‘Batman’ Comic Writers Agree: Christopher Nolan ‘Got It Right’

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As the years go by, it’s becoming more and more certain that no matter how flawed or divisive a version of Batman may be released, the character is strong enough to endure. That fact was shown in person at San Diego Comic-Con 2014 where some of the most beloved “Batman” writers were on hand to celebrate thee Dark Knight’s 75th Anniversary. Among the questions fielded by the prestigious panel was one asking which, if any, film or director had captured the character as they would hope. And surprisingly, several agreed that Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale delivered the best version yet.

There are sure to be fans and detractors of just about any comic book adaptation these days, and whether Christian Bale’s version Bruce Wayne/Batman is criticized for its unmistakable voice, lack of ‘detective work’ or simply not fitting the part for some, those responsible for the DC Comics icon aren’t so harsh.

With a panel consisting of award-winning “Batman” writers, editors and artists Denny O’Neil, Neal Adams, Grant Morrison, Frank Miller, Scott Snyder, Geoff Johns and Jim Lee, it would be hard to claim a more reliable resource for all questions pertaining to the modern Batman. So when one fan asked which film versions they felt had ‘gotten it right’ (if any), “Batman” editor Denny O’Neil (creator of both Ra’s and Talia al Ghul in the original comics) didn’t mince words:

“I can answer that in two words: Christopher Nolan. I created one of the characters in the first and third, so you would expect me to be pretty picky about it. And about halfway through that script I thought: ‘My God, he’s doing it better than I did. He really gets this character… why the hell didn’t I think of this?’ He is a man who has great respect for the source material – that’s not always been true – and a master of his own craft.”

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Legendary writer Grant Morrison (“Batman R.I.P.”, “Batman and Robin”) was quick to offer support for Nolan’s work on Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, although warned that his love of the character may make him less… discerning than others:

“I loved the recent Christopher Nolan stuff. For me that was the best distillation of Batman: it incorporated a lot of stuff that Denny and Neal had done as well, which was nice to see. And also Frank’s stuff. So I think he got it really, really, right. But as a Batman fan I like all of them, even those dumb [director Joel] Schumacher ones. No matter how many bullets you put into the guy, you can’t kill Batman.”

While Nolan’s decision to portray Bruce Wayne as a darker, more visibly tortured soul turned off some movie fans, it’s no surprise that comic writers would appreciate the shift. Since Batman was always been allowed to be more of an antihero or, at times, a downright callous figure on the comic book page, there had never been much overlap with film versions. As Zack Snyder has made clear already, Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice will be sticking to Frank Miller’s “Dark Knight Returns” even more closely than expected.

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But not every writer spoke quite as glowingly about Nolan’s trilogy. Neal Adams(frequent collaborator of O’Neil’s) claimed that while 75 years of writers had managed to capture the mythic elements of Batman, a film had yet to do it. But he did hold out hope for the version Snyder is pursuing – even if it is just based on the costume:

“The last three movies that came out, I believe the first two were good. I liked the third one… but I thought it wasn’t exactly Batman. I’m hoping that the people who make the [next] films take a little more armor off of him, or make it it out of something where we can see his muscles. And stop making masks that make his face look like this [squishes cheeks].

“I know nobody asked me about Ben Affleck, but you know what? I think he’s terrific.”

These respected voices aren’t likely to end the debate of whether Nolan and Bale did the Dark Knight justice or missed the mark entirely, but they certainly provide some ammunition (for both sides, depending on how you view their work).

What do you think? Have writers and directors managed to capture every aspect of Batman’s character on film, or is there something you think has been missing? We’ve got our own hopes for a new Batman in a Justice League universe, but welcome any thoughts or responses in the comments below.

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  1. I believe Affleck will win in the long run, after all the Bat films Snyder did his homework and is focusing more on the source material. Hopefully we get to see Affleck version as “the worlds greatest detective”, and better fight scenes cause Nolans was just bad. My favorite of all Batman films “BATMAN BEGINS” true to the source material, great cast, good performance, love the soundtrack

    • Snyder couldn’t even get Superman right.

      • Explain why so I can tell you why youre wrong.

        • I feel the people who complain about Man of Steel, have never read more than 1 version of Superman. Man of Steel had SO MANY elements of Superman’s wide history and tons of winks and nods and fan service. If you are still complaining about Man of Steel, you clearly
          A)have not read nearly enough Superman comics
          or
          B)have not read ANY Superman comics ever
          or
          C)are only familiar with the Dini-Tim verse Superman and whatever current incarnation is on tv

          • Look, if you like Man of Steel that’s fine, more power to you. But to say anyone who didn’t like it-knows nothing about Superman is completely detrimental to having a reasonable argument. It leaves no room for people to comment, and makes you come off as childish as a result.

            I don’t consider myself a Superman fan. Batman will always be my go to hero. But I have read a handful of well-revered Superman comics, from Red Son to Kingdom Come-from All-Star Superman to Superman: Secret Identity. All of which have presented Superman as less than perfect, naive, rash and yes even a savior.

            The problem with Man of Steel isn’t the destruction, it isn’t the violence, it’s how it is presented. It wants to portray a humanized Superman, it wants to have a deep and complicated character, BUT it also wants to be a mindless special effects driven disaster movie among the Bay and Emmerich movies. Long-winded action scenes where characterization and story are left by the wayside. It wants it both ways and couldn’t stick the landing for me.

            I didn’t even hate the film, I thought it was okay. But let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that it did the character of Superman justice. As much as we want Superman to be ‘like us’ a fallible human being, the truth is that Superman is not that, even though we want him to. He is SUPERman, he is the benchmark, the individual who all others should aspire to be, the hero that all children should look up and marvel at. He IS meant to be above us.

