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Kane says:

Was ‘Superman Returns’ really so bad… or is it just oh-so-much-fun perpetuating a myth?

Personally, I don’t think the Superman character has EVER been done just right in film or television… but – comparing them all on equal footing, without nostalgic memories that just get in the way of objectivity – I certainly don’t think the recent outing was any worse than what came before.

Gary says:

well,after Clark is bitten by that Radioactive spider…

L.A says:

i was never a fan of Superman and im still not hes to strong and it looks like he does everything with ease… I do respect him though, wasnt he the first comic book??? anyways …
Get him to fight someone of equal strength eg Doomsday or someone strong, i would pay good money to see him scrap it out with someone like Doomsday … But i guess they will do the same thing that theyve been doing since the late 70’s and get him to take on Lex Luthor again.

Gary says:

isnt it typical in these adaptations
to use the arch enemy of the hero?
Well, for Superman thats Lex!
I am sure they will add tougher villains, and more action but thats hardly a guarantee of financial Success.

Patrick says:

Eh, I agree Lex Luther is a weak arch enemy, and I am sick of seeing him as such in the movies. I think they need to put a bad guy in that can kick superman’s @$$. I for one thought lifting a gigantic Kryptonite island and launching it into space was a little much, even for supes. I think that kinda leaves out the option of someone of equal strength in the man of steel. I would like to see doomsday, he might not make the best movie, but at least it would be entertaining to see them duke it out.

personally, I’ve been saying they need to make a Death of Superman movie. I’m not a big fan of Superman either, but the reality is they can’t keep bringing Lex Luthor in over and over again. The Death of Superman is something that might translate into film nicely given Singer’s knack for this stuff. Plus, it’ll set it for a third movie (er..”Superman Returns..again?”). So yeah, I’m riding with Doomsday as well.

I mean let’s face it they can’t put Bizarro or Mxyzptlk into it

Kane says:

Y’know… I suddenly feel a bit vindicated in my relative appreciation of ‘Superman Returns’.

It’s ‘Certified Fresh’ on RottenTomatoes.com, with a 77% positive rating!

I’m actually shocked, given how much people seem to enjoy peeing on it.

Kane says:

(Having said that… ‘Indy IV’ holds the same score. Ugh.)

Jamie Williams says:

It’s also worth mentioning that Routh and his wife were seen having dinner with Gil Adler (one of the key producers on SUPERMAN RETURNS and whose next project lined up is…you guessed it…THE MAN OF STEEL) the Saturday before last.

And then a few days later, Routh confirms that writers are on board working on the script.

So yeah…things are definitely moving foward on the sequel.

Jamie.

nicole says:

I just hope there a lot more action and i want to see superman hit someone i hope there are two more villains e.g doomsday and brainic. kill of jason superman’s child i think he’s completely not needed for the superman films.

Nicole says:

Lex is part of the superman history i agree he’s getting old but thats how his character is ment to be. If he was younger and hot then it would spoil what we know and love about this character.
I think Bizzaro could make an appearance in the next movie just look at brandon routh and use CGI make him look a little bigger and sound a bit like a zombie but not to the point where he looks completely fake. E.G look at the hulk that film did very well and i like it more than the first hulk film.

Kane the average rating for “Superman Returns” is about 3.5/5. That’s good, but not great.

Vic

Reverend says:

I’m half expecting them to pull a Spiderman 3 and just say forget it(gotta remember younger’ns read the site).

You know: Bizarro helps Superman find The Warden and Shazaam to defeat Doomsday who’s controlling Martian Man Hunter– and while they’re looking for those guys Man O’Steel takes over in Supe’s absence.

And Lois is kidnapped again.

Rev

Adrian says:

Big Supes fan. Since you asked, my 1st script would be the following:

Brainiac(Kryptonian A.I.,commonly known as Superman’s second most important villain, following Lex Luthor) in a huge ship coming to Earth following the path of the island Superman threw into space. Brainiac eventually makes his way to Earth, under the pretense of a peaceful exchange of knowledge with the world governments. Brainiac collects all the info and inhabitants of Earth it needs to store about Earth and ask Superman to leave with it to travel the Universe. Superman, however, discovers Brainiac’s true intentions( destroy every civiled planet after collecting enough info to always be the most intelligent and powerful being in the universe) with the help of Luthor. Brainiac fine out about Superman’s son and captures the child to mould/enhance the child to become a weapon of great destrust(Doomsday or Darksied or Mongul). Brianiac sends the ship off with a copy of himself, but leaves an kryptonite extremely armed copy behind to destroy Superman aka Metallo. Epic battle follows with Superman winning, BUT unable to find where the ship has escaped.

