THIS IS THE PLACE TO DISCUSS ‘DARK KNIGHT RISES’ SPOILERS
[We originally published this in May 2012 but have re-published it as a place for fans to discuss spoilers freely after having seen the film. Be sure to also read our Dark Knight Rises Review.]
Considering how seriously director Christopher Nolan has taken these films, many fans have pondered whether or not Batman will (gulp) bite the bullet in the closing moments of The Dark Knight Rises. On the topic of endings, Batman trilogy writer David S. Goyer recently talked about the final scene of TDKR and the profound emotional effect it had on him.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD!!
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Courtesy of Empire Magazine:
“The final scene of ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ is exactly [the] scene we talked about [when Christopher Nolan and I started the trilogy with 'Batman Begins']. It remained completely unchanged. We both knew in our hearts that we were onto something special. I have to tell you, having finally seen everything strung together a little while ago and seeing that scene, I got a complete lump in my throat.”
Now, you might assume Goyer got a lump in his throat because he was witnessing his nearly decade-long dream realized (or something similarly sentimental).
However, Empire pressed the issue further and got a different response. After they inferred that Nolan was committing “commercial sacrilege,” Goyer said:
“Yup! That’s why it’s ****ing exciting!”
So what could this possibly mean, Screen Ranters? Is there something tragic about the ending of The Dark Knight Rises that might lead to lumps being formed in throats? To commercial sacrilege being performed? Will Batman – as fans have hypothesized all throughout the Internet – be kicking the bucket by way of Bane’s steroid-fueled fist?
Frankly, there are plenty of other possible scenarios for what David Goyer is hinting at. Perhaps Batman is just hanging up his cowl, and the poignancy of that moment alone was enough to put a lump in Goyer’s throat. Or perhaps another character dies – Alfred, Lucius, or Gordon. Heck, every time I see Michael Caine die in a movie (Children of Men, for example) my throat becomes practically ridden with lumps.
And if Batman were truly to die in Nolan’s final Batman film, would David Goyer dare broach the subject in an interview? Would someone so close to the project – one of the creative minds behind the various screenplays – discuss the key piece of this seven-year-old puzzle? Possibly the most important scene? Before it can be experienced by audiences firsthand?
Maybe. Hopefully not, though. If Batman/Bruce Wayne’s death is indeed in the cards for The Dark Knight Rises, one would hope that Goyer would have the willpower to keep mum until the film opens.
For an in-depth discussion of the film by the Screen Rant team check out our Dark Knight Rises episode of the SR Underground podcast.
The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters July 20th, 2012.
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Source: Empire Magazine [via Comic Book Movie]
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Here’s my thoughts.
1) I think the movie was amazing; visually and plot wise.
2) I am 100 percent glad that they didn’t mention the joker, heath ledgers version should be left Allen in honor, Nolan said he wouldn’t use the joker in this movie too, I don’t remember when though
3 robin John Blake, well, he isn’t just a wink, chris Nolan won’t be back for another batman he said so, they can easily have Bruce Wayne be back for the next movie (in hiding) while John becomes nightwing, maybe batman beyond but I doubt it (Nolan was going To make a batman beyond movie before considering batman begins) night wing seems totally more appropriate than robin! In Nolan’s universe nightwing can be little changed, he’s supposed to be gritty, and it’s about time we see him in a movie, haha.