            Instead he was reckless, stubborn, needlessly destructive, and dim witted, but because he killed the bad guy, all is forgiven. Cheers and applause. What message does that send to the children who look up to Superman? That the ends justify the means? That as long as you stop the bad guy, it doesn’t matter how many innocents die in your wake? That’s not Superman. I’m not a Superman fan and even I know that. He is the kind of hero that would let the bad guy get away if it meant saving the life of a single person. THAT is Superman. And THAT is why people have problems with Man of Steel.

            • Man of Steel sets up how he will become that superman.. He made mistakes, he was reckless and careless, but that’s all going to play into SvB.. and I’m willing to bet that by the end of that movie you’ll have the supes that you just described.

            • I get your point about giving kids somebody absolutely flawless to look up to, but I somehow also think they’d learn more about the real world and human nature if we don’t always sugar coat everything, but give them a little credit and trust that they’ll understand something deeper or more complex.

              We should probably also remember that all the stuff that makes Superman super is superficial (no pun intended). He’s got all these physical abilities. But that doesn’t mean he’s automatically a good (or perfect) person also.

              Personally I like when the heroes are also human. I also think that’s what for example Marvel got so right when they started. They made heroes that was also human when DC was still making heroes that was perfect poster boys.

              Also, this isn’t really a movie for the (smaller) kids as it’s rated PG-13 and therefore deemed inappropriate for kids younger than 13.

              As far as the destruction goes, I think people are taking it too seriously. I will certainly agree that it can be a dumb form of entertainment. It’s that other part of the critique about how bad it was that all this material stuff got destroyed in the battle to save the population of the entire planet.

              That would be like a man getting attacked by 3 robbers in his home and after a big fight with all of them, he somehow defeats them, or they take off, and his wife comes home and complains that he couldn’t have handled that without smashing up everything.

              I mean, come on. It’s not like he was in a situation that he could just control. He was fighting 3 people who’s powers matched his own, plus they had military combat skills.

              But it’s okay that people don’t like it. After all it gives us something to talk about ;)

            • Nicely put. My problem with the movie was that Superman is, as you said, relatively dim-witted. The Superman I read was as smart as the various scientists he would collaborate with, and he was more than a match for Lex Luthor’s evil genius…I prefer the idea of a man with incredible physical power using his brain to win…

          • MOS doesn’t suck because of superman’s comic lore – it sucks because after an hour it devolves into a mindless beatdown – boring!

            • MoS doesn’t suck at all. It’s an amazing film.

              • I loved it. I’m a comic book movie and video game fan.

                My friend, who hates comics, said he loved Thor and didn’t like Superman at all.

                I agree that MOS was great as a Superman fan, but as a movie, it has a lot to nitpick at.

              • how can anyone who says they like Superman like MoS? It so untrue to the ideals of Superman, Superman could have done any number of thing to stop Zod, but the film makers took a lazy way out, just for cheap shock effect.

                It was so totally mindless in the end, worse than Transformers 2, by the time he for some reason smashed up that drone at the end I had had enough of this ugly rubbish! Superman 1978 is still an amazing magical film, that will be remembered and taken up by future generations, not so MoS.

                MoS does outsuck all. It’s an abyssal, horrible film.

                • Mos marks the 3rd time (not 1st) that Superman kills Zod, that I remember. There may even be more times, but I remember 2 previous times before MoS.

                  So these film makers are certainly not the first to take this “lazy” way out.

                • Ummm…It is VERY easy to love MoS, ESPECIALLY because I’m a Superman fan. The characterizations of Kal and Zod (and, to the lesser extent that they acted more in supporting roles, the other characters too) and the development of Kal as a person AND into a hero (of course, not yet fully realized) were wonderfully and effectively carried out. The emotional aspects and a good bit of the philosophical back-and-forths were fascinating. The story was fantastic. The fighting throughout (including the major throwdown finale’) was cool to see and was INDEED over the top…as it would be if such beings engaged in a to-the-death battle.

                  As for the “Zod could have been moved or redirected or talked down, instead of being killed” argument, MANY people commenting over multiple threads have already quite logically explained why events unfolded the way they did…THAT is not even worthy of being addressed yet again…EXCEPT for one aspect: A sad number of whiners have complained it was lazy writing or done simply for shock value. Considering the pathetic complaints by some about how the battle’s conclusion transpired, I would counter by pointing out that the neck-breaking involved a LOT more thought and care than simply having Kal throw him into the Sun or miraculously binding/arresting him or…fill-in-the-blank. I think it was disturbing and horrible…and brilliant.

        • Are you really sure you want to have a discussion about 70+ years of comic history and a one-year-old movie, Mr. Pikachu.-Avatar?

          I mean, Are you really sure that’s what you want to do? Really sure? Seriously?

          • Are you sure you want to reference his avatar in a discussion about 70+ years of comic history and one-year-old movie? Or discuss the details of a movie whilst simultaneously bashing someone just because of a dumb avatar? C’mon, discuss whatever you want, but don’t do that.

            Maybe he was being flipant to you, but I can sort of see why. Despite what the internet “says” a lot of people enjoyed the movie. The difference is that when people dislike things on the internet, they tend to drop that on every comment section of every article ever. Opinion is actually very divided on this movie, wouldn’t you say?

            Whatever the thing is we’re talking about, you CAN notice that when people dslike stuff it’s very easy to go to any article and just say “That sucked.” or “He couldn’t make anything right.”. It gets annoying, that is all.

