• If Batman 3 is really to be the last in a trilogy, I like to see a bitter, twisted old Batman at the end of his "career", battling with his health and his cynicism. Maybe something along the lines of The Dark Knight Returns.
  • The Critic
    Batman Year One was decent but I think we should leave the script to Nolan. There are great ideas out there but originality is the best way to go. Give us something fresh and new even if it involves old characters from the comics like the Beast (the russian spy or whatever he was) or the Riddler.
  • @Chris Nixon
    Though I agree if Batman should end, it should end with him bitter and old but more than likely someone is going to pick up where Nolan leaves off. Kofi is just suggesting the Nolan/Batman run comes full circle and goes out with a bang.

    Though I would prefer not to have Robin show up [for my own personal reasons: I have a spec. script on my desk that features Richard "Dick" Grayson], it might be a great bookend place to leave off.
  • I liked Dark Victory; they even included Robin in a great way. I need to re-read it though and see what I've missed in the few years since I last went through it.

    Heath
  • The Critic
    Oh and we don't need an older Batman in the future, very bad idea. Please, no Robin just like Bale and Nolan said. That's the worst idea possible.

    Pick up right where The Dark Knight Returns left off and pick up the pieces from there.
  • Taylor
    if they're going with the caped crusade... they better just call it the caped crusadeR... otherwise it will just sound silly.
  • Intrigued Guest
    All very interesting ideas. I have maintained ever since 'The Dark Knight' that Harvey Dent probably is dead. As for Two-Face? Perhaps another matter ...
  • Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar
    Mark Hamill returns as the Joker. I have no doubt he could pull it off and be the finest and closest (modern Comic version) interpretation of the Joker yet He's under makeup anyway. But I'd like to see Bane. An honest to god intelligent and lethal Bane.
  • Mat
    I say Nolan should skip the third and someone from DC should be begging him to do Superman. The first two Batman are amazing. Without Ledger and the Enthusiasm of Nolan the third just doesnt seem right to me.
  • My issue it someone taking up The Joker mantle, pre-maturely. The role doesn't really lend itself to be changed.

    Don't you think some time should pass before we see a new Joker?
  • Josh R
    The trick is making sure the movie isn't simply a retread of the first two. With all the success of TDK, of course it seems like they should continue on with the Joker or Two-Face stories, but I think at the end of the day, both those characters got enough screentime and they're stories are really done.

    Even if Ledger were still around, all I'd want from him is a cameo, like maybe a quick visit to Arkham because Joker might know something about the new villain.

    But I think we really need to see someone new. I like Riddler as much as the next guy, and I think Nolan could do great work with him if he casted, say, Guy Pearce, but I'd prefer he bring in someone like Black Mask or maybe Bane.

    Oh, and Kofi, as cool as an Arkham breakout scene would be, it would really screw things up Joker-wise. If there's a breakout, you know Joker would be involved, but his absence would seem kind of weird, unless you recast him, which you've said you're against.
  • Joakim Möller
    @Joshi: Harvey Dent is indeed dead. But! I say but, because there is no news if Two-face died or not. And the reason they had the memorial service was because harvey was a popular guy, and since only two-face remained they said harvey dent died. Seems possible I think...

    I would like to see something in the lines of Penguin or a two-face/riddler story.
  • Steve
    On Batman 3 timeline: Continue on 6 months after "The Dark Knight".

    On Two-Face/Harvey Dent: He's dead, we see his funeral in nippets at the end of "The Dark Knight", don't go there. Eckhart was great, but the character is dead.

    On Joker: I think they should leave off, particularly since Heath Ledger is dead, though Joshi has a few good points there. Perhaps they could use some audio from out-takes of "The Dark Knight" to get some background for maybe an Arkham Asylum scene.

    On the plot themes:
    1) Isolation (Batman against all the crooks AND cops in Gotham with only Lucious and Alfred as allies),
    2) Subversion (the people of Gotham are still divided about Batman, including the police, some of whom are gunning for him and some of whom think he's still a good thing),
    3) Identity (someone other than an accountant at Wayne Enterprises starts to put together the relationship between a well-equipped vigilante and the richest person in Gotham).

