Rating:
4.5 out of 5
Short version: The Dark Knight has raised the bar for the comic book superhero genre – it’s a Batman movie for grown-ups.
Screen Rant reviews The Dark Knight
It’s a funny thing about watching a movie you’ve been anticipating so much and for so long – you walk in with preconceived notions of what it should be like. This happened for me with Iron Man, and as it turned out that film nailed my expectations of what an Iron Man movie should be like.
However that very same sense of anticipation hurt my first viewing of The Dark Knight.
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Going in, while I was expecting an excellent film, I was also expecting something along the lines of Batman Begins – a superhero movie with more of a real world feel than your typical film based on a comic book character. That was actually one of the thithengs I really liked about Nolan’s previous movie – it was close enough to reality that I could really imagine a guy dressing up in a bat-suit to fight crime as shown in the film.
But The Dark Knight takes that concept and multiplies it. You’re not watching a superhero movie based in the real world here – you’re watching the real world and it just happens to contain a psychopathic criminal and a modern day samurai.
The film opens with a bank heist perpetrated by a bunch of guys wearing clown masks, and what seems to be the Joker’s initial arrival in Gotham City. The opening scene is brilliant and seems like it could have come right out of one of the “Bourne” movies. We also get insight into just how ruthless the Joker is as his henchmen have been instructed to kill each other after their particular tasks are complete (of course, they don’t know that they’ve ALL been given this instruction).
In a further demonstration of how much the Joker doesn’t care about or fear anything, the bank in question is where every mobster in Gotham City keeps their illegal cash – and that’s what the Joker is stealing.
Batman and Lieutenant Gordon are more concerned with shutting down the gangsters by choking off their funds than dealing with “just one man.” But oh, how wrong they are…
The Joker makes on offer to the heads of the crime families to kill Batman in exchange for HALF of their combined funds of $68 million. They scoff of course at first but soon enough they learn that they’ve gotten far more than they bargained for with our pasty-faced villain, who unleashes a reign of terror upon the city never before seen.
The Dark Knight is the closest of all the Batman films to one of the more mature reading level Batman graphic novels. This world is dead serious, and the Joker is no clown – he’s a deadly, dangerous, semi-suicidal psychopath who also happens to be brilliant. Now there’s a scary combination. Speaking of the Joker… Heath Ledger’s death was tragic, but if there was a role to leave as a legacy – damn, this one is it.
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I agree with Vic. Heath I thought matched the Graphic novel pretty well. Hell I thought he was a lot like the comics even a lot more than Jack. I thought Jack did an ok job but nothing spectacular.
Best Comic Film ever and ya I think Heath already wins in the supporting actor category. I’d like to see Bale and Nolan accept for him.
There were extremely minor things for me that were not bad but could of been different in my mind. However I think the length of the film was perfect. I don’t know how the content and story could have been cut to fit a shorter length.
Speaking of length, would you prefer a shorter Watchmen movie, or the 3 hour cut Zack Snyder wants? I think if its not 3 hours the story will be screwed and incomplete. Maybe they should of done the entire thing properly then cut it into two volumes separated by a few months (Kill Bill/Matrix 2-3 style).
this is unrelated to this thread ,
But i think he should just cut the film.
there are always DVDS.
5/5 stars a true masterpiece the best comic related FILM ever Ledger was insane,cute,clever,funny at different times during the film. He became the Joker and I wonder if that performance had anything to do with his passing?? He was truly unbelievable and his performance goes down as one of the greatest in cinema history. He will be sorely missed in the next movie. The plot was phenomenal and the rest of the cast was stellar. Eckhart was excellent as Two-Face and Bale is and always will be THE BEST BATMAN. That look the Joker gave Two-Face in the hospital was priceless. This movie could make $400 million by next weekend and I encourage all to go see it again especially in IMAX as I and many of my friends and family are going to do.
Right on Dave, this film IS the NEW Star Wars. Here we come Titanic !!!
I went to see X-Files today and there were lines of people still waiting to see TDK.
X-Files was half full at a 5pm PCT viewing… I fully expect TDK to be 1st , 2 weeks in a row , possibly 4.
X-Files was awesome, btw! Stay for the end credits !!!