            Personally, I think the movie was, in the very least, watchable. You know what’s bad? Wolverine Origins, Catwoman, Batman & Robin. Those are truly bad.

            • Can’t edit the post so here’s this:

              I often forget this (don’t we all?) but I’m trying to not forget that we’re just talking about superhero movies and wouldn’t be talking like this in real life.

              What didn’t you like about the movie?

      • but Nolan got Batman spot on right? the guy couldnt even make Gotham look like Gotham let alone get the characters right. Batman Begins gave that franchise alot of potential, went downhill after that film.

        • And ur jus a marvel girl, what do u know about a good movie..

          • More than you know about grammar.

            • @ACW 007 And more than you know about a good movie

    • LOL @ source material.

      Source material too cartoony and silly; there was a reason Nolan went for the realistic tone. Nolan co-wrote Man of Steel and that is why the story was decent; without Nolan anymore I worry about the DC movie universe.

      • @ Dude
        So you’re saying without C.Nolan DC Universe will not succeed?
        Thats like saying without Jon Favreau Marvel universe won’t succeed , little did you know Joss Whedon came to town $1.46 Billion worldwide.
        Captain America: Winter Soldier is a great example
        forget Green Lantern, DC will rise !

    • Absolutely right on that! I cringe when I hear someone say they like The dark Knight rises! It was so horrible in story and execution. I love Batman Begins and The dark Knight, so I hate the way the third film played out… That fight between Bane and Bats was horrible!

      • Cringe, cringe, and cringe even more:

        I. LOVED. “THE. DARK. KNIGHT. RISES”.

        You are most welcome. :)

        • (MOVIE SPOILERS) – Dark Knight Rises was a decent movie, but it just didn’t really capture Batman. Bane was difficult to understand and also it doesn’t make sense he didn’t unplug his mask earlier (when Bane was letting Bats hit him in the sewers like 50 times.) The whole thing was more like a finale/end to a part time Batman – who at the end quits and goes on vacation for the rest of his life!? Talia was thrown in there for a minute. Robin was a cop, recognizing Bruce was Bats because of his fakeness in public, who when Batman was getting jumped by a bunch of guys couldn’t do one thing! Robin (dick grayson, tim drake or damien – lets leave out jason todd) is such a great character, and the bond between Batman/Robin and Bruce/Dick is such powerful one and teaches them both solid lessons. In the comics/animated series Robin is headstrong and wants to jump into the thick of it. Just too many characters thrown in and not developed. Dark Knight Returns was one of the best. They need a movie where Robin gets found as a kid but doesn’t even don a costume or actually become Robin until the next movie, leaving tons of room for character development.

  2. icon!!!!!!

    iconic!!!!!!!

    epic!!!!!!!!

  3. I liked the Nolan films for being both thrilling & unpredictable. He focusses on the story, being as authentic & realistic as humanly possible. The problem is Batman was heroic but not really a ‘superhero’. The fight scenes were bad in all three of the movie because they didn’t really suspend my disbelief. Batman felt more like a troubled man playing dress up.

  4. What is so good about Batman comic is how deep and tragic the story can be, personal and isolated, not to mention dark and twisted, insane crime fighter fighting insane villain.

    Nolan trilogy lacked on detective work, that is so true. They are working on a bigger scale. I like the first one though, while the second… I don’t know about the second one, who is joker? He lacks motivation.

    And it is looks like Batman V Superman abandoned the defining trait of Batman even more, with just more brawn than brain.

    • “And it is looks like Batman V Superman abandoned the defining trait of Batman even more, with just more brawn than brain.”

      It does? Based on what confirmed details about the script?

      • Based on absolutely nothing.

    • That was the whole point of the second movie. The joker was only as terrifying as he was, because he seemed to have no particular motivation. “Some men just want to see the world burn”

    • Motivation? Does a homicidal maniac need motivation other than an urge to do harm? Do we really need a back story every single time for everything and an in-you-face explanation for everything? Nolan`s Joker is and will be the definitive take on that character. Sure, it will be done again at some point, and then his motivation will be shoved in our faces by some other director.

      • Spot on! Ppl n their complaining..

  5. I’m sitting here in the mood to watch one of my two favorite superheroes in a live action movie and what do I have to choose from?

    For my boy Steve Rogers I have: Captain America: The First Avenger, The Avengers and (my saving grace) Captain America: The Winter Soldier. (And I guess technically like 20 seconds in Thor 2.)

    For my old friend Brucey tho, I’ve got: Batman: The Movie, Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises…. and probably a few before Adam West. Plus how many animated films and series? Mask of the Phantasm, Under the Red Hood, Dark Knight Returns. The Animated Series? Batman Beyond? Now Gotham? And Arkham Asylum!? I mean we’ve gotten 3 Catwoman’s. Two Harvey Dents. 2 Bane’s. And 3 Joker’s. Heath Ledger’s! Jack Nicholson’s! Luke Skywalker’s!? (though I was counting Cesar Romero, not Hamil.)

    Not to mention, only a year after TDKR Ben Affleck is cast to portray the next film incarnation of Bats. Now we already have teasers and footage and photos of BATMAN VERSUS freakin’ SUPERMAN!? I mean 2016 will honestly be here before we know it… Bruce Wayne is gearing up to be the new James Bond.