That’s my take in a nutshell.

Adrian says:

Forgot to add: child is kidnapped by Brainiac on it’s ship before escaping Superman.

KEL says:

Routh seems like a great guy, he really has respect for Superman. He seems to know what should be in a Superman movie, what the fans want, unlike Singer. They should just let Routh make it. ;)

Honestly tho, I think he has no idea what’s going on with MOS. I feel bad for him. I think he’s just trying to remain optimistic, he’s the only one who’s said anything about the film’s shooting.

What I’d do for the next Superman film is this: REQUEL. I’d keep Routh if I could, tell Singer to get his ass in gear or get a director who cares about Superman, I’d tell a COMPLETELY NEW STORY with no ties to SR or the Reeve films (no bastard child, no Supes leaving a Lois he knocked up and then mind wiped, and NO Richard White) but it wouldn’t be an origin (perhaps the origin would be glanced over briefly in the credits, a la the awesome Incredible Hulk film, or maybe revealed briefly in a scene later in the film), similar to the latest Hulk film (which was GREAT!). I’d have Superman be more of a tough guy who wouldn’t take **** from no one, with a personality more in line with the Byrne era Supes/the JLU cartoons, my Superman would kick some long over due ass. Also, Luthor, if he were in the film, would have a comparatively minor role, he wouldn’t be the central villain this time ’round, and he’d be the evil business man Lex, like the one of the Superman: the animated series cartoons, maybe creating Metallo or something quietly. Both Ma and Pa Kent would both still be living, like the current comics and the afformentioned shows, Clark would more or less be the “real” guy, there’d be some cool flashbacks to Krypton with Jor El and Lara (not Brando, and it’d be a completely different Krypton, like nothing we’ve seen in the movies before), we’d see some of Brainiac there, maybe Doomsday would make a cameo, and Brainiac would be the main villain in the film. Perhaps Superman would face a minor villain for a few minutes at the beginning of the film, like Toyman or Parasite. Strykers Island would appear in it, and as the camera pans thru the prison we’d see some of Superman’s famous rogues, like the Parasite or Bizarro or Toyman or even Live Wire. It’d be an awesome comic book action flick, the only thing it’d have that any previous Superman film had in it would maybe be Routh and the Williams Superman theme. I hope for something like that in MOS.

And in regards to the JLA film comment, I doubt Routh really knows what’s going on with that either, he’s probably just relaying what he read someplace. Altho Common, who was reportedly cast as Green Lantern/John Stewart in the JLA film, doesn’t know what’s up with the film either, but according to this, Justice League is “a go”. Hopefully it happens, hopefully they get their heads in the game and JLA ends up being a good, well casted and directed film, with people who care about the JLA. I’m pro JLA film, I just want it to be a good JLA film.

KEL says:

Shoot….did I lose my comment again? How come it didn’t appear? :o

KEL says:

Yep…..I think I lost it…… :@

INK says:

I like it Adrian.
You are greenlit – carry on, money no object!

KEL says:

Man…I had this big-ass comment I just finshed tying and now it’s gone….!!!!! [angryeyes]

ZAR says:

Why I’ll really liked Christopher Reeve as Superman, the new movie just didn’t work for me.

Probably a complete reboot would have been the best (you don’t have to start with Krypton exploding etc.!) and not a half-hearted homage to the old movies. Let them stand for themselves.

And please, no more Lex Luthor by Kevin Spacey!

And just because of that – wasted – opportunity, X-Men 3 got ruined by the wrong director. :(

ZAR.

Kel, I found your comment, bro.

For some reason the spam filter keeps catching your long diatribes. I’ll keep teaching it that “Kel is good.” :-)

Sorry about that.

Vic

KEL says:

LOL, Vic. Thanks. :)

Love the site’s new look, BTW.