The Dark Knight is great! Only beef- I wish that would have ended the Two-Face story when he walks into the bar and picked it up in part 3. If he did that this film would have been as great as any sequel ever made. Including The Empire Strikes Back. As is, it’s just a tiny bit to long. Still it’s the best comic book movie ever made! It deserves repeat viewings!
I saw this movie TWICE, and I’m dying to see it again! I agree, Ledger’s performance as The Joker was mind blowing. I must admit, when I had first heard Heath was going to play The Joker, I was BEYOND pissed since he hadn’t done the best work (IMO) and I wasn’t a huge fan of his films but after seeing The Dark Knight, I don’t think anyone could do a better job.
I liked how the movie was a lot darker than the earlier Batman films, and I personally think that Bale makes a better Batman than any of the other actors who portrayed him. Although, I do wish Dent as Two Face had gotten more screen time – it felt too short and I have mixed feelings about Maggie Gyllenhaal playing Rachel Dawes. I both did, and didn’t like her performance.
A part of me wishes that they either should have given Cillian more screen time or not have him in there at all. It felt incredibly random and short lived.
I want to see it in IMAX SO bad!
KEL’s review [b]is[/b] coming…
Brace youselves heheh.
Oh, BTW, good review, Vic.
Kel, if you write a long comment and it doesn’t appear, don’t get frustrated – it may get caught in the spam filter by mistake. But rest assured that once you hit “Submit” it IS saved and I’ll see it and publish it.
Vic
Just seen it. Still shell-shocked. Makes Batman Begins look like a Merchant Ivory garden party. With little marshmallow squares. Well shave my back and slap my sister, it IS worth all the hype. At 2 1/2 hours quite a gruelling experience. You are patently NOT going to bounce out of this one full of the joys of spring, humming the theme tune. Which is entirely as it should be. As the lights came up I felt battered. Pummelled. Drained. Exhausted. Like I’d been dragged off somewhere I didn’t particularly want to go to, then booted unceremoniously onto the highway and left to make my own way back. In the middle of the night. In the rain. And you know what? I immediately wanted to sit through it all again. Straight away.
Heath Ledger was astounding. I’m ashamed to say I’ve not seen anything else he’s been in – not even Brokeback Mountain. I’m going to keep an eye out now. His Joker communicated a desperate glee, a grim determination to live up to everything the Batman could throw at him. To be a worthy opponent. The tragedy being that the Joker really is Batman’s masterwork. The brilliance of Batman’s war on crime having unwittingly spawned a monster – given an equally brilliant but totally amoral man a newfound purpose in life. Ledger put across the nature of this symbiotic relationship perfectly, with a kind of inpired sado-masochism.
When the Joker first told the story of how he got his “Chelsea grin” I thought Oh no, they’re not going to give him some pedestrian “origin” are they? Alan Moore tried this in The Killing Joke. He almost pulled it off too, if it weren’t for the sheer implausibility and general dodginess of Batman “laffing it up” with the Joker at the end after the latter’s grotesque treatment of Barbara Gordon. Then when he spun a completely different version to Rachel at the fundraiser I realised that this was yet another layer to the character. Either story might be true…or they could both be lies. In fact why tell the story at all unless it’s to sow the seeds of even more confusion in the mind of the recipient? Plus giving us the audience further reinforcement that this guy is entirely credible but utterly unknowable. That’s great writing. As was the “magic trick”. That established everything you needed to know about the Joker in the blink of an eye. To quote Colonel Kurtz: “The GENIUS of that. The will to do that. Perfect. Complete. Genuine. Crystalline. Pure.”
Despite all this I still wouldn’t give him an Oscar! If Casey Affleck didn’t get one for his understated, mesmerising, spooky, conflicted Robert Ford in The Assassination Of Jesse James (ironically losing to Javier Bardem as Anton Nutter in No Country For Old Men), then you’ve gotta be harsh on Heath, brown bread or not.
I agree Dark Knight could use some cuts, though none of it was superfluous or unnecessary, and in fact had if anything a frantic pace to it throughout. I loved the constant sense of impending doom and the sick inevitability of the escalating events – all the players locked into an awful, inescapable cycle of mental and physical devastation. I can’t for the life of me think what could be edited down. I was impressed by how well every character was given their own screen time and how wisely they used it.