    You can literally take your pick of who is your “definitive” Batman: West or Keaton? Kilmer or Clooney (hah!) Christian Bale or Ben Affleck.. Kevin Conroy? (my personal favorite.) And I mean Liam Neeson as Ras Al Ghul, Jack Nicholson’s Joker, Tom Hardy’s Bane. Jim Carrey as Riddler. Danny Devito as Penguin (hah!) Michelle Pfeiffer’s and Anne Hathaway’s Leatherwomen. I mean Catwomen. And Heath Ledger? Just, perfection.

    I compare all of this with Captain America… (sigh.) I honestly can’t stomach The First Avenger after the first act. Everything about it just makes me want to hurt people. The Red Skull, the soundtrack, The Howling Commandos, Joe Johnston, the soundtrack, Sebastian Stan, the soundtrack! And, (sigh) The Avengers is cool for what it was but it wasn’t ‘all dat.’ Whedon didn’t do Chris Evans (or better yet Steve Rogers) justice. “There’s only one God ma’am and he doesn’t dress like that!” “It seems to be running on some form of electricity!” “The last time I was in Germany…” “I got that reference!” Nuff said.

    But then there’s The Winter Soldier, my saving grace. I love that film I really do. I’m proud of it ya kno? And I mean, it can’t, in any way, stand toe to toe with TDK but I love TWS just for what It accomplishes overall. The Russos and ScarJo and Mackie and Bucky and Colbie Smulders and GSP. And I guess I do have Age of Ultron to look forward to. And Cap 3′s right around the corner.

    All in all I guess we just have to be happy we have these characters at all. That we can grow up with them and care about them and can be fascinated with their stories and look forward to their multi-million dollar movies.

    We all have different tastes, sure, some people like mutant-sewer rocket-penguins, some like Joker parades, some don’t mind Michael Jai White’s acting skills or “What killed the dinosaurs?” Some prefer Katie Holmes over Maggie Ghyllenhal (though a small minority I’m sure.) Or Bruce Wayne with a butt-chin. I’m sure someone saw Affleck’s Bat-suit and was like, “Yo!…. Where are the nipples!?”
    Moral of the story? Things could be alot worse. You all could be Dragon Ball Z fans…or Lando could have been Two-Face.

    • Seriously though no Batman fans can complain. Go watch Dragon Ball Evolution.

      • You’re so money with that comment, you don’t even know how money you are!

        Seriously, Evolution, I skipped through each chapter just to hurry up and get it over with. Emmy Rossum was good for eye candy, but she was no Bulma. I’m not even gonna go into the rest of the cast. That film was worse than The Purge, and The Purge was pretty damn bad.

        I agree that The First Avenger is probably my least favorite of the MCU films, and The Avengers is now a close second least favorite. You’re right, it’s good for what it is and does, but it’s not really that great of a movie. The Widow-Loki exchange on the heli-carrier…ugh.

        Anyways, do you really, really, really love The Winter Soldier, or do you love it because its the most recent, fresh installment in the series? Time will tell if the Winter Solider holds up in the long run. I like it, but I didn’t think it was all the great after 1 viewing. I like to examine a film at home in my personal theater(ish-like room) to be able to really judge a film. In all honesty, Amazing Spiderman 2 was probably my most favorite comic book film this year, pending Thursday night at 8:40 when I go to see Guardians of the Galaxy…we’ll talk after that.

        • Haha thanks bro. I guess it was a little money =)

          But Winter Soldier, I had I guess, decent expectations going in. While I enjoyed Iron Man 3, I didn’t like Thor 2. And after the way Evans was utilized in Avengers (then his grumblings about being over acting.) Never been a fan of Sebastian Stan, since day one. And of course not to mention that ever present MCU happy-go-lucky tone, I wasn’t expecting to be blown away or anything. But I was pleasantly surprised by the film’s integrity and soul. And every one involved, the cast and crew, seemed invested in making an all around good movie.

          I truly love the entire Brubaker run on Cap. Brubaker’s hands down my favorite American comic writer, and he found a way to bring back Bucky, who hadn’t been used in 60 years, and in a plausible, creative, badass way. The Winter Soldier arc was truly awesome and I highly recommend it.

          I definitely need to rewatch Amazing Spiderman 2. I streamed it and that wasn’t the right move haha. But yes, Guardians are only a day away!

        • Honestly I lost faith in your commentary when you say ASM was your favorite comic movie this year. I tried to create a list of what was wrong with it but i would end up as one those guys ranting. Jamie Foxx’s performance was terrible. The direction and pacing seemed all over the place. I don’t even know why Paul Giamati’s Rhino was there other than to cram another character in and possibly have Sinister Six setup. So much Deus Ex Machina in the story it was ridiculous. Visually it was a cool movie but that was about it. I agree that Winter Soldier was not an epic movie but at least it played it’s tone and content consistently. I liked the Nolan Batman movies but i do agree he stripped away very realistic yet powerful traits(the detective, the great tactician, the great fighter)of batman and towards the end of the trilogy just let it all slip into terrible. I was so excited to have Bane done right….still hasn’t happend lol

          • someone said this and it just reminded me. I personally think the Keaton Batman’s were the best

    • That’s a good analysis.

      Personally, I really enjoy “Batman Forever”. I think it’s a solid film.

      • I still like Batman Forever too. But I’m pretty sure even as a kid I was rolling my eyes at Batman and Robin. Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn’t a great choice.

        • Arnold was the best thing about that movie. He was the only one who knew in what kind of a movie he was in.

  6. Nolan may have perceived the Batman character in an iconic way, but there are a variety of cinematic conveyances that can portray the Batman character in a more essential way a la Sin City-esque film noir.

  7. Poor guys.
    Keaton/Tim Burtons batfilms are so far the greatest.

    Bale, and Nolan´s films are really overestimated.