    On villains: Include two at most and they should be linked (much as Two-Face and the Joker were). I submit Cat-woman and the Riddler.

    1) Make the Riddler the antithesis of Batman. Make him the poor guy who makes all his own stuff in the basement with a welder and spare parts. Make him intelligent, but in a technical manner. He frames Batman for attacks on criminals that have much more lethal force than Batman would use, attacks that also target police, bringing the police down harder on Batman. His riddles are used to point the police towards who he thinks is financing Batman (Wayne) and to lure Batman into situations where he can make things worse. His goal is to get Batman to retire, not to kill him. If he ceases to be a power to motivate the populace, Bruce Wayne would consider retirement (considering the deaths of Rachel and Dent, he's got plenty of reasons), particularly if the gangs stop being so powerful and the police seem to be doing their jobs. This would all be a lead up to the Riddler seizing control of the mobs under a unified leadership. I'd have that the Riddler uses a catburglar (Catwoman) to plant the evidence against Wayne/Batman and that the Riddler would be virtually an unknown entity for the first half of the film. Make him a Riddle for the audience to figure out. Cast an unknown and put him in a number of other shots in the first half, you know, as the plumber who leaves a place that ends up being a deathtrap for Batman and some police or the electrician who works at Wayne Enterprises.

    Plenty of things to work with, but I say, move forward with the themes, don't look back too much except for inspiration and continuity.
  • Matt Keith
    It would be cheap if they killed of Two-Face in the film and then declare him dead, but bring him back anyway, as for a viilian they should bring in Harley Quinn now that The Joker is in Arkham it would be perfect oppurtunity, and please don't bring in The Riddler they need to use characters that haven't been done before....heck Hush would be a good pick.
  • Bryan
    I think they're going to bring in bane n go wit the knightfall story in the beginning, but have batman defeat azrael in the end but then that sounds to predictible. They'll prolly add some other stuff to make a much better story
  • Anonymous
    For the Batman # story line, they could have the Riddler be the main villain. In the time between Batman Begins and Batman 3, the man who is going to become the Riddler has hit bad times, where he has lost his job as a computer programmer, is about to lose his home and everything he owns, and his wife and the only person in his life is unfortunately dying of cancer. So he gets together with others who plan to rob a bank, so he can get money to get treatment to save his wife and his home. When he attempts to rob the bank, Batman comes in and stops them all. The "pre Riddler" becomes desperate and tries to shoot Batman but Batman throws a Batarang at his legs and cripples him where he has to have metal bolts put in his legs and have a cane for the rest of his life. His wife dies, he loses everything, and goes to prison. In Batman 3, this man, Edward Nigma or whoever, decides to vow the rest of his life to try to destroy Batman. So he becomes the Riddler. Batman has gone off the grid due to the events and ending of the Dark Knight and has not been seen for a long time. He has also become depressed and down on himself due to Rachel's death and has become a recluse and a drunkard and has lost Wayne Enterprises, since Lucious may have left at the end of the Dark Knight and others took his place and bought it out. Crime has become more rampant since the Joker was on the scene and a new crime boss, known as the Penguin in some circles due to a big nose and being fat perhaps, is trying to come into Gotham and take control of it since all the other crime bosses died in the Dark Knight. Catwoman is also in Gotham but as a hero inspired by Batman trying to put away crime since Batman slipped away. The police are also trying to capture Batman at this point. Since Batman is gone, the Riddler has kidnapped various government officials like the mayor and such, and put them in death traps, similiar to Saw but where they have to solve puzzles if they want to live, and showing it on television while they are suffering psychological and physical torture and pain. The Riddler has done this so he can try to draw Batman out of hiding so he can have his revenge and kill him for what happened years ago and is also calling Batman out on television to reappear so he can kill him. The Riddler