• Ernesto
    yes, I agree with the changes, that why I am looking forward to the movie. for years I always wondered what a live action db movie would look like if they did an actual translation and I came to the conclusion that it would look extremely stupid.
  • Cali
    thank you thank you thank you!!!! Finally someone speaks a little reason when it comes to these movies that have a fanbase outside of the movie material itself.
    I don't always like certain adaptations but you are 100% correct that sometimes things just won't translate well to a live action film
  • Ken J
    Makes me wonder how they are going to translate Thor to film...
  • Ken Jarvis
    I think they are full of crap, let me explain. I will go see this movie because I have waited all my life and I will tear no matter what, but this show is my favorite story of my life; ever. Do you understand what it means to a true fan? The creator of 300 or Lord of the Rings or Terminator Salvation or Transformers should have been the director - PERIOD! They should have started JUST as DBZ did - no exceptions. Goku should have been bigger, tougher, sleeker. There should be Vegeta and Krillin. They should have never started with Dragonball - no way. I say NO WAY. I don't care what you guys think you were wrong and your lucky it isnt your money used to make this film. What a shame - you don't ruin stories of greatness like this - you just dont.
  • Craig
    Its not the small aesthetic changes that bother fans its the sloppy job of a film 20th Century Fox made is the problem. Here let me elaborate.

    There is nothing good about this film. The best aspect of the film and its still very average is the score composed by Brian Tyler. The 86 minute running time, awkward pacing, horrible editing, sloppy and unnecessary plot holes within an already diluted watered down version of the King Piccolo arc (among other parts of Dragonball) written by Ramsey makes for an excruciating viewing.

    As you can see the DB:E section here at SHH is now a ghost town pretty much. A lot of people had hope (I was optimistically skeptical) , but once detrimental information started leaking (rushed,re-shoots, etc) and the trailers were a disappointment to most, and then the clips surfaced which only ended up confirming most of our fears of the actors screwing up the roles.

    So a combination of a rushed schedule, hiring a director like James Wong, Fox handling the franchise, hiring a two bit writer, and hiring a cast that didn't seem prepared to take the roles and ended up giving tired and boring performances (because of the rushed scheduling most likely), along with a pathetic $45 million dollar budget for one of the most popular anime adaptations made for a horrible result named "Dragonball: Evolution".
  • Kinoda
    Yeah, that's a great idea Ken. Let's start the movie with Goku already having mastered his powers, met and married his wife, had a son, and for some reason an alien prince is on his way to earth to kill him. You need to lay some kind of foundation for future events, and even though I'm not sure how DB will turn out I am sure that starting the story with DB instead of DBZ was the right move.
  • WIll
    @ Ken Jarvis

    I completely agree with you, I am a DBZ fan from way back and believe this movie looks pretty terrible. I want it to be good, i really do. I agree with Ross that not all aspects of the source material can be followed but what reason do they have for changing the fantastic story.I don't care that piccolo looks different i actually really like the look they gave him. Just the action we have seen from the trailer look incredibly dodgey. I really can't wait for the sequel because hopefully they do it right. Please don't change Vegeta too much.
  • Dee
    exactly! i agree 100 percent with this article. The people who criticize this movie need to be more open-minded and accept that the adaptation can never be exactly like the cartoon or comic.

    Fantastic Four and X-Men are perfect examples. But they both were fairly successful films.

    I think that all the BS criticism of this film is bringing it down. if people just watched it with an open mind we would all be fine. I am lookin forward to the release this week in the US.

    BTW, i have been a DBZ fan since the early 2000s, ever since the shows were played on Cartoon Network. A lot of the stuff in this movie is wrong, but i will give the cast and crew an open-minded and fair chance and will appreciate the movie in the end. i look forward to the sequels to follow this movie hopefully.
  • For YEARS since I was very young I had always dreamed up that epic day when Goku would be brought to the Big Screen. When I heard that it was to be released in '09 I was exstatic but then people started telling me about all the things that they weren't true to and I began to loose hope in it. So yesterday I took a chance and went to watch it.

    I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed it. I don't understand what all the hullabaloo is about?
    I understand why certain elements were changed because if they were kept the EXACT way they were then the film would have looked like the sailor moon live action movie. I'm glad that they used graphics and effects for the bad guys and not costumes and make-up.

    But I think certain elements could have been kept closer to the anime. Like Goku in school, Mai in general (did not like her), the absence of Krillin and Kami house, how the Kamehameha is performed and how it is revealed to Goku that he's an alien.

    I would have liked for them to be truer to those elements in particular and perhaps some of the fighting/flying effects could have been polished a bit more that way they didn't look like they were held by overly-exaggerated wires.

    I also think that since it wasn't exactly clear in the trailer that people should understand that certain characters were excluded because of the time-frame that they had the story span.

