THIS IS THE PLACE TO DISCUSS ‘DARK KNIGHT RISES’ SPOILERS
[We originally published this in May 2012 but have re-published it as a place for fans to discuss spoilers freely after having seen the film. Be sure to also read our Dark Knight Rises Review.]
Considering how seriously director Christopher Nolan has taken these films, many fans have pondered whether or not Batman will (gulp) bite the bullet in the closing moments of The Dark Knight Rises. On the topic of endings, Batman trilogy writer David S. Goyer recently talked about the final scene of TDKR and the profound emotional effect it had on him.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD!!
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Courtesy of Empire Magazine:
“The final scene of ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ is exactly [the] scene we talked about [when Christopher Nolan and I started the trilogy with 'Batman Begins']. It remained completely unchanged. We both knew in our hearts that we were onto something special. I have to tell you, having finally seen everything strung together a little while ago and seeing that scene, I got a complete lump in my throat.”
Now, you might assume Goyer got a lump in his throat because he was witnessing his nearly decade-long dream realized (or something similarly sentimental).
However, Empire pressed the issue further and got a different response. After they inferred that Nolan was committing “commercial sacrilege,” Goyer said:
“Yup! That’s why it’s ****ing exciting!”
So what could this possibly mean, Screen Ranters? Is there something tragic about the ending of The Dark Knight Rises that might lead to lumps being formed in throats? To commercial sacrilege being performed? Will Batman – as fans have hypothesized all throughout the Internet – be kicking the bucket by way of Bane’s steroid-fueled fist?
Frankly, there are plenty of other possible scenarios for what David Goyer is hinting at. Perhaps Batman is just hanging up his cowl, and the poignancy of that moment alone was enough to put a lump in Goyer’s throat. Or perhaps another character dies – Alfred, Lucius, or Gordon. Heck, every time I see Michael Caine die in a movie (Children of Men, for example) my throat becomes practically ridden with lumps.
And if Batman were truly to die in Nolan’s final Batman film, would David Goyer dare broach the subject in an interview? Would someone so close to the project – one of the creative minds behind the various screenplays – discuss the key piece of this seven-year-old puzzle? Possibly the most important scene? Before it can be experienced by audiences firsthand?
Maybe. Hopefully not, though. If Batman/Bruce Wayne’s death is indeed in the cards for The Dark Knight Rises, one would hope that Goyer would have the willpower to keep mum until the film opens.
For an in-depth discussion of the film by the Screen Rant team check out our Dark Knight Rises episode of the SR Underground podcast.
The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters July 20th, 2012.
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Source: Empire Magazine [via Comic Book Movie]
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About the ending i think its pretty clear that Bruce is well and alive.
Remember when Batman took off with his flying vehicle im the end, carrying the bomb after kissed Catwoman? There was a scene he bombed a buikding in order to get through to the sea. I think it was the time he might turned the autopilot and escaped from ghe vehicle, tjus can avoid the nuke radius and wasnt seen escaped above the sea.
And it was also been stated that the vehicle was fixed and only could be turned on by Bruce Wayne in Lucius Fox scene in the end, ss well as the Batman city lamp when Gordon saw it. Who else care so much to fix that lamp, other BW himself?
All in all, I’m pretty entrrtained with the end of this DK trilogy. I think its the best decision to keep BW alive, because he is the symbol of Batman and to keep fans being hopeful for the next Batman movie, despite Nolan will direct it again or not. About the villain, yes, no one can outcome Joker demonic figure, but I think Bane did a good job spreading fearful atmosphere with his Darth Vader lookalike appearance. Credits to that. Catwoman? Unquestionably brilliant, Love the witty attittude.
It was never stated that only Bruce could turn it on. Maybe you’re confusing it with Bruce Wayne’s signature being on the software patch? The signature means “hey I did this update,” not “hey only I can use this.”
