So, considering my review of Cloverfield are you surprised that I don’t like the idea of a Cloverfield sequel?
Here’s the deal: I’m not opposed to a sequel - as a matter of fact I think this has the makings of a great franchise for at least another couple of movies. Kind of our very own Godzilla.
What I do believe is a bad idea is what the film’s director, Matt Reeves, may be kicking around as the concept for Cloverfield 2:
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“While we were on set making the film we talked about the possibilities and directions of how a sequel can go. The fun of this movie was that it might not have been the only movie being made that night, there might be another movie! In today’s day and age of people filming their lives on their iphones and handy cams, uploading it to YouTube… That was kind of exciting thinking about that.”
Matt, if you get to be the guy who makes the sequel I would highly recommend that you go in a completely different direction.
The hand-held digicam point of view concept is cool the first time you use it, but I’m telling you: If the sequel is based on the exact same events but from yet another point of view it will tank.
Badly.
The only thing that gives me hope in the statement above is that Reeves states that it is only one of many possible directions they discussed for a sequel.
Remember how awesome the original Alien by director Ridley Scott was? It was groundbreaking, fantastic and did amazingly well at the box office. And then James Cameron came on board for the sequel and instead of continuing down the same road he took the story in a completely different direction, and that turned out to be a brilliant decision.
I suggest that Reeves, Abrams and Paramount take a lesson from that page in movie history while they consider a Cloverfield sequel.
Source: Bloody Disgusting via First Showing
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Don’t even put it in the same breath as Aliens. No, Cloverfield wasn’t terrible. But we’re still not talking about Aliens quality here.
I was just making the analogy to show how completely different the first was from the second yet how they were both excellent each in their own way.
Vic
A Sequel? HELL YEAH!!! There’s enough room in the storyline for that to happen. Who said that the (quaint spoiler here) creature coulda, shoulda, woulda been killed in the end? Not that that happened (for those of you who hasn’t seen it yet)? A sequel would be an appropriate way of explaining a few more things not answered in the movie.
CLOVERFIELD 2: WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?
Exactly! This movie left people dying for answers and more of the monster. I think that’s what the next film should deliver.
Vic
Gotta think outside that box a little, I think, Vic.
If another bunch of people are filming an experience of their own that night, it hardly means the events and story beats are going to be the same. I mean, New York isn’t a small, one-horse town… and that monster’s there for many hours.
A) The character arcs could be any number of things.
B) The proximity to events could be totally different.
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C) Different perspectives could add new clues as to what exactly was going on and - for that matter - whether the closing event of the first film even worked.
I, for one, didn’t think ‘Cloverfield’ was really that amazing and likely won’t see it again… so I don’t really care that much… but I do think it was very cleverly made and wouldn’t be so quick to discount the filmmakers’ intelligence.
PS: I did like the film a lot and truly enjoyed it… I just don’t think it’s the best thing since sliced bread, as most of the world’s population appear to at the moment.
Now that they’ve whetted people’s appetites, those same people are going to want answers.
It wouldn’t have the same impact a second time.S
Vic
One thing that popped into mind when Vic and MBL mentioned explaining what it is/was in a sequel, is how they did that in both the Matrix sequels, and they really stunk up the joint.
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I think this is a much more basic concept.
Vic
Vic, this “other perspective” approach is what I was getting at when I wrote this on the Review page:
>>Now that I’ve seen it, I’m wondering what the DVD features will be….how about deleted scenes filling in “prequel” or “sequel” information?
Or videotapes from other sources not as extensive.< Other sources meaning, other hand cams or cell cams …maybe bits & pieces.
Don’t knock the alternate point of view “sequel” too much. It worked with Luke, Mark, and John.
Vic
Hey Vic, speaking of gospel truth–what’s with this headline? It doesn’t describe what you say below. Are you trying to attract the attention of even MORE hapless Googlers?
Hey Vic I had no idea that the director had the same idea as me as I posted on the reviews about the poss. sequel, this truly is a YouTube type experience. I expect more films shot this way soon.
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(This is the first time I’m reading this post tonight).
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Oh and by the way MBL , I laughed hard when I saw your title: “Cloverfield 2 What the Hell was That” very funny !!!
IMO, they could go several different ways on a sequel. I’m sure there going to now…
I’m going to go against popular opinion on the board and cast my vote for “no sequel whatsoever”.