is also blowing up various buildings and such in order to draw Batman out. Batman is having to fight his inner demons and finally dawns the cape and cowl one last time to save Gotham. The Penguin also has a mercenary running around killing off any opposition toward him as well as trying to kill Batman. This man is known as Mr. Freeze because he collects bounties on his contracts and places their bodies on meat hooks in freezers of wearhouses as trophies for his accomplishments. Mr Freeze also has alot of high tech technology, weapons, and vehicles at his disposal. So Batman has to fight The Riddler who could just be wearing green and maybe a mask over his eyes to conceal his identity without the question marks, the Penguin, and Mr. Freeze running around that he has to stop, while contending with corrupt cops and politicians. He could also have Selina Kyle as his new love interest and have Catwoman trying to help him when he returns to Gotham. In the end, Batman saves the day and it is known that he took responsibilities for Two Faces murders in order to let Gotham have hope. He could finally be seen as a hero and get Wayne Enterprises back and be the hero of Gotham forever. Or he could possibly die and sacrifice his life in order to save Gotham from the villains, while the two face information is still released and Batman is seen as a hero once again and praised for doing what he did with two face and the others in order to give the citizens of Gotham hope and something to believe in. The theme of this story his redemption and whether Batman can really be a hero to Gotham City. Or it could be vengeance and trying to get back at the person who destroyed your life. Maybe there could be a parallel where Batman had his life destroyed when Joe Chill killed his parents and instead after many years became a hero, while the Riddler lost his wife and every thing else and still decided to become a villain anyway. Names for the story could possible be Batman Eternal, Batman the last stand, the Dark Knight forever, Batman the final crusade, or anything else like that if this is to be the final Batman story and Batman is recognized as Gotham's hero forever in life or death, depending on how it is written and is redeemed, while peace, law, and order is finally bestowed upon Gotham and it is kept safe forever, while Batman is forever recognized and is given a place in society and is accepted whether Batman lives or dies at the end of this movie. They could also perhaps throw Bane in there but i'm not sure where it would fit, but anyway this story could work whether this is the final Batman movie in the trilogy. But if they keep it going, then the peace, law, and order would only be temporary and Batman, accepted by all in Gotham and a real hero, faces a new threat in Batman 4, if there is one. I also think that Johnny Depp should be the Riddler, since he is a good actor and he and bale have worked good together as hero and villain in public enemies. I think that ONLY Depp could make a riddler that would have any chance of topping Heath Ledger's Joker and make the story really dark. Also Phillip Seymour Hoffman could possibly be the Penguin, maybe Angeling jolie or whoever as Catwoman and someone really good as Mr. Freeze.
  • Anonymous
    Also, i ask that Batman 3 have some type of Batwing and Batboat in it, it would be awesome, since they reinterpreted the Batmobile, which was destroyed, and the Batpod.
  • Anonymous
    For the Batman 3 story line, they could have the Riddler be the main villain. In the time between Batman Begins and Batman 3, the man who is going to become the Riddler has hit bad times, where he has lost his job as a computer programmer, is about to lose his home and everything he owns, and his wife and the only person in his life is unfortunately dying of cancer. So he gets together with others who plan to rob a bank, so he can get money to get treatment to save his wife and his home. When he attempts to rob the bank, Batman comes in and stops them all. The "pre Riddler" becomes desperate and tries to shoot Batman but Batman throws a Batarang at his legs and cripples him where he has to have metal bolts put in his legs and have a cane for the rest of his life. His wife dies, he loses everything, and goes to prison. In Batman 3, this man, Edward Nigma or whoever, decides to vow the rest of his life to try to destroy Batman. So he becomes the Riddler. Batman has gone off the grid due to the events and ending of the Dark Knight and has not been seen for a long time. He has also become depressed and down on himself due to Rachel's