Of course Bruce Wayne is alive and well. They show him alive and well at the end of the movie. Did you miss the part where Alfred is on vacation just like he told Bruce he used to do when he was missing in Batman Begins, and Alfred sees Bruce & Selena(Catwoman) sitting together?
also, selina is wearing the pearls, which were the only thing that came up missing in the inventory. and if anyone asks, as others have, Alfred is wearing diffenerent clothes in the cafe scenes
Did Batman died or what ??
should i kick you to the dome gee
if bruce is alive or dead you have to admit he had his plans in place. his will reflected what was happening to him. when did he have a chance to leave coordinates to batcave to blake?
the donation of the house to the boys home.
the ending scene in the cafe was shot in a bright tone usually used for fantasies or flashbacks. it is all open from here, hey bay is doing 4th transformers, maybe we could hope for bat4.
the romance with wayne and kyle would turn out to be boring for the both of them, he will always miss gotham and his fathers legacy. maybe he will see blake make mistakes and have to help him or take him down.
so many possibilities.
questions? why was it night time as they left the stock exchange, it did not seem that they were in there all day. maybe they was.
isn’t batcave under wayne manor? alfred used elevator behind piano to get down there.
I think it was like close to sunset with the stock exchange scene?
oh – and I believe the coordinates, the bat signal, all that were after the bomb. the reading of the will, the funeral, the statue unveiling, etc. imply that the scene spanned a period of several weeks. So Bruce may have been hiding out with Selina and working in the shadows, just without the costume!
OK – commenting on several posts: I had a problem with the 8 year thing, and the end where he leaves gotham. I think you don’t have to leave a place “that has nothing for you but pain and tragedy” to find peace, if you have found inner peace by accepting the past and embracing a new future. The thing is, the BW here has been set up as a guy who cared about his family’s company and his city: rebuilt the mansion, became the protector both as bat and bruce (financially) – so why would he let it fall apart over 8 years, then not try to rebuild after? perhaps he’s rebuilding via Fox, long distance and is still keeping a watchful eye while he’s taking a break. And knowing it would take many months to fix. We know BW is alive – for all of you who are overthinking (and my college age son agrees) – too many things were said in every aspect to not think he was alive. Too many clues, and also Selina was even wearing the pearls at the end (saw the fillm twice). the pearls that were mentioned as the only thing coming up missing in the final inventory. Just hope he eventually got up and talked to Alfred! They are the only family they have!
the whole pit thing – he said it was hell, because it offered hope (of escape). Can only have true despair if there is still hope. Bruce’s hell was psychological – watching Gotham fall apart. The preisoners didn’t need to do anything else. And I think, weren’t they separated from the real ruffians by locked doors? the same doors that Talia’s mother forgot to lock? not sure about that.
the scar – he probably wasn’t thinking much about it – mindlessly touching it – he’d had a rough couple of days ending in a tryst that seemed like it was an attempt to mentally be done with Rachel (he saw her picture right before and seemed to have that look like “how much time I’ve wasted on nothing”)
also just felt like not enough Batman for Gotham city – the 8 year hiatus was a bit much – in the comics he’s ther all the time, year after year. don’t see why he could’t meet a nice girl who could support him, nurse his wounds, etc.
but this isn’t like the comics, and people keep comparing this to the comics, but it seems to me there are SO many versions out there, how could you do it all, and some of them seem too surreal for me. MY friend, in fact, who normally doesn’t like batman all that much – she doesn’t lik sci fi things, but spidey is OK (go figure) – she went to see this with her brother, and liked it, because it had a lot of realism.
I think he had to have ejected from the batcopter – but how did it survive? Maybe a last minute remote control release thing?
The whole voice thing – someone could always be listening, but also when he goes into bat mode, it’s probably mentally difficult to switch back and forth without possibly making a mistake. One of the novels I’ve read even mentioned this – he forgot which cell phone he was using when talking to Jim Gordon and used the wrong voice! lol
“this world is too small for someone like bruce wayne to disapear” common, in florence if bruce is still alive someone has to recognise him!
