The Dark Knight IMAX Review

Vic ,maybe after more of us have seen it
you can tell us the few things you didnt like about it .
1 see it on saturday.

Saw this epic film last night in an easily sold-out crowd and as Vic, said a new bar has been set. I’m a big Ironman fan and was slightly thing think he would be the big film this year, but TDK will be king this year. Nolan takes the graphic novel(not comic book) and directed in a way that every adult Batman read DREAMED it would be… a Scorsese’s style, crime drama film!
IMHO, TDK is the iconic film of standards that once was own by the likes of Spidey 2, X-men 2, Batman Begins, and the resent Ironman.
IMHO, TDK is worthy of several Academy Awards nominations: best film, best drama, best support actor, best director, best screen write.
Heath Ledge is BRILLANT and difinently deserves an Academy nomination nod. Heath now OWNS his role that Jack N. once portrade. Jack N. was Jack N. in Joker costume, Heath is the JOKER, period! Aaron Eckhart is also excellent…actually the casting outstanding and almost flawless.

I could go on, but just really thought I’d give my 2 cents on this masterpiece. I’m willing to now admit that TDK will be 08′ #1 film and easily a top 5 mega-money block buster. Hope WB takes pride in the other DC main characters and BEG Marvel to either follow in the foot steps of Nolan or hire Nolan to take up Daredevil.

790, i know you literally said it with a wink but even with a record breaking weekend , TDK wont break Titanics record .

Gary, I meant overall it will make more than Titanic.
Over the course of the year.

I hope!

I vote Aaron Eckhart for Captain America!

Well if any film will beat Titanic I think this has a good chance.
TDK won’t just have a great opening, it will have a huge run during the summer.
Even overseas countries are gonna like this film.

This film has a super high rewatchability factor.

Nikki Finke reports preview estimates are 18.4 million for TDK .

Titanic was a phenomenon and TDK sounds like it will be a phenomenon..probably already is actually..time will tell but TDK will put a lot of @$$#@ in a lot of seats!! GO DK !!!

thats true about GWTW & SW greenknight ,
I meant nothings going to come along this summer .
I am sure TDK will do well
just not “TITANIC” well.

nikki Finke reports that the 18.4 million TDK made last night includes
a record 640K for IMAX theatres.
she is also estimating 60 million for TDKs Friday gross.

Like I said if any film will break Titanics record over-time, it could be TDK.
This film in reality could be the first 200 mil weekend film ??
If that happens the buzz will fill the seats in other countries BiG Time.

It prob won’t beat Titanic only cause that was the utimate chick-flick of all time, but this is fun to watch happen.
Should be a busy weekend for Screen Rant with Batman and ComicCon at the same time.

Gary Oldman was on the radio a little while ago and he said two scenes in TDK were shot by Heath Ledger!

Greenknight,I assume its from the start of the 1201 screenings on.
It was just a headline on Nikki Finkes website that said TDK:60 million Friday

i went back to Nikki Finkes website website the 60 million figure is from Warner Bros.
its not an official estimate, but they are privately saying they beat Spider-Man 3s 59.5 debut.

Nikke Finke is saying the estimate for TDK is between 64-65 million for Friday,
and yes that does include the 18.5 million from the midnight showings .

This is my last prediction,,,,, sports fans,,,,

60+ for Friday.
57+ for Saturday..
63+ mil on Sunday…

=180mil beating Spiderman 3……

It should break 200mil by Wednesday beating another record.

Well I just got back from the theatre, and after months and months of anticipation I have to say I was a little disappointed. Maybe because the last film was so great it’s hard to live up to Begins. The film was good don’t get me wrong but there were a few things that stood out. Heath was great as the Joker, Bale comes through again as well. The downside, the movie was on the long side, we could have done with Maggie G as Rachel, story is a little undeveloped, the transition that Two Face makes to become a villian doesn’t fit. All in all, good movie but I was expecting more.

I just got home from the matinee showing and I have to say that it was a great movie. I did, however, think it was a bit too long. Between the previews and the movie, it was almost 3 hours sitting in the theater. I had to go to the bathroom at the 2 hr mark and couldn’t leave because I didn’t want to miss anything!! I thought the movie started out kinda slow, but it definitely picked up at the end. I normally don’t care for Heath Ledger, but I have to say that he was awesome as the Joker. Bale is simply the best Batman ever. I’m only going to give it 4/5 stars because it WAS too long; parts in the beginning seemed to drag. Maybe if I watch it again without the thought of my bladder bursting open I will change my mind. I still like Begins better, though.