Chris Nolan is actually producing the new superman movie, there is really going to be a justice league movie though, because of the avengers. They might rush it, or Nolan can save it. The teaser for the man of steel looked dark and gritty like Nolan’s batman, they could mention the incedent in Gotham, have lex Luthor starting business in Gotham, I don’t know, but I think a dark JL movie can be cool, make aquaman less gay ;p the green lantern might be rebooted but I think they could fix it in a sequel, like maybe he was away from earth when the bane incedent happened,
4) banes voice was goofy in the beginning, like the mayer in the powerpuff girls xD
5) cat woman was perfect for Nolan’s universe! Stunning, well rounded (if you know what I mean
seriously though)
6) bane is dead, no kne could survive that in the stomach, the Lazarus pit seams a little unrealistic for this universe too :/ so bye talia,
7) and I really wanted to see Arkahm asylum, at least once xD
1) I think the movie was amazing
2) I am 100 percent glad that they didn’t mention the joker, heath ledgers version should be left Allen in honor, Nolan said he wouldn’t use the joker in this movie too, I don’t remember when
I think we got the message the first 5 times…
I think a lot of people are over-analyzing the ending. Nolan, whether he writes/directs the next Batman film or not, he’s left us, the fans, some hope for any future films(if there are any). JGL’s character John Blake gives a nod to the Robin character, that’s all. It was clever & I liked it. He’s obviously NOT Dick Grayson/Robin & he’s NOT Nightwing. His character is the next Dark Knight as Bruce Wayne suggested the mask. BW is alive & living it up with his lady in France as Alfred’s wishes come to fruition. Anyone who thinks it was some sort of fantasy, it’s not. When Alfred describes this scenario to Bruce, he sees the back of some guy’s head & WANTS it to be BW. When the guy turns around, Alfred sees his face & it’s not Bruce. Meaning, Alfred wasn’t seeing hallucinations or having visions; he was hoping. He’s sane & hopeful, not delusional. When he actually sees BW & Selina, it’s them. We see that it’s them. Commissioner Gordon sees the NEW bat signal (you know to call Batman when they need him), John Blake finds the Batcave, and that blatantly suggests that Batman will continue. Anyone who thinks that’s not the case, is dense.
First off, I like the movie. It was good. The story was great and it was visually stimulating.
That said, I really just have to say, I like the previous one BETTER.
The previous DARK KNIGHT story was more compelling, grittier, and in some comical way, had you rooting for the villain. But the sacrifice Batman took in the end showed why he is the Dark Knight, and explains why he has to exist in the shadows.
This movie was more about the heroes of Gotham PD. They were the ones in the trenches, working to fight the army of Bane. BW had his own battle to endure, and his suffering cannot be understated, but the Gotham PD (including Gordon and Blake) in my opinion were the true heroes here.
The actual fight scenes were oft riddled with visual effects from the flying “The Bat”. Those scenes were convuluted and could have been shortened to give way for more fight scenes between BW and Bane, without the heavy garments.The fight scenes between Batman and Bane in their heavy uniforms was slow and heavy to look at. The fight scenes of Selina was more smooth and fluid, making her look like she beat up more villains than Batman did in the rooftop scene.
I have to give credit to Nolan though for the ending sequence where Talia admits who she really is and stabs BW. It was a good build up.
The actual ending though suffers so much for unnecessary deviation from the roots of Batman. Wayne Enterprise going under. BW suddenly deciding to leave Gotham for France and leaving his cowl to Blake(makes you wonder how he can continue being the Bat when there is no longer any financial and technological support for him).
Would love to hear what you think.
I thought of the ending as a deconstruction of the Batman Mythos. Basically, what true events could inspire the legend of Batman? So, you take the concepts back and see what the roots of the story are. In that way, it totally works.
The eight years later time frame just didn’t seem convincing to me in TDKR. Everyone looked the same, even the much older characters like Gordon or Fox. And the kids in the orphanage know about Batman when they are like 12 years old so they would be 4 the last time anyone had seen him. Not to mention that the 5 months of terror with the bomb slowly counting down and no rescue mission of any kind was attempted was strange to me
First off, I like the movie. It was good. The story was great and it was visually stimulating.
That said, I really just have to say, I like the previous one BETTER.
The previous DARK KNIGHT story was more compelling, grittier, and in some comical way, had you rooting for the villain. The sacrifice Batman took in the end showed why he is the Dark Knight, and explains why he has to exist in the shadows.