I bet Harley will be the villian in the next one
what “next one”??
If they reboot the series in the future, I’m sure that they will make The Joker the villian once again. After all, he is our favorite villian in the Batman franchise.
I think that Nolan ended his trilogy with a really good movie this is my favorite from the 3 and I think Bane was the perfect villain for his last one
Now if he decides to come back and make a batman and robin that would be great he would be the one to make it work but Christian Bale said that he was out too if nolan was so he would have to come back and make it and he probably will he makes good money of these films
the ending was great he survives and lives his life how alfred wanted him to and he also passes down the Batsuit to Robin Blake
This was better than spider man and avengers
Much better than Spiderman.
I think the fact that Alfred saw Bruce with Selina Kyle is proof he was still alive. Why would Alfred just imagine Bruce with Selina Kyle of all people.
Selina ALWAYS wears black except when in orange jail jumpsuit. In the cafe scene, she was wearing a blue dress. Alfred stated he always “dreams” of seeing Bruce at cafe with another woman and child. Who’s to say this wasn’t another dream? Besides, Alfred never mentioned the name of the cafe. Bruce tails Alfred from GC to Italy and then to cafe? Nah..I think it was a dream. I also don’t think “Robin” is Robin. I think he’s Nightwing..just my take…
She wears black because of he depression she is trapped in just like Bruce. Once they leave that life behind they can wear bright happy clothing. Its a metaphor.
She wears black because of the depression she is trapped in just like Bruce. Once they leave that life behind they can wear bright happy clothing. Its a metaphor.
Alfred is not aware of any kind of relationship between Bruce and Selina before he lives the Wayne Manor. Plus, it’s hinted when Selina asks him to run away together. Bruce is unwilling to do so, but after losing everything, realising he is too old for this s*** (it’s evident that he needs other people’s assistance in this film to save his ass) and leaving a worthwhile successor (John ‘Robin’ Blake), he is finally free to go live his life.
Plus, people forget him giving Selina the ‘erasing’ software. It means that both of them are able to start their lives anew, with new identities etc. Plus, if the theory of Bruce escaping his vehicle while it was flying above Gotham, it gave him time to get back to Wayne manor and sort out some things, plus find Selina. So yeah, even though when I first so the ending I was like ‘Oh, great, another Inception’, to me it now makes sense that Bruce Wayne is still alive and somewhere out there with Selina Kyle.
Plus, think it that way: Bruce goes intentionally in Florence to see Alfred and let hm know everything’s okay. He stalks him for a couple of day (he used to be BATMAN, after all), then find out the place and makes sure he’ll be seen.
It’s really amazing to see the debate whether BW is still alive or not. The whole point of leaving the ending in such unclear terms – this is what Nolan REALLY wants. Fans can make up their own ending, whichever suits their imagination. Now that’s what I call real satisfaction for a movie director.
I think my biggest issue with this film (if you even want to call it an issue)was the fact that the city didn’t feel like Gotham to me. In Begins and TDK, the city was a major character in the movie, and in TDKR I felt like that “major character” was recast with a poorer choice. I don’t know if I am making sense; in Begins, Gotham is this dark, huge city with the monorail system running through it. In TDK, Gotham was deep and dark and really added to the truck scene. In TDKR, I felt like Gotham wasn’t Gotham. I don’t know. Loved the movie though.
i thought the same thing… it didn’t look or feel the same.
I totally agree. I felt they showed off all the New York landmarks and bridges and kind of abandoned the tighter, darker Chicago-like setting.
Mco119 – I think you are right…
…but we can’t handle the truth, so it’s been left a little total recall and therefore both work!
Mco119 – I think you are right…but we can’t handle the truth, so it’s been left a little total recall and therefore both work!
