• Matt
    QOS was AWFUL! Such a dissapointment after the amazing CR. Just as they'd got Bond back to it's brilliant best, they throw that disaster at us. The problem for the producers is that these films make a ton of money, regardless of whether they're good or not. I mean Die Another Day made a fortune! Invisible cars, CGI Halle Berry,cmon RUBBISH! Rather than tying themselves in nots trying to 1. Look like Bourne 2. Pay homage to previous Bonds (girl covered in Oil instead of gold), they should get a decent story first! Look at The International (brilliant), or even The Bank Job (superb). The tension comes from the story first, not the stupid super shaky camera and quick cut editing. Why don't the producers get Sebastian Faulks on the case? His book Devil May Care is brilliant, and his ability to write in the style of Fleming is great. Cmon Brian/Barbara, TAKE YOUR TIME, GET IT RIGHT!
    By the way, Casino Royale is my favourite Bond film. At last a Bond you can take your girlfriend to. He's as good if not better than Connery. That scene in the shower with Vespa. Cmon, that's coooool.
  • Packy
    @DrSamBeckett

    I'm not saying that you don't know your Bond, however; I am asserting that the Bond we are seeing in the Daniel Craig era of films is perfectly in line with the Bond that is portrayed in Casino Royale (the novel), and since Quantum of Solace (the film) is a direct continuation of that specific Bond it stands to reason that he would not have evolved into the spy that he would become yet.

    "Here Bond is not the charming, witty sophisticate that other novels and films would make him. Casino Royale is noticeably lacking in humor, and Bond is equally noticeably cold and ruthless, yet at the same time a romantic susceptible to love's pangs. In fact, the novel is as much a love story - with a sad ending - as an espionage thriller." - The Denver Post -

    It wasn't until Moonraker and most notably From Russia With Love that the Bond that we all know and love was fleshed out as the elite spy who enjoyed the finer things. I believe the film series will evolve into the From Russia With Love Bond, and possibly start in this new film. He's gotten through his rough and tumble beginnings, and now with his past behind him, can become the sauve and charming spy that he was destined to become.
  • Ash Ali
    @DrSamBeckett

    "The entire plot is nonsensicle"

    In fact, the plot is completely realistic. Have you seen the condition the world is in? Fresh water, as surprising as it may sound will become the number one natural-resource all international matters will be fought over.

    "The World Bank reports that 80 countries now have water shortages that threaten health and economies while 40 percent of the world — more than 2 billion people — have no access to clean water or sanitation. In this context, we cannot expect water conflicts to always be amenably resolved."

    http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/dec99/Feature...

    ...Yeah, COMPLETELY nonsensical.
  • Ash Ali
    @

    "The entire plot is nonsensicle"

    In fact, the plot is completely realistic. Have you seen the condition the world is in? Fresh water, as surprising as it may sound will become the number one natural-resource all international matters will be fought over.

    "The World Bank reports that 80 countries now have water shortages that threaten health and economies while 40 percent of the world — more than 2 billion people — have no access to clean water or sanitation. In this context, we cannot expect water conflicts to always be amenably resolved."

    http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/dec99/Feature...

    ...Yeah, COMPLETELY nonsensical.
  • @Packy

    i too have read all the original books, and all the ones written by John Gardener and Raymond Benson. I know my Bond.

    My point is this, The new films may be showing Bond being moulded into the man we know, but in the books, did Bond ever kill the way he does in QOS? When he kills the only lead they have?

    The answer is no. In Flemming's novels, Bond was more like a governement assassin, he was never a mindless brute who killed without thinking.
    The Bond of the books always enjoyed the finer things in life, he was in many ways a complete snob, in QOS Bond is so far removed from the Flemming character, I find it impossible to even think they are alike. It just isnt the case.
  • Packy
    @DrSamBeckett

    I happen to love the original Ian Fleming novels for James Bond. Quite a bit more than the movies, actually. The critics are correct in stating that Daniel Craig's Bond is more in line with Fleming's original vision.

    Fleming once said in a Reader's Digest interview, "I wanted the simplest, dullest, plainest-sounding name I could find, 'James Bond' was much better than something more interesting, like 'Peregrine Carruthers.' Exotic things would happen to and around him, but he would be a neutral figure — an anonymous, blunt instrument wielded by a government department."

    I believe these new set of Bond films are supposed to show us how Bond went from being the blunt instrument to the suave and sophisticated spy we all know and love from the Sean Connery era.

    I plan to give them the benefit of the doubt when it come to Bond 23. Do I think QOS amazing? No. Do I think it was horrible? No. I feel it was a bookend piece that tied off all of his unprofessionalism and moved his character forward rather neatly, perhaps a bit uninspired, but neatly. The Bond we will see in Bond 23 will be the Bond at the end of QOS, the one that is done getting too close to the situation, the one that is done with vendettas, the one that is ready to protect the world in style.
  • Quantum Of Solace.

    Opening sequence, always supposed to be a highlight of any Bond movie; Goldfinger, Thunderball, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, are all prime example of how it should be done.

    In QOS, it was a two minute dull ride. So badly edited you could barely tell what was going on, it starts to get exciting, then it's over.

    It set the tone of the movie. Almost everything that followed was a disaster, the villain was a nobody with no real plans to do anything, he was stealing water to destabilise a country's infrastructure to allow a despotic general to take over. Just stupid, a diamond covered satelite that turns into a laser is more likely!

