‘Captain America: Winter Soldier’: Sam Jackson Talks Nick Fury’s Lies & Deception

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For a lot of people, the “dark horse” pick from the Marvel Studios’ Phase Two lineup is likely Captain America: The Winter Soldier. However, intrigue has grown as Comic Con 2013 revealed new details about the film’s political-thriller story, which will see Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) working within the organization of S.H.I.E.L.D. until a threat born of both heroes’ pasts comes back to terrorize them in the form of an assassin named The Winter Soldier.

In our interviews with the Winter Soldier cast, we learned that part of the sequel’s story will be Cap learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. isn’t the squeaky-clean place he may have thought it was  - and neither is its director, Nick Fury. Actor Samuel L. Jackson recently opened up about the complications Nick and Cap’s relationship will go through in the sequel film – and also a bit about why the actor feels Fury needs to be a apart of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series that premieres this fall.

Speaking to  USA Today about The Winter Soldier:

You see Nick Fury the office guy, him going about the day-to-day work of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the politics as opposed to that other stuff. It’s great to have him dealing with Captain America in terms of being able to speak to him soldier to soldier and try to explain to him how the world has changed in another way while he was frozen in time. Some of the people who used to be our enemies are now our allies — him trying to figure out, “Well, how do we trust those guys?” or “How do we trust the guys that you didn’t trust who don’t trust you? And explaining to him that the black and white of good guys/bad guys has now turned into this gray area.

Nick lies to him all the time, too. (Laughs) But he’s trying to help him navigate the waters of the new sharks that he doesn’t know anything about.

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Jackson and Chris Evans in ‘The Avengers’

….Everything has another meaning with Nick. Finding the truth of what he’s saying in that particular moment is the important thing. Ultimately there’s a lie in there somewhere. Sometimes it’s a lie he’s been told that he hasn’t discovered, so I have to deal with that all the time.

There’s also the nature of his relationship with different people. Like when he talks to Cap, he can talk to Cap in several different ways. He can talk to him as an equal in terms of they were both soldiers from a specific era, and you understand his kind of morality. He can also talk to him as a guy who’s part of a world he doesn’t know anything about, and he’s a mentor now to help him do something. And then I speak to him sometimes as a boss. There’s all those things I have to blend in to make sure he doesn’t get rankled or ruffled in a certain kind of way and make sure he understands.

And when I talk to Natasha, it’s as a father figure because he loves her in a way that he doesn’t love anybody else as part of that whole group of people. The fact that they’re both members of this shadow world and he knows her past in a way that no one else knows it, there’s an affection and a respect there and a knowledge of that kind of person she is in there. Even if she loves him, if she had to kill him, she would, and he understands that. There’s a way of dealing with her that he can’t deal with anybody else.

There are all kinds of things that happen. When I’m dealing with the world council, I’ve got a whole other attitude. And when I look in the mirror, I have to deal with what kind of patriot am I? There’s Nick dealing with Nick, and how many lies have I told? Have I told so many lies that I don’t really know what’s the truth anymore?

Speaking of lies vs. truths: Jackson also touched on working with Robert Redford, whose character in The Winter Soldier has been rumored to have some surprising turns in store for viewers:

Yeah, he’s part of that World Security Council I was talking to in (The Avengers), just he wasn’t there. We also know each other because we’ve been comrades for a very long time.

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Given what we’ve heard so far, it seems that Captain America, Black Widow AND Nick Fury are going to find old loyalties tested by some new, darker, developments within the S.H.I.E.L.D. organization. And, with said organization slotted to be the major focus of Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, there’s also been question of whether or not Fury will be making his presence felt on the small screen. Right now, however, it seems that only Fury’s second-in-command, Maria Hill (Cobie Smulders), will be appearing in the series; Jackson says showrunner Joss Whedon is keeping Fury out of the TV side (for now):

 …I keep talking to them about it. I keep saying, “If nothing else, let me be Charlie of Charlie’s Angels. Use my voice to send them off to do stuff sometimes.” Joss just looked at me like, “Hmmm. Maybe.”