I’ve been eagerly waiting for this movie for too long. After seeing it tonight (non-IMAX this time, but next weekend…), I have to say I’d go with a 4 out of 5. I am taking Vic’s advice and seeing it a second time before judging.

My favorite scenes were almost all Ledger scenes, except for the Hong Kong capture. Heath is the man IMO, sad he won’t be able to reprise the role

Much more Killing Joke than I anticipated

My only problem with the film was how it all ended up with Two Face/Harvey. I won’t spoil it but I suspect most people know what I’m talking about at the end of the movie.

Best Comic Film ever and ya I think Heath already wins in the supporting actor category. I’d like to see Bale and Nolan accept for him.

There were extremely minor things for me that were not bad but could of been different in my mind. However I think the length of the film was perfect. I don’t know how the content and story could have been cut to fit a shorter length.

Speaking of length, would you prefer a shorter Watchmen movie, or the 3 hour cut Zack Snyder wants? I think if its not 3 hours the story will be screwed and incomplete. Maybe they should of done the entire thing properly then cut it into two volumes separated by a few months (Kill Bill/Matrix 2-3 style).

5/5 stars a true masterpiece the best comic related FILM ever Ledger was insane,cute,clever,funny at different times during the film. He became the Joker and I wonder if that performance had anything to do with his passing?? He was truly unbelievable and his performance goes down as one of the greatest in cinema history. He will be sorely missed in the next movie. The plot was phenomenal and the rest of the cast was stellar. Eckhart was excellent as Two-Face and Bale is and always will be THE BEST BATMAN. That look the Joker gave Two-Face in the hospital was priceless. This movie could make $400 million by next weekend and I encourage all to go see it again especially in IMAX as I and many of my friends and family are going to do.

The Dark Knight is great! Only beef- I wish that would have ended the Two-Face story when he walks into the bar and picked it up in part 3. If he did that this film would have been as great as any sequel ever made. Including The Empire Strikes Back. As is, it’s just a tiny bit to long. Still it’s the best comic book movie ever made! It deserves repeat viewings!

KEL’s review [b]is[/b] coming…

Oh, BTW, good review, Vic.

Just seen it. Still shell-shocked. Makes Batman Begins look like a Merchant Ivory garden party. With little marshmallow squares. Well shave my back and slap my sister, it IS worth all the hype. At 2 1/2 hours quite a gruelling experience. You are patently NOT going to bounce out of this one full of the joys of spring, humming the theme tune. Which is entirely as it should be. As the lights came up I felt battered. Pummelled. Drained. Exhausted. Like I’d been dragged off somewhere I didn’t particularly want to go to, then booted unceremoniously onto the highway and left to make my own way back. In the middle of the night. In the rain. And you know what? I immediately wanted to sit through it all again. Straight away.

Heath Ledger was astounding. I’m ashamed to say I’ve not seen anything else he’s been in - not even Brokeback Mountain. I’m going to keep an eye out now. His Joker communicated a desperate glee, a grim determination to live up to everything the Batman could throw at him. To be a worthy opponent. The tragedy being that the Joker really is Batman’s masterwork. The brilliance of Batman’s war on crime having unwittingly spawned a monster - given an equally brilliant but totally amoral man a newfound purpose in life. Ledger put across the nature of this symbiotic relationship perfectly, with a kind of inpired sado-masochism.

When the Joker first told the story of how he got his “Chelsea grin” I thought Oh no, they’re not going to give him some pedestrian “origin” are they? Alan Moore tried this in The Killing Joke. He almost pulled it off too, if it weren’t for the sheer implausibility and general dodginess of Batman “laffing it up” with the Joker at the end after the latter’s grotesque treatment of Barbara Gordon. Then when he spun a completely different version to Rachel at the fundraiser I realised that this was yet another layer to the character. Either story might be true…or they could both be lies. In fact why tell the story at all unless it’s to sow the seeds of even more confusion in the mind of the recipient? Plus giving us the audience further reinforcement that this guy is entirely credible but utterly unknowable. That’s great writing. As was the “magic trick”. That established everything you needed to know about the Joker in the blink of an eye. To quote Colonel Kurtz: “The GENIUS of that. The will to do that. Perfect. Complete. Genuine. Crystalline. Pure.”