When the Scarecrow appeared – and promptly disappeared – I thought it a bit of a waste of Cillian Murphy. But then it started to make perfect sense. Because as scary as he was, and as pivotal a character as he was in Batman Begins, leaving him and the Sons-Of-The-Batman types tied up Spidey-style in seconds flat just emphasized how much Gotham was mutating into something new and terrible; and second-raters like Scarecrow now belonged to a different, more manageable phase of “psychotic criminality”.
On a purely anorak level, does anyone know anything about the Bat-pod or whatever it’s called? I gather it’s a real machine (though presumably CGI for some of the crazier stuff it did) that was so dangerous Christian Bale was banned from riding it for insurance reasons. My question is how on earth did they get something with such a long wheelbase and those massive tyres to actually turn at all? That’s exactly the problem they had on the Judge Dredd movie. They originally built something closer to the Lawmaster from the comic using aircraft tyres, and found the thing wouldn’t corner. Anyone?
“Makes Batman Begins look like a Merchant Ivory garden party. With little marshmallow squares. Well shave my back and slap my sister, it IS worth all the hype.” That’s freakin’ funny Dentist.
Ta Bruce! And that should be “inSpired” in the second paragraph. I also wanted to make the point that the way the Joker/Batman mirror image thing was handled was light-years ahead of the “I made you, you made me” nursery rhyme of the Tim Burton movie, or even The Killing Joke. That’s quite an achievement, to make even Alan Moore look like a rank amateur…
Something else just occurred to me: why didn’t William Fichtner simply spit that grenade out? The Joker should have taped it into his mouth, surely?
Yeah Big Dentist, there were alot of mistakes in TDK, but somehow the fans overlooked them.
Anyone that knows how a Grenade works has to laugh at the stupidty of that scene.
I can’t believe Dent woudnt shoot Joker in the hospitial, but my opinion means nothing to the masses.
Lot of hype, and I think alot of people can’t admit there were problems.
If you had been in that guys shoes would you have wondered about it going off if it went horizontal? Maybe he figured the only way he’s getting out of this one is if someone saved him. People don’t always think or act rational in a crisis. Does something bond to enamel really really fast? The thing was spring loaded to constantly push outward keeping the jaw locked and part of the device hinged behind the teeth.
I learned major mechanical parts not seen on the bike were hidden in the wheels. I know how it could be done but I’ve always wanted to use the design myself, which is why I won’t talk about it. If I told you; You would smack your head and say duh!
I don’t think there were as many flaws or problems as you would like to pretend. There were a few minor mistakes nothing major and they were few and far between. There was nothing wrong with Dent not shooting joker the point is that he had lost his mind and crazy people do crazy things. The point was that he wouldn’t react like a normal rational human because he wasn’t one.
Again Old Man, I kinda have an idea what your talking about but not really.
Daniel
Like to pretend ??
There was the scene in the bank with the manager and the grenade in his mouth…? (When you have a grenade in your mouth, unless your hands are tied up, your first reaction is too throw it out of your mouth. Not sit and suck on it…..)
Did you notice the scene where Eric Roberts character broke his legs (bigtime) when Bats dropped him, and the next scene he’s walking into his limo , no crutches, no traction…. (Did I pretend that?)
Batman and Racheal fall 50 stories but luckly there fall is broken by a cab. Ok yeah…his suits tough. Ok….?
The cops are on Full SWAT prisoner transport and they run into a totally obvious diversion and they just kinda say “yeah whatever” drive right into a trap ?? (Come on that’s weak script writing.)
The scene in the Hospital is the biggest prob I have with the film…
Here’s the guy(Joker) that ruined Dent’s career, killed his true love, and was directly responsable for kidnapping him (at rocket launcher point), and in result blowing half of his face off during his setup execution, and your telling me (Daniel Fenwick) he’s “lost his mind”. That’s the reason he DIDN’T shoot him ?
That’s my entire point Daniel, he(Dent) had lost everything, for him to skip out of the room with a renewed purpose to kill Batman made as much sense as him letting Joker live. Next thing we see he’s allready got the Two-Face jacket going on…? Did you notice that??
Now I’m NOT saying I hated the film, but let’s get real folks. Even for a comic book film that prides itself in its reality based drama, this film had some huge pot holes.