    They got right what? Batman is fiction and cant inhabitate a “real world”.. like I said once here.

    • Obvious troll is obvious

    • I think it’s a bit weird to use the word “overestimated” about movies (or similar) because it implies that there is something that can be estimated or even calculated. And there just isn’t.

  8. I too wished there was more detective stuff in the Nolan trilogy but I’m fine with the fact that he may have ditched that stuff in favor of building a detailed world/society in which a Batman could exist. It felt like the most fully developed Gotham city yet (on screen) imo

  9. Got it right huh? poor guys.

    Keaton and Tim Burton Batfilms are so far the best. for what it is Batman.
    These guys depicted the essence of Batman so perfectly is almost like a poem.

    Bale and Nolan´s films are really really overrated.

    This Nolan guy have even completely forgotten harvey dent was dead and he wanted him in the TDKR. (facepalm x13)

    • What do you mean? Harvey Dent wasn’t in TDRK.

      • “Divisive”? TDKR-Trilogy got universal praise and respect for basically every single aspect of its production, with the exception of Batman’s voice and the death of Bane. Those are the only aspects that have been truly criticized.

        Everything else has been basically praised to the heavens (and for good reasons). Of course, not everybody likes them, but nothing is liked by everyone, especially something like Batman, that has so many versions of it.

        Nolan did a masterful job portraying what most people adore about the characters and histories around them, the conflicts, relationships and dramas. They are simply amazing movies, and most people regard them that way (see the critic and moviegoers reviews, etc).

        Just because a vocal minority on the internet makes a big deal about everything they don’t like it doesn’t mean something is “divisive”.

        Just be

        • Oops, it was meant to be a new comment.

  10. “Divisive”? TDKR-Trilogy got universal praise and respect for basically every single aspect of its production, with the exception of Batman’s voice and the death of Bane. Those are the only aspects that have been truly criticized.

    Everything else has been basically praised to the heavens (and for good reasons). Of course, not everybody likes them, but nothing is liked by everyone, especially something like Batman, that has so many versions of it.

    Nolan did a masterful job portraying what most people adore about the characters and histories around them, the conflicts, relationships and dramas. They are simply amazing movies, and most people regard them that way (see the critic and moviegoers reviews, etc).

    Just because a vocal minority on the internet makes a big deal about everything they don’t like it doesn’t mean something is “divisive”.

    • So just because a majority say its great makes it great? Movies are subjective period just like any other form of art.

      I could give a rats behind if everyone on this earth thinks “X” painting is the best. If I don’t like it I don’t like it. It doesn’t mean everyone else is right and it is the best.

      It means one of two things. They think its the best or they have no thought process of their own and they are just going with what the majority says.

      Same could be said for me. I either truly dont think its the best and anyone that sides with me either thinks that also or just wants to go along.

      Much like the word “divisive” means.

      • Amazing way to miss the point, well done!

        • He actually did very well with hitting the point. Most people think the Nolan films are the best because they can’t think for themselves and judge the films for what they are, they say something is great, or bad, because everyone else says its great, or bad.

          • Wow…that’s a really big assumption and also a very terrible way to generalize a group of people.

          • The Nolan films are great because Nolan is a good director and he assembled a wonderful cast. Replace Batman with James Bond and change the character names and location and they’re still great films.

            The idea of ‘best’ is an impossible, unreal construct. Like ‘empathy.’ ‘Best’ implies that ONE person can speak for ALL people.
            I’M ‘the best’ at everything!

            But seriously to each his own. At least we can all agree that we like/love Batman. Whichever version.

            • This is the way I have always viewed his Batman films.

              I think of it as an elseworlds product enjoying it for what it was but know it has no place in the mainstream world of Batman (imo).

  11. This is like hearing an actor speak about an upcoming movie role. Of course they are not going to say it sucked.

    It made tons of money which in turn probably put money in their pockets in one form or another.

    To say Nolans Batman got it right means everything they supposedly got right in their portrayals were wrong. As most of the comic book writers followed a set of instructions with regards to this can be done this cant be done.

    I enjoyed Nolans movies but I always think he was just using the Batmans name if that makes any sense.

    However it is over and I hope it has no influence over what is to come. Because if it is successful they will have gotten it right.

    • Except it’s not upcoming. It’s actually been 2 years since the last one.

      Also, nobody asked them what they thought about these movies in particular. It was a fan who asked them which movie versions they felt had gotten it right (if any) so they had plenty of ways to answer without even bringing Nolan’s trilogy up.

      I find it sort of hillarious that people can regard their own opinions as indisputable truths so whenever somebody likes something they didn’t, they need to believe that it’s some sort of hoax or that there must be a hidden agenda.

      Why not simply accept that different people have different opinions? Your opinion is only a truth to you. Other people are perfectly capable of having another opinion without something somehow being wrong.

  12. It is a decent trilogy but imo the last one, Rises, was a total wreck. It casts a small shadow on the 1st two. I rated Rises 4 on imdb and that was because I was in a good mood.

    • Yeh 4/5 is pretty good, I also loved rises, I’ve watched it over 20 times and dont get sick of it! It is epic and banes voice is so baddass…. scare crow appearance was awesome..death! By exile haha its 2 good.