For more on Jackson talking Marvel, Star Wars and playing a black president in Big Game, read the full interview.


You can catch Nick Fury in Captain America: The Winter Soldier on April 4, 2013; then again in The Avengers: Age of Ultron on May 1, 2015. Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. premieres Tuesday, September 24th, 2013 @8pm on ABC.

Source: USA Today

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  1. they need to put samuel jackson in the show at least every once in while,
    you can’t have a successful marvel movie or show just with shield agents running around and super-powered beings with no name. this will be like the show LOST, first two seasons pure exictment and then its downhill from there.

  2. it would seem odd to have a show about s.h.i.e.d and not have the director of s.h.i.e.l.d in there…itd be like x-men minus prof. x

    • That’s why I have a feeling Jackson’s on his way out.

      He’s appeared in 5 movies so far out of a 9 picture deal (Cap 2 being number 6) and in the comics, Maria Hill took over from him when he ghosted after the Secret War storyline (think it was that anyway, Fury dies in the end but it was just a Life Model Decoy) so it’d be easier and cheaper for them to keep Cobie Smulders on long term and have Jackson appear maybe a handful of times at best.

      • Yes, all is true. But the thing people are overlooking and one of the factors that has Samuel Jackson in more movies than any other actor is that he doesn’t charge much. Plus his role isn’t a huge role. How long was he in Avengers? like less than 10 minutes?

    • Indeed without fury there is really no leadership fur shield in fact nick is what makes shield interesting. im in the fence with this one.



  4. Just gimmee time to get a plate of sandwiches made, and I could watch this movie right about now!

  5. There was a small rumor a while back about Sammy’s Nick Fury being the Nick Fury from the future and that the white(no racism) Nick Fury would appear sometime. But that seems unlikely and sounds kind of stupid. They haven’t hinted at that in anyway and to introduce a time travel story line without having GotG be synchronized or calibrated with the other Marvel movies is just dumb. I just hope that Ultron is made by Tony Stark and something happens to JARVIS and he takes control of Ultron(being an A.I. of course) and he brings havoc on Earth. In the comic books, JARVIS was actually human and he was the Avenger’s butler and he betrayed them a couple of times. SUPPORT STATEMENT: I hope Simon Pegg is Hank Pym/Ant-Man.

  6. My inner-fanboy is hoping that Robert Redford is the *real* Nick Fury, while Samuel Jackson’s Fury is a cover of sorts. Or from another universe. Whatever.

    I just want the classic Nicky Fury on-screen

  7. Jackson lending his voice alone to that show will get it ratings and he wants to do it…

  8. cobie Smolders being on the show would be a plus. And Jackson being there in person a episode here & there would be a bonus. Especially if he’s willing to lend his voice on the show to help the show get ratings which isn’t a bad idea. Maybe do both aslong it’s not a every night thing or every week.

  9. S.H.I.E.L.D strike me as being the super hero admin department for Marvel characters.. You half expect them to be helping them with tax returns and expenses claims.. I am curious to see just how decent a tv show it will turn out to be with no major characters from the films included…

    • Well after the events of Civil War where they have to be registered or imprisoned and Tony became Director of S.H.I.E.L.D, they DO have to fill in tax returns, claim expenses and pick up a government pay check….. I think there’s even dental.

      Dunno if all that’s been changed since, we all know how Marvel like to shake it up every couple of years

  10. Am I the ony one who just LOVES. His attention to character detail &the complexity he puts into the various ways he interacts with each character &the subtle differences in their relationships that ALL in some way tie into the comic lore of how fe know these ppl SHOULD interact with each other – he’s not getting paid NEARLY enough esp when u consider the big stars who just phone it in with comic book movies thesedays – couplet with the fact he has almost ZERO ego when it comes to making the franchise he obviously loves more exciting

    whereas most actors of his calibre would scoff at appearing in a ‘lowly series’ he seems to relish the idea knowing what a kick he and indeed the fans would get from that continuity boost)