I found the ending that had Batman running from the law, after saving the police comissioners family halarious as well ,but whatever the film was visually stunning and overall fun.
@790 Great points, bud. There was nothing huge that knocked down my score but as you say, it wasn’t perfect as some people are claiming. Enough for me to knock a 1/2 star from a perfect rating.
Although I don’t feel as strongly about the Two-Face hospital scene as you do, when the flaming vehicle diverted them into the underground area that seemed pretty dumb to me as well. They could have sent a cop car ahead to clear the next intersection so they could stay on the surface.
Vic
Good points all! I still want to see it again as soon as I get some sleep!
10-4, Vic,
ask any Cop and he’ll tell ya, “unless there’s a crime in progress, they have all the time in the world”. That’s actually taught in al Police Academies.
The jail isn’t going anywhere.
The probs I have with a few scenes could have easily been fixed with just a few extra lines.
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Read on if you dare….
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The scene where the police convoy drives right past the burning Fire Dept, truck and the Cops look at each other like “sheesh man, don’t slow down just go down the tunnel into the dark underground hwy!”
The lead Cop in the main car could have at least grabbed the radio and called the Fire Dept !!!! Since their on the same frequency channels.
Hell the Fire Dept would have called in advance if they had one of their trucks in the way of a prison transport route ?
(This film really made the Police and Fire Deptments look like fools).
Ok the scene at the Hospital would have been better if Joker gave Dent the gun, but it was unloaded (change it into a automatic handgun) Dent could have pulled the trigger on Joker when he put it in his mouth!
Joker would laugh and laugh and as he left the room he tosses the clip to Dent.
We see Joker getting away, and Dent headed out the back door…..
That would have stayed true to the comics and made more sense…..
But hey, that’s just my opinion.
*possible spoiler*
Please understand that comments made in this post in no way disprove other peoples ideas, but rather, offer possible alternate rationalizations about human behavior.
About the assertion that Dent lost everything.. Two things he hadn’t lost, his life and his Integrity. They were put on the line when the Joker encouraged him to take revenge. Perhaps that would give him pause. To allow the Joker to break him, to violate his moral code smacks of the trial of Job in the bible. Could he go on living knowing that once his integrity was gone, he really would have nothing! Nothing would separate him from the Joker. Not morality, not justice. If he was going to throw those out the window why kill the Joker right then. Their were other fish to fry, other people responsible that were suppose to be on the right side of the law. He needed the Joker to remain the center of attention, to give himself the time to carry out his revenge on those others. He might even thought he could get away with it. Blame it all on the Joker, then kill the Joker when the time was right. The Joker would think he had achieved another milestone, because he proved everybody, given the right circumstances, were just like him. He had another plan when he eventually faced off against Dent again. As in the previous attempts on his life, he would take preemptive action. For further insights into the psychology of Dent check out the works of Kant or Aristotle on morality. The book of Job too, if you have the patience for it.
Inaction in crisis. Google that and you get 1,290,000 results. The proverbial deer in the headlights doesn’t just apply to deer. Most of those crisis that come up are ones that people have time to think about too. If you had a choice which way to die which is going to be less painful? A hand grenade in the head or shrapnel from the same hand grenade from four feet away? Did you notice that the safety handle was being depressed by the mans teeth? Depending on how the grenade is set it could go off a few seconds after its release or instantly. They do that to allow them to be rigged for an ambush right??
I dont gett it, how can they do two difrent Batman movies with the Joker.
The 1 movie was with the joker, and now the 5 one, i think its strange, dont they know about the first one???
I think its messed upp, they destroy the first movies, they dont conect with the resent films… hmmmm …bad bad bad…
The only scenes that I can come even close to agreeing with you on (790) are the Grenade and the big fall with Batman and Racheal. I think your blowing the Dent transformation way out of proportion and I don’t think you have even the simplest understanding of human psychology which isn’t a big deal most people haven’t taken an ton of classes in it. The human mind is so very fragile and a minor event can force people to react in strange ways now imagine a huge event.
They never state that he broke his leg from the fall first of all and second I clearly see him walking on a Cane with an obvious limp.
So you didn’t have a prob with the flaming fire truck diversion ? Besides 2face in the hosptial that scene was BS !!!!