death and has become a recluse and a drunkard and has lost Wayne Enterprises, since Lucious may have left at the end of the Dark Knight and others took his place and bought it out. Crime has become more rampant since the Joker was on the scene and a new crime boss, known as the Penguin in some circles due to a big nose and being fat perhaps, is trying to come into Gotham and take control of it since all the other crime bosses died in the Dark Knight. Catwoman is also in Gotham but as a hero inspired by Batman trying to put away crime since Batman slipped away. The police are also trying to capture Batman at this point. Since Batman is gone, the Riddler has kidnapped various government officials like the mayor and such, and put them in death traps, similiar to Saw but where they have to solve puzzles if they want to live, and showing it on television while they are suffering psychological and physical torture and pain. The Riddler has done this so he can try to draw Batman out of hiding so he can have his revenge and kill him for what happened years ago and is also calling Batman out on television to reappear so he can kill him. The Riddler is also blowing up various buildings and such in order to draw Batman out. Batman is having to fight his inner demons and finally dawns the cape and cowl one last time to save Gotham. The Penguin also has a mercenary running around killing off any opposition toward him as well as trying to kill Batman. This man is known as Mr. Freeze because he collects bounties on his contracts and places their bodies on meat hooks in freezers of wearhouses as trophies for his accomplishments. Mr Freeze also has alot of high tech technology, weapons, and vehicles at his disposal. So Batman has to fight The Riddler who could just be wearing green and maybe a mask over his eyes to conceal his identity without the question marks, the Penguin, and Mr. Freeze running around that he has to stop, while contending with corrupt cops and politicians. He could also have Selina Kyle as his new love interest and have Catwoman trying to help him when he returns to Gotham. In the end, Batman saves the day and it is known that he took responsibilities for Two Faces murders in order to let Gotham have hope. He could finally be seen as a hero and get Wayne Enterprises back and be the hero of Gotham forever. Or he could possibly die and sacrifice his life in order to save Gotham from the villains, while the two face information is still released and Batman is seen as a hero once again and praised for doing what he did with two face and the others in order to give the citizens of Gotham hope and something to believe in. The theme of this story his redemption and whether Batman can really be a hero to Gotham City. Or it could be vengeance and trying to get back at the person who destroyed your life. Maybe there could be a parallel where Batman had his life destroyed when Joe Chill killed his parents and instead after many years became a hero, while the Riddler lost his wife and every thing else and still decided to become a villain anyway. Names for the story could possible be Batman Eternal, Batman the last stand, the Dark Knight forever, Batman the final crusade, or anything else like that if this is to be the final Batman story and Batman is recognized as Gotham's hero forever in life or death, depending on how it is written and is redeemed, while peace, law, and order is finally bestowed upon Gotham and it is kept safe forever, while Batman is forever recognized and is given a place in society and is accepted whether Batman lives or dies at the end of this movie. They could also perhaps throw Bane in there but i'm not sure where it would fit, but anyway this story could work whether this is the final Batman movie in the trilogy. But if they keep it going, then the peace, law, and order would only be temporary and Batman, accepted by all in Gotham and a real hero, faces a new threat in Batman 4, if there is one. I also think that Johnny Depp should be the Riddler, since he is a good actor and he and bale have worked good together as hero and villain in public enemies. I think that only Depp could make a riddler that would have any chance of topping Heath Ledger's Joker and make the story really dark. Also Phillip Seymour Hoffman could possibly be the Penguin, maybe Angeling jolie or whoever as Catwoman and someone really good as Mr. Freeze. Also, i ask that Batman 3 have some type of Batwing and Batboat in it, it would be awesome, since they reinterpreted the Batmobile, which was destroyed, and the Batpod.
  • No Name Face
    @ Kofi,

