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Simon says:

Now, what’s wrong with the Batstorageunit?

chrisj says:

Batman is known to do all his best work in the dark, especially while uncovering a criminal’s background, adding new gadgets for his belt, his vehicles etc. Its one of his best quotes of himself sayin in the comics and shows. In TDK is didnt feel the same, felt just like any other normal lab lab people would be workin in.

Jose says:

Dude Its Simple,Heath Ledger Wasnt The Greatest Actor Of All Time,So You Get Some One That Could Just As Good Or If Not Better Than Heath…Picture This Johnny Dep As The New Joker,Dep Is One Of The Greatest Actor’s Of Our Time Everything That He’s Taken On He’s Mastered,So What Makes You Think Johnny Wouldnt Do The Same if He Played Joker,Thats My Pick,Johny Dep As The Joker

chris says:

i think a serial killer that stays hidden and leaves riddles might be a cool story with the joker locked up and batman must get help from the joker to find this killer. bane would be a nice sub villain or killer croc,but riddler,and joker are musts.the mad hatter would make a really creepy villain as well. i just think that riddler and joker should be next they fit toghether perfect in this nolan film universe,and if riddler is just this serial killer type that would be awesome,the penuguin would be cool just as the new leader of the mob and not some freak of nature like the last film he was in. their are my thoughts.

chris says:

ohhhhh i dissagree johny would not be the perfect joker. but some one like ben foster would. he was a perfect killer and reminded me of a joker riddler type in the hostage with bruce willus. my pick is Ben Foster.

George Costanza says:

Comment 434 lol
I was watching king kong on abc but then realized the dark knight was on max. Wow what a difference! Just thought I’d mention it.

Ken J says:

@chrisj

speaking of the batcave, he should have a “trophy room” or just have stuff from the villains he’s taken out or taken on displayed in the cave.

And about Punisher, yes, I agree that acting is important, but I didn’t find anything wrong with Ray Stevenson’s acting, so I think between the two Stevenson wins hands down since he has the look, size, and acting chops to boot.

Simon says:

@chris

You’re absolutely right. Ben Foster would make a wonderful Joker. Actually, he might be able to pull it off better than anyone to date. (I personally think Mark Hamill’s Joker is the best I’ve ever seen, but the character can be done so many ways, it’s almost unfair to compare portrayals side by side.)

@Jose

It’s not really a question of whether someone can do the Joker as good as, or better than, Ledger. It’s a fact that it will bother a lot of people as to the question of tastefulness.
I also see a point that Batman’s greatest villain should have a role in what we should only be able to expect to be Batman’s greatest film. However, from a critical standpoint (and remember, this isn’t comics; a very good story in the comics can appear just plain tacky on screen (Daredevil)) how the heck do you top the level of chaos that the Joker brought to TDK, and still make a relevant film, and not just a rehash? Rehashing would work fine for many superhero sequels. Not this one. TDK might not really have been as good as Batman Begins, but it did manage to become an epic movie, whereas BB was just a superhero movie.

Ken J says:

@simon

We never really “seen” Mark Hammil’s Joker, just the voice, but I do like his character overall including the voice…

“What a photo op, the city councilman and his wacky pal…” Man I love that exchange in Mask of the Phantasm.

I’ve always really liked the fact that you can’t really tell just how dangerous he was until he just randomly kills someone. It’s too bad the cartoon was limited in what they can show, but Bruce Timm has said that everytime he uses his laughing toxin on someone, that’s actually meant that person will die from it, but it’s never shown beyond the guy laughing out of control since they were not allowed to so it was more implied for those who knew that the toxin was fatal. Younger kids never really understood that.

Ken J says:

I’m counting on you chrisj, we can’t let this thread die! lol

chrisj says:

@ Ken J
Lol, I can only do so much Ken J. No Promises,lol. I too loved Mark Hamill’s work as the Joker’s voice aswell as his perfect laugh. His laugh was better than any actor on screen had. Not one episode was dull with Hamill’s Joker.I like him in Almost Got’em episode. Two-face: get outta my face clown. Joker: which one? lol other quotes. Joker: i gotta admit lady, you’re harder to kill than a cockroach on steriods,lol. And from Batman Beyond Return of the Joker, Joker: You know kids, alot has changed since your dear old uncle Joker has been away. New Gotham, new rules, even a new Batman. But im rested up and ready to give this old town a wedgie again. lol Joker: after all the batarangs etc, you’re just like a child cryin out for mommy and daddy. It would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic… Oh what the heck, ill laugh anyways. LOL Classic evil Joker for ya.

B says:

WOW! What great insight, and what a great story idea! I’m impressed. I think they’d be hard pressed to come up with anything better than that; it works so well! Personally, I think one of the smartest things they’ve done is use comic-book storylines. Many of these truly define who the character is, and far more often than studios like to admit, it’s the case with superheroes. Comic books have some of the most talented writers out there!

Ken J says:

Well if it has already worked on one medium, no need to reinvent the wheel and make Galactus a cloud and Silver Surfer get his powers from his board… lol. Sorry, felt like picking on FF…

Panda says:

@Ken J
“I’ve always really liked the fact that you can’t really tell just how dangerous he was until he just randomly kills someone”

Did you see the episode with the Joker’s answering machine? -I admit I had to look this up because it’s been years…

Episode #036 – The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne

JOKER’S ANSWERING MACHINE: Aha ha ha ha ha! Boy, did you get the wrong number! Leave your name and number at the sound of the shriek.
VOICE ON MACHINE: No, please! Don’t! Aurgh!

