‘Captain America 2′: Robert Redford Reveals MASSIVE Potential Spoiler

Published 1 year ago by , Updated July 19th, 2014 at 9:55 am,

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The team assembled for Captain America: The Winter Soldier just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Already boasting a cast rivaling that of The Avengers, Robert Redford is without question the most distinguished of the pack. It certainly came as a surprise when Redford was signed not only to appear in Captain America 2, but in what appeared to be a relatively small role. A great get for Marvel, and an actor capable of playing the head of a shadowy government organization with plenty of class and grandeur.

But as actors unfamiliar with the spoiler-sensitive nature of comic book films often do, Redford has opened up about his role in the next Captain America, revealing more than Marvel likely wishes he had.

In an interview with The Straits Times (courtesy of Here Be Geeks), Redford spoke at length about his career to this point, and the need to constantly challenge himself as an actor. Appearing in a comic book blockbuster definitely fits that bill, even if he would only appear as a superior to Col. Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) as a higher-up in the S.H.I.E.L.D. agency.

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Now it seems new information regarding his role in the film, and what it could mean for the overall plot and inclusion of source material from the “Winter Soldier” story arc has arrived. Those not wanting to be spoiled should stop now.

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In the interview, Redford explained that he sees no reason to slow down just yet; in fact, there’s no time like the present to try roles or films he might not have in the past:

“I think a career requires a certain amount of reinvention. If you get caught in one track I think that can be dangerous. Success has a dark side to it. you want to be careful if you’ve had success at something, that you not try and follow it by just duplicating it. That’s why I’m doing this Captain America thing.”

Knowledge we’d expect coming from such a veteran leading man, and a positive look at the comic book movie craze that would hopefully convince some more established actors to crop up in either DC or Marvel films in the future (Sir Ben Kingsley already has, but…maybe some others with more discriminating tastes).

But it’s the next words out of Redford’s mouth that will grab the attention of fans:

“I like the idea of playing a villain…I did that just because it’s a different thing for me to do.”

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Don’t say we didn’t warn you. Now before anyone jumps to conclusions, it’s worth reminding that the term ‘villain’ can be used interchangeably (but incorrectly) with antagonist. For Steve Rogers (Chris Evans), there may be more than a few characters that fit that description in the events of The Winter Soldier. Described by Kevin Feige as something of a “political thriller” the writers behind the script have also called it a “conspiracy story” that will determine loyalties for The Avengers 2 and beyond.

Rogers showed in The Avengers that his loyalty is to what he knows is right, not to who’s telling him what is and isn’t. So it isn’t hard to picture that pits S.H.I.E.L.D. agents against one another, Cap and Fury included. In that setting, it’s possible that Redford’s character, ‘Alexander Pierce’ is simply an authority figure who has gone too far. But those familiar with the comic book arc that the film is based on know something else is also possible.

Especially since the central villain of Ed Brubaker’s “Winter Soldier” also happens to be named Alexander — sorry, Aleksander Lukin.

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A general in the Soviet Union, Aleksander Lukin eventually rose to oversee many Russian military assets, including the Winter Soldier himself. We’ll spare you the details of the entire story line, but suffice to say that Lukin is the mastermind behind the run-in between Winter Soldier and Captain America. It also happens that his character bumps up against Arnim Zola (Toby Jones), Sharon Carter (Emily Vancamp), and the Cosmic Cube of the first film.

To this point, the villains assembled to take on Cap, Maria Hill, Fury and Black Widow are hard to classify as ‘headlining’ villains – even if we’re looking forward to seeing both Frank Grillo’s ‘Crossbones’ and Georges St-Pierre’s ‘Batroc the Leaper’ in action. Even the Winter Soldier’s fight with Rogers is one that hinges on him obeying his master’s will; a master that has seemingly been missing. Until now.

If Redford has spilled the beans, and is in fact playing a disguised Aleksander Lukin, or variation on the character, then Marvel has added another incredibly promising villain to their movie ranks. Not to mention the mounting evidence that the writers are getting creative with the source material, even if calling on the comics for a new Captain America costume.