    The entire plot is nonsensicle, bring back Mathis, a great character, and then kill him off in such a wasteful fashion. And never really explain his suspected involvements in Casino Royale.
    As for it being a revenge story, Bond has already done that and much better in License To Kill, when it gets to the end with him tracking down Vesper's 'Boyfriend' who even remembered that had anything to do with the plot? Most people in the audience were scratching their heads in joint confusion.

    The whole idea of this new realistic Bond was thrown well and truly out of the window during the absurd parachute sequence, something actually done years before in Moonraker, the CGI in that section was terrible.

    As pretty as Olga Kurylenko is, she is a terrible actress, and following Eva Green's fantastic Vesper made it even worse.
    Gemma Arteton did a thousand times better, her character of Agent Fields should have been the central female lead.

    Every action sequence that had been shown on the trailers had obviously been sped up, because in the film itself, they are outrun by snails in mobility scooters!

    Only Bond destroying the solar powered hotel at the climax, bore any resembalance to a decent action sequence. And his way of dealing with Dominic Greene was inspired.

    The worst thing as well, were all the critics and others saying, how close this was to Flemming's original version of the character. It couldnt be further from the truth. Flemming's Bond was a lot of things, but he was never a mindless thug who killed for no good reason.

    All the good faith Casino Royale had built up with its reinvention of a classic character was destroyed with QOS, and now Bond 23 has to do all that hard work again. Shame, it made me like Craig less as Bond!
  • the_old_man
    Well how many think Sean Connery will be the next Bond Villain?
  • Bradyhawke
    @Packy & 790

    As long as he doesn't drive off with Sally Field in the car, she's been taking Boniva for some time now, you know that's got some messed up side effects like sweaty fingers or explosive diarrhea...
  • Packy
    @790

    precisely, he trades in the Aston Martin for a classic '76 Pontiac Trans-Am, tosses on a cowboy hat and rides off into the credits.
  • 790
    I loved QOS for the way Bond went on his little revenge binge...
    ^
    Lol, Packy:
    "He looks at the camera and smiles (a la Burt Reynolds Bandit style) and says, “That’s right, I’m Bond, James Bond. Deal with it.”

    And then the tune "East Bound and Down" cranks up in typical Bandit style,,, :-)
  • Packy
    @DrSamBeckett

    No need to make this personal. You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am, regardless of which films we like and dislike. Play nicely.
  • DrSamBeckett
    @Packy

    I'm sorry, you think OHMSS is the worst Bond film? It's easily one of the best, it has an emotional core that no Bond has ever managed to reach.

    You must be a QOS fan
  • @ Jason

    Thanks for pointing that out. A correction has been made.
  • Packy
    The only way the new Bond film could shock me, is if you see Bond strapped into a machine, his face obscured from view. It would appear that all of his vitals are being monitored, and he seems to be reacting to a virtual environment. Cut back to Daniel Craig as Bond, performing an action set piece, in the shuffle he is killed and the screen says, "Game Over." The Bond strapped to the machine gets out and takes the helmet off to reveal that it is Timothy Dalton and that he has been the Bond all along and that the last 6 Bond movies never happened. He looks at the camera and smiles (a la Burt Reynolds Bandit style) and says, "That's right, I'm Bond, James Bond. Deal with it."

    Otherwise, we're in for a big conspiracy and espionage flick that will not be shocking at all. Not that I don't enjoy the Bond films, but it's not like I watch them for their amazing plot twists either.

    And for the record, my least favorite Bond film is, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service," any movie with that bad of a Bond, with that horrible of a production value that also kills off Mrs. Peel at the end of it all, deserves to rank as the worst of them all. Just saying.
  • DrSamBeckett
    I have seen every Bond film, dozens of times, I know Bond in and out. QOS was so far removed from everything that has made James Bond an icon.
  • Jason
    come on guys, mi6.co.uk didn't talk to Peter Morgan. Morgan gave an interview to an Austrian newspaper (KURIER), German Bond-fansite www.jamesbond.de published the story and mi6.co.uk just republished it...!
  • Duke
    @ DrSamBeckett

    Quantum Of Solace the worst Bond ever? You can't be serious?

    Have you not seen the ones starring Roger Moore?

    Now they WERE tripe. And yes, I am a Bond fan.
  • tasouli
    QOS was not that bad. People think that there was no direction and point to the movie but I a disagree. The point was that Bond was fruther looking into the organization taht was responsible for Vesper's death and at teh same time trying to overcome his pain,anger, and resentment towards the death of his love. Granted some of the action was over the top and we really dont get any resolution in the film I think that this film was still good.
  • @Ash Ali

    Yes. I am deadly serious. Every other Bond movie has something about it to recommend, in QOS, there is nothing good. Nothing at all.
  • Ash Ali
    @ DrSamBeckett

    Worst Bond film ever? Really? Worst? No other Bond films come to mind? Any? Seriously?
  • Quantum Of Solace had a shocking story, it was so shocking that it was most likely the worst Bond film ever committed to the silver screen.

    Bond 23 needs to bring back all the Bond esue stuff that was there in CR but sadly lacking in QOS.

    Even Daniel Craig said QOS was too far in the wrong direction, he wants to fun and one liners put back in the franchise.

    If they bring back the character of Blofeld,it has to serve the story rather than do it for the sake of doing it, they need a tighter story and some james Bond characters.
    All the characters in QOS were wrong, the only two decent characters who gave anything to the movie, Mathis and Fields, were killed off.

    Bring back Q and, please, Billie Piper as Moneypenny!
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