This movie was more about the heroes of Gotham PD. They were the ones in the trenches, working to fight the army of Bane. BW had his own battle to endure, and his suffering cannot be understated, but the Gotham PD (including Gordon and Blake) in my opinion were the true heroes here.
The actual fight scenes were oft riddled with visual effects from the flying “The Bat”. Those scenes were convuluted and could have been shortened to give way for more fight scenes between BW and Bane, without the heavy garments.The fight scenes between Batman and Bane in their heavy uniforms was slow and heavy to look at. The fight scenes of Selina was more smooth and fluid, making her look like she beat up more villains than Batman did in the rooftop scene.
I have to give credit to Nolan though for the ending sequence where Talia admits who she really is and stabs BW. It was a good build up.
The actual ending though suffers so much for unnecessary deviation from the roots of Batman. Wayne Enterprise going under. BW suddenly deciding to leave Gotham for France and leaving his cowl to Blake(makes you wonder how he can continue being the Bat when there is no longer any financial and technological support for him).
Would love to hear what you think.
I don’t understand all the comments I’m seeing, where people are unsure whether Bruce Wayne died. He didn’t die, it shows him and Selina Kyle at the cafe, clear as day. Why would any viewer think he died anyway? The autopilot problems were mentioned several times during the film, then we find out Bruce Wayne fixed the problems on the bat. This is automatically confirmed that when the device exploded, batman wasn’t on board. So where is the confusion?
I think people are second guessing themselves is because this is a “Nolan film”. If you’ve seen Inception, The Prestige and Memento then I’m sure you’ll know the endings of those films always leaves you with a few daunting questions.
Personally, I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s still alive (you mentioned all the reasons), but I can see why some might be thinking differently…
Personally, I think there will be sequels – its just too much damn good money not to. Think Harry Potter.
Nolan would have gotten away with capturing the essence of Robin in Blake during the revelation of his legal name. Robin as support – but in his case, a non-superhero support. In that 5 months, (specially when Batman was gone) it was “Robin” doing all the legwork.
But Blake discovering the Batcave opens possibilities. Logically, i think the sequel is Nightwing. No resources of Wayne Enterprises will make unable to do Batman missions. But the remnants of his arsenal/armory is enough to make him a Daredevil type hero who will go after organized-crime type foes. After the collapse of Gotham, its very probable a new crime boss rises in Gotham.
If they wanted to conclude the series, they would have not added the “rising Blake in the Batcave” scene, and would have just shown a nodding Alfred in the cafe – no shot of Bruce and Selina.
The auto-pilot was mentioned too many times to have no significance – BW is alive.
I loved it but I was just confused as to one thing…
If the goal from Batman Begins was to have Bruce Wayne be Batman for the short-term until he can give the city hope and a symbol to stand behind, why have a predecessor? In a lot of ways, I can see why: Batman was a symbol of fear, Robin a symbol of hope. The outbreak of Blackgate Prison needs to be taken care of, etc…
But if the people have finally found hope behind a truth (Not a lie, such as the death of Harvey Dent) and the cops finally have their teeth, why have another hero?
I know crime will always be there, all that, and John Blake was the perfect choice to carry on a legacy if anyone, but if the goal was met…why continue on?
Bruce moving on after saving his city was a great touch though. He couldn’t die, because in the film they kept mentioning that all he wanted was to die when there are other options, that he can still have a life of his own.
I thought it was perfect and I didn’t mind Robin taking the legacy, I just want to know if I missed anything as to why it needed to happen. Maybe there was a shot or a moment I managed to overlook stating why a predecessor would ever be needed?
Successor.
thank you, I was getting confused lol
Seen the movie and thought it was great but something bothered me, the prison was referred to as ‘hell’ but was no less harsh than a ‘fat camp’ with a wall to climb & why did those guys help Bruce Wayne so much, did they hate Bane & Talia that much? – I didnt see it. Also, above about the ‘death’ of Batman, Michael Caine was not hallucinating at all – why would they bother to go on about the autopilot of The Bat otherwise – and this is not a ‘made you think about it’ that Nolan does in most of his films, it was as obvious as you could get. Batman was in another vehicle, maybe ‘The Tumbler’ when The Bat was flying off over the water.