Patrick says:

maybe Superman Returns was good for the real Superman fans. I am not a superman fan, I have read a lot of his stand alone graphic novels, but he has always been on my lame list. unless they do a doomsday movie I really don’t care what happens with The Man Of Steel. in the old movies with reeves Zodd hit him with a bus and everyone thought it was over. in Superman returns Kryptonite doesn’t have much effect on him since he can move giant islands of it. they make him too powerful. the old movies were good though, I loved them as a kid.

Daniel says:

Just please do something different. At least the Batman movies have tried different villains. All the Superman films have been Lex. I would love to see Brainiac

greenknight333 says:

Superman III & IV did not have Lex as the villian and Batman used the ScareCrow and Rhas AL Ghul as the villians so that was different but right back to JOker & Two-Face who both have previously featured in earlier incarnations of Batman on film.

greenknight333 says:

Solomon Grundy anyone although it would just be a slugfest as Grundy is not the sharpest tool in the shed but I guess Luthor could figure out some way to control him…I like the Braniac idea from Adrian above or bring in a few villians who really pummel Supes by the end of Man of STeel and segue to Superman needing help in a third film and this would be a great way to start introducing some other heroes like Green Lantern & Flash and Wonderwoman coming in special cameos to help out the SuperDude…

the old man says:

Just the words, “Man of Steel” sounds too much to me like the story has something to prove for their to be a super hero team up. Perhaps in a third outing to keep interest high, that way these Justice League problems could be worked out. If the “Avengers stumbles then “Justice League” might go into limbo. “Watchman” might be the wild card that will push the studio to commit! Lets hope.. :)

Rob says:

Superman Returns was an awesome flick and that kid you complain so much about has like one scene and one line of dialogue so it aint that bad.

It was a good move Bryan Singer left X3 for Superman, his movie was so much better and X3 was one of the worst films ever made for the money and stories it had going for it.

790 says:

Brandon is such a great dude.

No matter what, they sure picked a star.
He’s going to be a great actor not just a great supes.

Patrick says:

Yeah, Brandon Routh is pretty good, as superman he should bulk up a little more though.

790 says:

This is hollywood he doesn’t need to bulk up. (Make-up can add bulk in the costume).
There’s a delicate balance between Clark Kent and Superman.

Clark can’t be too buff looking.

Brooster says:

I have a feeling DC is going to do some rewrites with Superman after they have seen what Marvel is doing and how well it is working….Green, you may be right on…i think they might try it

Danny says:

First of all, Lex luthor should still be in the film. But he has his girl and maybe 1 hench men. Just like the christopher reeve series. The love between lois lane and superman and superman between his battles should be separate. And the villains i propose would be metallo, braniac, parasite and cyborg superman. First the villains don’t meet. The land in uncertain places and they meet with the man of steel one at a time. Then they meet each other and then they start to gang up on superman. And above all, superman should use all his super powers that the creators of the superman comics had given him. Base the movie on the comics and I’m pretty sure that it will be a total hit. Make the new superman film a film where superman can use all his powers.

greenknight333 says:

Even if Supes used all his powers there is no way he could defeat those four on his own so bring in Flash, Green Lantern and Wonder WOman is special cameos to give us a taste of what a JL movie would be like….

Mike Mahoney-38 says:

I disagree with the first sentence of this article about Routh telling us all of the same. Yes, Routh has been saying they’re supposed to start filming MOS in early 2009, but he’s also always said they’re supposed to START the script sometime. Now he’s saying that the script is being written. Those are two different statements.

Though, I’d be willing to bet that it’s probably just an outline for certain events in the film until official writers come on board to give it a treatment or two.

Nicolaas says:

I didn’t think Superman Returns was that bad… it just wasn’t exciting enough! I mean, we have the property development as main plot and love child as the sub-plot, how exciting can it get?!
The success of the revised Batman franchise is showing us a comic movie can be edgy and serious.

My opinion, and I see a lot of others, is somehow who can put up a fight, and maybe make Superman make some hard choices – like will he kill to protect the ones he love?!

So, for what its worth, my baddie choices will be Doomsday, after seeing how they got Abomination to look pretty sweet in Hulk! As well as Bizzaro, exactly is equal! I’d have Lex in there, just cause you cant have Super without Lex, but just have him orchestrate the fight.

thedonattos says:

“I hope that they actually make a Superman movie with Superboy in it. Tom Welling would be perfect for the part of Conner Kent (Kon-El). That would be freaken sweet having that kind of movie!”