F-ing fantastic, and really shows the Joker’s essence in a Y-14 sort of way (or whatever the TV rating was)

Ken J says:

@Panda

LOL, that’s pretty funny stuff… I love the Animated Series Joker…

chrisj says:

@ Panda
LoL i loved that part too. I also liked it when Two-Face said: Get outta my face clown! Joker: which one? (smiles) Do you remember the episode Almost Got’Em? I loved how Poison Ivy asked how Harvey was doin. Two-Face: Half of me wants to strangle ya. Poison Ivy: What does the other half want? Two-Face: To hit ya with a truck. Poison Ivy: We used to date. Penguin and Joker were like ahh. If DC Comics/WB plan to do what Marvel is doin by havin superheroes excist in the same universe, Id like to ask them to offer Bruce Timm and Co to make live action adaptions of the heroes that would eventually lead to a Justice League film. Like what they with the animated series. I wished JLU had one more season. That last fight between Superman & Darkseid was just as good as Legacy. And it was awesome to see agile Batman was to avoid Darkseid’s omega beams,lol.

Patrick says:

I completely agree with bringing back Two-Face. On my first viewing TDK I interpreted the ambiguity of Dent’s death as meaning he would be the next villain. Had Ledger not passed away I would not have been surprised if the next story involved the Joker pulling the strings from Arkham with Dent being the villain on the streets.

M-Cat says:

@ Panda

what are you guys referring to when talking about episode 36? Tv series? Is it on DVD?

Ken J says:

@chrisj

Yah, almost got em was a good episode. I remember those two-face moments too, lol.

Without spoiling it for those who might go back and watch it, Killer Croc’s story was the best… ;-)

Panda says:

@M-Cat

We’re talking about Batman TAS from the 90’s. The episode 36 I reference was an example of how the cartoon brought out how sadistic the Joker is without really ’showing’ anything. Brilliant writing.

BTW – I watched BB and TDK last night backt o back, and talking about the escalation and how that will play out in the 3rd movie, Nolan may be painted into a corner. In BB, Gotham is threatened by R’as and the League as they want to purify the city and not swayed by money or power; in TDK the Joker wants to ‘watch the world burn’ as Alfred implies and not swayed by money or power. How can this progress in the 3rd movie and what villain? I have no idea.

Regarding villains, I wouldn’t be opposed to certain villains making cameos like Scarecrow did in TDK. Penguin and Clock King could make criminal cameos without a story arc and don’t really need an origin. Black Mask is still most likely as the main villain

chrisj says:

@ Ken J
I loved the ending aswell. I remembered first watching it and thought it was him? lol. In my opinion Batman: TAS’s Joker was kinda both like Jack Nicolson/Heath Ledger’s Jokers rolled into one even though it was Mark Hamill. I wonder how old he was when the first Tim Burton film came out cause he’d had to be young enough for the part. In the Demon’s quest i liked how ticked off when Batman was shoved aside by Ubu. Batman: I think ill call that strike one. Batman: That’s strike two. Batman: And thats three! and crunches Ubu’s fists and knocks him down,lol. I forget what episode it was but loved how he scared Harlee Quinn when yelling at her in the Batmobile. Batman: You don’t do anything, Push anything, or say anything unless i say! GOT IT? Harlee Quinn; yeah. lol I liked how Lex talked to Joker when he said, Lex: lol, what makes you think you can kill Superman when you cant even handle a mere mortal in a halloween costume? Joker: grrr, theres nothin mere about that mortal.

Ken J says:

That was the episode where Harley was helping Batman catch Joker. Forgot the name too, but I remember that episode clearly.

The Big Dentist says:

Chrisj, Mark Hamill would have been about 38 when Burton’s Batman came out: perfect age really. He’d have been an odd choice at the time, though certainly no odder than Keaton as Bruce Wayne. Nicholson was the obvious option, but the Nicholson of the ’70s up to and including The Shining would have been perfect. By 1989 I thought he was too old and tubby, and arguably had already shot his demonic bolt in The Witches Of Eastwick. I really think Hamill could have pulled off the look as well as the voice. Seeing the old “Skywalker smile” in that context would have been nicely unnerving, and he definitely hadn’t eaten as many pies as Jack at that point!

chrisj says:

@ The Big Dentist
I wondered what the film would be like w/ Hamill,lol. I thought so too that Hamill has that smile that would be Joker’s. Still gets me till this day that Luke Skywalker is has been the voice of the Joker In every Bruce Timm animated series. Now i wonder how old Kevin Conroy would be when the Batman film came out.

The Big Dentist says:

Conroy would’ve been 33 – exactly Bale’s sort of age! Where’s that time machine when you need it?

chrisj says:

@ The Big Dentist
LOL. Thats a good question. Not sure what he’d look like that young as Bruce Wayne. One thing for sure is if he played Batman in the films, whats the chances of him still being the voice of Batman in all the animated series we adored?

The Big Dentist says:

That’s true enough, chrisj. It’s six of one and half a dozen of the other, as they say. Ah well…

chrisj says:

@ Ken J
Ken J, do you go on Myspace.com? You should take the Which Supervillain are you? quiz on there to see what your matches are. LOL, the top 3 matches for me came in this order. 1. Juggernaut 44% Mr.Freeze 39% The Joker 28% Of-course you have be honest about your answers if you want the truth right? Try it sometime.

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