OK Here is my final judgment… this movie left me feeling it needed something else. it was alright. In the movie bruce and Ra’s daughter have sex, this was a love affair in the comics. In the comics she gives birth to his son Damian who later in life becomes robin. BUT, she “died” in the movie. in the comics batman “died” and night wing took up the role as batman in his absence and damian, bruce’s son becomes the new robin. later in the comics bruce wayne comes back to life and lets the two continue the role of batman and robin while Bruce ventures internationally as batman with catwoman. AKA BATMAN INTERNATIONAL, BATMAN and ROBIN comics. thats how I see the ending coming together. all in all Avengers was the movie this summer.
Just want to say that Alfred has probably gone crazy from grief by the end of the film. He says it himself at the beginning of the movie about how many times he’s had the same fantasy of BW having a normal life (he also confused strangers for BW). So maybe BW’s sacrifice just pushed him over the edge (understandable considering how much of an emotional investment Alfred had made, being a father-figure for the entire trilogy).
Plus there is no way (Nolan’s) Batman could have just escaped a 6 mile nuclear blast radius in under a second. From the way the movie is presented it just doesn’t make any sense.
The plot was clever, if slow, but the most obvious flaw I saw was that in a 164 min Batman film, there was only about half an hour of Batman!!! Fair enough we need to understand Bruce’s struggle but seriously! only a half an hour of Bats! Crazy!!!
Pros
Amazing special effects (Gotham stadium and airplane hijackings come to mind) plus the sheer scale of some of the fight scenes, many of which involve hundreds of extras, is just incredible.
Has probably the best cast out of the entire trilogy; Tom Hardy and Joseph Gordon-Levit are great additions and Anne Hathaway put in a better performance than I was expecting from her
REALLY impressive sets
Cons/Spoilz
Basically just cobbles together the plots of Batman 1 and 2 – the core narrative isn’t bad it just doesn’t stand out. The “8 years later” plot device feels unbelievable for everyone except BW; Bale looks older while Gordon, Fox, and Alfred have aged remarkably well, considering the youngest of them has at least 20 years on BW.
Anne Hathaway’s perfomance as Catwoman is certainly believable but lacks much in the way of personality. I found it very hard to be emotionally invested or even interested in her character. Maybe I’m just biased because I haven’t seen her in anything other than the Princess Diaries.
Movie felt way too long (clocks in at 2 hours 45 minutes) and apparently consisted of nothing but subplots within subplots, which is good for Inception but not in a film that’s meant to close a trilogy. A story’s quality shouldn’t hinge on length, especially when it leaves messy loose-ends (Blake, BW’s “ghost”, Gotham being a wasteland, etc.).
Too many (unnecessary) new characters that all end up competing for screen-time just so they don’t come across as flat while others get neglected (Gordon, Alfred, Fox, etc.). Alfred is gone for pretty much the entire film. The Batman/Bane/Talia love-triangle was far from believable, and the inclusion of Talia felt tacked-on and unnecessary. The Bane/Batman relationship seems to suffer because of this when it could have been the centerpiece of the whole film (a psychological siege of sorts); Bane’s death was inglorious and cheapened Hardy’s performance. All in all the movie would have benefited from a smaller, more manageable cast.
The ending felt very un-Batman-like. Parts of it just didn’t make any sense at all (Nolan clearly showing Batman blowing up when the timer on the bomb ran out yet still showing up in one of Alfred’s fantasies later on, maybe Supes bails him out?). if Alfred isn’t suffering from grief-induced delusions then this basically undermines the emotional impact of BW’s martyrdom.