  13. I reckon Snyders Batman will hit them all out of the park, I think Affleck is going to be an amazing Batman, I liked Nolans don’t get me wrong but it was maybe just to striped down for my liking, Batman Begins was by far the best out of the three, “Rises” was a mess! I much preferred Gothem in that one as well, the others felt like it was just in any other city, and you just didn’t see enough Batman or hardly any detective work, I’ve still got huge soft spot for Tim Burtons Batman, it felt more like comic Batman, Michael Keating was an awesome Bruce Wayne as well IMO, plus the Batmobile in that was my favourite out of all the movies, anyway like I said, I think we will see proper Batman in “Dawn of Justice” God I can’t wait for that!

  14. your complaints about nolan’s batman are not valid,your a bunch of ungrateful fanboys who did’nt deserve to witness the dark knight trilogy. all of you should be locked in a room and watch batman and robin for six months, so you can appreciate the greatness of nolan

  15. There is no “right” with Batman.

    There is what is right for the times.

    Nolan’s Batman was right for it’s time like Burton’s was for that time and so it will continue.

    Nolan’s Batman was Batman as “real” as you could get it. Nolan’s Batman could not exist in a world with Superman or other heroes. His wasn’t a Batman that could do any of the myriad things that the comic version could do.

    There has yet to be a version which truly captures the kind of thing the comic has been doing for years but until you can make a regular Batman tv series with movie-like grandeur (for a reasonable price and in a reasonable timeframe) then it’s not going to happen.

  16. I agree. With Nolan’s Batman, you wouldn’t see Batman go toe to toe with villains like Poison Ivy, Mr.Freeze, Killer Croc, or Clayface. Nolan’s trilogy is only good for it’s time, not the best imo.

  17. The Dark Knight changed comic book movies forever! I mean the Oscars added more nominees the following year because of it. It changed everything and Christopher Nolan deserves a lot of the credit. He brought real gravity into a genre that was considered juvenile and not taken seriously and changed the culture.

    Everybody can have their favorites and that’s fine but keep it real, what TDK did critically and financially revolutionize the world of comic book movies for all future generations. Lets see if Snyder can add to the legacy!

    • No, TDK revolutionized how to tackle a big media icon of any kind. Not superhero movies. It gets praised for being a superhero movie, but it doesn’t try to be one. Superhero movies should not aspire to BE TDK; superhero movies should aspire to change the game of their own genre.

      TDK is quite a brilliant film, but it relies only on what Nolan has established in his universe. Nothing else. He’s not flipping through comic books going, “This has to be in there”. And I think that’s where many, including myself, find it frustrating at times to enjoy an original take on Batman that’s respectable in it’s own way when it doesn’t reflect the Batman of our childhood. It’s jarring and hard to enjoy when you’re watching it going “That’s…not the Batman I know”.

      That’s the thing: we don’t know this Batman. Nolan is telling us his story and so we need to just go with it. We can’t criticize it with something outside of his universe because it doesn’t try to be those things. This isn’t the Batman of DC Comics; it’s the Batman of Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy. You either like it or you don’t, that’s how movies work.

      I don’t believe Nolan changed Batman forever (well, maybe he did in the eyes of others in a different sense ;) ), but he did change how directors should approach their films. Do it your own way and let the criticism apply to your vision.

      • “That’s…not the Batman I know”.

        And there you have it folks the real cornerstone to all the Batman opinions and bickering.
        Who is the real Batman? Who’s version or interpretation is the real Batman? Is it Adam West? Michael Keaton? Frank Millers? Morrison’s? Snyder’s? You have your favorite look (Costume). You have your favorite writer. You have your favorite stories but the truth is in 75 yrs there has been many writers, narratives, costumes and different portrayals of the character. So who’s to say which one is the true Batman? You? Me? Some other fanboy?

        The truth is that different personalities will gravitate to their favorite version and that’s that. There is some guy out there who really believes that George Clooney is the best Batman. There is some guy that believes Adam West was the best Batman… But at the end of the day you’re going to choose the ice cream flavor YOU want whether it’s popular or not because its the flavor you like. TDK is Nolan’s version and its a great one whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, believe it or not and this goes to everybody. TDK is the Highest rated comic book movie ever and 1st comic book movie over a billion… It changed everything and will be cemented as one of the best comic book movies of all time!

        • That’s…pretty much what I just said. You took one quote out of context when I wrote 4 small paragraphs about how I respect Nolan’s Batman.

          • Actually you said several times that Nolan’s Batman has no links to “the comics” or to any Batman you know of, which Kryptonian is pointing out isn’t quite right, unless you’re just looking at your preferred version of Batman from your preferred slice of his comics mythos. Same generally applying to any of the Batman incarnations; they all have a basis somewhere, even if it’s not the basis each of us necessarily prefers or grew up with. The ones which we don’t connect with weren’t pulled out of thin air.

            • Exactly!

            • +1

    • @ Kryptoniam Knight, it sure did. It was a movie based on a superhero that went against the sterotypes of what comic book movies were in the minds of the general audience. That’s a great achievement because I believe it showed that these characters who have been around for decades can taken seriously, by that I mean they do not have to be campy, in film. Now we have a ton of comic book movies based on iconic characters that are great to watch.

  18. I don’t think I can ever accept Nolan’s (and Bale’s) Batman.

    The only positive I can take from it is the humor it provides me (and HISHE’s interpretation of it).

    My main contentions were:

    1. Too emotional (and lispy)
    2. Did not highlight his fighting skills (I wish Bats had fight scenes like Cap did in Cap 2)
    3. Did not effectively display his intellect either through detective work or tactical planning

    Of the 3 films, I felt that TDK was the best.

    • You don’t have to. There are millions like me that do so that’s OK.

  19. is it just me that wants to see tim burton do a new batman movie with todays technology ? … :/

    • I’d love for Michael Keaton to do a small Dark Knight Returns project with Tim Burton. Maybe as a direct-to-DVD type of deal.