Guys, this film worked really well precisely because we knew so little about the creature. And if we’re talking about just doing the same thing with different New Yorkers, what’s the point? The characters are window dressing here. This movie was all about the experiencing the attack, and quite frankly I don’t think they could do any better than what we’ve already seen. Anything more will only rehash and repackage, thus destroying the uniqueness of this film.
Can’t we all just treasure this film for its uniqueness and not press for more of the same? Vic is right in saying that the handycam technique won’t pass muster a second time. It would have been too much if this movie went on for even a few minutes more.
The other alternative is expanding the focus of the film onto the military, reporters, and scientists but then we’re back to Godzilla circa 1998 and we really don’t want to go back there.
This movie is lightning, and it ain’t gonna strike twice.
We don’t need more answers. I don’t even want a clearer image of the monster. The backstory and all the other particulars can’t measure up to what the mind will fill in the blanks with.
Can’t everyone see how much fun people are having just speculating on what it is, where it came from and why its on a rampage? All that mystery disappears when we have it all spelled out for us.
This isn’t the kind of movie where answering questions brings satisfaction, it’s the kind where asking them brings entertainment.
I never thought I’d be saying these things a few weeks ago, when somebody spilled the beans that the movie wouldn’t have a proper resolution or explanation. I thought, quite frankly, that it would suck. I lowered my expectations. But after seeing it, I understand completely how not revealing information made it better.
I really hope they don’t make a sequel. If they do, I probably wouldn’t want to see it for fear of spoiling the original - which could easily happen under these circumstances. Remember “Blair Witch - book of secrets”? I believe the foulness of that one stained any positive memory of the first.
Sometimes guys, less is more.
Yea Jersycajun, I think I’m beginning to agree with you that this was a unique event.
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Very good points, very good indeed.
Jerseycajun, you’ve just about sold me. I know lots of us felt the same about Journeyman, after some reflection. We would have liked more, but it concluded with class and dignity. Then again, Journeyman also delivered a FEW answers toward the end.
Would you say some juicy DVD extras like supplemental footage (oil rig video) on the DVD would wrap this in a bow?
To get back off topic :-), I must say the ambiguity works for a self-contained movie, but Abrams better not leave us cold when LOST runs its course. (Then again, Abram’s price tag just went up exponentially…can ABC sustain the show?)
Jim,
I think supplemental footage is fine as long as it maintains the element of the unknown (and ditches the handycam - maybe an oil rig security camera? Do they have those on oil rigs?) You could even include some of the initial news reports of the attack (because they didn’t know anything either while it was going on) and some less extensive (a couple minutes a clip) handheld footage taken by other New Yorkers (maybe even make them Japanese tourists for a neat twist).
The same goes for including cut footage under bonus features as long as it’s not too expository.
(Dvd Cloverfield)
I would love to see these as Bonus Features on the dvd.
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ALL the Breaking News clips should deffinitly be in the special features…
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Spycam from the supertanker would be amazing as a short bonus feature.(Reminds me of a Dawn of the Dead, bonus dvd film) that was awesome.
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Bonus handheld footage from Japanese tourists would be ironically cool.
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All cut footage would be a must.
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Bloopers!
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Commentaries of course. I would love to hear a Hud commentary. And the Director. Maybe even Abrhams.
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Another docu-drama short feature.
The Armed forces point of view of the attack..
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The Creature. How it was disigned. Etc.
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its going to have to be a 2 disc version. Haha.
CLOVERFIELD 2: STAND STILL DAMIT!!
CLOVERFIELD 2: WHO LEFT THE CAT DOOR OPEN?
CLOVERFIELD 2: I HATE CONEY ISLAND
CLOVERFIELD 2: BATMAN RETURNS
CLOVERFIELD 2: FLEA COLLARS REQUIRED
Had enough? I did.
I agree that it would be great if this was a one-shot, but it’s inevitable that there will be a sequel IMHO.
Let’s just hope it’s not “Blair Witch 2.”
Vic
You’re probably right, Vic. Low cost + high revenue = guaranteed sequel.
If one comes out I’ll have to pretend it doesn’t exist.
The fun mystique of this film is like a fragile balloon and Hollywood is holding a very large needle and grinning malevolently.