Despite all this I still wouldn’t give him an Oscar! If Casey Affleck didn’t get one for his understated, mesmerising, spooky, conflicted Robert Ford in The Assassination Of Jesse James (ironically losing to Javier Bardem as Anton Nutter in No Country For Old Men), then you’ve gotta be harsh on Heath, brown bread or not.

I agree Dark Knight could use some cuts, though none of it was superfluous or unnecessary, and in fact had if anything a frantic pace to it throughout. I loved the constant sense of impending doom and the sick inevitability of the escalating events - all the players locked into an awful, inescapable cycle of mental and physical devastation. I can’t for the life of me think what could be edited down. I was impressed by how well every character was given their own screen time and how wisely they used it.

When the Scarecrow appeared - and promptly disappeared - I thought it a bit of a waste of Cillian Murphy. But then it started to make perfect sense. Because as scary as he was, and as pivotal a character as he was in Batman Begins, leaving him and the Sons-Of-The-Batman types tied up Spidey-style in seconds flat just emphasized how much Gotham was mutating into something new and terrible; and second-raters like Scarecrow now belonged to a different, more manageable phase of “psychotic criminality”.

On a purely anorak level, does anyone know anything about the Bat-pod or whatever it’s called? I gather it’s a real machine (though presumably CGI for some of the crazier stuff it did) that was so dangerous Christian Bale was banned from riding it for insurance reasons. My question is how on earth did they get something with such a long wheelbase and those massive tyres to actually turn at all? That’s exactly the problem they had on the Judge Dredd movie. They originally built something closer to the Lawmaster from the comic using aircraft tyres, and found the thing wouldn’t corner. Anyone?

Ta Bruce! And that should be “inSpired” in the second paragraph. I also wanted to make the point that the way the Joker/Batman mirror image thing was handled was light-years ahead of the “I made you, you made me” nursery rhyme of the Tim Burton movie, or even The Killing Joke. That’s quite an achievement, to make even Alan Moore look like a rank amateur…

Yeah Big Dentist, there were alot of mistakes in TDK, but somehow the fans overlooked them.

Anyone that knows how a Grenade works has to laugh at the stupidty of that scene.

I can’t believe Dent woudnt shoot Joker in the hospitial, but my opinion means nothing to the masses.

Lot of hype, and I think alot of people can’t admit there were problems.

I don’t think there were as many flaws or problems as you would like to pretend. There were a few minor mistakes nothing major and they were few and far between. There was nothing wrong with Dent not shooting joker the point is that he had lost his mind and crazy people do crazy things. The point was that he wouldn’t react like a normal rational human because he wasn’t one.

10-4, Vic,
ask any Cop and he’ll tell ya, “unless there’s a crime in progress, they have all the time in the world”. That’s actually taught in al Police Academies.

The jail isn’t going anywhere.

*possible spoiler*
Please understand that comments made in this post in no way disprove other peoples ideas, but rather, offer possible alternate rationalizations about human behavior.
About the assertion that Dent lost everything.. Two things he hadn’t lost, his life and his Integrity. They were put on the line when the Joker encouraged him to take revenge. Perhaps that would give him pause. To allow the Joker to break him, to violate his moral code smacks of the trial of Job in the bible. Could he go on living knowing that once his integrity was gone, he really would have nothing! Nothing would separate him from the Joker. Not morality, not justice. If he was going to throw those out the window why kill the Joker right then. Their were other fish to fry, other people responsible that were suppose to be on the right side of the law. He needed the Joker to remain the center of attention, to give himself the time to carry out his revenge on those others. He might even thought he could get away with it. Blame it all on the Joker, then kill the Joker when the time was right. The Joker would think he had achieved another milestone, because he proved everybody, given the right circumstances, were just like him. He had another plan when he eventually faced off against Dent again. As in the previous attempts on his life, he would take preemptive action. For further insights into the psychology of Dent check out the works of Kant or Aristotle on morality. The book of Job too, if you have the patience for it.