      Do I think that will ever happen? Nope.

      • It would certainly be awesome to see Tim Burton do another Batman. But I fear they are so busy building universes that we won’t see something out-of-universe for a long time.

        Tim Burton would definately be a great choice for a true adaptation of Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns. That type of dark and twisted storytelling would be right up his alley.

        But as good as Michael Keaton was the first time, I couldn’t picture him as Frank Miller’s Batman. He needs to be a different kind of older (and bigger and meaner) bad-ass.

        Or, just to pitch something different, and as they’re probably won’t be allowed to do a Batman movie anytime soon, they could do a sort of tongue-in-cheek ‘The Misadvantures of Jack & Michael’ thing with the old cast. I have no idea what it should be about, but Tim Burton is no stranger to comedy, so I am sure he could come up with something fun, and it might be a great trip down nostalgia lane to see the cast re-united.

  20. Remind me again how this is the best batman? He wasn’t even a detective. Lucius fox and Alfred did all the detective work. Not only that. A Bat cave that Batman actually uses, Poor Fighting Style and Posture The fact that Ra’s al Ghul trained batman is complete horse $#IT the dude travled the worlded and learned many fighting styles and did a s#it ton of schooling. the list goes on…. Tim burtons batman is the best batman… DEAL WITH IT

    • Your OPINION…not everyone’s.

      DEAL WITH IT.

  21. Hm about this…I did love The Dark Knight and it’s an amazing movie in all kinds of ways. The ideas, the plot, the tricks, the shocking moments. The Joker truly and absolutely carried the film, but that’s okay – I kind of feel like Batman adventures should revolve around the villains and show how Batman has to twist and turn to counter their various dynamics. TDK did that well. I also loved how they treated Two-Face – that’s like the best “realistic” way a character like him could really happen.

    Batman Begins was good too – I haven’t seen it for a long while but I definitely want to – just hard to find it w/out a DVD. But everything I remember about it was solid, including being the last “big” Batman outfit (really can’t quite get over how scrawny Bale’s neck looks in the last 2 movies) and a truly angry, formidable, could-be-insane Batman (“DO I LOOK LIKE A COP!?”) *(and no, TDKR’s “whea’s the trigga??” is not the same deal – that’s more desperate freaking out than controlled rage)

    But The Dark Knight Rises? Yeah I have no urge by any means whatsoever to see that again. It’s something I would only watch if it’s on tv or my friends are watching it. There were only a few scenes I liked in there, and most of them were Catwoman’s scenes. I did also like the intro with Bane and would actually watch a movie just based on his mercenary activities.

    But the movie as a whole and Batman’s decrepit struggles? Sure you can call it a deep story, but it was definitely something more something fit for an improbably WWII era Rambo thing than any kind of Batman comic book movie. The biggest impression I get of TDKR is that it’s just dry. Rubber suits, ridiculous drama, deus ex machinas, more ridiculous dramas, improbable causes.

    I think it would have been so much better without Talia al Ghul, the twice-broken Bruce Wayne, and the general feeling of thinness that came from it all – just three villains, then he gets sad and shattered, then comes back just to blow himself up over the ocean to stop villains who had stupid reasons for doing the stupid things they did, and there in all its glory is the entire legacy of the Batman. I could go on more but we’re past TKDR now…but it’s just plain stupid.

  22. Batman has been my favorite comic book character since I first picked up a comic book as a child. I have always enjoyed reading, watching, and hearing the various versions/interpretations of the character. On film, I found Adam West’s campy Crusader amusing. I loved Michael Keaton’s more serious take to be cool and a great updating of the perception of the character onscreen. “The Mask of the Phantasm” showed off Conroy’s amazing animated presence. Kilmer was fine as a more suave interpretation, and even Clooney’s portrayal gave me (a few moments of) hope in an otherwise atrocious movie.

    Then, Bale’s Bruce Wayne hit the screen. As he developed himself and his nighttime identity, I realized I had found MY cinematic Batman. While I absolutely adored “Batman Begins”, I was floored by the stunning brilliance of “The Dark Knight”. Besides Bale’s wonderful Batman (yes, I even enjoyed the extreme quality of the VOICE), I experienced Ledger’s amazing Joker…MY film Joker (although I thoroughly enjoyed Nicholson’s version, earlier). When “The Dark Knight Rises” was about to release, I felt a bit apprehensive…HOW could Nolan top his previous film and his previous villain? Bane, in fact, did NOT overtake Joker for me…Hardy was fantastic as Bane, and Bane was an incredible villain, both before AND after the Talia reveal, but…Ledger’s Joker (’nuff said). The film itself, however…THAT did “rise” above its predecessor. I found it to be an excellent ending to a superb trilogy.

    Across the trilogy, I loved the various characterizations, as well as the characters introduced. I DID see plenty of detective work engaging Bruce (yes, with his allies’ aid…no problem for me). I enjoyed the fights, though I freely admit they were not as exciting as many others I have seen…they were also not quite as important to the story being told, so I didn’t mind as much as I might have for another character and/or story. The Tumbler, Batpod, and Bat were three of my favorite “Bat” vehicles in the mythology, as much for their conceptual designs as for their placements/uses in the films. The story across the trilogy was, IMO, fantastic and a great interpretation of the man and the legend.