Would it be considered too odd if fans of Cloverfield started a petition to NOT to make a sequel?
Believability is the problem.
How many people are going to be recording this thing while they are running for their lives ?
I was really, really disappointed by Cloverfield. Other than the monster being totally killer (no pun intended!), the camera work and the horrific ending (not to mention the dragged out opening sequence), really ruined this movie for me. I loved the idea of the first person, but this being Hollywood, they COULD have just used regular filming techniques!! I wouldn’t be averse to a sequel, but DO NOT use the digicam view again. If it does, I will NOT be going to see it.
SPOILER
Did anyone else roll their eyes after these traumatized kids ran all around and under the city, THEN scurried up and down forty flights? All th while in the tunnels, streets, and stairways they didn’t encounter a single wounded, trapped, or abandoned person asking for help. One surprise–I would have bet that when they busted down the door to the apartment, it was going to be a ragged edge of floor and open air.
Gary,I think this film is going to spark alot of people to go out and get a handheld camera.
As a matter of fact there going to start asking “what model was used by Hud in Cloverfield”.
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Life imatates Art these days and IMO alot of fans of this film are going to be seeking out disasters, ufo invasions , etc. So they can make there own Cloverfield or at least try.
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This movie has created a Monster!
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I bet handheld camera sales are allready up.
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And on the industry side, STEADY handheld techonology IS being developed for consumers…
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Its a new day!
A Cloverfield 2? Maybe. Helmet cam for a soldiers point of view? Maybe in part, certainly not the whole movie. My thought is that the monster came from space–that brief glimpse of a distant splash on the last little Coney Island bit–it is actually an organic spaceship/warmachine. The “alien invaders” are the “lice” or “babies” that drop off all the time. Something so completely alien that we can not even recognize what they want of “if” they “think” as we understand it. Anything along that line would need a completely different technique from the first Cloverfield, but it could be done and done well enough to make the first film seem like a 84 minute commercial.
“Falling off like lice.” I’ve seen a few references to this. Is this yet another thing I missed, or is this based on the web illustration of the big and little monsters that I saw somewhere?
Mmmmmmm good points Thorrsman! I like that sequel concept!
I think they should make a sequel,but lets the aftermath. How they kill it, how EXACTLY it happened, what did the President do, how many die. Plus, I thought Lily lived. She got on that other helicopter
I hope Lily didn’t die, here beauty should live on!!
Vic,
It’s just a flesh wound!
Shields up……
Mr Sulu ready Phasars……….
Open a channel…..
Hey Saad, interesting opinion.
However if you don’t like Vics reviews why do you still post here?
i dont ask for alot from the second part just integration of the on line ARG or it can pick up the other caracters that we know but were not in the movie, such as jamie and teddy (wich would be use of the ARG) also no all hand held but could used some to recap or have that special coneciton to the original
Vic, I quoted back Monty Python because there was a Movie Quote up in the corner from another scene in (Holy Grail), about some beast…I thought you attached it to this page as a gag. Apparently the quote changes when the screen is refreshed.
I have over a hundred favorite movie quotes that cycle through randomly.
Vic
You’re dead on man,
Another handicam thing would be foolish and a failure
What they should do is a traditional movie style of a sequel more in a godzilla style. Or better yet, during the same events as the first cloverfield but from the army’s perspective evacuating, combatting and seeing what happens to the monster after it finishes of the 6 characters of the first film. In that movie you could see a little bit of crossover and have the original characters make a cameo, like when the helicopter takes one of them away or at the hospital where we see a little bloody explosion
Precious little tiny baby monster?
Seed for a requel (?) already planted?
Coming Soon quotes Matt Reeves:
>>The key to it is that the monster was a baby. The monster was suffering from separation anxiety and was absolutely disoriented and pissed, “where’s mommy?”, and terrified.>There’s a moment on the Brooklyn Bridge, and there was a guy filming something on the side of the bridge, and Hud sees him filming . . . and then he turns back and this guy’s briefly filming him. In my mind that was two movies intersecting for a brief moment<
Jim do you mean that the big monster was the baby or the little bugs that fell off?
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Can’t believe you noticed another guy with a camera on the bridge. Very cool!
I think they should do the same thing just with other different people. Someone else recording during that same time with their camera in another place and how they handled the situation.