    Wow maybve they should get you to help em out as a creative producer...

    all things aside i was wondering why you did not mention how they should tie in a DC Universe Twist (much like Martval is Doing) like a cameo of Brandon Roth as Clark Kent Interviewing Bruce Wayne about how he is saving Gotham and Maybe a News report in the Backround of a bar about Superman or Green Lantern...
    Like after the interview the Anchor says "and in other news U.S. Airman Hal Jorden survived a Test flight Accident today blah blah bloah" or something like that...

    Also Dark Victory, Robin is kind of a central Charecter....
    (i do not want to say anymore, everyone here hates Robin)
  • stuntmanJ
    Batman: Blind Justice. Excellent character driven story. Stays grounded in believability like the previous films.
  • Olu
    LMAO 'The Caped Crusade'. You couldn't come up with something better !



    Just joking. Good Title !

    Here's my idea - Since Heath Ledger is Dead i think this joker might as well be dead too. I think they should make a story line about some copycat in Gotham who goes under the Alias- Joker but much much worse than the precessor and looks like Joker in the comics.Jim Carrey looks like a candidate.

    what do you think?
  • anonymous
    They should also change the batsuit again, a different one for every movie.
  • Olu
    Or go with ANoN above me ! Changing the batsuit is a good idea
  • Andy S
    I know that I am going to be lambasted for this, but I wouldn't mind the introduction of Robin in the film. Use this final Bats film to segway into Nightwing.

    That being said, I would love to see Bane be the next villain. However, I think it's going to be a more traditional guy, like Riddler or Penguin.
  • Paul
    I think that using a copy cat Joker is a good idea, I mean they made copy cat batmen. If this series is supposed to be a trilogy why don't they use Frank Millers The Dark Knight Returns just remove Robin and change the ending, they have already said in Dark Knight that the Batman can't do this forever. I don't mind if they get a new Joker personally Phillip Seymour Hoffman could do a great Joker just watch MI3. Thats all I have to say about that
  • Woolycaveman
    No Robin, No Joker, No Two Face, No Catwoman, No Riddler, No other overused/totally stupid bad guys(Penguin, Mr. Freeze), No anything at all, NO THIRD FILM.

    But seriously Nolan said he had a vision, he said it comprised of three films with one story arc, and that story arc involved The Joker being in the second and last movies, Heath Ledger is gone now. And anyone who would truly try and say that anybody could reprise that role is lacking on a few levels. Heath Ledger made that movie what it is, he made the Joker what it was, and to think of trying to rethink and entire ending to an amazing storyline like BB and TDK is stupid. Nolan can't do his ending now, so why even try to suddenly veer off the path of the original story just to make a few fanboys happy?
  • vision
    not bad i like the idea with bruces personal life and the thing with the break out at Arkham Asylum but i think you should go with villians that are not seen are well know to the genral pubilc no one that we have seen in the other movies - clock king great love it, of course joker but is he needed, catwoman ok i see that bruse needs a new lover, but let see who eles could make him happy,now back to the villains maybe Maximillian Zeus as a new mob boss,i know maybe even dr. Hugo Strange to help tie in Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn he did call the joker 'agent of chaos' ... they need to go different in this third movie...i just hope we dont see robin
  • Daniel F
    They DO NOT need another love interest. Lets get a Bat film with out one please. Also no matter how much I respect both Bale and Nolan if Catwoman and Penguin make it in to another film I may pass on the film all together.
  • Andy S
    @wooley...

    There is ZERO chance of there being no 3rd Batman film. C'mon a $1 BILLION movie and they're not going to exploit that with a sequel?? Even if it's crappier than Batman and Robin, it'll STILL rake in a $200 million plus.
  • destruct26
    Finally, someone recognized the formula for the first two movie regarding the year one & beyond comic storylines. Those three or four books (others were 'Killing Joke', etc.) are KEY in establishing the movie storyline, and will be pertinent in the next installment, to a degree. I have only two things to adress. If Ledger was supposed to return as the Joker, I may have someone in mind who may actually may be playing the role, if Nolan returns. About 3 months before Dark Knight hit screens, I saw a movie called "The Lookout" with Joseph Gordon Levitt in the main lead. And if you look at his career, and roles he's played, it is eerily similar to Heath's. Not to mention- he LOOKS like Heath. I had mentioned to others that he may be a good replacement Joker in 3. A year has passed, and I forgot all about it. Nolan is now directing "Inception" Wanna know who's in it? Joseph Gordon Levitt. Just sayin......... No.2- I personally like 'Shadow of the Bat' better IMHO. But I'd accept 'The Caped Crusade/r' ;)
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