Well, if you don’t see why Dent would have blown Joker (or at least pulled the trigger) away that’s fine. I don’t see your reasoning but that’s cool.
The scene with Eric Roberts, yeah I prob forgot the limp, but I do remember hearing bones snap and he wouldn’t be using a cane, he would be in intesive care. (Maybe in the same hospital that Joker blew up??
Couple of other things, when 2Face kills Eric Robert’s driver, the car flips over doing about 50mph. Before that happens it looked like 2Face takes off his seatbelt and prepairs to bail out of the car. ????
And lastly, at the end when Joker and Bats are face to face battling it out Jokers within inches of Batman, and Bats launches those flying darts at point blank range, the next scene Joker’s not even scratched. ????
Let’s face it, there were some problems. Personally I think if they would have kept the majority of Twoface’s story intact, it would have made more sense to save him for part 3, and not rush his begining and end so fast.
Well I’ll be da!?ed, I discussed this with a friend and that was a smoke grenade the Joker used, similar to this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_grenade.
He works for the fire dept. and said the bank officer was most likely paralyzed from the neck down, given his leg and arm positions, from the gunshot wound and his non-movement in the scene. He said since the thing started emitting smoke immediately after the pin was pulled, it was attached to the Joker’s hand by a small rip cord, that the handle Wasn’t against his teeth. He also observed that it’s possible that he spit it out, since the scene ended with the bus driving away. Those things generate a lot of heat, they would burn you good mouth and lungs if you were chewing on one. Just goes to show, you should always check before you speculate! Sorry Every one!
One final thought the Joker was armed so maybe the guy thought twice about spitting it out with him standing there.
@790
I agree with the others about Harvey Dent’s integrity remaining intact, if somewhat warped. That’s why he didn’t kill the Joker.
And you’re rememberin the car scene wrong: Dent BUCKLED his seat belt right before the car flipped.
Vic
AAk, I thought I saw the shoulder strap relax, like on a release! Give me a smiley cleaning his glasses.
Ok Old Man, I can live with that theory. Its a good one.
Vic, yeah I guess I see your point on Dent,(thanks for putting it in a simple way, that I could understand.
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I still would have written that scene a little different.
And the seat belt yeah I remember him working it,
Still there remains the other issues but overall it was a great film. !!!!
1. Performances-Heath L.-sunk into the role and disappeared. Maggie G.-owned her role immediately. Did not get what happened to her in the movie. She was the only connection, really, beside the Michael Caine character, to whom Batman could confide in and therefore, seem remotely breathing/alive. Batman could use some humor. Oldman-excellent humanity.
2. Plot – all the other email points mentioned. Lots of ? for me while watching – the tunnel scene-ridiculous-the police should have slammed on their breaks and driven backwards. 2Face-did not buy how his transformation was thrown in at the very end. That was too much new information at the end of the film to digest.
Did not buy how ineffectual Batman was overall, throwing punches? His power seemed to come from external factors, like his car, motorcycle, and his suit. Does the man have any intelligence of his own? He relies on externals to accomplish anything. The two boats – not needed in the story. Too much.
3. Mood-dismal, depressing, dark, unyieldingly bleak. Difficult to sit through this being so heavy all the time; perhaps that is the point of this movie?
4. Length- much too long. Could have ended a good 30-40 minutes earlier. Would have been much better, saving 2Face’s story for the next movie.
5. Muffled sound/dialogue.
6. Rating – 3 out of 5.
Oh-way too loud and too much violence. Can’t believe this received a PG-13. Absurd.
Are you kidding me fish? I can understand someone not enjoying the film, but most of your complaints are some of the worst reasons for a low rating I have ever seen. To much violence? Are you serious you went to see a Batman film and expected to see less violence? Any one who questions this movie receiving a pg13 really hasn’t actually thought it out much. The only gore in the entire movie was 2face other then that there were no graphic deaths little to no blood. There was no sexual ineudo, no nudity, no foul language. People were not sawing off their own feet sleeping with each other and saying F*ck every 10 mins. This movie easily received a PG 13.
You’re complaining that the movie was to long and to depressing? Are you a Adam West fan? It seems that maybe Batman And Robin is more up your ally. Less violent and not depressing at all… Unless your a Batman fan.