Steve, those are not my observations! I quoted from one of the directors, interviewed on another website. I didn’t put the URL but you can look it up if you refer to my post.
What Reeves called a baby is “the monster.” (Although, could it be a scam interview?)
PLEASE ANSWER. Where are people getting this “fell off” business? I didn’t see anything “fall off” nor do I know where in the movie this happened. But then again, I missed a lot.
Holly four leaf clovers Jim, that’s a baby……let’s hope an only child.
Man if that thing gets any bigger it can just start hopping to other planets. I’m mean jessh. That thing has a sister and it shows up here in LA it would start all kinds of earthquakes.
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The falling off comments are I believe when we go into the electronics store and Hud points to the tv’s showing the news reports. There’s one live report that shows the little creatures falling off the legs of Clover. and attacking the military.
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Jim Carey, the “falling off” thing refers to the very last scene when Rob and Beth are on Coney Island (sp?) and in the background, on the horizon something falls into the ocean.
Thanks Steve–I sure didn’t see that.
Nate, I’ve seen that description. Matt Reeves underscores it. Could it be Mama? A predator or hunter? Klaatu barada nikto?
Action figure now on sale:
http://screenrant.com/archives/screen-rant-movie-news-grab-ba-1304.html
I just bought it–I won’t be charged until late September or so.
heath
In the electronics store, Hud sees a news broadcast of “lice” falling off the monster and attacking soldiers. Those were the same things that attacked the group in the subway and you can see them dropping off as the monster reaches down to chomp Hud.
Spoliers ahead lookout !!!
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Jim, the “lice” as some are reffering to that fall off,,, look alot like baby Clovers…. dant dant dahh….!!!
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One thing also, at the end I didn’t see any more of them falling off Clover when he was in front of Hud.
I was even looking for them… I’m thinking this is the way it reproduces. (I’m sure sombody somewhere is saying, duh?).
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If these are babies I can see a long film franchise ahead…good or bad you decide.
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One concept I’m going to throw out for your review:
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«Cloverfield 2»
Would be 2 stories
filmed with supposed hightech military handhelds.
(This would get rid of alot of the motion sickness problems and also provide some great shots. I mean were talking footage from the front lines of the battle. The miltiary has camera
Corps that does just this in real life…
Why not give us 2 really great troop stories tyed into each other with footage of the cast from the first film blended in…
Maybe one story could be the Navy retriving the sphere or trying…
The other one could be who knows, there’s 20 minimum different roads to go down…
I leave it to you out there to fill in the 2 stories…
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I forgot I’m driving….
Jim one thing that makes sense about that quote from the director is that possibly the main monster was having seperation woes with all the little Clovers it was dropping.
I think a sequel would be very interesting to see. I would love to see the millitary’s take on Cloverfield, and learn where it came from.
Wow did I just see Stan-Lee and Bearacid on this post!!! Awesome.
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Movieguys.org is a great site!!
Spoilers…
If the lice are babies, then this movie’s a bit more like Roland E and Dean D.’s Godzilla!
heath
JJ Abrams said:
“He’s a baby. He’s brand-new. He’s confused, disoriented and irritable. And he’s been down there in the water for thousands and thousands of years.”
http://goneelsewhere.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-cloverfield-but-were-afraid-to-ask/
The directors aren’t talking about lice.
The hint is that an ancient egg recently hatched.
Yeah I gotch Jim but that contradicts the falling sphere ending.
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Steve, how are you interpreting the falling sphere?
Sorry for the delay in answering Jim, I will admit that I didn’t see the sphere fall into the sea while watching the film Cloverfield. (Too stunned at the ending).
But from what I can tell from other Screenranters is that this creature came from outerspace. Therefore it can’t be a creature that has been sleeping for thousands of years.
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What am I missing?
Btw, what’s this Lake Placid 2 dvd, with Cloris Leachman I’m there.
!!!!!!! Since I can’t see it in theatres I’m totally buying this dvd. !!!!!
When the **directors of Cloverfield** explain the monster, it takes precedence over fan theories.
Did anyone check the URLs I provided earlier? I’m not an uber-fan. Are those hoax interviews?
Abrams & Reeve have explained some things about the monster (baby, deep sea, thousands of years old) while creating mystery about the falling object.
This is SO like Lost.