    I think that people shouldn't just shy away from the film because of critics. I don't care what critics say because quite frankly most of their opinions are the exact opposite of my thoughts.
    But the one thing I wanna know about the movie is: the Piccolo that we see in the movie is described as King Piccolo. Is this Z-fighter Piccolo's father that Goku was supposed to beat when he was really young...or is he the one that Goku is supposed to defeat in the tournament when he's 18 before he's married to Chi-Chi?
  • D.Z.
    The changes are dumb, and the only people defending them are on the take.
  • D.Z.
    Also, it's total bs to be arguing that you can't be more authentic to the source material after all the recent successful comic book movies which were in fact faithful to the source material. Even Watchmen generally got it right, and will probably at least break even, while this turkey's going to die like Chun Li a month ago.
  • Josh R
    The superfluous aethestic differences are not the problem. Those things have to be changed.

    It's the fact that they've butchered the story to a point that its almost unrecognizable. X-Men worked because even though several character's backstories were changed, and the movie followed a new story, the characters still acted and felt that their respective characters.

    With Dragonball, they've changed not only the physical appearances, but every single character's backstory, as well as the main story arc, AND they made almost no attempt to make the characters act like their anime/manga counterparts (the worst offenders being Goku and Bulma, although I'll admit I thought Chatwin did a good job with what he was given).

    In order for an adaptation to be successful, it has to keep SOMETHING from the original source material other than the character's names. This movie did not.
  • Whoaly
    I'm still excited for this movie adaption. After organic web shooters, a cloud galactus, non bodybuilder type Venom, and a 6'3 wolverine, I'm prepared for anything. I'm also interested in this as an alternative or what if? universe. I'll be watching it as a fan, but also as a different take to the mythology. Kind of like Marvel's Ultimate comic book series.
  • jago
    @ Josh R

    I completely agree with you... if your a "hardcore fan" you wouldn't really be bothered by the hair or costumes... but the the story itself... now i was introduced to dragonball when i was 5 and that was in 1988 (yes its that old!!!) and i've loved it ever since... but if they would have wanted to do this right they would have started the movie with a brief intro of who goku is and some of the other characters... then i would have gone directly to just before the second tournament. Where he fought lord piccolo's son... now they could do this for the sequel... but i would have done that for the first. Plus i would have concentrated mainly on the choreography of the fighting... because in dragonball... not dragonball z.. they actually fought alot more then they used there ki. But maybe thats just me... "Die hard 4" was pg-13... and it had alot of action... why can't this one...?
  • Beatriz
    I think most of the changes they made were unnecessary. The only reason I'm not really really furious is that I didn't expect that movie to be like the manga, but when I knew Krilin wasn't on that movie, Mutenroshi wasn't a pervert and I saw the hairstyle of Bulma, I was really furious. They shouldn't have done this movie.
  • arrell
    Haha, this is the first time I've read of what they did to Galactus in the second FF movie. Yet again, I disagree with you Ross, they could have and should have stuck with Galactus as he is typically depicted. The movie was panned anyhow, might as well have done it for the fanboys/girls.

    Also, I've just read that Straczynski, author of the Silver Surfer spin-off screenplay, has commented that Galactus in his cloud form was merely a disguise. Also from wiki, "Director Tim Story claimed he made Galactus a cloud so that the future Silver Surfer spin-off film would have a chance to be unique and introduce the character as he normally appears" (cited from the DVD's audio commentary).
  • steven the git
    I love that. The uniform they can lose, but hey, got to make sure the hair is right!

    As some have already pointed out, it isn't these superficial changes that matter.

    The Dragonball fans love had a young Goku who grew up in the wild who didn't know what a girl was and who solved problems by flying headbutting them.

    This movie is Dragonball in name only. It isn't about mistaking it for DragonballZ or complaining about the look. It is the lack of the spirit, which is what they claim to have kept.