Bane was so awesome throughout the movie then come to find out he was p**** whipped. Now if he was serving talia I could live with that only if he died a spectacular death. What do they give him? 1 shot from the Batpod and he’s gone. LAME
agreed
keeping batman “alive” at the end was a pure sequel-gimmick, even though Bale and Nolan made it clear they won’t be signing on for another film. the entire story is better if you just stop watching at the last 5 minutes.
Agreed. The best, artistic way to end the movie (trilogy) was to keep the Robin scene, but remove the Batcave scene. Final shot would have been Alfred just nodding, then the-end.
I disagree.
I thought the ending was fantastic.
It IS the last Nolan-Batman film (he won’t be making anymore Batman movies and they are rebooting it in a few years – people should start accept that), but just because the legend ended on the screen, doesn’t mean the legend can’t still live on in our hearts and minds…
The film is about John Blake becoming Batman. Without the last shot with him literally rising right before the title is shown, the movie has no true point.
Well, I wouldn’t say “The film is about John Blake becoming Batman.”
- That sure wasn’t what I thought the movie was about when I watched it lol.
Sure, John Blake MIGHT become the Batman (or Robin), but we’ll never know for sure… all I know is that it certainly wasn’t the only “point” of the movie.
Who motivates Bruce to revive Batman? Who discovers where Bane is hiding? Who has hope despite the odds heavily stacked against Gotham? Who does the footwork to rally all of the people together to fight against Bane? The answer to all these questions is John Blake. Batman is a side character to John Blake in this film and if he doesn’t go into the batcave at the end, one of the main arcs of the film is unsatisfied. There are two big ones: Can Bruce carry on with a failing body? and Who will take his place if he hangs it up? When Bruce “dies” it answers one of the questions, but without John Blake going to the batcave, it leaves a huge dangling thread.
I actually wasn’t enjoying the film much because I wondered where Batman was going to show up in this Batman film. Once it was revealed that he would be taking up the mantle, I realized that Batman was in the film the whole time – he just hadn’t taken the cowl upon himself, yet.
So, basically, I was confused until I realized it afterwards.
Convincing arguement. Nice counter-analysis to all those complaining of limited Batman screentime.
I agree with the Avenger, the ending is fantastic cause it’s exactly what the movies always talk about. BW always says Batman is a symbol, it can be anybody…a man can be destroyed, but not the idea of Batman. So seeing Blake walk into the Batman to possibly taking up the mantle of Batman after BW leaves is a fantastic way to end Nolan’s trilogy
I loved part 1, and hated part 2, but this weekend, I have it another shot, and re-watched both before part 3. I must say, 1 is still fantastic, and this time around, 2 was brilliant. Perhaps after making my own superhero short a few years back, I wasn’t able to enjoy part 2 as I was deconstructing it while watching – anyhow, time healed that wound.
Now, part 3, it was great, but different, and I think Batman was supposed to die, but the producers didn’t allow Nolan to end it that way because of $$$. Sadly I picked the last 2 twists a few moments before hand, but if one imagines the real ending, with Batman going down as a sacrifice, it’s more rewarding. Bane was good, but yes, the prison wasn’t hell at all!
Ignoring the fact that Bruce makes it back to the states in record time, and a few other gotchas, this is now one of the best trilogy of all time.
I must say though, at a certain moment, I looked for the exit doors, in case some other crazy fu&#ker stormed in with a death wish and I even checked to see if the table in goldclass could be picked up as a shield to storm the next mofo who goes nuts!
RIP Batman fans – I am sure they ran it for you again in heaven!
So what’s everybody’s take on Ra’s Al Ghul’s appearance?
Was it simply an illusion that Wayne dreamed up, or was there some sort of spiritual/mystical presence at work (like in the comics)?
Personally I think it was more than “Bruce Wayne just seeing things” because the things Ra’s told him were right all along – except of course Bruce mistaking the child for being Bane.
