people knew who he was and easily figured it out. Gordon and Blake figured it out just a bit too easy

    Thats all I have to say…loved this movie and thought it was a great end to a great trilogy.

    • ***possible spoiler alert***

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      @Tasouli “-Twists/Easter Egg: Whether you knew they were coming or not, they were well delivered and the final scenes with John Blake was brilliantly played out and I dont care what people say, you did not see that coming”

      I disagree, it seemed very evident early on that John Blake (even rhymes with Drake) was an amalgamation of Dick Grayson, Jason Todd & Tim Drake. Dick/Nightwing was a cop for awhile, Jason had a similar orphaned past, and Tim was a detective (figured out that Bruce was Batman & confronted him about it).

  19. @ Kofi Outlaw

    I pretty much agree with you’re article here. I thought it good conclusion to the trilogy & i enjoyed it little more than TDK. Pretty much of what you said was accurate. I agreed that the two fights between Batman & Bane seemed little too short. Hardy was good as Bane except for that voice thingy he had on. There were some things i couldn’t make out what he was saying clearly or barely did. Personally imo, next time Bane is in another Batman film, i hope he’s wearing a lachador mask as from the comics with the mouth visible so the actor can actually speak. Hathaway’s Catwoman performance was better than i expected, but her fighting skills weren’t better than Michelle Phieffer’s imo. As for Miranda Tate ” AKA Talia” i agree she should of been given more credit in her role. I loved Batman’s reaction after she stabbed him. I guess i was hoping there would be a fight between her & Catwoman or that Batman saves Catwoman from her. JGL’s character John Blake was a great character but i didn’t think of him as Robin. Just a ally of both Gordon’s aswell Batman’s who he grown to admire. I think the trilogy was well put in place. One of the best trilogies for sure.

  20. This movie was pretty bad – people are on crack. The only thing good were the last 40 mins. When the street riot stars is when it gets good. 2 hrs of crap 40 mins of gold. the ending was great. the dialogue was weak, the editing poor, the characters we’re weak, performances were just ok, alfred was a straight up b****, the “reveal” was a laughable secret…not even on TDK levels. nowhere near. not even close to begins. sheep…baaaaaaaaaaatman

  21. Bat nipples is the only way to describe this movie (remember Schumacher) There are things that bothers me so bad about this film.

    1, Bruce as Howard Hughes, didn’t suit the character. He trained for decades mind, body and spirit. It just didn’t suit him and the “Rocky” come back from the pit I expected one of the other prisoners to call him a ‘bum’.

    The bat plane, was silly, like a Saturday morning cartoon. I have one question about it, if it was military design, shouldn’t it have had the flare, or whatever they call it, when missiles are shot at it, it is supposed to have the missile follow it and not the plane.

    When Bruce went missing, you think they would have put a GPS chip in him like people do their pets to find him, considering how many villains he has.

    I didn’t like they fact they undone all the things from TDK, like Alfred and the letter and about Harvey. Which raises the question, wasn’t Batman supposed to be someone who scared the hell out of the bad guys? When did he and Harvey become a symbol of hope? I feel they were getting crossed with Superman. Which I think some things that may have been more interesting then what they had, one, instead of the depression thing with Bruce have him more angry over it, may be he crosses line with crooks and symbol or not he points out like our involvement overseas in that war, we were to train them and get out, maybe he comes to same conclusion says I cleaned up the streets now help yourselves stop leaving it for me.

    Also, with the 99-1% I would have liked to seen one, where did Bruce’s family get all that money? I thought in the comic his dad was a doctor? And while he’s been fighting criminals, he should fight himself. When he has the money to rebuild a mansion and people are starving, does his company send jobs overseas? Perhaps the Riddler (a good version) would have been a better villain than bane for a class struggle.

    I also hated the performances of most of the actors, like Mr. Cane while I think he’s fantastic and it still leaves me stunned in TDK when he talks about watching the world burn, but this movie they gave him nothing, like most just under contract, to be in the movie, had to use them and Matthew Modine is one of my favorite actors, but this is the first movie I disliked him in. Even Morgan Freeman didn’t add anything to it (love the jab maybe of when even he pointed out their conversations usually ended up with strange request, not this time.

    Perhaps Mr. Nolan and company will go the way Shyamalan did, (he was great for sixth sense and unbreakable but after that it just keeps getting worse and yet, he still is able to keep a job, as will the makers of this abortion of a film. We deserved better than someone who just gets a pay check. We are the 99% and the 1 just gave us a massive 2!

    • @ clark r

      I have to agree with some of what you said now about the film. Especially regarding The Bat. By low that was flying by Bane’s tumblers, i would think one of them would get a good shot at it with one of the missles.

  22. WOW! It’s so amazing that there are so many different views of the same movie. It is like a car accident or a bank robbery. We see the same event but some were right and the others…

  23. @ John Q

    Can’t believe you’ve just said that.

  24. Was that suppose to be funny? I suppose compassion for those who lost loved ones is a lost art.

  25. Despite the fact that you are entitled to your own opinion about the film, that comment was uncalled for, inappropriate, and just down-right terrible and cruel. It makes me sick of what you had just said.

    • The offending comment has been removed And the offender is being banned.

      We will NOT condone that kind of talk on this site.