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We’ll have to wait and see if Marvel or Redford offers a response to the apparent leak, but we don’t envy the executive tasked with reining in one of the most respected actors currently working.

If the spoiler is accurate, what do you make of the twist? Is it one that you can see paying off and adding to the political intrigue, or would you prefer the writers stick with the more classic formula? Sound off in the comments.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier releases on April 4, 2014.

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Source: The Straits Times (via HereBeGeeks)

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  1. IIIIIIIII neveeeeeeeeer saaaaaw that comiiiiiiiiiiiing

    • MANDARIN REFERENCE!

      • too soon

        • “MANDARIN” REFERENCE.

  2. If true, that’s pretty cool.

    Communist higher-up also working as a SHIELD higher-up with the authority to make executive decisions and undermine Fury’s organisation?

    Yes please.

  3. Robert Redford referring to the CAPTAIN AMERICA movie enterprise as a “thing” sort of said it all, don’t you think?

    • Yeah, when he speaks of challenging himself with this, I have to look at recent world history and wonder if he really just needs to pay some bills.

    • Who cares? Not everyone has to be a die hard comic nerd.

    • My thoughts, exactly.

      “This Captain America thing” has a pejorative ring to it. Needs to pay some bills indeed.

      Frankly, I’m losing faith in Marvel already. Avengers was tremendous, but that was largely because Whedon was involved every step of the way … and he knows what he’s doing.

      Less capable filmmakers can easily screw up these characters; the travesty that was IM4 being a perfect example. Shane Black made an utter mess of it.

      • IM#3…let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

      • Um, no he didn’t. The Mandarin is a stupid, boring, racist character that is a woeful relic of Cold War/Communist paranoia. Just because he didn’t have some Chinese guy with 10 magic shiny rings doesn’t mean he ruined Iron Man 3. Get a grip.

        • I 100% agree

          • +2 (I think some people need some counseling) :-)

      • ““This Captain America thing” has a pejorative ring to it. Needs to pay some bills indeed.”

        I wouldn’t say it was pejorative at all. Maybe showed his lack of understanding, and shows he knows he isn’t the audience for it himself. But he doesn’t seem to treat it light-heartedly or was coasting – he seems to realise that ‘Captain America thing’ is a big, big thing in the world right now and whether he understands it or not, he seems to be proud/excited he was able to be involved in such a big franchise.

        • I just realised you may have meant the original quote, that wasn’t in this article?

          ““The Captain America thing is just a very simple thing. I wanted to do something different. I wanted to do something just to be different. Something bold, different. And that felt like a good thing to do. That was it, nothing more to it than that. Well, it’s bold in terms of expectations, I guess.””

          I hadn’t read that before, but again, I think you read it wrong. I think he was saying “My Captain America decision is a very simple thing” – he wasn’t calling comics themselves simple (aka idiotic). i.e. His decision was to take a role that was different and bolder than he’d have been expected to take.

          Again, if anything, he seems to be saying he was willing to go out of his comfort zone as well as being prepared to fend off any attacks like these ones who see him as a serious actor who needs a paycheck, rather than someone who just wants to do something different instead of the same-old as his career winds down. Pretty much every actor does lighter, funner roles late in their careers; look at De Niro!

  4. I’m pretty sure at some point the red skull will return after hearing reading this. No doubt he could play a major part in captain America 3. Hope they also introduce Dr faustus in the near future as well.

    • Hugo Weaving (Who played Red Skull in Captain America) said that he didn’t want to play the character again as it wasn’t the sort of movie he usually likes acting in.

      That being said, it’s possible that over time he might be more comfortable returning to the role (see Harrison Ford and Star Wars 7), or they could get another actor to play Red Skull as it only needs to sound like him, and make up would do the rest.

      • “Hugo Weaving (Who played Red Skull in Captain America) said that he didn’t want to play the character again as it wasn’t the sort of movie he usually likes acting in.”

        REALLY?!