Well Jim I hear ya, but what do you think that sphere was that hit the water in just the perfect last 4 seconds of the film. ?
I think they should do it from the aspect of a soldier this time around.
This would allow us to see more the monster and perhaps there could be a scene where he/she overhears some of the brass talking about what it is.
Going back to the article poster’s idea though:where would they take it?Researchers examining the site? The discovery of more cloverfield monsters?Or perhaps the little spider things moved beyond Manhattan and the story could have something to do with that?
I like the idea of multiple perspectives though but not from another civilian.We already see how it affected a bunch of unwary citizens so how about we see it from the perspective of those who had to run to the monster instead of away from it?
I think it would be awesome if they made a second Cloverfield movie…but instead they should just bypass putting it into theaters and post it on youtube. Kinda like there was someone else filming that night, and they survived and were able to tell their story on the internet.
Nigel this will happen in the future. Films will be distributed on the medium that is the web.
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This is the base point of the WGA right now and the reason theres this writers strike.
Good idea Nigel.!
Off topic, but I noticed that ABC has at least half of S1 of Lost viewable online. I didn’t think any network did that after a season was over, or especially after DVDs were out. (Except summaries or maybe the cliffhanger from the previous season). Maybe after management sign the writers up again, they won’t do this at all (to save money)?
I guess it’s to “Jin” up interest before the new quarter season starts up?
Remember this post Jim, when the Writers strike is over you can kiss free internet tv shows goodbye.
There putting this out for free because they can’t charge the consumer because to do that would admit there’s a profit involved.
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Mark my words!
Once this strike is over your going to see a new dawn in internet regulation and control of entertianment media the likes that you have never seen.
Kaza and other file sharing sites like YouTube will ether start paying rolyaties or get sued off the planet…
Good or bad the day is coming …..Tivo and Fiber optics will take us there.
There are usually something like commercials interspersed with Internet episodes (”limited interruption”). I watched a bit of a Lost episode, and there were no ads.
Its all marketing research at this point.
I know on NBC.com while watching shows you have to sit thru the same dumb commercial…
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This has all been planned very carefully by the studios.
In a way I would love to see the Studios screw YouTube. But YouTube will prob settle. I’m allmost sure most of the file sharing sites will. They won’t have any choice.
This will all occur after the WGA and actors strike is settled later this year.
The studios are holding back there lawyers and once realesed are going to go midevil on these file sharing sites.
This is Not my opinion I have inside info on this.
cloverfield 2?
i think it’d be an awesome idea.
well you really dont know if the creature really did die at the end but if you wait until the end of credits it says help us and if you play that in reverse it says very clearly”it’s still alive”
I have been following the virals and even decompiling the flash sites from the beginning.
Yes, I wasn’t expecting Cloverfield to go the way it did. But, thank god it didn’t! Why would anyone want to see exactly what they were expecting. I loved it and considering the budget of the flick, it is truly a ground-breaking piece of movie history. Seriously, if you got sick, either take some pills or enjoy the fact that a movie could have that effect on you. If you couldn’t handle not knowing what happened or had to have a name for the monster… go see Godzilla.
After serious consideration, I can’t forsee any way that this franchise could continue to suspend belief if they didn’t use the same events from a different perspective. My friends and I had pegged the sequel as that 5 mins after the movie.
I think the thing that people are lacking when regarding that idea is a bit of imagination. In lost (despite it’s droning unanswered ..ness) it seems that one event can be seen in countless imaginitive perspectives.
Consider that an activist crew (tido?) filming a documentary on anti-drilling end up capturing footage of the monster. It begins with the destruction of the tagruato stations and they realise that in order to salvage their filming, they could win some awards with the footage of this amazing and catastrophic event. Being more professional, the camera work would be tighter, but still immersive. It’s just a very flimsy idea, but considering the scope of JJ’s imagination, this one event could have countless fascinating perspectives.
I felt like I was there with Rob, Beth, Marlena and Hudd. Hell, it felt like an actual event. Seriously, don’t let this become a standard hollywood cookie-cutter film. I could have accepted not seeing the monster in the film at all. It’s what we don’t see that scares us most. As a fan of Alien I’m sure you can understand that.