I read only a few comments and i can see where everyone is coming from. Anyways i give this movie a 9 out of 10 (no movie is perfect). 2 things i would change i guess is the way Bain died and not showing BW at the end of it all (still can’t make up my mind on that one). As for Robin/Nightwing….. I think if they do a spin-off like that, it has to be nightwing. To me robin will always be a sidekick AND JB will need to be much younger, like the kid age who died in the sewer in TDKR. As great as i think all 3 movies, villians, actors and just the world that Nolan created, i think it is time to move on. As in a new Director if there is a forth film. Nolan had a great take on batman and his world but he told his verison, so let someone else continue on from where he left off. A new batman is not needed but i really don’t see Bale coming back. If there is a forth movie, I would like to see my 2nd favorite batman villian in Edward…. You figure that out ha ha. Maybe Mr Freeze so that batman has to take on someone who isn’t true evil like the last 3 Villians. I don’t think Batgirl should be part of this world, i just don’t think she would fit. That’s just me. Would love to hear what everyone thinks on my ideas.
How cool would it be if next year’s Superman movie has a scene where he saves Bruce from the explosion. DC would only need to recast batman for JL.
That is EXACTLY what I thought as well when the ending of TDKR was shown because the Justice League movie has been confirmed to be made and Chris Nolan is producing The Man Of Steel. Since BW is alive and well with Selina at the final stages of the TDKR, the ONLY scenario that could of played out when the nuke went off would have to be a force that would literally be “out of this world” for BW to have survived. Think about it. That nuke was reminiscent of Nakisaki and/or Hiroshima bombing in comparison to the size of the explosion. Just a thought…
As much as I enjoyed the film, it annoyed me quite a bit. I wanted Batman to die, and I actually think he did. I just think the film needed him to die, in order to be perfect. The ending did not satisfy me personally.
Firstly, there is no way Batman could of got out of the NUKE radius. Its not just a small bomb, its a NUKE. Everyone might say, ‘oh he ejected into the water and let auto pilot do the rest’. So why did he get into the bat in the first place? If he needed to get in to use Auto piolet, why sit in it MINUTES. Get in, activate it, get out. Even if he did drop into that water, he was A.) Stabbed. B.) Wearing very heavy armour. He would not of been able to swim to shore.
Secondly, through out the trailers to the TDKR, it basically prepares you for Bruce Wayne’s death. Every line of Alfred saying he failed to protect him (not in the film?) and Bruce Wayne saying he hasn’t given everything, not yet. You just get that vibe of Bruce going to die, and so he should. Harvey dent in TDK, ‘You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain’. Nolan just went ahead and took a dump on those words. My brother was like, ‘yeah but Batman proved them wrong’. I don’t think he should of, it just would of been a better ending if those words were true (him dying, not becoming a villain).
Thirdly, Bruce Wayne died because of this one fact. Alfred would NOT of reacted the way he did when he saw Bruce in the cafe. I don’t care, if he is trying to stay true to his dream etc, thats fecking dumb. Nolan’s Batman was all about realism, you wouldn’t think your best friend died, be sobbing your heart out at his grave, then see him alive in a cafe, smirk at him, and then walk off. You’d be like ‘OMG WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE?!’. Same to Bruce Wayne, they would of reacted differently, they’re bro’s. Maybe if Alred deep down didn’t believe BW was dead I would let it pass, but he literally wets himself from sobbing so much and hard. He didn’t even look suprised from my viewing. Bruce Wayne gives him eye contact for 2 seconds and looks away. NO ! Even if it did happen, thats not realistic!
Lastly, Bruce Wayne would not just stop being Batman. You have to remember that he is basically, severely mentally disturbed, and mentally and emotionally needs Batman. He wouldn’t just go tarting around Italy. Like Frodo in LOTR, he can’t get over everything he has been through either, and struggles with it. I know they’re two different scenario’s, but Bruce doesn’t get to go to some far away land where everything is awesome. If everything I have said is wrong, then I truly HATE this ending.
The ending to me was just not the ending I had hoped for. The last I saw of Lucius, he was hanging for his life on to a ladder. What happened to him? Bane’s death was rubbish.