        The Matrix? Lord of the Rings?

        Yeah, he clearly HATES being a part of big franchises where he plays villains (hell, even Elrond is played pretty ambiguously in the LotR films itself – more ‘Out for his own elves safety’ than wanting to truly help Middle Earth itself, or maybe it is just Weaving’s usual sinister acting that made me think that).

        He’s also known for doing more over-the-top stuff too – think Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, so he can’t even really use “It was more camp than Agent Smith” as an excuse since he played a drag queen before.

        So he clearly doesn’t mind playing the same character twice in big franchises – even a villain, or campier, over-the-top characters.

        I’d like to hear the full, true story on this one; sounds like he had a fall-out with one of/more than one of the Marvel team.

  5. AWESOME!!

  6. If true, that could also set up Redford’s character “becoming” the Red Skull via Dr. Zola’s dark science.

  7. No surprise here, I kinda figured.

    • I love how the title of the article has MASSIVE spoiler. So false ;)

  8. This doesn’t seem like that big of a spoiler to me. It’s cool, it sounds interesting and fun, but certainly not a big deal. I really do think this movie is going to be very good.

    • It surprised me a little. I thought for sure he was going to be some sort of Nick Fury, whether it be original or new

      • Yeah, I spoiler would be-

        ” I’m playing M.O.D.O.K. “

        • *a spoiler

        • That would be surprising… On that note, if they get around to it, who would play MODOK? Dave Thomas? Jack Black? Toby whats-his-face, if they merge the character with Arnim Zola?

  9. You might want to pay more attention to the website DailySuperHero.com, this theory was put together over a week ago on their site: http://www.dailysuperhero.com/2013/04/a-captain-america-winter-soldier-what.html

    • Yeah I was wondering why it never made it to this site before now

      • Because back then it was just another website’s theory?

        Now, due to a Robert Redford interview, it’s actual speculative news. There’s a difference.

        Screen Rant can’t really be expected to publish every theory ever; check out the iMDB boards if you wanna see other theories with no proof or interviews to even start to back them up!

  10. The higher up, the more villainous they are.

    Please be good (the movie). I’m tired of the conflicting opinions that are Iron Man 3.

    • Every super hero movie has conflicting opinions, hince the popularity of the comment section on this website.

  11. You know, it’s funny…Robert Redford would’ve made a really good Earth-616-inspired Nick Fury.

    • Thank you.

  12. I’m not concerned. While it may be a spoiler now, I’m sure it’ll be common knowledge by the time the film opens. Then again… Iron Man 3.

  13. And the speculation begins. Spoilery speculation leads to hype. Hype leads to ticket sales. Ticket sales lead to well obviously, money for the mouse…but more importantly, fanboy negative reactions. The internet goes into uproar…then it all starts again.

    for more information: Google Iron Man 3

    • truer words have never been spoken. you’re a very wise man.

  14. Can I just say that Marvel villains for the movies have been pretty crappy and underdeveloped. they never really feel like a threat. Iron Monger, Whiplash, Abomination, Aldrich Killian, Frost Giants, Red Skull(They could have built him up more) and a boozy British Mandarin. Loki is probably the most interesting out of all of them. I wish Doctor Doom wasn’t licensed out …or Galactus …or green Goblin …or that they didn’t screw up Mandarin. I want villains that are established already and incredibly dangerous.

    • Well, Thanos is coming soon, so I guess you found your threatening villain.

    • To be honest, that’s a criticism of the comic books too. I’ve always thought that Marvel have the best heroes and DC have the best villains and the movies reflect that.

      Loki’s a decent villain in the movies thanks to Hiddleston’s performance but he still never seemed like much of a threat and he was the better Marvel villain in the MMU so far.

      I think that’s why we need Daredevil, The Punisher and Ghost Rider to be made under a more mature production company with Disney’s spare cash so that we can maybe get a villain similar in tone to The Joker or Bane from the recent Batman movies without encroaching on the brighter, bolder, more child-friendly MMU films.