    Now, we all await a NEW, different version of Batman and Gotham and the Batmobile and Alfred and…

    Will Affleck become my new favorite, or will Bale maintain his place at the top? I haven’t a clue. I DO, however, love what I’ve seen so far…As Batman has always believed, there is always hope…

    :D

  23. I loved the ‘darker,’ Batman movies, Mr. Nolan did them right! Now my other favorites are Mr. Keaton’s directed by Tim Burton, yes even ‘Batman Returns.’. My only concern with Zack Snyder’s ‘Batman V. Superman,’ is how many characters they cram into one movie? There’s been plenty of famous problems that have hurt a franchise, for example ‘Spider-Man 3, and Amazing Spider-Man 2.’. Batman is my favorite character in comics, and in litterature, I want him to succeed in all mediums.

    • I am thinking (hoping) it won’t be as bad as many people fear, because the movies you mention didn’t only struggle from the number of characters alone, it was also (more importantly) the story and how those characters were utilized.

      When you think about it, Nolan’s movies had just as many characters as BvS, but they made it work.

  24. Batman has been my favorite comic book character since I first picked up a comic book as a child. I have always enjoyed reading, watching, and hearing the various versions/interpretations of the character. On film, I found Adam West’s campy Crusader amusing. I loved Michael Keaton’s more serious take to be cool and a great updating of the perception of the character onscreen. “The Mask of the Phantasm” showed off Conroy’s amazing animated presence. Kilmer was fine as a more suzave interpretation, and even Clooney’s portrayal gave me (a few moments of) hope in an otherwise atrocious movie.

    Then, Bale’s Bruce Wayne hit the screen. As he developed himself and his nighttime identity, I realized I had found MY cinematic Batman. While I absolutely adored “Batman Begins”, I was floored by the stunning brilliance of “The Dark Knight”. Besides Bale’s wonderful Batman (yes, I even enjoyed the extreme quality of the VOICE), I experienced Ledger’s amazing Joker…MY film Joker (although I thoroughly enjoyed Nicholson’s version, earlier). When “The Dark Knight Rises” was about to release, I felt a bit apprehensive…HOW could Nolan top his previous film and his previous villain? Bane, in fact, did NOT overtake Joker for me…Hardy was fantastic as Bane, and Bane was an incredible villain, both before AND after the Talia reveal, but…Ledger’s Joker (’nuff said). The film itself, however…THAT did “rise” above its predecessor. I found it to be an excellent ending to a superb trilogy.

    Across the trilogy, I loved the various characterizations, as well as the characters introduced. I DID see plenty of detective work engaging Bruce (yes, with his allies’ aid…no problem for me). I enjoyed the fights, though I freely admit they were not as exciting as many others I have seen…they were also not quite as important to the story being told, so I didn’t mind as much as I might have for another character and/or story. The Tumbler, Batpod, and Bat were three of my favorite “Bat” vehicles in the mythology, as much for their conceptual designs as for their placements/uses in the films. The story across the trilogy was, IMO, fantastic and a great interpretation of the man and the legend.

    Now, we all await a NEW, different version of Batman and Gotham and the Batmobile and Alfred and…

    Will Affleck become my new favorite, or will Bale maintain his place at the top? I haven’t a clue. I DO, however, love what I’ve seen so far…As Batman has always believed, there is always hope…

    :D

  25. the Nolan films are divisive? I am pretty sure they are largely considered not just the best batman films ever, but one of the best trilogies ever made.

  26. While Nolan’s ‘version’ was preferable to the different-actor-as-Batman-every-other-movie franchise train wreck we were all treated to from the late 80′s well into the 90′s, lets be honest.
    I’ve read Batman for over 3 decades, literally spanning across 2 centuries. I think any long time Batman reader knows & understands that no Hollywood director has ever managed to achieve giving movie goers a faithful interpretation of Batman. Not even Nolan.
    These directors overseeing DC comic’s characters like to crow about striving to achieve this sense of ‘real world realism’ that they cite as their excuse to either distort & alter or (as we saw with Man Of Steel) basically demolish an iconic comic book character so far from their source material as to be beyond recognition. Taking them away from the very source of what made these characters so popular to begin with.
    I mean c’mon. Michael Keaton’s a good actor, but as Batman? NO.
    Same for Val Kilmer & God knows George Clooney was no Batman.
    Now we’re getting Ben Affleck.
    I mean how hard is it? They managed to pull it off with casting Christopher Reeves in the 70′s. That’s what was so disappointing about Man Of Steel tho’ because Henry Cavill could have been this generations Superman, but after the director deviated so far off track from the source material & practically leveled most of Metropolis in the process, it’s not even worth it now. I mean if you’re going to go for that sense of “real world realism” (especially about a guy from another planet who can fly, is invulnerable, shoots lasers from his eyes, & is faster than a speeding bullet), what person in their right mind would want Superman in their town after the ending of MOS? Who gives a crap if he was called Superman or not.
    But I digress.
    While Nolan’s vision started off promising & on the right track, it definitely ended on a sour note. Hopefully someday -eventually- a director will come along who can manage to FINALLY pull off hitting the nail on the head, but in this age where political correctness lays waste to everything it stains, I wont be holding my breath.

  27. The real tragedy is that this great panel ignored several other key writers in Batmans history, including freaking CHUCK DIXON who also happened to be at the Con! I mean seriously.

  28. To me Heath leadger’s joker was the only saving grace for the trilogy. The dark knight rises was the biggest letdown and most disappointing comic book movie I seen since x-men the last stand. Bane was one of my fav bad guys the way they portrayed him in the movie was Sacrilege.

  29. Batman: The Animated Series is the best adaptation of batman ever.

    • I agree about Batman: The Animated Series being the best adaptation of Batman to date over any film.

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