I think it was probably a hallucination caused by the pain of having pretty nasty spinal surgery (punched in the back and hung up) – it was also Bruce’s mind putting together the pieces of the web as ‘The Worlds Greatest Detective’ in the form of Ra’s who can appear in many forms. Perhaps those guys in the prison (I recognised Tom Conti, another chap from the UK) were feeding Bruce some other form of the ‘fear’ toxin to keep him alive and the drugs induced the visions.
You mean you didn’t see Leo in the background of that scene??
Haha! Yeah, chances are, Batman was Inception-ised with a simple idea… an idea that there was a man, a mercenary that turned out to be none other than Ra’s Al Ghul…
The film is about John Blake becoming Batman. The title “The Dark Knight Rises” shown right after the last shot of John Blake literally rising on the platform implies that The Dark Knight in this film IS John Blake. HE is the one rising at the end. The film is about him becoming Batman, because Bruce Wayne can’t possibly do it any more. I see some people had an issue with this, but it IS the point of the film.
Why do people whine about how the actors don’t seem to age? Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine haven’t aged much in the past 10 years if you look at the pictures taken of them in that time. Just watch Batman Begins which was made roughly 8 years ago and compare.
I thought the movie was great!! Despite all the plot holes.
But question:
I thought Lucius Fox was resigning after Batman’s cellphone sonar incident in TDK? Why was he still running Wayne Enterprises?
He said all the time the machine was there Fox would not be so Bruce destroyed it at the end of TDK and Fox remained within the company.
only thing that bothers me is whenever batman and catwoman talk to eah other.. i mean does batman really need to use that voice?? i mean he was talking already to someone that knows who he is ( i would be like ,, okay bt uhhm ca you spak with normal voice? its just you and me here) and second almost all people from gotham now knows who he is lke blake, commisioner, selena almost all of them.
What if someone else was listening in? Then they would know Selina was talking to Bruce in a silly costume.
Saw it. Loved it. I think the direction they went in was great. I loved TDK but a lot of people just wanted this one to have leo decaprio or johnny depp as the riddler trying to do their best heath ledger impersonation and basically have a hangover 2 situation….this movie does so much more. The ending when alfred sees him was amazing. I really thought he was dead until that last scene it was such a great way to end the trilogy. Ann Hathaway was the standout side character…she was as close to a perfect nolan style catwoman as possible. Bane served his role and even when i expected mereanda tate to be ras child the whole time, bane’s mythos was twisted perfectly so i was suprised when she turned on batman. All in all it was not perfect, but it was a great great ending to the greatest comic-book trilogy of all time.
When Bruce and taila slept together by the fire place, talia had a something on her back on her back….I think it’s the burning branding for the league of shadows. If you remeber “fake ” Ra was waring up the branding make for bruce in batman begins, right before they wanted Bruce to kill that man to prove his worth.
Yeah, that mark definitely had a purpose.
The thing that I don’t get is (and this is one of the more minor things that bothered me about the story), Bruce noticed the mark but never said anything.
If it was the mark of the League Of Shadows (which I really think it was), then surely he must have had some suspicion that Maranda/Talia had ties to the league…
I thought the same thing until I reviewed the one scene were the brand is shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUWQjpZ4RlA
The view of it looks like a circle with an upside down nike swoosh. I guess either he had a memory lapse or thought the mark would also contain an outer circle.
For everyone saying the Financial situation of Wayne Ent. I have a question… Did or didn’t Fox say when they first found out they went under that it could be fixed??? And that it would just take time? He said in plain terms that right now they have to bite the big one… So eventually they’d be able to fix the problems and wayne ent. would be back on the map??? Please someone correct me if I’m wrong???
That was in the middle of the movie, right after the Stock Market hack. Foxx said they might be able to proof fraud in a couple of months. But during the reading of the will, I think there was a line that said Wayne Enterprises is bankrupt. BW still officially had substantial money (I imagine less than 10 Million since his official wealth was given to the Orphanage and Alfred), but not the Bill Gates billions. (Also, I assume BW has hidden wealth, but again not in the Billions)
Again, correct me if Im wrong.