Fight between Batman and Bane was too short. Bane: ‘You came back to die!’. Batman: ‘No, I came back to stop you!’. Horrible line, the writers are better than that and were up until then and beyond. Bane having one little wire being messed up from a good few punches at his mask. It would of been so cool if it came off and you saw his mangled face. I didn’t like the fact Levitt is suggested to be the next Batman. Not because of his character, but because its too open ended.
When I walk into the last film of a trilogy, I expect a VERY CLEAR ending. Where the makers just say, this is what happens, and there’s no room for debates or arguments. Blake could of gone up in that lift, and gone ‘oh cool batman suit’ and left. I know its unlikely, but theres no guarantee of anything from this ending. Thats why I don’t like it.
Rest of the film was epic, especially Batman getting owned. Don’t go all mad on me for thinking like this, I just expected something else and its all opinion. Be nice !
I was also expecting at least one main character from the other two to die, like Gordon, Lucius or Alfred. Nobody cares about the mayor, it was just lacking a tragic death.
If u know anything about the director and his movies you would of never excepted a clear cut ending he just doesn’t do that . Chris Nolan likes to leave things for interpatation! It can be annoying but the movies stay with u so much longer and they keep people talking.
I totally agree. But I think you can still enjoy the ending of the film, it’s just that you have to accept that Nolan did indeed intend for Batman to die and that things like Alfred, Wayne & Selina meeting at the cafe were red-herrings designed to mess with the audience. To me that cafe scene was Alfred having one of his “fantasies” as we watch that scene pretty much from his point of view rather than Bruce Wayne’s.
I also agree with your point about Batman’s line – “No, I came here to stop you.” That was a pretty lame comeback.
Hello guys. I haven’t seen the movie, but I just read some comments and I heard that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is revealed as Robin at the end of the movie. Is this the only reversal on the movie or it has more? I don’t want to know something specific, just if it has more than this. Thanks.
I liked the role Joseph Gordon-Levitt ‘s character played and the Robin nod at the end. But for him to become the new Batman is totally weak to me. Roger from Angels in the Outfield is the new Batman?!? Give me a break! Wack!!!
how did he travel 6 miles in 10 seconds? Also i choose to believe he dies and the the cafe scene is a figment of Alfred’s imagination.
Yeah, it’s not a dream, changed my mind. Travelling 6 miles in 40 seconds is still silly though
Why not? The kid from the musical “Newsies” played batman
Why not? The kid from the musical “Newsies” played batman.
This isnt the movie Inception, the ending wasnt open ended in a way that made me question if he was alive or dead (awake or dreaming), it just was open ended in the way that was suppose to make you think “what next?” People are really overthinking this.
To those that have said Batman could have somehow “flown up out of the blast ridius after dropping the bomb,” it just shows you don’t know much about a weapon of this kind. The mushroom cloud would have been 50,000 high..no way Batman could have cleared that in a helicopter in 10 seconds. Heck, a top of the line jet interceptor would need a full minute or more at full afterburners to do it. If he was lucky.
You guys need to get this: people don’t live through nuclear detonations that happen 20 feet away. He died, and all the evidence points to Alfred’s sighting of Bruce being symbolic: it was put in the film to show thta Bruce, after a lifetime of pain, was finally at peace. That was what Alfred wanted, and, in a way, he got it.
Again though, if you don’t want to hear this, just answer one question: how could Batman have lived through a thermonuclear explosion? How exactly? If you can’t answer that (and nobody can) then we have to assume he IS dead, and, as such, the later sighting of him is figurative.
To use the famous Sherlock Holmes line, “Eliminate the impossible, and whatever remains, how ever improbable, is invariably th truth.”
You need to get this: he is alive. The official novelization is out and it flat out says it is Bruce in the cafe.
“Bruce smiled at Alfred, looking more relaxed and at peace than the old man would have thought possible.