      What I mean by that is Ghost Rider can fight true demons and The Punisher and Daredevil can fight crime through any means necessary, still get the lower age ratings Nolan’s movies got but without watering down the villains for the under-8 crowd due to them being “too scared” or something.

      Honestly, the only adult rated comic book movies we need are Dredd sequels, Deadpool and stuff like Hellblazer and Preacher.

    • Skrulls, Ultron, Kang, Diablo, Whirlwind…and a “real” Mandarin to fight The Avengers. And although it is a different franchise, The Frightful Four (Wizard, Medusa, Sandman, Trapster) versus The Fantastic Four. And Mysterio and Scorpion versus Spiderman. And Mr. Fear versus Daredevil. And….where’s Cyclops!? And….{{{oops, getting carried away…}}}.

    • joeC that’s not going to happen because the writer’s are just Hacks at trying to create a blockbuster and not a story,

  15. All I see in that last picture is Bishop punching Cap’s shield. You call him the Winter Soldier? Sure. He’s Bishop.

    • Bishop, like from X-Men? I don’t really see the similarity.

      • Bucky looks more like Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s version of Cobra Commander from the first GI Joe movie than Bishop. No clue where he got that from either Andrew….Andy….Drew…..whichever you prefer.

    • @ Sunshine – Bishop huh? Okay, it’s Bishop with wrong hair, wrong skin, and no “M.” Okay, now I see it, sorta… kinda… okay… nevermind no, it doesn’t look at all like Bishop.

  16. After Iron Man 3, I am not sure how to take these films and their twists.

    But, Captain America: The Winter Soldier seems solid and hopefully actually follows through with what film-makers are saying. This twist actually makes sense in the context of the stories want to tell. If we are going deeper into the character being a variation of the character described in the article then it would be a reasonable shift and adaptation because it makes sense in the context and if executed well, the character will have the essence needed on screen unlike Iron Man 3′s twist.

  17. What “didn’t make sense” about the Iron Man 3 twist? I thought it was pretty well thought out, and played well in the movie. Even if comic heads threw a fit because it wasn’t “their” mandarin.

    This doesn’t seem like much of a spoiler, as of now. But I guess we will see the closer we get to the release…

    • Agreed.

      It smacks of nerds raging about something that honestly isn’t that bad at all. It’s like they expected Kingsley to go toe to toe with a much younger and stronger guy in a fair fight somehow. The twist was nicely done and while I respect other opinions, I don’t agree with them on that movie.

      • Amen.

    • Di don’t like Black’s Mandarin, but no rage here. Somehow I suspect that these “holier than thou” MCU fans wouldn’t be as complacent if something like this was pulled with Nolan’s Joker. Mandarin may not be iconic, but he IS Iron Man’s arch-nemesis. It shouldn’t be hard to understand why Black’s “ROFL TROLLDYA” approach isn’t being well received.

    • The twist made sense, here is what doesn’t:

      Tony having access to his suits the entire time ruins the movie, not the Mandarin twist. It’s a black hole sized plot hole that swallows the entire film. It turns out that all Tony has to do is link up with Jarvis and he’s good. Once he calls on all his suits at the end, you have to wonder-

      -”why the hell didn’t you do that when your crib was getting attacked, rather then relying on unfinished prototype stuff? I thought you were a genius?”

      -why create “home-depot black-ops” gear instead of calling for a suit?

      - didn’t you have to create a new element in the last movie to solve the problem of your chest? One movie later and the shrapnel can be removed with pliers? What?

      In my opinion, it’s this kind of stuff that makes me not nuts about IM 3, not the Mandarin twist.

      • + 1

      • I’m not mad at the twist that became Black’s version of Mandarin. I actually saw it coming one scene before we got to meet Trevor, when Tony was going up the wall of the compound (if you could call it that) because in my mind The Mandarin would’ve been better protected… and not in Florida! I actually thought it was clever and hilarious, but I can see why some people are a little ticked off at the twist.