Fish: One thing, have you forgotten that Batman is not mean’t to be ‘Superhuman’, more superbly-human so without ‘Super-Powers’ of course he has to rely on ‘Externals’.
The discussions of Dent-Two Face have been very interesting, but has any one considering his ‘integrity’, considered one tiny but very constantly present symbol of a flaw in that White Knightly armour, the double-headed coin? Why does he always have to win the toss? What does that tell us about his past and what may be hidden? And was this the chink in that armour through which the Joker’s words slipped? The Joker[brilliantly channelled by Ledger] is the personification of the forces of Chaos, whatever humanity he once had long since fled in the face of whatever was visited upon him, the worst scars of which are clearly on the inside.He stalks the movie like a virus ,infecting everything around him, pushing the Bat Man to his limits,and in so doing forcing him to define his stance as the shadow guardian of a world that cannot see beyond Black and White and, unlike our two protagonists, has not had to look into the Abyss and make their choice.
The movie is a breathtaking wild ride, it was long, but I never stopped being rivetted, It nails it, this is a Batman for Now , all the rest are history.
And I mean’t to say Vic , thanks for a great review, I will def try and see the IMAX version now.And to most of the other posters, how nice to find some braincells functioning out there, I have skimmed over several other sites message boards on this subject and have been sadly dismayed at the lack of intelligent life forms out there, keep it up folks![ though I could do without the long discussions over box office figures-'its not about the money-its about the message'or do we have a high percentile of accountants out there?]
Oh hell… and I misquoted too- the geeks will have my ass, it was of course-”It’s not about money-it’s about sending a message”,guess a few of my brain cells have been wiped out somewhere along the line…
@Last Laugh
Thanks, we work hard around here to encourage intelligent discussion and keep out the trolls.
Vic
Everyone keeps talking about Ledgers performance of the Joker but I’d like to talk about Batman in the film… I… I hate to say it but I was a little disapointed by Batman. I didnt like the fact that his genius wasnt explored.. He was depicted as more of a mercenary/james Bond type who didnt come up with his own gadgets but had them made for him.. I like the mugyver Batman who could figure his way out metal sealed box on his own.
I also thought Christian Bales Batman just wasnt that good this time around.. Did his bat “voice” annoy anyone else? He sounded like an old man who had smoked and drank whiskey his whole life. I know Batman ahs to sort of disguise his voice but… jeez.
I just felt like Batman took the backseat in this one. They should have called it “The JOker”
Heath made this movie for me, and he’s why I loved it… I just wish I loved it for Batman too..
I wish I could combine Christian Bales Bruce Wayne with Keatons Batman… I think that would be the perfect Batman.
Hmm,
For me, Christian Bale really has created the Batman I had always imagined,He’s an actor with real weight,and I think gives him enough depth to make him much more than just a man in a mask,however I think in this film it is difficult not to focus on Ledger because his performance is so out there it takes your breath away.I thought Bale was fantastic in ‘Begins’ and look forward to seeing what he will do with the next one, sadly for him this one really is Ledger’s film, as they say, ‘the devil has all the best lines’!
I would have to disagree with you that this movie showed Batman’s detective side the most. Well, compared to the other live action films definitely, but definitely not more so than the animated series of the Mask of the Phantasm animated movie that I absolutely LOVE. Those definitely really captured his detective side much better than either of the Nolan films. His detective side was completely non-existant in the first one, and in the second one, it seemed like they threw it in just so you can’t criticize it for not having it. That sequence was completely outrageous and unbelievable in the first place.
The thing that got me about this film is that it took the show away from Batman. It seems that Christian Bale got a supporting role in the film while the Joker got the leading role, and Two-Face (I consider Two-Face and Harvey Dent separate) drew the short straw. Personally I would have liked to see Batman/Bruce Wayne have more of a role with his name as the title.
Another thing about this movie that got me was just how high brow it was. I felt like if I didn’t like something about the film, that means I was stupid or something. That was the impression that it gave. And while it was definitely one of the best comic movies of all time, I honestly feel that it should have received a little more negative attention than it got. I feel like people are afraid to say bad things about it with the fear that they would just be called stupid and not a good judge of movies.
And lastly, the pacing of the film toward the end was HORRIBLE. I agree with you Vic about what you said about the ending, and it’s not your fault, I’m sure everyone felt this way while watching it, but most are afraid to say it. So I will, the ending of the film dragged on. There, I said it. The movie gave you the sense of conclusion several times, only to drag on for another half hour.
