Returning to Captain America: Civil War after their second and third Marvel appearances respectively in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Anthony Mackie (Sam Wilson/Falcon) and Sebastian Stan (Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier) are two of the most crucial characters in the story for Steve Rogers (Chris Evans). Falcon provides unwavering support and loyalty to Cap, while Bucky is the reason Cap and the government are going head to head: Cap thinks his friend can be redeemed while the government just wants the killing machine shut down for good. And even though Falcon and Bucky aren’t exactly on good terms, they somehow end up on the same side of the conflict.
But you wouldn’t know all this important stuff from our interview with the two actors. Put Anthony Mackie in a room with a few people and he’s vastly entertaining and funny, even if it’s hard to keep him on topic. Soon Sebastian Stan can’t keep a straight face either. So everything they say here — especially the part about poor Tom Holland, the new Spider-Man – we would advise you to take with a grain of salt. Maybe.
Can you talk about the relationship between these two guys in this movie? They start out in a not-so-good place but things start to evolve a little…
Anthony Mackie: You have to remember, the last time I saw him he was trying to kill me, so that’s usually not a good sign to start a friendship off of.
Sebastian Stan: It’s gonna take some time to develop the trust.
Do you think there’s a buddy movie in your futures…?
Stan: I keep saying the name 48 Hours, so you know.
Mackie: We’re developing a 48 Hours-esque type movie.
Stan: About zookeepers.
The distinguishing characteristic about Falcon is that he is the guy you always want at your back. Is that how you see him? He’s just sort of unwavering.
Mackie: Fighting is like dating. See what I mean? You always want to come from behind.
Got it. How was your new costume this time?
Mackie: It was great. Tony Stark-erized, you know, Tony gave me all my technology, my gadgets, so it was updated from the other movie.
How was it in the real world in terms of getting into it?
Mackie: It’s the same level of difficulty. I feel out of everybody’s costume, mine has the most pieces. So you just have to piece it and layer it and piece it and layer it until you have it all together. But luckily to take it off, you just unzip one button and it all falls off.
Stan: He just keeps worrying about that little Redwing.
Mackie: Jealousy will get you nowhere.
Anything change on your costume, Sebastian?
Mackie: Nope. Regular old Winter Solder. Metal arm.
Stan: No. What I love is that they gave me this awesome, it was kind of like taking a ski jacket and they’re like, “Hmm. Just rip that arm off. We rip that sleeve and we’ll be good.” You know? But yeah, he’s evolved too.
Mackie: Bucky bought a jacket and was like (looking at arm), “Eh, no.” Rip! (makes ripping gesture) “Now it looks really good!”
Stan: Without it, regular civilian. With it, I’m somebody!
Do you guys do anything to make the new guys welcome, like the first time Chadwick Boseman comes on the set or the first time Tom Holland comes on…
Mackie: Listen, Tom’s a little asshole, all right? So let’s start there. All right. So Tom’s an asshole.
Stan: Lot of hair gel.
Mackie: Lot of gel, lot of mousse. He has like – you know, we have RDJ in the movie. RDJ is RDJ. Tom has his own base camp, he has like an entourage, a bunch of little bitty five-foot motherf***ers with accents walking around with him…it’s a lot, man. He’s a lot to deal with. And you know, he’s like…he’s just a lot.
Sounds like a problem. So you don’t want to be in the Spider-Man movie?
Mackie: I have no desire to hang out with Tom…
Stan: Well, he clearly just realized that he’s not (laughter). After this interview…
Mackie: He’s a problem.
Now on a serious note, if they send everybody off into space to fight Thanos in the next Avengers movie, as we think, are you going to hold it down…
Stan: I know I’m not going…
Mackie: Shit, I don’t know if the arm can make it to space.
Stan: What are we gonna do? Can’t even walk through a metal detector.
Mackie: You’re at LAX (makes beeping sound). “Sir, it’s my arm!”
What do you think Sam Wilson would say if he got into space?
Mackie: I’m gonna need one of those breathing apparatuses that they had in Guardians, and I’m gonna need a blue chick. Because, think about it, have you ever seen an unattractive blue chick? Every blue chick is fine as hell.
Stan: But that’s because most of them are being played by Zoe Saldana.
Mackie (pauses, makes head exploding gesture): You just blew my joint up.
Stan: Yeah, no. Right?
Mackie: No doubt. Can I have Beyoncé as a blue chick?
Stan: It would be great casting.
Mackie: Great casting!
Talk to Kevin Feige.
Captain America: Civil War will release on May 6, 2016, followed by Doctor Strange– November 4, 2016;Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5, 2017;Spider-Man: Homecoming – July 7, 2017; Thor: Ragnarok –November 3, 2017; Black Panther – February 16, 2018; The Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 –May 4, 2018; Ant-Man and the Wasp – July 6, 2018; Captain Marvel – March 8, 2019; The Avengers: Infinity War Part 2 – May 3, 2019; Inhumans –July 12, 2019; and as-yet untitled Marvel movies on May 1, July 10 and November 6, 2020.