I think Nolan made it so that’s his ending. he’s done. Bruce lives on with selina, alfred knows everything is alright and Robin rises, but nothing more. No spinoff (other than maybe a catwoman)and if there was a chance for Batman beyond that would be awesome, but there probably isn’t. Nightwing would be just as awesome if not more! Sadly I’m thinking that was the end.
So the U.S government just leaves a city of 12 million citizens to the whim of a ,albeit strong but not THAT strong, madman and his tiny army? No Navy SEALs or Army Rangers? I understand that Bane acquired technology from Wanye Enterprises, but all they show in the movie are a few Bat-tumblers! It’s just a bit of a stretch, the whole 5 month thing!
Also, the prison did not seem all that horrible, just your typical high school gym class rock climbing wall and a jump that looks like it could actually be accomplished if those prisoners weren’t all so old and out of shape
ALSO, Bane should’ve been the main antagonist. Maybe if Marion Cotillard wasn’t such a horrible actress, I’d have more vested interest in the “twist” at the end, but sadly I did not. It felt unnecessary and haphazardly tacked on like a last minute English term paper. There was no chemistry, no point, no need for Marion Cotillard…..
Alfred abandoning his friend just when circumstances were turning dire just made no sense to me….
PROS:
Anne Hathaway was phenomenal as Catwoman but her potential was essentially wasted by limited screen time, but that’s understandable for a BATMAN movie
John Blake shall be inducted to the Robin hall of fame. He is a clever amalgamation of all the Robins in the Batman universe, yet he stands alone as a very distinct character, very fleshed out in spite of his limited screen time. Kudos to the invention of this character, Mr.Nolan.
Bane is a terrifying villain, whose death is, contrary to popular belief, remain UNCERTAIN. The rocket hit Bane, yes, but he did not blow up into a million pieces (as would happen in real life). We see his body fly off screen, but he could potentially be alive! What cheapened the character was the revelation that he was nothing more than Talia’s b**** but I’m happier just ignoring that that little plot twist ever occurred….
I think the movie was done as perfect as possible. I thought Scarecrow as the judge was odd but made sense. I think a Nolan Catwoman would finally put the Halle Barry one to rest but I think it was set up more for Robin, maybe Nightwing, and her story is kind of… redundant? And the ending made it seem like “John Blake” and “Robin” were both not his real name–a joke of Dick Grayson, perhaps?
I never thought Batman would die mostly because it would eliminate Christian Bale from possibly being Batman in the Justice League movie, even if Blake takes over as Batman, JL needs Bruce Wayne and whether the guy in the suit matters there is only one good Bruce Wayne, like RDJ is the only Tony Stark. Hopefully Cavill works for Man of Steel and JL will be off to a good start, Nolan and Goyer or not.
I dont want to hear your argument on this, just say yes if you think maybe maybe Batman died at the end and Alfred just had a day dream and batman yes fixed auto pilot but never used it
Great movie overall with lots to digest afterwards. The one sticking point I had was Bane’s uneventful death. Getting shot from behind by Cat Burglar Girl (the only reference to “Cat”), was weak sauce.
They didn’t really explain Bane’s past, and then discarded him like a Kleenex. I wanted Batman to rip that mask off of his face, or take him out with more panache.
Another question I have is, why does it seem that Bane never aged?
In the scene where it’s revealed that Talia was the child who climbed out of the pit, we see Tom Hardy’s face.
Now, in that scene Talia was probably no more than 10 years old which means that if she’s in her mid-thirties in this movie, Bane should be about 50 years old!
I doubt I would’ve missed something as huge as Bane aging slower than most people, so what happened there?
I think i was just prestiged.
The pledge- Batman Begins
The turn- The Dark Knight
The prestige- The Dark Knight Rises