And I’m sorry, but the whole speech from Alfred was way overdone, and how they kept trying to press that idea of how we should feel sorry for Batman because he’s being the “hero that he needs to be” blah blah blah. We really could have done without that, and I think the film would have been far more enjoyable to me without that. I always hate this whole self-pity BS and that is a perfect example.
Oh, and lastly, his batman voice was HORRIBLE! Someone bring in Kevin Conroy to do a voiceover please! lol
I agree with the rating though, 4.5 out of 5 seems pretty fair. It’s a definite must see. Sorry that it seems like I’m just trashing the film, I definitely liked it and have plenty of good things to say about it, but I feel like all of the good things have already been talked about by everyone and their mothers, nobody has the guts to point out its faults, so I’d thought I point a few out that kept it from being a perfect action/comic film for me.
Wow, some bad grammar in my last post, in the 10th hour of my 12 hour shift, kind of tired…
In the first paragraph, I want to clarify the last sentence. In “the first one” I meant Batman Begins, and “the second” refers to “The Dark Knight.” I really didn’t like the cop-out “detective” work he pretended to do in this movie. Finding a fingerprint on a bullet that’s been fired? Please… A more believable thing he could have done was measure the depth of penetration, compare to the known caliber of the round and path to determine the distance and angle of the shot’s origin to locate where the shooter was, find evidence there, perhaps the spent casing and lift the prints from that. Since you push down a round by its casing, not the bullet itself, and the heat and friction of the rifling in the barrel would destroy any fingerprint that could have been on that bullet. And what kind of round shatters anyway? It should have deformed, maybe the jacket would separate from the core and come off in pieces, but it wouldn’t shatter like the bullet was made of glass for goodness sakes.
And in the last sentence of the last paragraph: “so I’d thought I point a few out” should read: “so I thought I’d point a few out” There are others, but I will probably just make more mistakes in correcting them, lol.
OK though I may disagree with pretty much everything in your post I’ll avoid going over it all because we will just run in circles over and over in a repetitive argument instead I would like to only single out one specific thing.
I can certainly understand someone disliking the movie , but what baffles me is having so many criticisms to dislike so much about the movie and have so many complaints how can you give it 4.5 out of 5 ? Personally I would give it around there and I thought it was amazing however reading the things you say give the impression that you thought it sucked yet you go on to say it was a great film and 4.5 stars out of 5 ? Dosn’t seem to make sense.
Well it would make sense if you bothered to read where I said I was only mentioning the negative and not the positive since it’s all already been said. The problems I pointed out are very specific to certain parts of the film or very specific aspects of the film. There are so many things that define a film that if I were to mention absolutely everything that was good and bad about it, it would be several pages long. Most reviews are summaries of all of the individual thoughts in their heads about individual scenes. I didn’t summarize, rather I wrote out each individual specific thing that I thought wasn’t done the best since I knew I was skipping all of the praises, so it would still be relatively short.
Trust me, there were plenty of good things about the film. I liked the whole quasi-realistic world that the characters inhabit instead of the typical comic book world, I thought Heath’s performance stole the show, which is a positive and negative. Negative because it took away from Batman, but positive for the performance itself. I really liked the camera work throughout the movie, the effects and stunts were all great, the Bat-Pod first “popping” out was pretty damn bad ass on its own, lol. I love how they addressed the practical issues with things such as how stiff his face mask thing is, them explaining the new lighter more flexible armor actually made sense and is consistant with real world technology. I thought Two-Face’s effect was pretty well done, looked like what you would expect from the comic/animated series without looking fake or corny, Gary Oldman was great, as expected, and while on that note, him becoming Commissioner Gordon was pretty cool, I liked how they killed off Rachel… lol, sorry, but I’ve always hated that character! Anyway, I can keep going if you want me to be specific.
Lol I know what a review and a summary are. I bothered to read that part as well the thing was that you had so many negatives and they covered so many different parts of the film that I don’t see how you could possible give it a near perfect score of 4.5. With everything you said a 3 or even a 3.5 would of made sense but 4.5 is just short of perfect yet you gave a laundry list of mistakes or things you hated.