After a moment, Alfred nodded back at him, knowing that nothing more needed to be said. Bruce turned back to his companion, a lovely young brunette wearing an exquisite pearl necklace. She bore a distinct resemblance to a certain light-fingered maid Alfred had briefly encountered before.
Selina, I think.
He paid his bill, leaving the waiter a genrous tip, and departed with a spring in his step. But he didn’t look back.”
It is also pretty clear from book that indeed Blake is meant to become Batman, not Robin or Nightwing…
Well the Justice League has been confirmed to be made into a movie and Chris Nolan is producing The Man Of Steel that is coming out 2013, so if you account BW to be alive at the end of TDKR, it would seem the ONLY possible way for BW to have survived would be from the one and only The Man Of Steel.
He was not in The Bat when it was flying into the sea. Nearly all of Batman’s vehicles have escape hatches (escape vehicles), and The Bat would be no different. Bruce made sure the auto-pilot was set before he ejected from the cockpit. Batman always has a way out (at least in the comics).
To those that have said Batman could have somehow “flown up out of the blast ridius after dropping the bomb,” it just shows you don’t know much about a weapon of this kind. The mushroom cloud would have been 50,000 high..no way Batman could have cleared that in a helicopter in 10 seconds. Heck, a top of the line jet interceptor would need a full minute or more at full afterburners to do it. If he was lucky.
You guys need to get this: people don’t live through nuclear detonations that happen 20 feet away. He died, and all the evidence points to Alfred’s sighting of Bruce being symbolic: it was put in the film to show thta Bruce, after a lifetime of pain, was finally at peace. That was what Alfred wanted, and, in a way, he got it.
Again though, if you don’t want to hear this, just answer one question: how could Batman have lived through a thermonuclear explosion? How exactly? If you can’t answer that (and nobody can) then we have to assume he IS dead, and, as such, the later sighting of him is figurative.
To use the famous Sherlock Holmes line, “Eliminate the impossible, and whatever remains, how ever improbable, is invariably the truth.”
I believe you are correct. However, the part where Batman is dragging the bomb out to the bay. Do you notice that he blows up a side of the building and the Bat proceeds out to the ocean. Inside the movie there is a scene where BW is talking to Lucious where Lucious tells BW that the Bat has auto pilot. It is my belief that when Batman blows up the side of the building prior to proceeding out to the ocean he ejects as the building blows and camoflauges his escape. The Bat then proceeds on autopilot till it takes the bomb to the ocean. Hence Batman’s escape and going with Selina Kyle. Therefore, I believe BW is alive and wants Alfred to see him at the end. Also Alfred does say a cafe and the location in the movie which is why BW knows where to go.
Ok. Overall a good movie. Not the best. But for the money a definite must see. Very slow for the better part of the movie. Not like part 2 at all. Characters developed in dream sequence flashbacks to their past seems like kind of a cheat. Joker didn’t require that… couldn’t 3 hrs of film give time for a little individual non-flashback development?
Is Batman dead? When the Bat is given to Bruce, Lucius says that the autopilot doesn’t work and that maybe Bruce could work on it in his spare time. Just about when Batman leaves at the end with the bomb Lucius reflects that the autopilot does not work and we get the feeling this is a one way trip. Afterward it was found that Bruce repaired it 6 months before. The bomb is a neutron bomb and not your standard nuclear bomb. Neutrons are designed to kill life but leave structures standing. The ocean at a good distance would create all the shielding Batman needs to survive. Whether Batman ejected after the Bat blew through the building on once it reached the beach is unknown but why would Bruce with a working autopilot remain on board? Likely he ejected once he was sure the Bat was on course. Assume the Bat could do about 400 mph in exaggerated movie land and may have even had a booster to go faster. Needless to say it would be a good distance out to sea while Bruce would be at the beach or inside the city. Does that answer whether he is alive?
He had to have a full funeral ect… just like Gordon did in the last movie so people wouldn’t depend on him and he could go out a hero.