JJ and Matt, if you want to go ahead with a sequel, as long as you create something as mysterious and gripping as the first, call it something mental like ‘001′ or ‘Hampstead’ or hell call it ‘CHEESE’ and string us on for 7 exciting months, we won’t care! and I know atleast 160 people who will be right by your side.
I’ve been reading a few boards and here a few of my favorite plots about a Cloverfield 2. Hope it sparks some conversation
1. Rob and Beth survive, grab another camera, and film their escape from New York.
Now this would be plausible becasue at the end of the movie, if Rob did say it was still alive, it sure as hell wouldn’t just sit in Manhattan for long. Would be more of the same thing, but I’m sure Matt and JJ could figure out some new ways for the two to interact with the monster. This is my favorite plot for a second movie because I care about the two characters, and I care about their fate.
2. Same event, different perspective.
I dont really care for this one because, as a person to be entirely sucked up by the viral marketing, I wouldnt care for the characters as much. They would just be another group of people running for another 78 minutes, whos fates you could care less about.
3. Same event, but told on a large scale, such as all the “classic” monster movies.
Intriguing but probably will tank badly, IMO its more of the same that we have already seen. Although it could provide the answer we all seek.
Hey A Casale cool points.
I don’t think Rob could do as great a job as Hud did.
Plus if it were me I wouldn’t be filming my escape I would focus on getting out alive.
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Rob deffinitly couldn’t pull off the running commetary that Hud did.
I’m sure yove seen my post, I’m sticking 2 it…
Do 2 stories with Military points of view using military steadycams.
They could even show them rescuing Rob and Beth. ???
I would agree that the POV of a military man would be different from the original. Lord knows I loved Hud, I thought he stole the show from Rob and the others. Rob said it best “People are gonna want to know how it all went down.” Why film the monster tearing up NY, and not keep filming your escape?
a the last scene of the movie at the beach u see in the background soem black thing is falling into the see tha means the monster came from space
a the last scene of the movie at the beach u see in the background soem black thing is falling into the sea that means the monster came from space
I “loved” this movie and would definately see more of them, if there were to be more.
For a sequel to this movie should be: Someone else tapes their side of the story, starting from watching the news update on TV. He and his friends escapes across the bridge and films Rob’s brother getting killed along with the collapsing of the bridge. He and his friends make it across and films the monster from the other side. People are being aided while news updates are shown. Whatever happens between then and the nat bomb, unsure. But we all see everything including the nuke coming down and leveling the city. Afterwards they should show the update from that to see if the monster was killed, BUT it doesn’t! News helicptors fly over ground zero and find out that the creature is still up and walking and ever more dropping the tiny minion creatures. The monster then swims over to where the survivors are held, and everyone trys to run away and get evacuated. Military continues to destroy the creature, but with no luck. The creature continues it’s destructive path from New York all the way to Los Angelas. Everything is destroyed. The only remaining survivors are in the frozen parts like Arctic and the Antarctic. Including the snowy moutains. Everyone learns that the creature, and the tiny things, can not function nor survive the cold harsh climates. People learn to survive the remaining days until the creatures simply starve to death. Then the remaining survivors rebuild and try to start their lives over again.
Either that or no one survives and the creatures simply die of exposure and starvation.
If a nuke can’t destroy it, look for a simpilar solution like the cold or starvation.
Wow Melissa that sounds like a couple of sequels.
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I wonder if they could lay down a spike-strip or has anyone got any Slim Witman albums.
personally my initial thoughts having watched it tonight are that i would pay to see more of this stuff. ‘this stuff’ being the ‘cloverfield monster’
i don’t really like the ‘camera b’ idea much, but obviously the people in charge do so i guess that’s what we’ll see in any second movie that comes along. if an interesting new perspective and characters could be created then fine, but personally i think this would be better left for cloverfield 3!
so Cloverfield 2? for me it’s gotta be just a normal movie. i’d like to see godzilla meets black hawk down. i.e. ditch the handheld camera but keep the dark realism and don’t drift back towards the normal godzilla type hollywood disaster movie with the stereotypical characters an the odd laugh thrown in for the kids etc.
then we’d all get to find out what the thing is, and how it gets killed! hooray! then as i say, do the camera b thing as movie 3 and then shut the fridge door before the food goes off. i reckon that would make a dvd box set worth buying.
I would very much like to see the military point of view. That would make a very cool action movie, not a thriller but pure action.
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