Inaction in crisis. Google that and you get 1,290,000 results. The proverbial deer in the headlights doesn’t just apply to deer. Most of those crisis that come up are ones that people have time to think about too. If you had a choice which way to die which is going to be less painful? A hand grenade in the head or shrapnel from the same hand grenade from four feet away? Did you notice that the safety handle was being depressed by the mans teeth? Depending on how the grenade is set it could go off a few seconds after its release or instantly. They do that to allow them to be rigged for an ambush right??

The only scenes that I can come even close to agreeing with you on (790) are the Grenade and the big fall with Batman and Racheal. I think your blowing the Dent transformation way out of proportion and I don’t think you have even the simplest understanding of human psychology which isn’t a big deal most people haven’t taken an ton of classes in it. The human mind is so very fragile and a minor event can force people to react in strange ways now imagine a huge event.

They never state that he broke his leg from the fall first of all and second I clearly see him walking on a Cane with an obvious limp.

Well I’ll be da!?ed, I discussed this with a friend and that was a smoke grenade the Joker used, similar to this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_grenade.

He works for the fire dept. and said the bank officer was most likely paralyzed from the neck down, given his leg and arm positions, from the gunshot wound and his non-movement in the scene. He said since the thing started emitting smoke immediately after the pin was pulled, it was attached to the Joker’s hand by a small rip cord, that the handle Wasn’t against his teeth. He also observed that it’s possible that he spit it out, since the scene ended with the bus driving away. Those things generate a lot of heat, they would burn you good mouth and lungs if you were chewing on one. Just goes to show, you should always check before you speculate! Sorry Every one!

One final thought the Joker was armed so maybe the guy thought twice about spitting it out with him standing there.

AAk, I thought I saw the shoulder strap relax, like on a release! Give me a smiley cleaning his glasses.

1. Performances-Heath L.-sunk into the role and disappeared. Maggie G.-owned her role immediately. Did not get what happened to her in the movie. She was the only connection, really, beside the Michael Caine character, to whom Batman could confide in and therefore, seem remotely breathing/alive. Batman could use some humor. Oldman-excellent humanity.
2. Plot - all the other email points mentioned. Lots of ? for me while watching - the tunnel scene-ridiculous-the police should have slammed on their breaks and driven backwards. 2Face-did not buy how his transformation was thrown in at the very end. That was too much new information at the end of the film to digest.
Did not buy how ineffectual Batman was overall, throwing punches? His power seemed to come from external factors, like his car, motorcycle, and his suit. Does the man have any intelligence of his own? He relies on externals to accomplish anything. The two boats - not needed in the story. Too much.
3. Mood-dismal, depressing, dark, unyieldingly bleak. Difficult to sit through this being so heavy all the time; perhaps that is the point of this movie?
4. Length- much too long. Could have ended a good 30-40 minutes earlier. Would have been much better, saving 2Face’s story for the next movie.
5. Muffled sound/dialogue.
6. Rating - 3 out of 5.

Oh-way too loud and too much violence. Can’t believe this received a PG-13. Absurd.

Fish: One thing, have you forgotten that Batman is not mean’t to be ‘Superhuman’, more superbly-human so without ‘Super-Powers’ of course he has to rely on ‘Externals’.
The discussions of Dent-Two Face have been very interesting, but has any one considering his ‘integrity’, considered one tiny but very constantly present symbol of a flaw in that White Knightly armour, the double-headed coin? Why does he always have to win the toss? What does that tell us about his past and what may be hidden? And was this the chink in that armour through which the Joker’s words slipped? The Joker[brilliantly channelled by Ledger] is the personification of the forces of Chaos, whatever humanity he once had long since fled in the face of whatever was visited upon him, the worst scars of which are clearly on the inside.He stalks the movie like a virus ,infecting everything around him, pushing the Bat Man to his limits,and in so doing forcing him to define his stance as the shadow guardian of a world that cannot see beyond Black and White and, unlike our two protagonists, has not had to look into the Abyss and make their choice.
The movie is a breathtaking wild ride, it was long, but I never stopped being rivetted, It nails it, this is a Batman for Now , all the rest are history.

Oh hell… and I misquoted too- the geeks will have my ass, it was of course-”It’s not about money-it’s about sending a message”,guess a few of my brain cells have been wiped out somewhere along the line…

Everyone keeps talking about Ledgers performance of the Joker but I’d like to talk about Batman in the film… I… I hate to say it but I was a little disapointed by Batman. I didnt like the fact that his genius wasnt explored.. He was depicted as more of a mercenary/james Bond type who didnt come up with his own gadgets but had them made for him.. I like the mugyver Batman who could figure his way out metal sealed box on his own.