    Goku doesn't have a destiny to save the world. He just does it. It's that simple.
  • Miquelo
    Ok, but the issue is not the color of the clothes or the skin, but the way they "adapted" the plot... it is not adaptaded, it is trashed. Now it is a typical US comedy, not an epic story. Besides, it is not action packed, and they did a very bad job adapting the fights.
  • Bane
    Well said, I agree with you Ross. The differences addressed by the cast members, however, are only miner changes. I couldn't care less if Goku's outfit is orange or Bulma's hair is actually blue. The changes and differences to the story appear to be major. I agree with most people here, from what I've seen they did a poor job with this adaptation. Hopefully it'll do terrible in the box office, and it'll be remade properly in the future. Kind of like the Incredible Hulk.
  • GUNSMITH
    TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, YES CHANGES HAD TO BE MADE, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, ITS A MOVIE THAT IF DONE MORE LIKE THE CARTOON WOULD BE EPIC.ZACK SNYDER DID 300..IT APPEALED TO FANS AND APPEALED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC,,HE KEPT THE LOOK AND FEEL THE SAME AND CHANGED A FEW BUT STILL STAYED TRUE TO THE GRAPHIC NOVEL, BUT ALSO WORKED WITH ITS CREATOR TO GET IT RIGHT.ORANGE SUIT,GREEN SKIN, NO KRILLIN, HIGHSCHOOL GOKU-YES CHANGE A FEW THINGS BUT TO ME IT SEEMS THEY CHANGED WAY TO MANY THINGS,WAY TO MANY.TRUE FANS HATE THIS FILM-ITS A SLAP IN THE FACE, JUST LIKE STREETFIGHTER MOVIES.TO MAKE A SEQUEL TO THE MOVIE IS JUST DRIVING THE NAIL EVEN DEEPER AND POURING SALT INTO THE WOUND.YOU SHOULD HAVE LET THE WACHOWSKI BROTHERS DO DRAGONBALL,AT LEAST THEY HONOR THE MANGA MORE CLOSELY.
  • @arrell

    I think Galactus would have looked ridiculous in a live action movie as a guy bigger than a planet.

    But that's just me. :-)

    Vic
  • Erik cc
    @vic Holtreman
    all right, they could change your cloths but "the guy bigger than a planet" must be a bigger than a planet ! Like a good (but lets stop talking FF)
    ---
    come back to Dragonball:evolution
    "After wath the movie", all of you come back to talk about the "goku vs piccolo fight on the movie".
  • Erik cc
    Fix: Like a GOOD (but lets stop talking FF)
  • Four Eyes
    The fact is this movie just sucks. Flat out. It's a shame because I had hopes for it. I'm not a diehard fan, but a fan nevertheless and all those superficial comments from the actors and the studio about the changes being made are just that: Superficial.

    The plot was too drastically changed to retain much semblance to the original. If you're not going to stick to at least 85% of the original format it makes no sense making the movie.

    They would have been better off making a full length anime.
  • GUNSMITH
    HEY GALACTUS WAS A CLOUD..THAT WAS STUPID, BUT A GIANT GUY WOULD BE STUPIDER? I PREFER SEEING THE GIANT, IT WONT WORK IT WONT WORK, DUDE I WOULD MAKE IT WORK.
  • INK
    Hey Gunsmith –

    Stop yelling.





    Hit the caplocks button dude.
  • SIN187UM
    How about the cast and crew explain why this flick sucks so bad and FAILS. Before you even start bashing YES I HAVE SEEN THIS FILM
  • chickytnt
    I agree with a few changes in the adeptation version of Dragon ball. I am 240 pound bodybuilder with a Goku super sain level one tatoo from the Freeza series and I beilive Justin Chatwin is going to have to get to @ least 210 to 220 to make all the DBZ fans happy. We fell in love with the war's the Z fighters have fault and it would be crazy for the film to have 3 min fight sceans. I will see this move and love it no matter how bad or great it may be.
  • SIN187UM
    Justin Chatwin should never have been Goku in the first place. Him putting on 200lbs will only make him FAIL harder than he already has in this flick. Sometimes fans kill me turning a blind eye to truth. I think u will recant that love it if it still bad statement after you see how awful this flick is. Adaptations were made for the worse here.
  • Emily Katt
    I hope that none of the upset retorts about this film weren't caused by my extensive comment about how I liked it. To clear things up I have this to say:
    I do in fact think that the movie was good. Not many would agree and that's probably because they expected the Dragonball movie to be this amazingly set up production but you see, I wasn't. I knew as soon as I saw the poster that it wasn't going to be at all like I had imagined it. So I went in with super low expectations, so low in fact that the film seemed good to me because it wasn't as bad as I had previously thought. I like the film although there were obvious plot holes and the story didn't follow the anime or manga in the least. But I like the beginning of Goku sort of stories, and I like how they had him grown up when his grandfather died that way he can seem more confused. Because quite frankly the manga made him seem like this super naive and emotionally callous boy. I wanted a character who was willing to cry and have a good emo moment when his only guardian is murdered.

    Though I thought that the film could have been more drawn out and less rushed at the end, and perhaps closer to the actual plot-line of the anime. And I like that they made Roshi less completely perverted (I think someone with that much power should be a bit more serious), and that Chi-Chi was less mean and snappy to Goku and more kind and sweet. But I didn't like how they changed Piccolo's outfit and how they added Mai (Piccolo is evil, so he should do his own dirty work and kill the people he needs to kill, instead of sending her. I kind of makes him look snobby instead of evil.)

    Well anyway, I like this film, and although others may not, its not their job to convince people that they're stupid or any less of a fan if they do like it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I think that we can all agree that...ok they did a pretty schmucky partial job, let's just hope for an insanely better sequel
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