      • I thought that TDKR was going to be epic, and after TDK could hardly contain myself. When I finally got the chance to see this film, I clearly felt that it was an epic let down. I thought that some of the nuances and fight sequences was well done, but not enough to save this film. There were so many things that did not add up and so many holes in the story that was unbelievable. The pace was so slow and the dialogue was not even enough to keep me interested. I am not saying TDK didn’t have its issues, or even BB, but this one left me so irritated. Wether you are basing this from the graphic novels, original comic books or whatever, the pieces just do not fit. Talia protected by Bane? What about the whole titan formula that made Bane the brute he is. There is no character development of Bane at all. It felt really rushed and that the storyline was often trying to stretch itself beyond what it was. I thought that both the Batman video games, Arkham Asylum and Arkham City had much better plots and character development. Make them into movies, since it seems that the franchise is finished and went out with a thud instead of a bang. Why can’t DC get there act together to make films as great as the first two installments. I even felt that Green Lantern was more entertaining in is obsurdness. It’s just my opinion.

        • Can you give some examples of the plot holes that you noted? I’m interested in hearing.

          • First off, the film opens up after eight years, and it is explained that Bruce Wayne had given up the bat and took to being a complete recluse in his mansion. He was aged and hobbled using a cane to get around. A man that was completely consumed by rage and desire for justice, just turns it off because Rachel Dawes was killed? That is not even close to being the character that we have grown to love in both the comics, graphic novels and film adaptations. Why not explain some angle of how Batman had continued to fight crime in the span and possibly try to explain the injuries that left our hero in such a bad state. Are we to believe that he was left injured like this do to his seclusion in his mansion? Did he trip on a skateboard? Then there is not one mention of the Joker throughout the whole film, but they constantly speak of Harvey Dent. I truly believe that what the Joker had put Gotham through, it would have at least earned mentioning, more so than Harvey Dent’s death at the hands of Batman. Then Ra’s Al Ghul (Liam Neeson) makes an appearance in a dream sequence and leads you to believe that Bane is his son. Find out truth later, that he was the protector of Ra’s daughter Talia. Never in any story I have read or heard of do these characters evr coincide in their histories. They do not explain how Bane got to the state he is in, and never explain the mask he wears. They make it seem as though he cannot take it off or he will die, so how does he eat, drink, etc… It is just not well written and I for one have been a long time fan of Nolan’s works and thought it was not up to par with what his first two films laid out. It wasn’t the worst film I have seen this year, Prometheus was much worse, but it still just did not give enough to be considered a great film.

            • You must have missed a LOT when you watched the movie.

              Batman didn’t stop only because Rachel was killed. That was one of the biggest reasons he was beaten down, yes, but also he had to run away because the city considered him a murderer. Also, the legacy of Harvey Dent that he created helped clean up the streets, so he was needed even less. His job was done, he wasn’t needed, wasn’t wanted, and ON TOP of that, yes Rachel died and he felt almost no meaning in life.

              You seem to forget that he screwed up his back when he fell those 3 or so stories with Dent and landed on his back. After being shot. And apparently Bruce Wayne never really walked around for all those years, and the lack of use of his legs (on top of the regular damage from being Batman) messed up his cartilage (as shown and explained in the x-rays before he visits Gordon in the hospital).

              Joker caused all the chaos, sure, but Dent’s legacy had the greatest lasting effect. Also, are you really pissed that they didn’t mention the Joker?? Especially when you know the real-world reasons behind it (i.e. out of respect for Heath Ledger)??? I’m going to go ahead and comply with Screenrant’s policy by refraining from personal attacks here.

              Sure Bane and Talia may not have coincided in the comics. But neither was Joker the same Joker as the comics, nor was Harvey Dent, nor were a lot of things in Nolan’s world exactly the way they were in the comics. It’s called creative license, and this is one of the very rare cases when the director doesn’t completely crap on the source material – he just changed it JUST a little bit to make it work into a meaningful, original story. So appreciate it.

              Bane got into that state when he helped Talia escape, and the prisoners tore his face up afterwards. The surgeon (who kept talking to Bruce Wayne in the different language tried to fix him up but screwed up, leaving Bane in a state of constant agony. The mask numbs the pain to tolerable levels so he can function. How does he eat, drink? Well nobody explicitly said he can never ever take it off for an instant. Also, why are you concerned about whether he can eat or drink? This is a world where a grown man is dressed up like a giant bat so he can punch people in anonymity, and here you are focusing on a completely irrelevant point of how a guy can eat and drink because he has a mask on.

              Thank you for your time, and that is all.

              • LOL…I don’t know why some people complain about so much irrelevancy. I mean stuff like SPOILERS…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….How did he make his journey back from point A to point B after recovering and climbing out of Bane’s prison and so on and so on…..

                • He’s Batman and he had 22 days to do it. He has extensive experience traveling the globe without divulging identity or spending money… He was traveling the world (and criminal underworld) for years in Batman Begins…

                  • Hey Kofi,

                    How can I get on the payroll to explain everything and counterpoint everyone like you guys are paying Justin to?

                    • Ugh.. frigg’n Gov PC.

                      “…are paying Justin to do?”

              • funny how falling 3 stories and landing on a dirt pile screwed up his back, yet he fell some 30+ stories and landed on a car in TDK and was just fine with that. This movie sufferes from lazy story-telling, but because the storyteller is Nolan, everybody just accepts it, and answers any question about the contrived plot devices with “because he’s batman”
                well, I’m not buying it. I call shenanigans!

  26. An awesome film. Christopher Nolan should be praised for his depiction of the Dark Knight. A worthy trilogy for any any film lover.

  27. @ Kofi Outlaw

    Thank you.

  28. Dark knight rises is very expolsive emotional action pact movie it is very epic and also mind blowing,Banes performance was very dramatic he broke batman as expected both physically and mentally but acting ability between the two actors meaning heath ledger and tom hardy i personally would give joker the edge by quite a wide margin,But what can i say banes performance was rather mind blowing also not to mention catwoman was also very exceptional cant touch on everything but can i say dark knight rises is a must see movie i must also add it is the best movie for the year and hats off to CHRISTOPHER NOLAN he would go down in history fof one of the best trigolys ever……

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