I also thought Christian Bales Batman just wasnt that good this time around.. Did his bat “voice” annoy anyone else? He sounded like an old man who had smoked and drank whiskey his whole life. I know Batman ahs to sort of disguise his voice but… jeez.
I just felt like Batman took the backseat in this one. They should have called it “The JOker”

Heath made this movie for me, and he’s why I loved it… I just wish I loved it for Batman too..

I wish I could combine Christian Bales Bruce Wayne with Keatons Batman… I think that would be the perfect Batman.

I would have to disagree with you that this movie showed Batman’s detective side the most. Well, compared to the other live action films definitely, but definitely not more so than the animated series of the Mask of the Phantasm animated movie that I absolutely LOVE. Those definitely really captured his detective side much better than either of the Nolan films. His detective side was completely non-existant in the first one, and in the second one, it seemed like they threw it in just so you can’t criticize it for not having it. That sequence was completely outrageous and unbelievable in the first place.

The thing that got me about this film is that it took the show away from Batman. It seems that Christian Bale got a supporting role in the film while the Joker got the leading role, and Two-Face (I consider Two-Face and Harvey Dent separate) drew the short straw. Personally I would have liked to see Batman/Bruce Wayne have more of a role with his name as the title.

Another thing about this movie that got me was just how high brow it was. I felt like if I didn’t like something about the film, that means I was stupid or something. That was the impression that it gave. And while it was definitely one of the best comic movies of all time, I honestly feel that it should have received a little more negative attention than it got. I feel like people are afraid to say bad things about it with the fear that they would just be called stupid and not a good judge of movies.

And lastly, the pacing of the film toward the end was HORRIBLE. I agree with you Vic about what you said about the ending, and it’s not your fault, I’m sure everyone felt this way while watching it, but most are afraid to say it. So I will, the ending of the film dragged on. There, I said it. The movie gave you the sense of conclusion several times, only to drag on for another half hour.

And I’m sorry, but the whole speech from Alfred was way overdone, and how they kept trying to press that idea of how we should feel sorry for Batman because he’s being the “hero that he needs to be” blah blah blah. We really could have done without that, and I think the film would have been far more enjoyable to me without that. I always hate this whole self-pity BS and that is a perfect example.

Oh, and lastly, his batman voice was HORRIBLE! Someone bring in Kevin Conroy to do a voiceover please! lol

I agree with the rating though, 4.5 out of 5 seems pretty fair. It’s a definite must see. Sorry that it seems like I’m just trashing the film, I definitely liked it and have plenty of good things to say about it, but I feel like all of the good things have already been talked about by everyone and their mothers, nobody has the guts to point out its faults, so I’d thought I point a few out that kept it from being a perfect action/comic film for me.

OK though I may disagree with pretty much everything in your post I’ll avoid going over it all because we will just run in circles over and over in a repetitive argument instead I would like to only single out one specific thing.

I can certainly understand someone disliking the movie , but what baffles me is having so many criticisms to dislike so much about the movie and have so many complaints how can you give it 4.5 out of 5 ? Personally I would give it around there and I thought it was amazing however reading the things you say give the impression that you thought it sucked yet you go on to say it was a great film and 4.5 stars out of 5 ? Dosn’t seem to make sense.

Lol I know what a review and a summary are. I bothered to read that part as well the thing was that you had so many negatives and they covered so many different parts of the film that I don’t see how you could possible give it a near perfect score of 4.5. With everything you said a 3 or even a 3.5 would of made sense but 4.5 is just short of perfect yet you gave a laundry list of mistakes or things you hated.

Wow, just to point something out Dan, I only mentioned 6 things about The Dark Knight, I simply explained each one in detail.
1. The “detective” side of Batman was not properly addressed.
2. Batman was way overshadowed by The Joker (which is a good and bad for the film)
3. It seemed like the snob of comic book movies
4. The pacing toward the end was pretty bad. (A point Vic also pointed out)
5. Self-pity speech was pretty pointless and annoying
6. Batman voice was bad to the point that it was funny.