With regard to Robin. It could be his nickname that he uses as his official name. Many people do just that. With that in mind it is hard to say which Robin he is as many have played the role. He could be Nightwing, he could be Robin, he could be the next Batman, etc….
Lucius goes to a restaurant Bruce is unlikely to know. He says he goes there every year. How likely is it that Bruce doesn’t keep a close eye on his family/friends even when they are on vacation. If it was a dream remember that Lucius had the dream involving kids, wife, etc… but that no kids were at that table. Bruce basically lost the will to live at the last movie. He rebounded first with Ra-al-Guhl’s daughter and then with Catwoman he rebounds in a more complete fashion due to her quirks being so close to his own that he has a new reason to live life full. You can tell from the final departing kiss.
Fight scene with Bane was disappointing. A couple of rubber hoses to detach was all it takes??? What kind of equipment is this for a fighter?
When recuperating Bruce uses a servo enhances apparatus to give him walking strength again. How hard would it have been to incorporate that into his good arms and rejuvenated legs, etc… to make super-robo-Bain-trashing Batman??? Bane talking all the time reminded me of this guy in Mad Max.
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He definitely could have had more story development. He is the main baddie in most of the movie and gets sidelined with regard to the depth of his backstory.
Having people’s true identity revealed at the last minute (Ra’s daughter, Robin) just seemed like a cheat. A cheap way of story writing.
Batman had a polished quality to it but Avengers was a better ride for the money.
Hopefully Nolan will be highly involved in Superman and with that these two stories may tie together eventually. He says he is not doing another Batman movie but that does not mean he is not doing another movie where Batman is not the main character. Personally I would like to see him develop each DC character on their own and then in an overall JLA movie.
When you know how good his quality is why would you give character development over to any other director? Even as a assistant director he could be invaluable to making a quality product.
i am going to mention that batman was wearing his “bat neutron bomb suit” athe the end, he fell in the water where the “batraft” was waiting then he switched to his “bat speedos” rowed to the “catlair” next door to the old “batcave” took out his “bat passport maker” and went on “bat vacation” or make that “bat holiday” they are all english.
i don’t really thing the cafe scene at the end was real just an interpretation of a peaceful end to his heart ache.
i do think the life of batman was too short – whether he carries on in another form or identity – bruce wayne is batman is bruce wayne
and the “bat shark repellant”
This really isn’t so hard to grasp. He bails out at the beach leaving the “Bat” on autopilot heading out to sea. When it explodes he is essentially no closer to it than anyone else in Gotham.
Wayne’s alive he’s just in another dream within the dream because Bane’s Dream was crashing down. Bane is a great dream creator as he got through the airplane scene and was able to alter gravity in order to accomplish his goal. Bane also created a series of mazes underground to make a great dream that was hard for others to crack or realize. Bane also robbed the Stock Exchange during the day then drove through a tunnel then it was Night, another dream dream. Lastly Bane was able to go from Gotham City (North America) to the Middle East and then Back to Gotham within seconds as well as Bruce Wayne who was following him through the dreams. As Always Ma was just crazy Sabotaging the dreams so Wayne just left all these crazy Dreams to go to Alfred’s Romantic Dream in Florence. So for the mean time Wayne is in Alfred’s Dream, which really isn’t nearly as cool, complicated and imaginative as Bane’s Dream which came crashing down in the end….
Huh? Wtf dude…
Huh? That made no sense.
He thought he was being funny…THOUGHT being the key word.
I think Batman has died before in the comic books and they find some way of bringing him back. Dream Sequences. It works in comic books all the time. You have to realize that everything you see on the screen is not 100% real. The story line has been true to the characters, when Batman is presumed dead Robin takes his place as Batman to carry on the name. But as you noticed in the movie Blake killed two men, this is something Bruce Wayne was taught to control himself from doing. The comic books have also brought on the idea that Natalia and Batman have a son!! Damien. This story line can go anywhere and that’s why I love it so much. There have been 3 boy wonders in the comic books but only two survive one becomes Nightwing and the other remains Robin. Who knows maybe Bruce Wayne is dead and maybe he isn’t but one thing is for sure the Dark Knight will rise again.