        What bothers me about the twist is everything else in the Iron Man Trilogy gets thrown into question. I mean, the Ten Rings organization is real, isn’t it? We met one of the ‘rings’ in the first movie, his group had taken Tony hostage for the Iron Monger, right? Yensen spoke about them as if they had been there a while and they seemed a legitimate terrorist organization. In Iron Man 2 there’s a scene where Vanko buys a passport and some fake IDs from a guy in an alley, that scene was shortened due to time but has an extended version on the Blu-Ray’s deleted scenes that shows a Ten Rings tattoo on the guy selling the documents. I know it’s not canon since it was shortened and didn’t make it into the actual movie but that shows an overall plan that seems quite different than Black’s take on the whole thing. Why would Killian start a fake terrorist organization years before that would eventually become a real terrorist organization and basically get out of his control? Could he even do that? Or did he borrow an existing organization’s name and use it for his own purpose? Wouldn’t said organization become pissed off for being used by an obviously Western leader (fake Mandarin)? Those are the plot holes that bother me.

      • He didn’t have access the whole time. Time for a rewatch. And, no, I’m not going to tell you the answer. But they show why he doesn’t have access till the end of the movie.

    • You have to agree though that they did a better job hiding the twist than The Dark Knight Rises. As soon as Marion Cotillard and Joseph Gordon- Levitt were cast, EVERYONE knew who their roles were.

  18. Well they were probably going to release it all over the world before the US again and it would have been spoiled for us on the internet.

  19. I hope that they won’t “Mandarin” the winter soldier

    • You hope they don’t make him awesome?

      • And a badass mofo that can melt steel with his hands? Idk Killian a.k.a Madarin was a pretty formidable opponent to tony. How many suits did he slag? 3?

  20. Ok people we get it you did not like Iron Man 3 move on already. You saw it, you didn’t enjoy, it’s in the past. Every single comment as to reference Iron Man 3 in it. Go cry to Marvel not on here.

    • The incessant whining is getting old fast.

    • Yeah, I’m sure they’ll get over it soon and stop complaining. We’ll probably stop hearing any mention of it after a few weeks.

  21. Robert Redford as a villain.. in a MARVEL movie.. Can’t wait to see how this plays out and lets hope Cap’s second-go-round is better than Starks.

  22. I think Andrew Dyce needs to teach Comicbookmovie.com how to reveal a spoiler.

  23. Samuel L. Jackson is much better then him

  24. This does kill my theory. I thought, when Redford was first announced, that he was going to turn out to be the real Nick Fury, with Jackson playing an LMD. *shrug*

    • That would be a horrible decoy. How do you replace an old wrinkly white guy with a slightly younger black guy and believe that that’s still a good LMD.

  25. You know what sucks? I hate spoilers but I’m addicted to this site and I can’t not read up on any Marvel updates.
    Luckily, the Mandarin twist wasn’t ruined for me (even if the Mandarin himself was) but I’m beginning to more fully accept that the Marvel films are a universe unto themselves, separate from the comics.
    I think that’s a great thing to embrace to enjoy these movies more. Now if only I can do that with the X-Men films.

    • same here. i did get spoiled by some dink who just randomly put it in a post. his name was spoiler man, so i guess i shoulda seen it comin, but that just burned my toast. oh well.

  26. **SPOILER**

    Redford is gonna play Doughboy with the return of Red Skull…

    :-P

  27. Won’t the Russians get their sensitivities offended? That was the worry with the Chinese over the Mandarin’s ethnic background. (Personally the Chinese and Russians can both slam shut their gobs, and just enjoy a good American film!).

    • A Russian bad guy in an American film? Offensive? Good grief, excuse me while I go enjoy the finest of 80s B-movie fair, from Rocky 4 to Robot Jox. Call me when political correctness crashes back to earth.

  28. I didn’t understand anything this just said. I didn’t even understand what I just typed.

  29. This is only a spoiler if redford begins as a non-villain.

    He could be a version of Dr. Faustus, with another name. One of the shadowy figures on Nick Furys screens maybe?

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