Guy Winston says:

In Man of Steel, I wish they’ll make a segment where kent remove his glasses showing that hairstyle change especially the curl, and his eyes from brown to blue.For sure it’ll make history.

the old man says:

I had a girl friend once that had eyes that changed color with her emotions. Seriously, its not that far fetched of an idea.

Guy Winston says:

Thanx a lot man! Alas I’ve fin’lly found the site with good guys in my side.May I ask your opinion bro. Given the present time and technology and Reeves and Routh of same age.who in your opinion should you choose? I like both of them though.

the old man says:

Reeves edges out Routh, but only slightly.
Personally it was Reeves ability to impart in the Superman character a little extra charisma, that “knowing smile” that tells you, I know the
score and I know you know it too.

That sounds slim, but for me, that’s just how slim it is.

Guy Winston says:

Yeah. That’s true. One more thing,I think Routh doesn’t need artificial muscles next time. I mean look at him worked out.Four times a week.

Paymon says:

Returns wasn’t bad it just needed a few things…Lois was miscast. The whole attitude thing was wrong….Routh was good because he was basically asked to play Chris Reeve’s Superman and he did….Superman needed to have more emotion. He was way too calm in the movie. He needed to get angry and lose it some….The new movie should explore things that never has been explored such as why do the glasses work as a disguise? How was the suit made? We know Superman is basically indestructible but why does the suit not ever get harmed? And for once, someone create a movie that doesn’t include Krytonite as the way to harm Superman. That’s why an alien with similar powers should face off with him. I could go on and on….

the old man says:

I think if even the character Superman works out its gonna show.

Check “The Science of Superman” fills in gaps the movies really don’t need to cover.

Paymon says:

Most people (other than fans) won’t see “The Science of Superman”. I think they should cover things like that in the movie for just the average movie goer and not assume everyone knows it. I mean they don’t have to go into a big ordeal but a little comment or something. There are kids going to see this film with their parents that have no clue what Superman is really about. We know that stuff but I think it’s important to do a movie for everyone. Batman Begins did a great job of doing that. I will say that Superman is harder to write than Batman. I think Singer did a good job for the most part but the movie could have been a little darker and little more faster paced. I went to see Returns 5 times while it was at the theater because I wanted to make sure I did my part to get another one made, as did most true fans. I just want whatever WB does to be the right thing so that we can keep Supe on the big screen. That’s all I’m hoping for. I don’t want to wait another 20+ years to get another one made.

Guy Winston says:

Same here.I Did watched SMreturns 4 in theater and countless times at home.Yeah,lois indeed was miscast.Her appearance at times is somewhat irritating. Still I for one am anxious for WB to get another one made. Right now I’m busy with Science of Supe. Thanx for the reference man. I’m enjoying these brilliant comments from both of you

the old man says:

Well I’m at a little bit of a loss…

Paymon: You want a Superman that’s a little darker but more intelligible to kids?? Which would you like to talk to your kids about more, the less intelligible parts,the darker parts or the darker unintelligible parts? Not trying to be flippant but rather curious where you think the line should be drawn?? By the way, welcome to the thread. :)

Paymon says:

I see what you’re saying. I guess it seems like I want it both ways but basically, I want the PG-13 rating and a movie w/o a lot of the cursing but there are ways to make a movie where the kids can watch w/o catering to them. Batman Begins is a perfect example of how to do it. It’s plenty dark but (in my opinion)also not too bad where you wouldn’t let your kids watch it. Again, i understand that it is a challenge to write such a thing for Superman but let’s let him lose his temper and let his human side come out some. I think people (general audience) would appreciate a superhero they can relate to on an emotional level. That’s really the only place Superman is vulnerable. In Returns, Singer attempted to show his emotional side but I think he failed. On one hand he made Superman a boy scout w/o emotion and in control of himself and on the other hand here is Superman being a peeping Tom and a person of low integrity when he almost kissed Lois on the roof. It was Lois who pulled away not Superman. It was kind of a weasel thing to do and something that isn’t consistent with who Superman is. That’s just the way I see it.

Thanks for the welcome!

@Paymon Those are some of the reasons I really wasn’t a fan of SR.

Vic

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