Just listened to the podcast with spoilers for TDKR, and I completely agree with the point that the audience was in effect cheated when it was revealed that Bane was nothing more than a henchman. In my eyes this makes all villains’ (both Talia’s and Bane’s) motives far more questionable and unfounded. Basically, I felt it neutered Bane, made him far less interesting of a villain. And the manner of his death was completely anticlimactic.
I also think anyone who thinks Batman died at the end is way over-thinking it. Even if it is Nolan, this movie was meant to be much more of a straightforward story, not like Inception at all, which is a movie about illusion and truth vs. reality, where the audience was /supposed/ to question what was going on on-screen. So the argument that Nolan intended for it to be an ambiguous ending because his last movie was just so is unfounded. Besides, I think that if Nolan made the ending for every single one of his movies ambiguous (like if it became his MO), people would just take that as cheesy.
I woulnd’t overthink the ending. Yes, this is Chris Nolan and his endings are never clear cut. But this is not Inception – it’s Batman. Everything Nolan shows us in the end is real to me. Nothing about it says ‘fantasy’. It’s a fitting end too. He “kills” Batman to draw a close to the story. But he shows us that Bruce Wayne is alive and well in a new life elsewhere because it teases us with the hope and possibility that Batman is still alive in Bruce and that the possibility for more movies and stories exists, even if this really is the end for Nolan’s trilogy. It ends with this shred of hope, wonder and possibility for us as the audience, but more importantly – it ends with the start of a brand new life for Bruce. What’s not perfect about that? I love it. A masterful film in a masterful trilogy.
Bruce is dead.
Alfred just imagined him alive and well.
Alfred´s reaction to see Bruce and Selina at the cafe, proves that.
If Bruce was alive,Alfred would have another reaction,he would be surprised to see Bruce safe and happy but no.
Bruce is dead.
Alfred just imagined him alive and well.
Alfred´s reaction to see Bruce and Selina at the cafe, proves that.
If Bruce was alive,Alfred would have another reaction,he would be surprised to see Bruce safe and happy but no.
If he is alive it would be the biggest plot hole, he didn’t eject from the bat, as I saw that he didn’t jump on the building he destroyed he keep going at the speed he was going he had to be going very fast and therefore he couldn’t have jumped, with only seconds remaining, even if he had ejected with parachute and everything the explosion would have killed him, the wave that a nuke produces would destroy a man, the light would be so bright it would blind him, the heat would have burned him instantly.
Sigh…no, it wasn’t “shot too close to tell.” It clearly shows Batman sitting IN the cockpit with his hands on the Bat’s controls. This is seconds before detonation. Even if he had ejected right then..instant vaporization.
If he lived, it is a series-ruining plothole. It is that big. Luckily, Nolan almost certainly meant the later sighting of him to be 100% figurative. People are just being incredibly stupid.
Nolan did not mean anything figurative by his exceedingly clear scene featuring Bruce and Selina at the cafe. There was no plot hole. There WAS a cluster of scenes of misdirection shown for dramatic effect. Bruce LIVED. Calling others stupid to cover up whatever inadequacies you may possess is just sad.
Your arrogance isn’t even insulting anymore…it is merely a cause for pity.
Just…stop.
Oh, and you put your comment in the wrong place in the thread…CLEARLY, you are quite the observant one…ahem.
To add to what Archaeon has said, just because you said Batman i the cockpit does not mean he was in The Bat. Nearly, if not all, of Batman’s vehicles have an escape. Also, Bale has stated that he would return as Batman if Nolan returned as director; which means Bruce Wayne survived.
Ugh!
EDIT** just because you saw Batman in the cockpit does not mean he was in The Bat