WOW, that’s what you called a laundry list?? Number 2 wasn’t even a “bad” thing, just something I didn’t completely like since I wanted to see more from Batman, and number 6 is just something I thought was funny in the movie, doesn’t affect the rating at all… The rest is what would cost that .5 out of 5 in my opinion. Mainly the detective thing and the pacing in the end would affect the rating, the rest don’t.

Of course it’s not perfect, and it’s perfectly valid to list stuff that bugged you, it makes people think.I also found the Bat voice a bit much and can’t remember thinking that in the first film. And the pacing did flag at the end, but to me that was minor.It was very much The Joker’s film, and maybe that is just because it was such an outstanding performance there was no way you could actually want to see less of it, but I hope the next film redresses the balance and Batman takes and holds centre stage again , In that way I can look at it like the middle of one of those trilogies where the Hero kind of fails and the Dark side appears to have it all their way. And I also hope that despite criticisms, Christian Bale will agree to do it again, because he has given him a real edge and a weight,That I haven’t seen before.
And call me a snob if you like, but I was pleased that it was more ‘high brow’, I have had enough of movies so dumbed down that they have less subtext than the average burger ad, I think it’s accessible on many levels, Analogies of ‘the war on terror’, mythic struggles of aspects of the human soul, whatever floats your boat, It may be based on a comic book but that doesn’t mean it has to be limited to child level scripting and structure.Give me more to chew over I say!

@ Daniel

I don’t know where I said that I think everyone agrees with me… In fact, I’m positive that’s not true. I am usually the non-typical person in a crowd. I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t like easy (slutty) women, I don’t like vulgar language, I hate anime, I hate Sushi, shall I continue with things that make you gasp with horror?

So thanks for being honest in thinking that you think that I think something that I don’t. (That makes sense, I swear!) But it’s a pretty irrelevant point since I don’t think that. I simply said that there are other people who feel the same way about SOME of the things I mentioned but they are AFRAID to admit to it. There, where did I say that everyone agrees with everything I said? If you find it, I’ll email you a cookie (maybe a recipe).

To be honest Ken to me it sound an awful like you were saying the majority of the world agrees with you. By saying they are simply to afraid to admit it. I think the vast majority are honest with your opinion and you just wish more people agreed with you. I think the people who give an opinion on this movie mean what they say and aren’t afraid to tell the truth.

I should also say , I have no special interest in seeing ‘Terrorism’in everything,[before someone mentions that] .It’s just an interesting angle , As is the Mythic, what about Tricksters, In many cultures they are the ones which through anarchic , rule breaking behaviour, warped humour and malicious and often lethal tricks[think 'Coyote' or 'Anansi']teach the ‘Hero’ who and what he really is, Batman’s encounter with the Joker defines him in a way no other really could,because he’s no one dimensional character, and in a way, as he claims, ‘not crazy’ and ‘just ahead of the curve’ He is supremely clever at unravelling people and holding a mirror up to their weaknesses.It’s his only reason to live, like any Trickster worth his salt. :}

“My point is that nobody would dare mention any of them about this movie even though I know people are thinking them”

“I feel like people are afraid to say bad things about it with the fear that they would just be called stupid and not a good judge of movies.”

In my last post that’s exactly what I said that you said. Look there it is right there in quotes copied and pasted from your posts. I’m by no means a fanboy I don’t care if you don’t like certain aspects of the film. I simply don’t like you assuming that there are a bunch of people who agree with you but are afraid to admit it.

Sorry Vic if it seems like it’s going back and forth, but I’m really not even arguing with him. I am sincerely trying to let him know that he can tell himself whatever he wants to, but he insists on trying to tell me what I meant by what I said, as if I don’t know myself or something, lol. I don’t know, somehow he feels like what he’s saying is so complex that somehow I’m not understanding it. I understand exactly what he’s trying to say, it’s simply not the case, but I’m not about to tell him he can’t misinterpret things if he really wants to. Heck if I care, don’t know why he keeps pressing it, not sure what response he wants from me, I’m not trying to stop him from thinking whatever he wants to think.

Well, I really have nothing further to say, so if he wants to keep pressing the matter, I’ll just respond with “*knod* whatever you say.” I guess I probably should have done that from the beginning huh Vic. Sorry I didn’t think of that earlier.

Lol, don’t start that again…