Every movie has a laundry list of mistakes and/or problems, even the best movies out there. My point is that nobody would dare mention any of them about this movie even though I know people are thinking them because my friends admitted they felt the same way about quite a few of the points I mentioned, but then they are quick to explain it away with whatever excuse they can quickly think of. If you want to see what I would write about a movie I actually don’t like, go read what I wrote about Terminator 3. And after reading that, keep in mind that’s only about 1/4 of the stuff I think about that movie…
Wow, just to point something out Dan, I only mentioned 6 things about The Dark Knight, I simply explained each one in detail.
1. The “detective” side of Batman was not properly addressed.
2. Batman was way overshadowed by The Joker (which is a good and bad for the film)
3. It seemed like the snob of comic book movies
4. The pacing toward the end was pretty bad. (A point Vic also pointed out)
5. Self-pity speech was pretty pointless and annoying
6. Batman voice was bad to the point that it was funny.
WOW, that’s what you called a laundry list?? Number 2 wasn’t even a “bad” thing, just something I didn’t completely like since I wanted to see more from Batman, and number 6 is just something I thought was funny in the movie, doesn’t affect the rating at all… The rest is what would cost that .5 out of 5 in my opinion. Mainly the detective thing and the pacing in the end would affect the rating, the rest don’t.
Actually I spoke with my sister over the weekend who is far more versed in the technical aspects of filmmaking than I am and one of her beefs with the movie was the fact that Batman was a secondary character in the film as compared to the Joker.
She said she LOVED Heath as the Joker, but a film should be about the hero, not the villain.
Vic
Of course it’s not perfect, and it’s perfectly valid to list stuff that bugged you, it makes people think.I also found the Bat voice a bit much and can’t remember thinking that in the first film. And the pacing did flag at the end, but to me that was minor.It was very much The Joker’s film, and maybe that is just because it was such an outstanding performance there was no way you could actually want to see less of it, but I hope the next film redresses the balance and Batman takes and holds centre stage again , In that way I can look at it like the middle of one of those trilogies where the Hero kind of fails and the Dark side appears to have it all their way. And I also hope that despite criticisms, Christian Bale will agree to do it again, because he has given him a real edge and a weight,That I haven’t seen before.
And call me a snob if you like, but I was pleased that it was more ‘high brow’, I have had enough of movies so dumbed down that they have less subtext than the average burger ad, I think it’s accessible on many levels, Analogies of ‘the war on terror’, mythic struggles of aspects of the human soul, whatever floats your boat, It may be based on a comic book but that doesn’t mean it has to be limited to child level scripting and structure.Give me more to chew over I say!
To be honest I think you think more people agree with you than actually do. If you didn’t like those things fine, but you just assume everyone has the same opinion as you but they refuse to admit it. They don’t. We all have different opinions hell some people hated and some people thought it was brilliant while some thought it was ok.
While I think they could of done more detecting stuff I didn’t see any problem with the amount they did and didn’t really have an effect on the film for me. I don’t think Batman was overshadowed I think the film was shared very equally and rightfully so. When the many movies are about one character it becomes time to push another one closer to the spotlight. I wish more comic movies would do it. I didn’t see it as snobby at all just because it was a smarter film doesn’t make it a snob film. I agree with you on the pacing toward the end it was odd, but not terrible just not great. Honestly I loved the speeches and the self pity aspect I thought it was excellent and fit perfectly in to the movie and characters. The Voice has been a constant complaint for many but personally I like it. Sure it will never be as good as Kevin Conroy’s voice but Like it I mean he has to change his voice as Batman from Bruce Wayne.
@ Daniel
I don’t know where I said that I think everyone agrees with me… In fact, I’m positive that’s not true. I am usually the non-typical person in a crowd. I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t like easy (slutty) women, I don’t like vulgar language, I hate anime, I hate Sushi, shall I continue with things that make you gasp with horror?
So thanks for being honest in thinking that you think that I think something that I don’t. (That makes sense, I swear!) But it’s a pretty irrelevant point since I don’t think that. I simply said that there are other people who feel the same way about SOME of the things I mentioned but they are AFRAID to admit to it. There, where did I say that everyone agrees with everything I said? If you find it, I’ll email you a cookie (maybe a recipe).
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